Alex Smith
by 49ersfan29405 on Mar 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT
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According to profootballtalk.com alex smith has agreed to redue his deal today. It is around 2-3 a year for two years. I am happy it frees up some more money now onto Jonas Jennings I hope. Here is the article
At a time when one of Tom Condon’s high-profile clients is contemplating taking a salary haircut in order to stay with a California team, another high-profile Tom Condon client has opted to reduce his compensation in order to keep his job.
Per a league source, the 49ers have agreed to a new two-year deal with quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Though specific numbers are not yet available, we’re told that it’s normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package.
Our guess is that Smith will make something like $2 million to $3 million per year.
It’s not chump change, but the tables definitely have turned since Smith was the first pick, and Aaron Rodgers did the green room slide.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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i like it
i am extremely biased but i love this deal. i don’t know how all the money things work (does he still get his guaranteed money from the old deal or is this completely new and replaces the old one starting this year?).
2 years at 3 mil per sounds great. if alex hasn’t realized his talent by then, we can cut our losses. to all the haters: even he doesn’t realize his full potential, this is a solid short-term deal for a young backup with starting experience.
I agree...
Smith just needs time to learn, like any quarterback does.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Smith needs to put some fire in his heart and some fear into others...
He lacks that tenacity and that desire that you see in guys like Steve Young and Matt Hasselback (he went crazy waiting on the sidelines behind Brett Favre). I think that because he was handed the keys to the Ferrari right off the bat he took for granted what he was driving, and now is starting to realize what he lost.
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by StrictlyFootball on Mar 11, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering...
… this is coming from PFT, I think I’ll wait until Maiocco or Barrows confirms before going up the wall. I think $2M or $3M a year is still a lot for a guy who hasn’t proven he can be a capable backup, even.
I could be wrong
But $2M – $3M a year sounds to be what his guarantee money from the old contract is. I think next year he was gonna get like 9 something base and 2 or 3 in bonus. So maybe they just cut his base salary, and this contract only pays him the bonus that he is due anyways. If that’s the case, great, that money was gone anyway.
I don't think that's the case.
The guarantees from his old contract are in the teens, I thought (because of the “option” they took last year). If that’s not the case, his
His new restructured contract is a cut in base pay, as no matter what happens, they’re on the hook for his bonus money the next two seasons from the original contract. So I think it’s this new two or three million a year plus the original bonus money, so his cap figure may still be pretty close to $10M a year.
i think its commesurate with his value around the league. i dont think he would get more
or signifcantly less.
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Confirmation
I think this is a done deal due to the fact that it was posted on the official 49ers wersite.
cheers
i like it
but we don’t need jonas jennings. i was very hopeful for this guy but all he is injured the all the time.
by onexmanxshow49 on Mar 10, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
Hopefully...
… Maiocco/Barrows can pry the terms out of someone.
if it's true, good
Alex is back to square one. Sit behind the starter (Hill) for half a season or a season, and try to remake himself into the “QB of the future” for the Niners. At least, I hope that’s what they try to do.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Yeah.
I hope he isn’t pushed into the starting job unless he outright shows he’s better than Hill, in practice AND on the field.
nope
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
yep, I'm with you bro
this could all end in tears, but I say now that it’s happened we make the best of it – here’s how -
1 – two words – “trade bait”
2 – start Shaun Hill
3 – start drafting a QB every year in the draft until we find a stud – I don’t have anyone in particular in mind, but you can still find a guy with talent in rounds 3-6 – sooner or later someone better than Smith and Hill will come along
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
drafting QB's isn't like picking apples
start drafting a QB every year in the draft until we find a stud
QB’s take a ton of investment for coaches, and cost money, and cost draft picks. It’s not like we don’t have other holes to fill in the draft.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
yes, and I think we need to focus on these other holes first
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
order of operations
So you’re suggesting that 1, 2, and 3 be done in order?
