Physical with an (F)
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 25, 2009 10:28 PM PST
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I personally believe, it's Singletary's analogy, of the emotion an attitude, that is the soul of his vision.
When you are in a physical contact sport, or even a fist-fight, and you are putting everything on the line, and you are using the inner rage, you've held back, for that moment..
..it's very likely, you are going to yell something at your oppenent, that has the F-word in there somewhere, or some other foul language.
"You F@@@, I'm going to kick your A$$!" - among many other variations..
He is going to get in his players face, they either make it, or they break, and he WILL NOT play anyone! who cannot face the music, and perform.
That's my opinion anyways, how about yours?
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Maybe...
…he just wanted to distinguish himself from Olivia Newton-John?
I thought he was talking about “ph” being too fancy. The team’s O and D are not going to be cutesy and gimmicky and have unnecessary crap. It’s just going to be straight-up, smack the other team in the mouth, physical. ‘F’ is more straightforward than ‘PH.’
At least, that’s what I think it would mean if it actually meant anything.
Though to howtheyscored, and to everyone who’s been talking crap about him wanted a physical team as being nothing but PR talk and it’s obvious, think about this. There are different philosophies and types of football. There is such a thing as finese vs physical style. The Colts of the past decade and the Greatest Show on Turf, plus I guess the WCO are all finese types of football. Physical, smashmouth football differs from them. Although yes, football is physical, some teams are built to out power you, others are built to out manuever you.
You can say...
… you want a physical team without all the stereotypical motivational speak cliches. I mean in all honesty, has Singletary really said anything of use since the press conference announcing his new contract?
All you hear from him are cliches, which are fine and dandy when you finally back them up. For now, though, they’re all empty promises, so I think it’s understandable that some fans are a bit skeptical. If people don’t recall, everyone was “RAH RAH RAH NOLAN RAH RAH RAH!” when he came in and talked about playing physical, signing a physical LT, and all that. It didn’t work out too well after that, and some of it was his fault and some of it wasn’t.
A perfect example of Singletary saying a lot but not really saying anything was the whole offensive coordinator thing. I understand being tight lipped about what you’re looking for in a coordinator when you’re still looking for him. However, after Singletary chose Raye, he didn’t give any insight to why he hired Raye other than “leadership,” which is a funky cop-out. It would have made SOME sense if maybe Singletary told a story or explained why he thought Raye had it. Instead, he just leaves fans to believe that some guy who’s basically never gone beyond being a coordinator, and hasn’t been a coordinator in over a decade (I may be wrong with the length of time) has “leadership” skills?
Basically, I don’t think anyone is shooting Singletary down (I’m certainly not). I think people are somewhat skeptical of words and cliches, which is understandable considering the most recent HC was full of them. It doesn’t help that Singletary was also Nolan’s assistant, which means it’s possible that a whole lot of Nolan has rubbed off on him, too. Basically, filter out the words and just wait and see what Singletary can actually produce on the field.
I’m not talking crap about what Singletary wants, or even what he says he wants (as the two should be ideas distinct of each other).
I’m talking crap about the rampant fan interpretation of media-friendly cliche as though it were anything more than medi-friendly cliche has ever been.
I don’t expect Singletary to say anything to the media or that could get to the media that has any more substance than a Danielle Steele novel. As a player, he dealt with a media during a time before player and coach media relations were so strictly controlled by PR departments and so overinterpreted by cable channel talking heads. As a coach, he’s always been in the background, out of the way of press. He doesn’t have any training or experience with modern media relations, and the one week where he was perfectly candid (his first week), he got SLAUGHTERED for it because he doesn’t know how to be candid and benign in that way that very well-trained players and coaches are. He obviously didn’t like it because he stopped the public antics within a few days and has walked very, very gingerly with the media ever since. I expect that he’ll be that way for a long time. The guy almost needs to have canned answers right now because he has had the unpleasant experience of losing credibility for acting in a way that wasn’t canned.
In fact, if you ask me, I think that Singletary giving canned answers is a good thing. It shows that he is dedicated to learning how to navigate the modern NFL as a legitimate head coach. It shows that he does give a crap. The things he’s saying don’t mean a thing, for all the reasons that I and others have already said, but I honestly believe that the fact that he is saying them does have meaning, for the reasons that I just laid out.
What frustrates me, and what I’m spending a lot more energy than I should be attacking, is the way that people seem to be drinking up the supposed substance of his PR fluff like Daniel Day-Lewis drinks up milkshakes. He’ll say the most vague thing in the world, for instance: “I want winners” or “Physical with an F” or “We’re going to play smashmouth football!” and perfectly reasonable people who would take this stuff at face value if any other person in the world were saying them are taking these otherwise meaningless catch phrases and saturating them with layers and layers of what seem to be farther and farther reaching interpretations over time.
