The New 49ers OC: A Raye of Hope? (Part 2)
This is Part 2 of my statistical look at Jimmy Raye II. Yesterday in Part 1, I evaluated Raye's previous offenses, compared his credecntials to those of the other 49er OC candidates, compared his OC performance with that of other current OCs, and compared his credentials to those of recent 49er OCs at the time that they were hired. In Part 2, I'm going to attempt a prediction for Raye's offense in 2009. Enjoy.
BACK TO THE FUTURE
From Part 1, we can draw 4 conclusions about Jimmy Raye II:
- His previous offenses weren't as bad as some pundits and Chicken Littles seem to think, especially when you consider how relatively inefficient offenses were league-wide during those seasons.
- He compared favorably to the other OC candidates, especially after Linehan was off the table.
- He compared favorably to the more well-known OCs in recent 49er history.
- His major drawback is a tendency for offenses to regress in his first year as OC.
Given these conclusions, what can we therefore expect from the Niners' offense next season (and beyond)? This is actually a multi-faceted question. In order to answer it, we need to examine how previous OCs's stats have changed after inheriting the 49ers' offensive personnel, as well as how the 49ers' stats have changed after inheriting a new OC. Below is a table addressing the first part (Hostler, Tollner, and Norv's DAL stats are omitted again; See here for an explanation of table abbreviations):
|
OC |
TOTAL |
TRK |
TRKIMPYR1 |
WEIGHT |
WRK |
PASS |
PRK |
RUSH |
RRK |
VAR |
VRK |
|
Martz (Pre-SF) |
4.7% |
15.3 |
12 |
2.2% |
16.3 |
14.7% |
11.7 |
-9.9% |
18.3 |
7.7% |
19.7 |
|
Martz (SF) |
-14.6% |
27.0 |
5 |
-14.1% |
28.0 |
-18.5% |
29.0 |
-9.7% |
27.0 |
4.6% |
6.0 |
|
DIFFERENCE |
-19.3% |
-11.7 |
-7 |
-16.3% |
-11.7 |
-33.2% |
-17.3 |
0.2% |
-8.7 |
-3.1% |
13.7 |
|
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Turner, N. (Pre-SF) |
-2.2% |
16.3 |
11.5 |
-6.2% |
19.7 |
-2.6% |
17.3 |
-2.5% |
16.7 |
7.6% |
19.3 |
|
Turner, N. (SF) |
-7.8% |
22.0 |
10 |
-7.5% |
22.0 |
-13.9% |
26.0 |
-2.1% |
13.0 |
7.3% |
20.0 |
|
DIFFERENCE |
-5.6% |
-5.7 |
-1.5 |
-1.3% |
-2.3 |
-11.3% |
-8.7 |
0.4% |
3.7 |
-0.3% |
-0.7 |
|
|
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|
McCarthy (Pre-SF) |
-2.4% |
19.4 |
11 |
-2.1% |
17.0 |
-0.7% |
17.0 |
-4.3% |
17.8 |
6.4% |
13.8 |
|
McCarthy (SF) |
-39.8% |
32.0 |
-3 |
-38.3% |
32.0 |
-63.1% |
32.0 |
-19.8% |
30.0 |
12.4% |
29.0 |
|
DIFFERENCE |
-37.4% |
-12.6 |
-14 |
-36.2% |
-15.0 |
-62.4% |
-15.0 |
-15.5% |
-12.2 |
6.0% |
-15.2 |
|
|
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|
Average (Pre-SF) |
0.0% |
17.0 |
11.5 |
-2.0% |
17.7 |
3.8% |
15.3 |
-5.6% |
17.6 |
7.2% |
17.6 |
|
Average (SF) |
-20.7% |
27.0 |
4.0 |
-20.0% |
27.3 |
-31.8% |
29.0 |
-10.5% |
23.3 |
8.1% |
18.3 |
|
DIFFERENCE |
-20.7% |
-10.0 |
-7.5 |
-18.0% |
9.7 |
-35.6% |
13.7 |
-5.0% |
5.7 |
0.9% |
0.7 |
This table is pretty clear. An OC's patina of previous performance washes away when they arrive in Santa Clara. Given the massive hit his résumé took during the 2005 season, it must have come as a total shock to Mike McCarthy when the Packers actually showed interest in him for their head coaching position. Check out that 62.4% drop in passing efficiency! Or how about Martz seeing one of his offenses actually rank 29th in pass DVOA?
Obviously, Martz's precipitous passing decline was the result of monumental personnel differences between the 2008 49ers and the Greatest Show on Turf. But we shouldn't assume that personnel differences explain all of the discrepancy between pre-49ers and with-49ers OC performance. Here's why. McCarthy's QBs in NO were Jeff Blake, Jake Delhomme, and Aaron Brooks. Yes, that Aaron Brooks. Granted, these 3 were all better than Tim Rattay or a rookie Alex Smith, and Joe Horn was better than Brandon Lloyd, but 62.4% better??? I don't know about that. Also, Norv inherited much the same offense that McCarthy understandably abandoned, but his résumé didn't take nearly as big of a hit in 2006.
