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Niners Nation Scouting Report: Ramses Barden, WR Cal Poly

A guy that has gotten a lot of ink from you guys is Ramses Barden.  The 49ers have indicated they want to get a pair of receivers this offseason and they already landed Brandon Jones of the Titans.  Given how much time has gone by in free agency, it's a safe bet to assume the 49ers will grab a wide receiver through the draft.

Given the needs at other positions, I don't see them going high for a wide receiver, meaning no Jeremy Maclin or Percy Harvin (if they suit your tastes).  There are some quality names going in the second round, but how many of those receivers roll out at 6'6, 229 lbs?  Ramses Barden is a monster of a receiver and right now could be sitting around in the third round or later.  I think one of the reasons I'm a fan of big guys like that is there potential ability to be great red zone threats and all around jump-ball type guys.  There's no guarantee it would play out that way, but it's certainly something worth considering.

As I've never actually seen Barden play, outside of the Senior Bowl, I've had to do some research across the Internet to get an idea of what he brings to the table.  If you've seen more of him at Cal Poly, feel free to throw out your two cents.

As stated, Ramses Barden stands 6'6, 229 lbs.  For some quick measurables, Barden ran an official 4.61 40 and did 17 reps on the bench press, good for a top ten finish.  As for his college stats at Cal Poly:

Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2004 RS - - - -
2005 13 40 655 16.4 9
2006 11 42 824 19.6 5
2007 11 57 1,467 25.7 18
2008 11 67 1,257 18.8 18
Totals 46 206 4,203 20.4 50

Strengths
Obviously size is a big strength for Barden.  He's been able to utilize that size to set numerous college records.  Slightly less discussed is his hand size.  At the Senior Bowl (he was the first Cal Poly player invited in school history), his hands measured bigger than anybody else at 11 inches (I wonder what that measurement includes?).  With mitts like that, he better be able to hold onto the ball.

It sounds like he really utilizes his size to make up for a lack of separation ability.  Of course, when you're 6'6 you hopefully have the ability to out-leap the DB covering you.  Furthermore, with that kind of size, it sounds like he has no problem getting physical with defenders, and more importantly, is willing to go across the middle.  Show me a wide receiver afraid of going across the middle and I'll show you a receiver I probably don't want.

Weaknesses
The main rap against him is of course, the fact that he played in Division I-AA at Cal Poly (go Mustangs!).  This problem is two-fold.  First, it's a lower level of competition and people are often quick to discount the player's performance at that level.  It's a cliche, but it's true: At the I-AA level, Ramses Barden was a man among boys.  He broke Jerry Rice's record at any level for consecutive games with a TD catch, and also tied Randy Moss's single season record.

Guys like Randy Moss and Steve McNair spent plenty of time at the I-AA level and turned out perfectly fine.  I'm not saying that means Barden will as well, but I do not buy into the discount issue.  You have to produce against the competition in front of you and nothing more.  Barden did that.

The real issue would be what I've consistently seen lately, which is that he lacked concentration and seemed to get bored due to the lower level of competition.  It's not surprising, given how productive he became, but it's still something to keep in mind.  Is he in fact able to "turn it on" against the higher level of competition coming up in the NFL?

Another issue is his route running.  This is a guess more than anything, but I wonder how much of that is due to coming from a small school?  It wouldn't surprise me that the coaching staff might not be quite at the level of the big time programs, and a player's skills might suffer.  Any thoughts on that?

The result of all that is that his route running leaves a little something to be desired.  According to the folks at Scouts Inc, he particularly needs to work on getting in and out of breaks in routes.  Coaching can improve that, but I'd imagine there would need to be some need for discipline on the part of the player.  I mentioned the concentration issue, but that could have just as much to do with the competition level.

Looking Forward
So what does all this mean for his NFL career?  If he was getting promoted as a potential first round pick, he'd be qualified as a high risk/high return type of player.  If he doesn't go until the 3rd round or later, suddenly that risk isn't so high.  As the saying goes, you can't teach 6'6.  That kind of size, combined with relatively low financial risk means plenty of second chances if Barden doesn't make an impact right away.

Any prediction I make would be a mere guess.  I want to think he will succeed due to his size, but we don't enough about what's going on in his head at this point.  Maybe he'll be a hard worker who learns to properly run routes.  Or, maybe he's out of the league in 3 years.  Who knows.  Any thoughts on indicators of success for small school wide receivers?

This video is from this past season in a game in which Barden had 12 receptions.  The footage reminds me of either a high school game, or some of Randy Moss's games at Marshall.  Oh, and one major difference between Moss and Barden is the speed of Moss.  He had (and still has) absolutely no problems getting behind the secondary.

