Alex Smith vs. Shaun Hill: Steel Cage Death Match 2009
Unfortunately I'm rather busy during the day this week so I didn't get a chance to weigh in on the Alex Smith contract re-structuring. We had a lively discussion yesterday (thanks 49ersfan29405 for getting the FanPost up), which is obviously not too surprising. And I think I'll stay out of the Alex Smith is dreamy, no Kyle Boller is dreamier debate. I certainly won't judge folks. The combination of that and the Dominique Zeigler fro picture made for an entertaining diversion.
I certainly don't think we need to rehash everything from yesterday, but I did want to frame the debate a little bit more around the upcoming competition. This post is sort of our reassessment of the QB depth chart (like we did with wide receivers last week). One thing to get out of the way now is that I don't anticipate much discussion of Damon Huard. After Huard was signed, some folks suggested Alex Smith be the #3 QB all year and just regroup. I don't see that happening. Damon Huard may make it onto the regular season roster, but it will be as no more than the #3 QB (barring injury).
I think the most applicable title of an article regarding the new QB competition was "Friendly competition, fresh start for 49ers' Smith," by Mike Sando. I hadn't realized this, but Shaun Hill was one of Smith's groomsman at his wedding in late February. Also, when I went to the crab cracking thing (working on getting those pictures up), one of the 49ers people there said the offensive linemen had all been at the wedding. So, fortunately there does not appear to be ill will among the various parties.
Last season we had this same situation developing. Shaun Hill had closed out 2007 in relatively solid fashion and the bandwagon was gearing up for him to start in 2008. Of course everything went to hell pretty quickly. Whether you believe it or not, J.T. O'Mulligan seemed to have the built-in advantage early in training camp and road it to the starting job. Smith, the QB of the future, went on IR and Hill languished in the background. So much for that competition.
Now, we find ourselves back at where the QB competition should have been. Smith vs. Hill, with no real third party expected to get in the way, at least in 2009. The team could certainly draft a QB (more on one option for the position later today), but I'd imagine they've learned their lesson and would let any rookie sit the entire 2009 season.
So now we may have a legitimate QB competition. Obviously plenty of folks think any QB competition involving Alex Smith and/or Shaun Hill is a joke. You're more than welcome to weigh in on that aspect of it, but for the purposes of this post I'm just going to assume they're both good enough QBs!
Hill is in an even better position heading into this competition than he was last year. Last year he had played a few good games, but it was a very small sample size against questionable competition. 2008 saw Hill play in three times as many games, put up very quality numbers and against legitimate competition no less, in several of the games.
Alex Smith is basically the riding the potential that was starting to develop in 2006 and has been stunted ever since. I'd imagine he's ecstatic about the demise and departure of Mike Nolan. In his conference call after the deal was announced (transcript after the jump), he was asked if this felt like a fresh start, particularly given the new coach and yet another new coordinator:
“It does. It does feel different. There’s definitely a different feeling around the facility with Coach Singletary here, with some of the new people he’s brought in. It’s kind of a fresh attitude. With the new contract and coming in and kind of a fresh start to compete, it is kind of refreshing in a sense. I feel like I get a chance to kind of start fresh, start over, and start again to try to become the player I know I can be.”
As we move towards this re-started QB campaign, it's a legitimately tough call as to who will win out. Even if you don't like either guy, if you accept that these two are the guys competing for the job, both bringing different things to the table. Shaun Hill has produced in games when it matters. He may be crap in practice, but when he needs to make plays, he makes plays.
Alex Smith has always been able to look good in practice, but there remains a question of what he can do on the field. Is he the QB that was a beast at Utah and has legitimate excuses for his struggles the last two years, or is he merely hiding behind those excuses? If you think about it, he's playing for yet another offensive coordinator, so what's going to make this year different than any other if he wins the starting job? Maybe the ball control Raye-Singletary offense makes things easier, but who really knows.
Last year, when Mike Nolan announced JTO as the starting QB, I ran a poll asking if he made the right decision. Most said yes, but a solid 26% said they didn't care who was starting, as long as the team won. I really don't know who will win the starting QB competition, but am just concerned about the proverbial "best man for the job." Hill is the type of blue-collar lunch pail guy that Singletary would seem to like. However, Singletary seems to be drawn to something about Smith and I don't know what it is. Any thoughts?
I could go on all day bouncing back and forth between the two. So, we've got the poll up, but also, how do you think the season plays out at QB? Does Smith win the job, but lose it to Hill strictly because of performance? Injuries are a possibility, but so unpredictable that it's not something worth analyzing in this case. So injuries aside, how might this steel cage battle to the death play out at the QB position?
RE: Why was it important for you to come back to the 49ers?
"It was definitely important to me. I really felt like I had unfinished business here. I felt like this was the team that brought me out and gave me my first chance and I really felt like I have a lot to prove here to myself, to the organization, to my teammates, to the fans, and to really become the player I set out to become when I first came out of college. I'm grateful that they gave me the opportunity to stay here and to be a part of this."