Nevertheless, I can't ignore the fact that personnel matters, and therefore, that the 49ers' offensive personnel has had a negative impact on its OCs' career DVOA stats. Now, let's examine the second part of the question: What kind of impact have post-Mooch OCs had on the 49ers' offensive performance. Here are the relevant stats, which I've broken into two tables for the sake of readability:
|
OC |
YEAR |
TOTAL |
TRK |
TRKIMP |
WEIGHT |
WRK |
WRKIMP |
VAR |
VRK |
VRKIMP |
|
Martz |
2008 |
-14.6% |
27 |
5 |
-14.1% |
28 |
4 |
4.6% |
6 |
19 |
|
Hostler |
2007 |
-30.5% |
32 |
-10 |
-27.4% |
32 |
-10 |
9.1% |
25 |
-5 |
|
Turner, N. |
2006 |
-7.8% |
22 |
10 |
-7.5% |
22 |
10 |
7.3% |
20 |
9 |
|
McCarthy |
2005 |
-39.8% |
32 |
-3 |
-38.3% |
32 |
-1 |
12.4% |
29 |
-13 |
|
Tollner |
2004 |
-22.8% |
29 |
-20 |
-25.2% |
31 |
-23 |
6.6% |
16 |
14 |
|
AVERAGE |
-23.1% |
28.4 |
-3.6 |
-22.5% |
29.0 |
-4.0 |
8.0% |
19.2 |
4.8 |
|
OC |
YEAR |
PASS |
PRK |
PRKIMP |
RUSH |
RRK |
RRKIMP |
|
Martz |
2008 |
-18.5% |
29 |
3 |
-9.7% |
27 |
-2 |
|
Hostler |
2007 |
-43.9% |
32 |
-6 |
-11.1% |
25 |
-12 |
|
Turner, N. |
2006 |
-13.9% |
26 |
6 |
-2.1% |
13 |
17 |
|
McCarthy |
2005 |
-63.1% |
32 |
-4 |
-19.8% |
30 |
2 |
|
Tollner |
2004 |
-21.3% |
28 |
-21 |
-24.6% |
32 |
-24 |
|
AVERAGE |
-32.1% |
29.4 |
-4.4 |
-13.5% |
25.4 |
-3.8 |
OK, a little bit of a tangent first. This table should effectively end any debate about whether or not Mike Martz should have been retained. The guy's 49er offense had a worse rush DVOA ranking than Jim Hostler's!!! Oh, and those Martz-Norv comparisons? Norv produced a better rushing offense and a better passing offense. In fact, the only aspect of 49er offensive DVOA that Martz improved turns out to be week-to-week, or should I say "weak-to-weak," consistency. In other words, Martz's 49er offense was consistent...consistently inefficient. Now, back to the main event...
Looking at all of the columns with "IMP" in the heading, we can see that Norv Turner was the only recent 49er OC to produce any meaningful improvement in the 49ers' offensive DVOA rankings. In light of the 2005 disaster that preceded him, these improvements are all the more impressive (e.g., the +50% change in passing DVOA). Norv's success is relevant in the current context because, as has been described elsewhere, Turner and Raye are both disciples of the 3-digit "Air Coryell" system. Indeed, their careers dovetailed in LA and WAS, and rendezvoused in OAK when Raye was Turner's OC.
BOTTOM LINE
Because Norv's success in 2006 suggests that a run-oriented, 3-digit offense best matches the 49ers' personnel, a return to this system under Raye bodes well for the 49ers' offense in 2009. How well exactly is hard to tell, especially without knowing (a) who the starting QB is, (b) who the 49ers add in free agency, (c) who they draft, and (d) how far along Jason Hill and Josh Morgan are in their path to elite WR status. Nevertheless, based on what I've presented in this article, and barring any major personnel changes and/or injuries, I'd conservatively estimate that the 49ers' offensive DVOAs will look something like -10% overall, -5% running, and -15% passing. That's not great, but it would qualify as the 2nd best offense the 49ers have had since the revolving door swung open for the first time. How's that for a Raye of hope!
**DVOA statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.
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not sure if I agree. But I will reserve final judgment based on performance. I will say this much…that is some strong analysis. As in, you should be doing this for a living analysis.
by save10 on Feb 5, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to write for FO?
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't say i'm "actively" trying...