That’s what I’m criticizing. That’s what I’ve always been criticizing. I am NOT saying that Singletary saying “WE WANT WINNERS” is dumb. I AM saying that people following that up with “He wants winners! Of COURSE that means we’re going to be bringing in players who would bite their own fingers off before missing a block because getting the extra yard is more important than getting the extra dollar because they believe in the team and know that they have to set an example for my children so that my children know what it takes to be a good citizen and an athlete while winning and never smoking or eating badly or having sex out of wedlock!”
It gets a little parodic.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Serious..
Way too serious, not even Singletary was that serious. Singletary, is telling you the truth. He will do what he said he is going to do, otherwise he would have not taken the job to begin with. Mike Singletary has character, that reaches boundries, far beyond, any fanposter.
He has never done anything wrong. He has made some mistakes, and learned from them. He has a job to do, he will do it, and he is not worrying about the naysayers. He is not saying anything he believes is a cliche, he’ll let Jed do that. When Mike says it he means it, and he will prove it to you with his actions, not his words. When he says physical with an (F), it is NOT a cliche, and I believe in my heart, if you asked him personaally, he would tell you the truth.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
For crying out loud, I have done NOTHING but defend the man’s actions!
But I don’t see how anybody can look at the way Singletary went from dropping his pants, apologizing to the fans on the field, and rampaging in his press conferences to very calmly saying things like “leadership is important to us” and “I had no problem with Mike Martz” in two days flat after getting embarassed nationally in every media outlet with a sports section without interpreting that as him drawing back from and being careful with the media!
Yes, he seems to be a sincere guy, but I think it’s naive to believe that he’s being perfectly candid with us in his ever-increasingly more sedate pressers.
And if he doesn’t believe that the things he’s saying are cliches… if he does believe that “playing tough” and exhibit “leadership” are all you need to do to be successful, then that makes me extremely pessimistic about his coaching-intelligence and his abilities.
His performance with the media is a CREDIT to him! Not because he’s saying things that are innately unique or significant, but because he’s developing a clear understanding of how to play the game of being a successful coach.
When he was letting himself be Singletary Unleashed, he was a national joke. Doesn’t anybody remember that? The fact that he so quickly learned to handle the system in a way that in a few short months he’s gone from a national joke to a hot ticket is a CREDIT to him.
It’s NOT A BAD THING to believe that his words don’t ring with substance. I’m not saying the words are disingenuous. I’m not saying he’s lying. I’m simply questioning the way that people are pulling so much substance out of things that are otherwise remarkably – and by design, mind you – insubstantial.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason..
..he was a national joke.. in your opinion..
..in my opinion, is that most people, are not tough, most people do not overcome, their drawbacks, and handi-caps, and let it hold them back..
The ones that don;t our winners. This is a charachter trait, Mike knows it better than anyone, I can think of..
He knows the pressure is on, he’s not worries about it, he has Jimmy Raye, that will be a disciplined offense enough, to let Singletary’s defense, and character molding, do the rest.
Football, is not that hard, as far as intelligence is concerned. Sure Walsh was insanely smart, a creative thinker..but most successful HC’s in the NFL, have just adopted Walsh’s philoshphies, not created their own.
Mike won a superbowl, he saw what it took to getr his team their and win it, that is his philosphy, and ya know what it was enough to beat BIll Walsh!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Football, is not that hard, as far as intelligence is concerned.
What? That’s insane.
Mike won a superbowl, he saw what it took to getr his team their and win it,
That was over 20 years ago in an un-capped league, and he was a player. This is completely different in almost every way.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
my examples..
Intelligence.. what is Brett Farve’s IQ.
Intelligence.. what is Brett Farve’s IQ.20 years ago? .. nothings changed, expcept more rules, and more fines. and everyone, is afraid to play hurt.
Intelligence.. what is Brett Farve’s IQ.20 years ago? .. nothings changed, expcept more rules, and more fines. and everyone, is afraid to play hurt.A player: He was The Defensive Captain, and spent countless hours, around Mike Ditka, whos philosphy, yep, beat us!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
i don;t know..
what wrong with my keyboard.. sorry about the mechanicle stutter.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
You seem to be drawing a connection between the skills that it takes to be a player in the league and the skills that it takes to be a coach.
Furthermore, I have no doubt that Brett Favre is a very intelligent person. Quarterback is an always has been a generally intellectual position, and Favre has never given me any reason to believe that he’s bucking that trend.