The problem with putting 1 first (trade bait) is that Smith signed this renegotiated contract in good faith—other teams could’ve gotten him cheaper. So they sign him to this Niner-friendly contract—and then they trade him? Whether you like him or not, that’s cold.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
3 – start drafting a QB every year in the draft until we find a stud – I don’t have anyone in particular in mind, but you can still find a guy with talent in rounds 3-6 – sooner or later someone better than Smith and Hill will come along
This is like the dumbest idea ever. In addition to wasting a yearly draft pick on the same position for multiple seasons, you’re expecting a “diamond in the rough” to bloom immediately, out of nowhere, off the bench? The one catch about these miraculous late-round QB finds is that they take time to develop. Usually the guys run into an accidental starting role due to injuries or something and just never let go of the job.
What would have happened if the Patriots cut Tom Brady after the 2000 season?
What might have become of Tony Romo if the Cowboys ditched him after the first 3 years of his career in which he never threw a pass?
Dumb. Just dumb. I really hope you were joking.
I don't like it
I believe the niners should have let Alex go. I dont see how he can turn the franchise’s future arround. Lets start Hill.
Let him go.....
are you on crack, he doesn’t have the greatest public approval rating right now but he’s no Ryan Leaf. Basically, we have invested entirely too much money to let him go and potentially be a beast for another team.
At the very least we owe ourselves one more year to see what he’s got. We have to give hima damn target to throw too #1(Hakeem Nicks maybe) Anyways, sorry he didn’t have Bret Favre to sit behind or Tom Brady. And sorry we drafted him #1 because his completion percentage for his last 2 years in college was above 60%, oh and not to mention his record was like 21-1. Come on man give the kid a breaK. He came into the league starting for our beloved franchise that was in the shitter and he didnt have much to work with, not to mention the injuries and bum as NOLAN.
He deserves at least one more year to show us he can be the future and live up to our expectations. I obviously haven’t given up on the kid and if your a true Niner neither should you. It’s good he restructured his deal although I havent read the details. It just shows he wants his job, he wants to stay and I know he doesn’t want to be considered a failure. Hopefully he’s working his ass off in the off season and we will get some glimpses of greatness soon. In the meantime create some damn competition between him and Hill, I SAY DON’T NAME A STARTER YET, because competition can only be healthy.
Lets Focus on surrounding him with playmakers and some protection to avoid injuries and let him rip it up!!!!
I'm pulling for him as well, but...
…let’s not get caught in a sunk cost fallacy. If the 49ers FO feels that there is no other viable potential mid-season starter this year at a similar price tag, then fine, that’s a good reason. But just because they already spent so much money on Smith is not a good reason to continue spending.
At the very least we owe ourselves one more year to see what he’s got … He deserves at least one more year to show us he can be the future and live up to our expectations. I obviously haven’t given up on the kid and if your a true Niner neither should you.
1 – save in quotes
2 – rinse
3 – store in box under bed
4 – take out at the end of each season
5 – re-use at least 20 times per off-season
6 – repeat steps 1-5
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
LOL. Hey, at least we have
[rolleyes] a definition of what a true 49er fan is [/rolleyes].
Well, we're waiting....
Good point
Good point man, we invested in him, he is younger than many normal qbs at this time, and he has had injuries. Setting him up as a back up isn’t a bad idea and the 49ers don’t take a hit on the cap. Seems like this was a win-win situation because Smith has a chance to improve himself while the 49ers get to keep a back up and potential future starter if things work out, but if not they cut him in two years.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
The most interesting portion of this article...
According to John Clayton:
Other teams had shown interest in Smith, who is only 24 years old and has four years of NFL experience. Those teams were willing to pay him more than his 49ers deal, according to a source, but Smith was insistent on making something work in San Francisco.
That tells me:
1) A. Smith doesn’t feel burned by the niners. He felt he had a legitimate chance as a starter, got injured at a difficult time, and now has a chance to show the NFL world what he is made of.