RE: I apologize for not congratulating you on the contract and also the marriage.
"Thank you very much. I appreciate it."
RE: What have the 49ers told you about the situation going into this first mini-camp as far as who's number one at quarterback, who's number two? Have they said anything, and what's your understanding of that?
"I don't know the specifics about how this first mini-camp will work out as far as who's taking snaps with who. I'm just excited they're going to give me a chance to compete for the starting job and that's it. I guess I'm not totally sure on the specifics. I'm sure they'll work themselves out as we move along, but [I'm] just excited that I'll get a chance to compete."
RE: How is your shoulder?
"It's doing well. My shoulder feels great. I don't want to put any percentages on it or anything like that, like a number, but definitely better than I felt at any time last year. I've been here working since the season ended and I feel really, really good with it. I'm excited about finally getting back to being healthy and getting out on the field and competing and not have to worry about it."
RE: How extensively did you look at your other options and what was out there?
"It was a weird situation, after the season not necessarily knowing what was going to happen with me and not really being a free agent, so a lot of it was just hearsay. Here and there, you hear different things until I really found out that the feeling was mutual that I wanted to stay here in San Francisco and that they wanted me back. A lot of it's even just kind of rumor and you hear different things so it's hard to even comment on it, but I'm thankful that I didn't have to go down that road and that the 49ers want me back and that this all worked itself out."
RE: Does this feel like a fresh start to you, particularly in light of having a different coach and, unfortunately or fortunately, a different coordinator again?
"It does. It does feel different. There's definitely a different feeling around the facility with Coach Singletary here, with some of the new people he's brought in. It's kind of a fresh attitude. With the new contract and coming in and kind of a fresh start to compete, it is kind of refreshing in a sense. I feel like I get a chance to kind of start fresh, start over, and start again to try to become the player I know I can be."
RE: What have you learned from your past experiences? We probably don't have enough time to go through it all but what themes can you touch on that maybe are lessons you've learned?
"The football side out of it, I think I'm just much more mature mentally. Not to say that I was immature, I think I've just grown up a lot as far as this business, as far as really being focused. I think I really was focused when I first came out, but I think I just have a better outlook on it mentally, a better strength about it - about what I really need to worry about and what I don't need to worry about, the things I need to focus on and what are the right things to focus on so to speak. And that's just...I really feel like I'm in a better place. My life outside of football is in a much better place. When you first come out of college and you're a student athlete, and all of a sudden you do get some money and you're a homeowner and different things and you're in a new area, a lot of the things can be distractions and I feel like I'm in a better place in that sense to just really focus on my career and set some goals for myself and really try to achieve them."
RE: Back to your shoulder, will you be able to take part in the full mini-camp and do everything asked of you? Or, will you have to do a limited role?
"I certainly hope so. I haven't really sat down with the trainers and the coaches to go over all those details. I expect to from my standpoint, but I haven't really talked to them about what's going to be best and what we're going to do. I definitely feel capable enough to go out there and make the passes I'm expected to make. We'll see, though. I guess I don't want to say anything for sure but I definitely feel good enough to go out there and do it."
RE: You've also had a chance, reportedly, to look at at least the framework of the playbook. What did you see from there and how does it compare to what you've seen in the past?
"Yeah. The coaches have kind of been on the ball here, it seems like, and gotten the playbook together in a timely manner and gotten it out to us. So, definitely some similarities obviously to the systems we've had in the past, especially with the terminology at this point going over a lot of that - the language we're going to be using for motions and formations, and the organization of the offense, so a lot of that is very similar to some of the things we've done in the past. There's obviously differences here and there but the overall sense of it is very similar to what we've done in the last couple of years."
RE: The last couple or was it the system?
"Yeah, I guess I would say more similar to the things we did with Norv [Turner], especially as far as language is concerned. But there are some similarities to things that was taken from other systems besides that but I guess I would say that that's the most similar."
RE: Have you spent any time, or much time, talking with Jimmy Raye?
"Yeah, a little bit. I've been around here. I've visited with him a little bit. Nothing major, just getting geared up for when we're going to start up here next Monday. Other than that, nothing major, but obviously I've gotten a chance to get acquainted with him a little bit and get a chance to introduce myself."
RE: Shaun Hill stepped in the last two years and played pretty darn well. Do you think that you really should be given a chance to compete for the starting job or do you think he's done enough to earn it?
"I guess I don't really know on either of those. All I do know is I am going to get a chance to compete and I'm excited about that. Shaun has played well. We're really good friends, and I think he's done a great job since he's stepped in. And I think that is obvious. The other part of that question - does he deserve to start, do I deserve a chance - I guess I don't really know. I do know that they are giving me the chance and I'm excited about that. So I'm glad it's against Shaun. He's a great guy. I can't think of a better guy to compete against so I'm excited about that. I'm excited that it's going to be...with me and him, it'll all be on the table. We won't have to worry about anything behind closed doors because we are so close. So I'm excited to compete against him."