But also, you seem to be making a connection that being intelligent 20 years ago makes you less intelligent now. Or rather, that if Brett Favre was smart enough to be a quarterback 20 years ago, that means that his intelligence which made him successful then is insufficient now. When really, the fact of intelligence is an asset that allows his knowledge of the game to grow with the game’s own growing richness of depth.
But the more important problem is still that you’re using success as a player as a qualification for believing in a guy as a coach. You did it before when you said that SIngletary has been to a Superbowl as a defense for why he will be a good coach. And you’re doing it now by defending the idea that coaching in the NFL doesn’t require a lot of intelligence by trying to cite another player example.
Coaching is a different beast.
Also, Ditka’s philosphy didn’t work when he came back to the Saints in the ’90s. It was already woefully out of date. There is no reason to believe that it is good evidence for a successful structure today.
I believe there is more to Singletary than that stuff. I think that believing otherwise is just condemning him to failure.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Condemning into failure?
I gaurantee you if, if Mike Singletary read sthose words, he would do his very best, too not even to crack a smile.
I’m not saying it doesn’t take intelligence, I’m not saying Brett Farve is dumb, (especially when it comes to football). Football, is the closest sport to the game of life.
When it comes to being a mature responsible man.. it takes common sense, courage, and will. thats it!!!
Do I need to bring up Frank Gores IQ, what is Wade Phillips IQ, anyways?
Besides, I’m gonna roll on the ground laughing, if you think Mike Singletary’s IQ, is not as high as yours, or better.
Being in the spotlight is new to him.
I’m in the spotlight all the time. I know. He didn;t take the job to be on TV.. the furthes from it. He took the job to WIN.
I won’t judge him on his press conferences. I will judge him how his team performs, not matter how qualified anyone thinks he is.
And that is exactly why Jed York made him HC.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is getting a little bizarre. Part of it was that I used a poor choice of phrasing when I said that believing there is nothing more to Singletary is condemning him to failure. Believing it would not condemn him to failure. If it is true, that would condemn him to failure. That’s poor semantics on my part.
I’m not sure why you’re so dedicated to believing that Singletary is some simplistic facade. It’s really not giving him any credit as a man or as a coach. You shouldn’t be excited by the idea that there isn’t very much to Singletary. That should scare you. That should make you nervous.
When it comes to being a mature responsible man.. it takes common sense, courage, and will. thats it!!!
But that is NOT a coaching qualification. Being a good man doesn’t make you a good coach. Bobby Knight is on the phone and he wants to physically abuse your children.
Do I need to bring up Frank Gores IQ, what is Wade Phillips IQ, anyways?
So now you’re not just using players as examples, you’re also using bad coaches? Players and bad coaches are your evidence that it doesn’t take much intelligence to be a good coach? I don’t even know where to start with the wrong thinking behind those ideas.
Besides, I’m gonna roll on the ground laughing, if you think Mike Singletary’s IQ, is not as high as yours, or better.
1: IQ is a measure of intelligence the same way that RBI is a good measure of a hitter. It’s a false – and at best fairly rough – measure of intelligence that is ridiculously skewed toward a surprisingly specific demographic. IQ is not a good measure of intelligence.
2: I never ever ever ever said that Singletary wasn’t intelligent. I don’t see I’ve gone through being the guy saying that Singletary is going to fail because of his press conferences to being the guy who is saying the Singletary is unintelligent when I never said anything remotely resembling either of the two. Repeat: I did NOT say that Singletary is unintelligent in any way. In fact, upon review, you’re the one who brought up the idea that intelligence isn’t necessary to be a successful coach as evidence that Singletary can be a good coach. Parse that out a little and you’re the one who actually called him dumb. How does that get turned around on me?
I won’t judge him on his press conferences. I will judge him how his team performs, not matter how qualified anyone thinks he is.
But I’ve spent the last god knows how many comments saying that we shouldn’t be judging him on his pressers while you’ve been defending him very specifically for the things that he has said in his pressers. This quote represents the exact opposite of what’s been going on here.
Also, I did NOT say that he’s unqualified. I said that the qualifications you seem to be citing are not legitimate.
YES, judge him on the performance of the team. NO, do not judge him on his pressers. Why am I having such a hard time being understood when I’m saying something that really boils down to something extremely similar to those two sentences?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Some sort of simplictic facade?
Bobby Knight..lol
If you think Singletary is so smart, then calling him a national joke, makes you a comlete hypocrit.
Bad coaches.. coaches can be smart, but it takes the player on the field to get it done, who is usually not on the same level.