2) Singletary/Scotty Mac/Someone has indicated to Smith that Hill is not the runaway starter, and he has a chance at starting again. He could have chosen a team that gave him a better chance of starting, but he chose us (then again, we could be the team with the best chance of starting, more of a theory I had)
3) Other teams wanted him?!?! Then he must be respected somewhat among other franchises. If other teams think they can turn him into something useful, why would we give him up, especially if he wants to stay here.
4) QBs are considered a major concern for the Niners. There are other QB’s on the market with NFL experience that could be cheaper (Leftwich, Grossman, Losman) but we spent the extra money on Smith. If the front office felt confident with Hill and Huard, then Smith could have been let go, or offered less so they could offer more to more pressing needs. As is the case, we now have 3 QB’s under contract, and we could be looking at getting another QB in the draft.
5) The Niners still have faith in Smith’s potential. I know this word has been a hot-button topic of debate as of late, but its the best way to sum up what Smith brings to the team. The Sing/Raye machine wants to see if the flashes of talent Smith showed while playing for the niners would fit into the offensive scheme they are planning out. Time and practices will tell…
Let the debate officially begin! Hill vs Smith – 2009!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
like the way you think PB..
see below :)
Save the thesaurus for when you are in front of the judge. When speaking of the A's, speak with your heart on...................your sleeve!
1) you mean he has ANOTHER chance to show the NFL what he’s made of – a combination of porcelain and small hands
2) the 49ers have Shaun Hill, the Lions have Daunte Culpepper, the Vikings have Sage Rosenfels, the Dolphins have Chad Pennington, the Jets have Kellen Clemens, the Buccaneers have Luke McCown – I’d rather have Hill than any of these other schmohawks
3) trade bait, trade bait, trade bait
4) I’ll even say it – Smith is better than Leftwich, Grossman or Losman (they all suck) – AND we do want at least 3 QBs, we also want some other young prospect who is not Alex Smith
5) Smith’s potential – that’s gotta be still worth some street cred to sell him to other teams right?
There’s a debate?
Alex Smith
32 games, 63.5 QB Rating, 54.4 Passing Pct, 4679 Yds, 19 TDs, 31 Int, 81 scks
Shaun Hill
13 games, 90.5 QB Rating, 64.0 Passing Pct, 2457 Yds, 18 TDs, 9 Int, 29 scks
note: if I have it right, Smith’s started all 32 of those games while Hill’s only actually started in 9 games – that and Hill’s worked with the same tools as Smith minus the always getting injured part
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Smith started most of those games without a OL that could block for him.
He not only was sacked more often but he had to scramble a lot more in the first two years. Now that we have a better OL he could actually show his stuff.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I could...
re-hash the same argument that has been going on since Smith got injured… But cliff notes will do here:
*Smith had a different OC with a different system each year. While this trend won’t be broken this season, this OC has a (seemingly) simpler game plan than others.
*Smith (apparently) played some of his games injured, being forced through the week and games by the brutal, merciless task master known as Mike Nolan (<— sarcasm)
*Smith has the potential to be a big-game QB – most football analysts (and bloggers for that matter) agree that Shaun Hill has a weak arm, and is at best only trusted as a care-taker of the offense, not the leader many people expect out of the position.
That, and Jim’s comment’s above is the debate.
Note: Personally, I’m rooting for Hill, but if Smith earns the job during the off-season, I’m more than ok with him taking the job. I just want the right QB for this system.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 10, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You'd rather have Hill than Pennington?
Pennington is a much better player.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 11, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions
wtf?
2) the 49ers have Shaun Hill, the Lions have Daunte Culpepper, the Vikings have Sage Rosenfels, the Dolphins have Chad Pennington, the Jets have Kellen Clemens, the Buccaneers have Luke McCown – I’d rather have Hill than any of these other schmohawk
Why in the world is Chad Pennington in the same sentence as the rest of these guys? He’s a Pro Bowler, a team leader and an amazing Quarterback. He’s probably the next best thing to the elites like Brady/Brees/Peyton Manning.