…more like passively waiting for aaron or bill or anyone else over there to come across one of my posts. in the past, i’ve spoken with aaron before in person and via e-mail about potential analysis topics, but it’s tough because of how busy they are and how small of an operation it is. it’s not like they’re rolling in enough dough for me to “do this for a living” with them, even if i wanted to and they wanted me to. i guess i could be wrong though.
by Florida Danny on Feb 5, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck to you then
I like reading all your analysis a lot, and FO is great. They are pretty small though. I’ve been hoping to do the same thing with baseball but I haven’t been as agressive as you. I’ve been thinking I should start a blog to try to have a better forum. Its a good start to get hooked up as a writer on sbnation.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the kudos...
but even this gig kind of fell in my lap thanks to Fooch’s keen ability for blog-comment observation. :-)
in terms of starting your own blog, it’s tough because you kind of have to bring something unique to it. between FO and brian burke’s blog, i ran the risk of reinventing the wheel if i had gone that route. that’s why niners nation is a great place for me. it’s an otherwise unpopulated sports stats niche (i.e., 49er-specific sports stats), and it gives me a relatively large readership base to start out with.
one thing i did to kind of “dive in head first” was to run a home-field advantage analysis using some sophisticated stat methods, and submit it to a sports stats conference that was being held at harvard 2 years ago. luckily for me, it got accepted. that’s where i came in contact with aaron. there’s also the journal of quantitative analysis in sports, which started up around the same time as that conference. both of those require a certain level of statistical expertise to pull off, of course. regardless, though, i guess what i’m saying is, just do it. (site decorum) to the wall!
by Florida Danny on Feb 5, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for breaking it down
I think Raye will definitely make the offense better than last year.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm betting the Niners score less
Which in my simpleton way of thinking means the offense is going to get worse.
by methodrampage on Feb 5, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"simpleton"
don’t sell yourself short.
by Florida Danny on Feb 5, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't over hype me
I can’t handle the pressure of anything above less than expected.
by methodrampage on Feb 5, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simple enough so that..
It doesn’t need 2 pages of analysis to figure it out.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Feb 5, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for sitting through the 2 pages...
…and taking the time to comment. it’s appreciated.
by Florida Danny on Feb 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I commend your work...
But everything the 49ers have done in recent years on offense is by accident, not by design. Raye won’t squeeze as much juice out of this lemon than Martz did. I mean, this almost might parallel Marinelli’s firing of Martz for Colletto, and look at where they stood in League history after that.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to mix metaphors...
…i think martz was trying to fit a round lemon into a square hole. the niners’ offensive personnel didn’t match the offense he wanted to run. although martz is, obviously, a more credentialed and innovative OC, i think raye (and the offense) is going to benefit from fitting the lemon into a round hole, so to speak. the proof is in how much better norv’s offense was (esp via the run) than martz’s. good system/personnel fit = success. bad system/personnel fit = failure.
by Florida Danny on Feb 5, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one thing missing in this is...
That Turner scaled down his offense because of the anemic talent, and Turner is a better OC than Raye is. Turner is a better coach than Nolan is. The passing yardage per game in 2006 was horrid. There was no way that offense passing and scoring wise was better than Martz’s. If you take away Larry Allen, then the run game would have been at least 1.5 yards less per attempt. The 49ers since Turner have given up over 100 sacks in 2 seasons. That is where Nolan screwed himself by hiring Martz, because he was too stupid to have given that any consideration. Nolan had no clue of Martz’s offense. As much as I hate Martz, at least he put up passing numbers to give the team a shot at winning games, games like the Ram game, where they looked like crap, and the passing game saved them.
The offense, if it goes back to 2006, will regress. 2006 is kind of a mirage, and I’m gonna repost an article from Chase Stuart, from Pro Football References blog to help illustrate that:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=380
Of course, the team’s talent level has increased since then, but there are only a few key players on today’s offense that have had any experience in it. Hill hasn’t ran it. Morgan and Jason Hill never played in it. Bruce hasn’t. Johnson hasn’t. Staley and Rachal haven’t. It’s another new offense, and a new one to those players. If the 49ers think that this team is built for a scaled down version of Turner’s, and think that that offense was successful, then they really don’t know what they think they know, and again, Turner’s hiring was more luck than by design, thus the whole “it fits the team” thing is bogus, because if Davis hadn’t fired him, he would had never been with the team in the first place.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Feb 5, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, to add...
Both Hill and JTO had and great passing stats overall in 2008, and Smith’s best passer rating in 2006 is almost the same as JTO’s, less a half a season. The only real reason why anybody, including myself, would think that Martz’s offense doesn’t work is because of Martz himself, not by his design. His offense maximizes the potential of players, but his game sense kills the team. The only correlation between Martz and Raye is that they both get their Head Coaches fired after a couple of years. I’m sure if Martz could run the ball, he would, and Gore did have a good year under Martz. But the QB’s had a better year than Gore, and these guys are scrubs, along with the WR corp making big plays.
Which leads to this: Big plays vs. Grunt offense. This team showed it could make big plays. But on Grunt offense, it’s still very pedestrian. You can’t sweep things under the carpet via DVOA. There are many variables that fly in the face of DVOA, and even Football Outsiders recognizes that. Stat analysis is purely ‘is what it is’, and FO is the future of the NFL predicating value, but that’s until the NFL goes capless. You can’t just mathematically juxtapose a teams season via DVOA prior to the season at this point because of the data without considering outside variables that come up (like a Tom Brady torn ligament, and how even with a 11-5 season, they still don’t make the playoffs) to predict a sage outcome. Even if you based purely on trends, then the one true trend is that teams get worse after Martz’s exit with said team. Which means the regress outside of what DVOA can predict.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Feb 6, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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