That’s where coaching comes in!
IQ is not a good measure of intelligence..
No kidding! ..life is about common sense!
..it doesn’t matter if sing has a high IQ (which he does), he has a lot of common sense, and he knows how to coach a football team.
..and I’m saying there is no more, higher qualifaction, to coaching in the NFL, then Playing in the NFL on a Superbowl wining team that beat Bill Walsh, Joe (my fav), and the 49ers!
What other qualifications are there, besides coaching with he has done WITH Bill Walsh, it’s one of his biggest influences..
He had trhe common semse to spend as much time picking his walsh brain, that he could.
You are not judging his, pressers.. well, I’m not on the howie bandwagon, I don’t follow everything you do on NN, I just know what you said on this thread.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
If you think Singletary is so smart, then calling him a national joke, makes you a comlete hypocrit.
No it doesn’t. He was a national joke. He was the butt of almost two straight weeks of jokes that were getting national exposure. Conclusion: National joke.
He wouldn’t be the first intelligent person to be made fun of on a national stage. The two are not even remotely mutually exclusive. There is no hypocrisy here. Not even a shred of a shred.
I’m saying there is no more, higher qualifaction, to coaching in the NFL, then Playing in the NFL on a Superbowl wining team that beat Bill Walsh, Joe (my fav), and the 49ers!
You seem very intent on proving that you don’t know much about football, then. A lot of guys played on that team. Is every single one of them coaching material?
well, I’m not on the howie bandwagon, I don’t follow everything you do on NN, I just know what you said on this thread.
Okay.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
No it doesn't?
YES, it does!
If you are smart enough to know, that even though, the rest of stupid american’s.. consider him a joke.. then, you are one yourself, and a complete hypocrit!
Of course, I’m only saying the defensive captian of that team , that spent so much time with his former coach, is coaching material. You got me there. Sorry, I wasn’t more clear.
Not knowing much about football, I played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did you!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
AND!
I started MLB, and was Defensive captain!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
I did..
..not make it to college ball, I can admit it. But I do have the heart of a lion, and so does Mike Singletary, and Shaun Hill!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone..
Who can convince Mike Singletary, not to sit him, after 3, picks, erase it from his memory, and win a game, lopsided or not, has the heart of a lion.. thats what I want on the 49ers!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
If you are smart enough to know, that even though, the rest of stupid american’s.. consider him a joke.. then, you are one yourself, and a complete hypocrit!
That doesn’t make any sense.
David Letterman devoted an entire skit to making fun of Singletary.
I mean, really?
Not knowing much about football, I played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did you!
And… credibility lost. I have no respect for the “I played so I know more” argument. It’s completely fallacious and unbelievably wrong-headed.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously..
1. you never played on a football tem
2. You don’t realize, that just becuase David Letterman, is making fun of Mike Singletary, he still knows he’s smart, and it won;t be fun, when Mike Singletary reminds the 49ers of that, the next time we play each other, Eli Manning or not, that wil be the end of that, manufactured joke, you so willingly, bought into.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
1: Who cares? Having played would neither diminish nor enhance my football knowledge. Maybe I did, maybe I didn’t. It simply doesn’t matter.
2: I am NOT saying that SIngletary isn’t smart? Would you stop implying that I am? And I didn’t buy into the joke. I just said that it existed. It was nationally televised. Frankly, I thought it was poorly executed and unfunny. It was still there. You can’t invalidate the existence of something that happened. That’s absurd.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
And for the record, I’m done with this argument. I honestly don’t think you’re saying anything with value and I can’t for the life of me figure out why I’ve continued to respond for half the thread.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
B.S.!
1.IF you played football, then you wouldn’t attck Mike Singletary the way you do, I know.
2.If you think Singletary IS, samrt, then why did you even bring the joke up.
3.Bottomline: it’s got nothing to do with PR, it’s all COACHING!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA!
has anyone else sent howie to bed?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
When the disagreement is reduced to stupidity and miscommunication, the more reasonable people are the ones who leave the argument behind first.
I think Confucious said that.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
miscommunication..
.. at least we are all clear on that!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
B.S.!
1.IF you played football, then you wouldn’t attck Mike Singletary the way you do, I know.
2.If you think Singletary IS, samrt, then why did you even bring the joke up.
3.Bottomline: it’s got nothing to do with PR, it’s all COACHING!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, you've completely jumped off the deep end, to the point of ridiculousness
First, if you’re going to refer to other people as stupid (“the rest of stupid american’s”), then you should first and foremost make sure you’re properly spelling words, not including unnecessary punctuation, and properly structuring your sentences. It’s okay if you mess up like that, but you can’t refer to anyone else as stupid while improperly spelling words.