Not to knock on Pennington, but have you followed his career longer than this one season in Miami?
I’d put him higher than anyone else on that list, but the next best thing to the elites? I can name ten QBs I’d rather have.
JAI HO!
Pennington
His biggest issues have always been consistency and injuries, no? If it weren’t for the injuries, he would most definitely be in that second tier of QBs, and as of right now, it’s possible he’s got the injury (and maybe some of the inconsistency stuff) behind him.
Yes, I have.
He was always tremendously undervalued in New York, and he had some injuries that held him back later on.
I’m surprised you’re not defending him. He’s like a very, very rich-man’s Shaun Hill. People want to replace him because he doesn’t have an Elway-esque arm, but they have a hard time finding anyone better.
Anyway, I’ll take your challenge: name them. And I’ll proceed to disagree and explain why.
Seriously
Pennington was undervalued in NY because the New Jersey wind exacerbates the (3) problem(s) I have with him. The comparison with Hill ends when it comes to mechanics, though; Pennington passes the eyeball test and is remarkably accurate all over the field, even down the field when he has the time and space to wind himself up enough to get it there.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers.
You can nitpick individual mistakes in all of them, but I think you’d be hard-pressed for find many who would take Pennington over any of the above.
JAI HO!
It was my understanding...
… the no one compared him to the “elites,” and you said that you could name ten outside of the elites that you would take before him. In my eyes, a lot of the guys you listed are “elite.” While they’re not all the same, a lot of them are definitely 1st tier type QBs.
I can name ten QBs I’d rather have.
Anyway, I’ll take your challenge: name them. And I’ll proceed to disagree and explain why.
This.
Also, I’m not sure too many people would call Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, or Eli Manning “elites”, but I’d still take them over Pennington any day.
JAI HO!
the next best thing to the elites? I can name ten QBs I’d rather have.
Eh. I figured it was implied that we were discounting the Breeses and the Bradys, but whatever.
I’d take him over Rogers. I’d certainly take him over Eli, who in my opinion, is the most overrated QB in the NFL. Probably the most overrated player in the league, period. The guy was a bust until some random 6th string WR caught a ball that Eli threw up blindly as a prayer to the heavens.
I’d take him over Warner, too. Just as accurate, just as smart, more mobile, fumbles less, a little younger.
Roethlisberger is iffy. I think he’s overrated, too…a good example of a decent QB playing for a team with a strong line, a strong running game and a spectacular defense – finding ways to not throw games away. If there’s an edge either way, it’s on Ben’s youth and potential – but this being a hypothetical argument, I’m not sure if that plays a part in it all.
I’d take Pennington over Rivers, too. I think if you put Chad on the Chargers, surrounded him with those weapons, then San Diego might have been in the super bowl this past season. Also, Philip Rivers is an enormous douchebag. Again, not sure if that’s relevant to the conversation…but worth mentioning.
Verdict is out on Matt Ryan. He’s certainly looking like a future star, but I think it’s a bit early to call it. If it were a one-year deal, I’d take Pennington, though.
Cutler, I’ll grant you. He’s not elite, but he is amazing. And I’ve always been a big fan of him, personally.
The other 3 – Brees, P.Manning, Brady: they’re the elites, and the no-brainers.
…
Did you see the kind of season Rivers had? While LT was busy running into brick walls, Rivers carried the team.
And, seriously, you’re nitpicking now. I cannot believe you’d take Pennington over Warner, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Eli, and Manning. Wow.
JAI HO!
He's good.
A lot better than you seem to want to give him credit for.
Rivers has a tremendous supporting cast in San Diego. For every stuffed run by LT, there was a simple swing pass that Darren Sproiles turned into a 60-yard score. To say he carried the team is a bit extreme.
Like I said, Warner and Pennington are pretty similar. Minus arm strength, minus turnovers, minus age. A pretty fair trade. You don’t think Chad could have thrown for 4,000 if he had Fitz, Quan, and a pass-happy offense?