Resources
The Tribune News Cal Poly Sports Blog
FF Tool Box Scouting Report
Draft Countdown Scouting Report
Scouts Inc Scouting Report

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You know what they say about guys with really big hands, don't you?

(They wear really big gloves.)

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Mar 10, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HELL YEAH CAL POLY

That’s all I got. I graduated before the 2007 season started.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Grougthink:

Draft Ramses.

Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.

by BrianBokake on Mar 11, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw it to Ramses!

Ok, as a Cal Poly Alum, and one that has gone to games and actually shared a classroom with this guy, he is someone that can really make a difference. HE IS A BIG GUY. Smart dude too. They were never afraid to throw it his way. A couple years ago, he didnt get a TD catch down. The next play, he ran the same exact route and made the play. Quick guy for his size and great hands. Because he isnt in Div 1-A, it will hurt him. But look for him to make a splash in training camp with whatever team he goes to, just like Josh Morgan did.

People attended games because he made big plays. He was basically the big play play maker from the games I saw. The fan base at Cal Poly is very slim when they lose, and we never knew our own fight song. We would just cheer out the words because we could read it on the free tshirt that was on the back of the person in front of us.

Go Cal Poly, hi ki yi…or whatever it was…

by Prophecy858 on Mar 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GO MUSTANGS!!

Went to college there. Actually took 1 class with Ramses…it was an Intro to International Business class. Sort of a BS class. He didn’t talk much at all. But I approached him a few times to talk about the football team and he seemed like a nice guy AND he loved to talk about football.

I got big hopes for the guy. If he is there in the 4th, GRAB HIM.

by djfivenine on Mar 10, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beast

What a Beast! Who cares about Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss when you can have a guy at 6’6’’! I hope we get him. How do you cover a guy that big?

by iaalexeeff on Mar 10, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cracked me up to see that video

I grew up in SLO and played youth football scrimmages at halftime on that field, kinda funny to see it on this site! Anyways I would love to see the niners draft Barden, not only because I’m a mustangs fan but because I think his size would help us address an inability to finish in the end zone. Seeing as how Barden was insane against some ok I-AA teams, I was wondering how he faired against San Diego State (Mustangs have beat them two years in a row), San Jose State (bairly lost this year and two years ago when I went to the game in San Jose), and the heartbreaker against Wisconsin (yes I’m talking the BADGERS, and they only lost because their Kicker missed two PAT’s and a FG to send it to OT!) Too lazy to look up stats right now, but those games should be a better indicator of his potential against higher quality competition.

by Pearlsofwisdom on Mar 11, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems like he could be a really good player.

Best case scenario he’s the next Plax (minus the shooting himself in the leg). It would be exciting to watch him develop on the Niners for the next few years.

by Brendan Scolari on Mar 11, 2009 2:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From a Poly student

Ramses Barden is an absolute beast of a player. The past couple of seasons he is the only reason I went to games here. During his time I’ve not only seen him do his jump-ball routine in the end zone so many times (broke Rice’s consecutive games with a TD record) but also have seen him make some seemingly impossible plays like reaching around corners to make one-handed grabs while they’re tackling him (pass interference) or jumping over corners to make one-handed grabs (by that I mean he’s standing behind the corner who is in perfect position to make the interception and he simply jumps up behind them and reaches in front of their face to snatch the ball before they can even think about catching it).

A guy like this can be a quarterback’s best friend. He’s a monster of a red zone threat and he can also be a very good short yardage possession receiver. He’s one of those guys with good enough concentration that you just have the get the ball in his general vicinity and he’ll make magic happen. He’s also a very good blocker if anyone is wondering.

He broke all kinds of 1-AA records and to be quite honest, he’s much too good of a player to be stuck at a school like Poly (although he was certainly smart enough for the educational side). He accomplished all this while being used incorrectly too. One of the most frustrating things about going to Poly games was that it seemed like he wasn’t used enough and Poly relied too much on their damn triple option scheme. The catchphrase from the fanbase was always “THROW IT TO RAMSES!” and you heard someone scream it before every single play. If he was actually used to his full potential, I don’t even think we would be debating whether or not we should draft him.

It would be a dream come true and an honor to go to a 49ers game and have the chance to scream “THROW IT TO RAMSES” again, and if the Niners can pull it off I think it will definitely pay off.

by jveezy on Mar 11, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who is better? ramses barden or marko mitchell (out of nevada)

they both seem like similar players to me in terms of size?
can anyone give me a unbiased opinion of both?

by gogoldenbears on Mar 12, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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