Second, you really need to go back and re-read Howie’s posts. He’s not calling Singletary stupid, nor is he saying Singletary can’t coach. If you re-read his posts, and read them objectively, you should be able to catch that. Don’t let blind rage dictate what you want to believe he’s writing here.
Third, he IS simply pointing out that Singletary was blasted and made fun of by the national media. To say that this didn’t happen is completely foolish. You couldn’t read an article for the rest of the season without some lame mention of Singletary dropping his pants. You couldn’t. It happened. This is not a false statement. The thing you fail to recognize here, seemingly because you’re letting your rage control your comprehension, is that Howtheyscored is not saying he approves of that.
Finally, I want to point out to you that far too often, people come on to boards like this, and spout off how they know all about football because they played in high school or college. There is absolutely no credibility left in these statements. If you want to prove how well you know football, then here’s your next Fanpost:
I want you to describe to me the difference between the West Coast Offense, as well as a couple offshoots of the WCO, versus a Run n’ Gun or spread formation offense. Then tell us the best way to adjust defensively to the different offensive styles.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
wco..
is alot of outs and counter runs
protect it with a cover 2
the run & gun.. Warren Moon anyone?
Cover 3 or 4..
offshoots of the wco?
the Sf 49ers..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
get back..
..to where you once belong!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Christ once said, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing.” Don’t you think there’s something to that?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I'm not gloryifying..
..anything.. and I’m not trying to..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Please make this a fanpost, so you can describe this in detail. I can tell you how I’d defend the pass in Madden, too.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
you know what..
I’ve had my wings trimmed on fan posting by fooch! So why don’t you just tell me here?
I think you have somthing decent to say, I’m not trying to offend anyone.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
so..
..now you ar capping on madden, or just his video game?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. Just… Wow. How do you interpret “I can tell you how I’d defend the pass in Madden, too.” into, “John Madden (or the franchise by EA Sports) is hella lame!”?
I know I’ve posted this recently, but I believe you and Tom Smykowski must have collaborated on this:
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
unless.. Fitzgerald..
is on the feild.. I personally, would be more about stopping the run..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
How?
How do you stop the run? What, specifically, are you doing? I don’t want generalities, I want a breakdown of X’s and O’s. Which is why I want a fanpost on this.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
How do you dtop the run?
You knock the ball carrier to the ground, I played MLB.. why do you guys think stopping the run, takes so much brain power???
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Have you even seen...
… the various blocking schemes in the NFL? Defensive players have to mind where the OL, TE, WRs, and FB are going and coming from, as their moves are all calculated.
If it were as simple as see-runner-hit-runner, they wouldn’t need defensive coordinators and position coaches.
I'm am very confident.
..Mike Singletary, is all over that!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
obvioulsy..
..if the lb’s or the line needs to make adjustments, they will..
For godsake Mike Singletary is our head caoch, I know you all wan to try to make a fool of me..
then take me playing golf I promise I suck!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
have ai ever seen..
.. no I never watch football I hate it thats why I talking to you!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
theres a guy with the ball in his hands..
..GET EM’!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a great defensive scheme!
For Pop Warner football! ZING!
But seriously, dude… You’re losing ground very very rapidly here.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
no seriously, in pop warner they do not have a clue about the cover 2!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly my point.
So the “There’s the ball carrier! Get ’im!” scheme works great. In the NFL, however, you have to actually arrange a scheme.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
That didn't really explain it.
What are you doing? What’s your assignment on the field? Are you freelancing, and thus out of position on your actual assignment? Did the If he’s running off the left tackle, but your job is to cover the other side of the field, how are you tackling him?
I’m not looking for, “I’d tackle him.” I’m looking for the specifics of how you’d arrange a scheme to best stop the runner, regardless of which direction he’s running.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
did the if he's running off left tackle?
..and you say I’m losing ground..lol!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
My bad, let me try that again...
If he’s runing off left tackle, but your job is to cover the other side of the field, how are you tackling him?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
it depends..
..are you in zone or man?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
You're the Defensive Coordinator
You tell me. Remember the original question?
I’m looking for the specifics of how you’d arrange a scheme to best stop the runner, regardless of which direction he’s running.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
You know what?
We should have Mike Singletary explain this to us at church..lol!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Josh, your point that’s in question is that you know football very well because you played football in high school. Your statement is that you know football better than people who have never played. What I’m asking for is an in-depth description of how the WCO is different from other offenses, and how specifically to best scheme against those offenses. Passing it off to Mike Singletary to explain doesn’t make your case that you know football better than Howtheyscored or any of the rest of us that haven’t played football.