As for Eli, meh. Overrated. He’s big and tall, and he has a popular name. Apart from that, he’s an average QB, imo.
Rogers is prone to mistakes – like his predecessor, he likes to force things. Also like the man before him, he likes to dive head first into linebackers twice his size. Respectable, but stupid.
I guess I’m seeing different players than you.
I just don’t see enough out of Pennington to believe he’s that good, especially since a lot of the success of his team had to do with the Wildcat (and good coaching)
JAI HO!
Pennington is a pretty good QB
When in the right scheme and when he’s not hurt. He’s just rarely not hurt or in the right scheme, therefore he’s rarely been a pretty good QB.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
clearly
Coaching and scheme have had nothing to do with the success of Roethlisberger, Eli or Matt Ryan.
Two
That’s two more than Rogers or Cutler, one more than Brees, and just one less than Rivers and his vastly superior squad.
Anyway, a QB only has so much power over how many times his team wins a playoff game – or even how many his team has played in. Other factors, such as playing for a sh*tty team, can get in the way of this.
Rodgers has one year of starting experience, Cutler’s been let down by his horrible defense.
I’ve watched Pennington’s last two performances. Not impressed.
I’m not a “flashy” guy who looks for JaMarcus Russell arm-strength or Michael Vick-mobility. Pennington is consistent and he’s a good QB, but I definitely wouldn’t put him a step behind Manning, Brees, and Brady.
JAI HO!
Ha.
Same tools?? Really??
06
QB Alex
WR Battle, Bryant, scrub a, scrub b, Davis
OL Jennings, Allen, Heitmann, Smiley, Kwame (WTF?)
07
QB Alex
WR Jackson, Battle, Davis, scrub a, scrub b
OL Jennings, Allen, Heitmann, Smiley, .Staley (upgrade)
07
QB Hill
WR Jackson, Battle, Davis, scrubs
OL Snyder (upgrade), Baas (upgrade), Heitmann, Smiley, Staley
played the Bungles and Tampa’s 2nd stringers.
08
QB Hill
WR Isaac “#2 All-Time” Bruce (UPGRADE), Bryant Johnson (Upgrade), Morgan, Hill, Battle, Davis
OL Staley (upgrade), Baas, Heitmann, Rachal (upgrade), Snyder
Don’t you ever come on here again and say Hill didn’t have better players around him. EVAR.
by Indiana Jim on Mar 11, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he meant
The Bengals (or Bungles, as in a crappy team) followed by Tampa, with Tampa playing its second stringers.
One thing though…
07 – OL Jennings, Allen, Heitmann, Smiley, .Staley (upgrade)
07 – OL Snyder (upgrade), Baas (upgrade), Heitmann, Smiley, Staley
Bass over Allen is an upgrade? We’re talking future HOFer vs your average NFL guard. I know Allen was getting up there in years, but he was still a monster. And Snyder over a healthy Jennings? Don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of Jennings, but that’s because the man can’t stay healthy. But when Jennings was healthy and him and Allen were mauling people on the left side, Gore had a career year. So I wouldn’t call those two changes upgrades.
That year...
… Baas showed to be an upgrade over Allen. If I recall, Allen seemed to lose steam really fast that year and toward the end of the year had a tough time fulfilling his assignments (especially if he had to move). That’s why the 49ers didn’t even give it a second thought at the end of the season to let him walk.
I guess
my memory is off a little. I remember Allen and Jennings tearing people up… when Jennings was healthy. That was a long and painful season though…
2006...
…was the year the Allen/Jennings tandem tore it up, I believe. Allen was sent to the Pro Bowl and Gore had his best year to date. 2007 was a bad year for the entire O-Line, and it was when people started questioning whether or not Heitmann ever fully recovered from that freak broken leg.
Yes
it was 2006. What I meant was, I guess that’s the Larry Allen I remember and forgot about his performance dropping in 07. Like I said, 07 was a long and painful season, and the line was only a part of the problem.