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I never stated..
I know football more becuase, I played,?
I only stated, I know something because of it.
If you can do a better job then Mike Singletary, then , why didn;t you get the job?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Well I'm at a loss...
I’m having a difficult time finding where I said I can do a better job than Mike Singletary. Could you please point that out to me?
My challenge for you was to prove that your football knowledge was superior to that of Howtheyscored. So far the best you’ve come up with is, “tackle the runner to stop the run,” and “Mike Singletary and I both have the heart of a lion.” What’s made it worse is the fact that you consistently ignore what people are saying and put words in everyone’s mouth so you can create a strawman argument.
I’d honestly encourage you to go back through this thread and re-read the comments by your fellow posters. Nobody has said that Singletary can’t do his job. Nobody has even implied it. So please… Do us all a favor and go back through, but this time take your rage goggles off and read them objectively. If you think someone is saying that Singletary sucks at his job, re-read the post and try to read it more objectively.
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Sorry it took me so long..
.. I just woke up. I really don;t care about anyones superior football knowledge, unless it’s going to help the 49ers.
I don’t care how many stat sheets you’ve looked at. I am smart enough to know, that football is played by 22 people, 11 on each side, and there are only so many variables when you multiply 11 by 11, if you think your book smarts make you so tough to beat, then tell us how it helps you coach.
Please tell us about coaching. Not oh I know about x’s and o’s. You want to bring up Bellichick, when no one here could even come close, to him.
And even he would tell you, ifootball players, need to be coached, no matter how smart, the coach is?
But yeah let me know how much more you know about football anyways, since I don;t have a clue?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
What. The. Hell. What are you replying to? What are you even saying?
Josh, this is – BY FAR – the absolute dumbest post you’ve made thus far. And that’s really saying something!
I don’t care how many stat sheets you’ve looked at.
What stat sheets did I say I looked at?
if you think your book smarts make you so tough to beat, then tell us how it helps you coach.
When did I say my “book smarts make me tough to beat?” Where did I say that I could coach?
Please tell us about coaching. Not oh I know about x’s and o’s.
What the gravy does THIS mean?
You want to bring up Bellichick, when no one here could even come close, to him.
When did I mention Belichick? The correct answer to this question is, I did not. Howie mentioned him MUCH earlier, as a counter-point to one of your bizarre arguments. I did not.
But yeah let me know how much more you know about football anyways, since I don;t have a clue?
You continue to not make any sense. Josh, I’m sorry man, but I can’t continue this with you. All you’re doing is skimming people’s posts and pulling out of it whatever the hell you want to believe someone is saying. It’s ludicrous, man! Read what people are actually saying, please. Don’t create false arguments that haven’t actually been made. Do us all a favor… Put on a pot of coffee, drink it. Maybe take a shower to help wake you up. THEN read this thread again. Because you’re absolutely not making sense after having JUST woken up.
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man..
I am sorry, I don’ t respond to every response, the way you want me to.
I understand, that I focus on only certain parts of posts, and that I may have added Belichick, but you seem to be, continuin his (howie’s) argument.
I know I’m not perfect, I know, I’m not the best at football, playing or coaching, or even posting ..lol
but if you think, I’m going to worry, about some fanposter, telling me anything about football or anything else, then you are taking thios whole thing way too serious, and you need to go out and have a drink.
I’m sorry you 3 or 4 guys don’t think I have any credibility because I played, and I couldn’t dsescribe, stopping the run off left tackle, with out you even telling me if I was in a 3-4 4-3 or a 4-6, or telling me how many wide out, te, backs are in the mix.
I don;t even know how to explain that I can admit it.. I never said I could?
I’ll I said that playing helps you understand the game, because you are taking part in it.
So what if you know more about x’ and o’s then me, I know more about football then anyone else I know except maybe my cousins, that’s why I come hear, to learn, to to try to break people down and attack them.. alas most of my response have been in defense
But keep it up guys.. I have a show to play in a couple hours, but I’ll try to get that coffe in me wake up, and reply one more time before I leave..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, it’s not a matter of replying “the way I want you to.” It’s a matter of comprehending what someone else is saying, so you don’t have to create an argument for something someone else didn’t actually say. There is a huge difference.
I certainly don’t want you to leave this site upset, I’d rather you stuck around. But the one thing you need to understand is that you’ve misread the majority of what people have said, and accused everyone here of saying something they didn’t say.
So let this be your one takeaway from this whole thread: Read what people are saying. Don’t take a sentence like, “I am NOT saying that Singletary saying "WE WANT WINNERS" is dumb,” and turn it into “I am…saying that Singletary…is dumb,” then arguing that Singletary is actually smart. That’s all. Just read and post thoughtfully. Cool?
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the wco.. again
man I ‘ve been watching 49er games since 1980.. it’s a lot of out , and don;t forget about the TE..
You have to figure.. if they have a guy you need to double, or if they have a great back? are we poaying the Cards or Giants???
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
This made no sense. Can you re-type what you’re trying to say here?
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I'm, saying that..
your game plan should reflect your opponent.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
How to stop the Off tackle
It would matter whether the play went to the strong or weak side.
If its to the weak side
OLB moves up to the line of scrimmage to play Outside contain
DE stunts Left (engages with LT)
ILB contains the 5 gap
Strong Side
OLB contains 7 gap(incase of a bounce to the outside, may engage with TE)
DE stunts right(engages LT)
ILB contains 5 gap, may engage with TE)
This might be how its done
http://www.runboard.com/bsanfran49ers
Condemning into failure?
I gaurantee you if, if Mike Singletary read sthose words, he would do his very best, too not even to crack a smile.
I’m not saying it doesn’t take intelligence, I’m not saying Brett Farve is dumb, (especially when it comes to football). Football, is the closest sport to the game of life.
When it comes to being a mature responsible man.. it takes common sense, courage, and will. thats it!!!
Do I need to bring up Frank Gores IQ, what is Wade Phillips IQ, anyways?
Besides, I’m gonna roll on the ground laughing, if you think Mike Singletary’s IQ, is not as high as yours, or better.
Being in the spotlight is new to him.
I’m in the spotlight all the time. I know. He didn;t take the job to be on TV.. the furthes from it. He took the job to WIN.
I won’t judge him on his press conferences. I will judge him how his team performs, not matter how qualified anyone thinks he is.
And that is exactly why Jed York made him HC.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions
T.O.!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
ok time out..
..it’s brutal when the other teams gameplan makes you call a time out!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 26, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Don't...
…argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Beat you with experience.
Now that.. is common sense!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
In fact..
..That is exactly, physical, with an (F)!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
idiots?
you want to have an IQ battle?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions
Don't you guys get it?
I played Defense!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
The best offense..
..is a great defense
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody cares what side of the ball you lined up on when you were 9
I played both ways so you can shut up now.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 27, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
you played both ways?
Well then, you should know, that playing does, help you understand the game.
If you want to tell me to shut up, will you please do it to my face?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Besides..
sure you don’t care, and alot of people don’t care.. but there are people who care, so if you think you can wisp me away, with a silly comment like that, i’;m gong to put you to bed to.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
BTW!
what position did you play? even if it was popwarner, or some lame H.S.
At least you played, you put on pads, and went to hitting practice, that puts you on a whole different level to me, and I have the utmost respect for that.
So which position did you play, on both sides..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
SS & H-Back mostly
But also started games at OLB, CB and WR (wasn’t very big in high school) but did however play collegiate rugby at a perennial powerhouse. You wanna have a sword fight while we’re at it?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 27, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
You!
Have my utmost respect, show us a pic!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
sword fight..
lol.. took the words right out of my mouth
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
you played rugby..
at a prennial powerhouse? intriguing please tell me more..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
yo..
..hey dude I’d played rugby at a, per, per per rraa ra , ren..where was I..lol
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
real rugby players don't have teeth!
how many you got, show us that rugby gap huh?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
pics!
or you are lying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Don't worry..
..i’m scanning an old pic right now..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
That pic was taken..
at Washington high, in SF. My team won 35-3, it’s my favorite pic.
You wanna see my motocross trophies? I got those too!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Josh, no offense, man… But when you’re replying to the reply of your reply where you replied to your own reply… It’s time to give up on that thread.
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well..
..after all the arguiging, I just didn’t want anyone to think, I’m a liar.
My word means more to me than, anything thing anyone would ever write on a posting board.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
and no offense man..
..but keep it to yourself.. if you don;t like me, I really don;’t care!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Again, two replies to one comment… That’s not good.
And please refer – yet again – to the picture above of the Jump to Conclusions mat. Did I say I don’t like you? Please tell me where I said, “Josh… I don’t really… LIKE you.” Because if I didn’t say it, then you’re JUMPING to a CONCLUSION! As it is, I’ve not even implied that I don’t like you.
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oh no..
.. I think you do like me.. I’ma49er fan.. sure I am out of control, but at least I root for the 49ers every sunday!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
or somtimes monday or thursday or saturday..