Believe
I think Smith still has too much potential to drop. That said, he actually got payed 4 million per year for two years… Cross those fingers. Either way Hill should start: any less would be ignoring his results.
$4 Million a Year
That’s backup QB money but he still has his shot to turn it all round. ESPN listed his 2006 stats. 2900 yards passing with 16 touchdowns and 16 INT’s. That will keep you employed in this league.
$4M a year...
… is the remaining pro-rated amount from his original signing bonus, I believe (6-years, $24M guaranteed). He’ll still have a base salary on top of that, which if Maiocco is accurate about Shaun Hill’s contract, will pay Smith at least and extra million to million and a half a year.
I suppose that’s closer to league minimum than $9M was!
Sounds like he took less than offered else where.....
I know other offers were just rumors as he was under our control, but taking less, if true, is exactly the type of character we are looking for and need on our team. It could be that he is out to prove he wasn’t a mistake or maybe that he like the direction the franchise is going in, either way I like it. he would have made equal or better money on the market IMO.
Save the thesaurus for when you are in front of the judge. When speaking of the A's, speak with your heart on...................your sleeve!
It's more likely the former.
That he needs to prove he wasn’t a mistake. The latter is a factor, but you don’t take a big cut in salary if you feel like you’ve disappointed people and that you need to redeem yourself/prove yourself.
I agree
I think smith is upset with himself partially for being hurt, but mostly I think he just wants to show the team and the fans that he wasnt a waste of a pick. I think thats exactly what we need in a QB. Well just have to see where that gose
by football is life on Mar 10, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
and the 2 years
I like 2 year aspect as well. Here we go again with a new OC, but something feels different, more stable. I could really see him spending a year learning an offense and making us all proud in year two. Can anyone say VINDICATION?
Save the thesaurus for when you are in front of the judge. When speaking of the A's, speak with your heart on...................your sleeve!
seriously
i think that with given time smith will be worth all the years and money we spent on him. its all about how he comes back from his injury.
by football is life on Mar 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith
If Smith has been ANYTHING over the past few years, it’s that he’s been a very friendly PR face.
What do I mean by this?
Smith will always say the right things. He’ll always try to do the right things. Is this because it’s his personality, or is it what his agent is feeding him? Could be a little bit of both.
Example: the media asked him about whether or not he would have returned if Nolan was still the head coach. He gave a vague answer and completely avoided answering the question.
I think the equal or better money in the open market was at least 75% fluff from Condon himself. What team would risk punishment of talking to a player under contract when said player is and unproven commodity like Alex Smith?
Not offending Nolan
Smith wants to bury the hatchet with Nolan. Besides, Singletary likes Nolan, he’s his mentor. Don’t want to beat dead horses.
by Hella Niners on Mar 10, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being PC.
Being the potential face of the franchise (as a QB), you kind of have to know how to dodge questions and what to say and when to say it. Smith seems to have always excelled at that aspect.
Smith does indeed have good character, and I’m sure he’s blaming nobody but himself for his failure to succeed. Now that he has the contract renegotiation out of the way, once camp starts I can pretty much expect Smith to give Hill a great amout of competition, it will not surprise me one bit if Smith starts the 2009 season.
“… it will not surprise me one bit if Smith starts the 2009 season.”
This is like a nightmare I had. Just don’t know what to say about this sometimes. Have our standards fallen so low?
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Smith will have more productive practices, plus I think he will grasp the playbook quicker than Hill, I’m not trying to say that I want Smith to be the starter, I wouldn’t mind either one, as long as they are ready to be the starter.
by sundaysfinest on Mar 10, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're okay with Hill starting...
… then you’ll be okay if Smith beats out Hill.
If Smith starts, then it'll be because he beat out Hill.
Wouldn’t that mean that accepting Hill, regardless of performance, would be holding the lower standards? People don’t want to see Smith so much as they want to see improvement over Shaun Hill – and they’re just hoping that Alex can become exactly that.
If not, whatever. 2-3mil a year for a backup with starting experience isn’t so bad.