..I know..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
..that put me to bed..
I have a show tonight,
goodnight all..:)
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe...
… someone is actually arguing that someone who’s actually played is guaranteed to have more football knowledge than someone who hasn’t. There are plenty of ex-players in the league, and not all of them are ex-coaches (or even current coaches).
Mike Singletary is already being knocked as someone who doesn’t know his X’s and O’s, which I would imagine is one of the biggest things you’d get out of playing (other than all the physical aspects of it). Until he shows he can sustain his moderate “success,” it is a fans right to question whether or not he is just blowing a ton of hot air. The guy is a motivator, and he’s managed to motivate everyone from the front office, the players, all the way down to the majority of fans. Mike Nolan was able to do this four years ago (and he played), and everyone knows how that’s worked out. There’s no guarantee that Singletary is going to be different.
All a fan can do is hope, and there are are varying levels of hope. Some hope blindly. Some hope with unjustified beliefs in Singletary. And some remain cautiously optimistic about the teams future. Bottom line is, people are so quick to call it a “what have you done for me lately” league with players, and the same people are willing to just hand players and coaches “respect” and “trust”? I thought those were two things you earned on the field. Singletary’s put together a great start, but he’s far from showing he’s a good coach. He’s got plenty of roadblocks up ahead to help deter that.
I can't believe arguing, that someone has played, is gauranteed to have more football knowledge..
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.How can you say playing a sport, does not help you understand it more, I don’t care if you are a doctor, that’s nonsense.
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.How can you say playing a sport, does not help you understand it more, I don’t care if you are a doctor, that’s nonsense.Being a coach.. Singletary loves to coach, went out of his way to study Bill Walsh.
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.How can you say playing a sport, does not help you understand it more, I don’t care if you are a doctor, that’s nonsense.Being a coach.. Singletary loves to coach, went out of his way to study Bill Walsh.His moderate success.. is more than we’ve had in how long?
Well.. I guess they could have wanted to coach their whole life, which would make sense of what you are saying, but that just makes Singletary’s case, even more positive.I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.How can you say playing a sport, does not help you understand it more, I don’t care if you are a doctor, that’s nonsense.Being a coach.. Singletary loves to coach, went out of his way to study Bill Walsh.His moderate success.. is more than we’ve had in how long?Roadblocks? he’s one of the best MLB ever!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
What is this? Do you need to take “discussions 101” or something? Where did I even SUGGEST that a person who’s never played has MORE ability to coach? I simply said that coaches come from everywhere. You can’t just say “well the guy played so he has to be better than the other guy.” There are different levels of play, and contrary to what you argue, the level is different.
For example, Bill Belichick couldn’t cut it as a third stringer in college, if I’m not mistaken. Does that mean that the first and second stringers, or the guys who actually played in the pros, are actually more qualified to be coaches? I’d take Bill Belichick as my head coach (if I owned a team) any day over ANY of the other coaches (head coaches OR assistants) available in the NFL.
Before you continue to argue points, could you please stop putting words into people’s posts? People following along may actually make the mistake of believing what you say they said rather than reading what they actually said.
putting words into posts?
What are you talking about, huh? impossible, get over yourself!
Just becuase, you don’t follow my train of thought, does not mean you are correct. I am sorry if you don’t understand me.. I am sure Mike Singletary would have no problem
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Uh.
Apparently you can’t even follow a post.
You said that it’s ridiculous that I am arguing that someone who’s never played has more understanding. As a matter of fact, here are your exact words:
I can’t believe that you are arguing, that someone who has NOT played, has more undersdtanding, that’s ridiculous.
I never said anything remotely close to that. That’s what I meant by you putting words into my posts. I NEVER said anything like that.
I understand we will disagree. That’s why there is discussion. However, it’s a little tough to have a discussion when the other person doesn’t seem to understand what it is you’re saying, as they are trying to slam/counter points you never made to begin with.
I did not..
say you said that.. and put it in fancy purple, I said your argument said that.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
My argument did not say that.
It says that just because you’ve played, it does not make you more knowledgeable. I’m not saying that someone who hasn’t played DEFINITELY has more understanding, as you’re arguing for someone that HAS played. I’m just saying it’s possible and that it’s wrong to write it off.
Look..
I know ther is a communication breakdown here.
What I mean. is that playing football, can only help you understand it more, if it doesn;t you suck!
Obviouslyy I got your argument wrong, as you did mine. and I forgive myself!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
slam/counter
..lol.. are you talking about your snooze button?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
If I owned the 49ers..
I would hire Mike Singletary
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
well..
I appreciate you letting me know that..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
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