Indeed
Who’s going to anoint Smith starter if not the Niners’ coaching staff? And if you have a problem with it, who anointed you the grand overlord of the Niners’ coaching staff? Like it or not, you do not see what they see from these guys week in and week out. Maybe you’re employing certain criteria that they’re not in making your judgment, but they will always have the edge on any fan when it comes to the amount of time they’ve spent observing what they do. (Also see Indiana Jim’s post about the resources these guys have had available).
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
Thats the problem
The 49er’s staff is known to make bad decisions.
I’m not a firm believer in the excuse that Hill had a dead arm, even if he did confirm that it was true. After seeing how 2008 played out for Shaun Hill, do you think that if we started Hill the entire season we make the playoffs?
Smith has been outperformed by backups(dorsey, rattay,hill,JTO)
If Smith does have a great pre-season and does everything asked of him in practice, Shaun Hill should still be starter, Thomas Clayton is a Preseason all-star does anyone think he should get consideration as starter?
http://49ersboard.blogspot.com/
umm yes
have you seen our record the last 5 years?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 11, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
what?!?
we werent even talking about that i really hope your a girl or thats just weird
by football is life on Mar 10, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The topic clearly says “Alex Smith”. I figured it was all open for discussion.
Anyone have shirtless pics of Alex Smith?
JAI HO!
he certainly does appear to be in the process of losing his shirt in each of those pictures!
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen/heard of this guy named Brock Mansion who plays for Cal? The first time I saw his sweat-glistening pecs……ohmyword
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
my oh my
these comments are really putting the “San Fransisco” in the 49ers. (hey now!)
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
It is good that McC and Sing didn't feel that Alex Smith was dreamy. He may have been given an extra million or two a year just for that.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
He already..
..got them??
can we be done paying him, just because chicks dig him?
he should be buying us drinks!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 10, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
hey Rishi,
I just found an auction for Alex Smith’s athletic support on ebay. I know what someones getting for xmas…
I so didn't want..
..to comment on this thread, but your statement Supraman is A+++, I even went and bought his jersey, that year.. cuz I though he played better than Alex, and would be around..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 10, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i wouldnt admit that
lol
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
I would..
.. I spent my hard earned money on season tickets, at least one of the games I went to, Dorsey managed to keep it together and win the game.. he looked by far the most in control, and least scared of the 3 QB’s we had that year. So yeah, I will admit it. So did you buy an Alex Smith jersey? Can you admit it?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 10, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
get cutler
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
here we go again
this isn’t going to be pretty
by warriorfan4life on Mar 10, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions
the nightmares coming true
lol here we go again alex baby hands smith back here competeing, we couldnt hav just picked up a nice franchise Qb and had this debate over with by now, i meen yea itl b great if alex smith goes out there and lives up to what he shouldve been but then again what if we just hav another repeat of alex smith in 2006-07, there goes another season out the drain..
Really?
we couldnt hav just picked up a nice franchise Qb and had this debate over with by now
What in the 49ers recent drafting history combined with the current draft class, would convince you they can do just that?
can i nominate this guy for
co-writer? itl b great!
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
hes not gonna tell this time
he doesnt want to cry in public again.
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 11, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith
I think Alex Smith feels obligated to leave something positive about his time with the 49ers. He wants to prove to the 49ers fan that he can be a good QB because we have had so many great QBs. Whether he is even close to as good as Young or Montana he feels like he has let us down and wants to make that up. I don’t care who starts next year as long as they are the best for the 49ers.
only if
shaun hill gets injured (god forbid) or plays poorly will we give alex smith a shot to prove himself again. maybe he can be better because we are gonna be more of a run team. Lets just hope hill does good like he has for the past two years he has filled in for our QB problems GO HILL GO NINERS!
by 49ersAllTheWay on Mar 12, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions
yeah!!!!
total hill supporter here and i dont think that we should keep kicking him to second string i say leave him starter unless he gets hurt knock on wood
by football is life on Mar 13, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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