RE: Last December when we talked to you, you talked about the fact that if you did stay with the 49ers it was going to be a bigger challenge. That it was probably harder to get a fresh start. You were going to bring some baggage into the competition. How do you feel about that now? Do you stay with trepidation or are you excited about it?
"I guess that's one of the things I referred to earlier when I said I feel like I'm in a better place. I have a better focus on things. I definitely understand that obviously. This is my fifth season, this is going to be my fifth season, which is hard to believe, but I came in here with a lot of expectations and when you're the number one pick that's kind of part of the territory so I guess I have a better focus that I'm not really going to worry about that. That's going to come and I'll handle it when it comes but until then I'm just going to work hard and work my tail off to get to where I need to be and competing. I'm not going to worry about the fans right now and what they're thinking. I'm hoping I get the chance to re-prove myself to them so I'm worrying about that right now."
RE: You think that you are in a better place. What makes you think the 49ers are in a better place than they've been in the past couple of years?
"I think it's pretty easy to see when you're around here, especially when I think back to my first couple of years and what was going on here and then the changes that have been made. From top to bottom, this organization is headed in the right direction. I definitely get that sense. I get that feeling around here, especially with Coach Singletary and some of the new things he's added, some of the new people he's brought in. I really feel like we're close, and when you look at last season and you look at what happened with Arizona, I think it's just a great example of the NFL and what can happen and the parity within this league. I think that's exciting. I really do feel like this is the best team that I've been a part of since I've been here."
RE: Can you take into account any risk on your part of signing before the draft because, who knows, they could take a quarterback tenth and suddenly it looks different. So where did that factor into your decision?
"I guess it didn't really factor in for me. Like I said, they told me I would get a chance to compete for the starting job and that's all I really wanted, all I really asked. Because I did want that chance because I knew if I could get healthy and get back out onto the field, I just wanted the chance to re-prove myself and not going to really worry about who else is out there, who they might draft. So it wasn't really a consideration of mine."
RE: A lot of athletes in your position when they're asked to restructure their contract downward, they rack out of ego and pride and maybe refuse to do it. And you, by all accounts, have done it willingly. There's no ego involved in this for you in taking a lesser contract?
"Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No, I guess I don't measure myself by my contract or what I'm making. I'm out there to play some football and having gone through what I've gone through the last couple of years and being on the sidelines, I guess I've had a chance to have a different perspective on this game and I just feel fortunate to get another chance to get back on the field. I'm tired of watching. I'm tired of being in that training room. I'm ready to get back out there. I'm thankful I've got the chance. So, no, when it came time to restructure the contract it wasn't anything that had to do with ego or how much money I was going to be making. I just wanted the chance to compete."
RE: What have you been doing throwing-wise in recent weeks, as far as just the types of throws, the lengths of throws, those sorts of things?
"I've been working with trainers since the season ended. [I've] been here rehabbing and obviously implementing into a throwing program. At first, it obviously starts with just playing catch and then you start backing up and you increase length and velocity to the point now where I try to set those guys up out there so I simulate some routes and spot-throwing, so to speak. So I try to get as much as I can done out there with them. I feel pretty good. I feel like I am where I need to be at this point. I feel like I can make quite a few of the passes that I'm asked to make. It being March now, there's no real point to stress it to the point where something could go wrong, not that that could happen, but staying within my limits. I guess I feel good. I'm out there throwing quite a few passes. I probably throw anywhere between 50 to 80 routes, depending on the day I throw, and I end up usually throwing a few days a week."
RE: Is it your understanding that this competition between you and Shaun begins in a couple of weeks with this mini-camp?
"I'm sure. I don't think there's any reason to delay it. I think it'll start from day one and obviously I think it will continue to heat up as we move towards the season. But yeah, I expect it to start right away."
RE: You talked about the fresh start. Is it safe to say that if there had not been a coaching change that you would not be back with the 49ers?
"I don't know. I've never thought about that. The coaching change happened so luckily I didn't have to go down that road. But right now, with Coach Singletary here, the decision was easy. I wanted to stay. I wanted to be a part of this. And luckily they wanted me back."
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Like I've said before,
I think Hill will be starting when the 2009 opener rolls around. As it stands right now, he’s the best guy for the job.
I just hope, for the sake of the team, that this fact changes.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
still waiting on Smith's potential...
seems like the best idea at this point. I like that both Smith and Hill will have genuine shots at competing this year, and that the playbook resembles the most successful recent offense we’ve seen out of the Niners. I voted for Hill, because him starting week 1 just seems most likely to me. But it is worth remembering that Smith was the runner-up last year working with a deeper and more ummm…unique playbook. Persiflage, Josh G and his Bandwagonites will probably argue that this is just a product of the fact that Martz didn’t like Hill’s (similarly?) unique mechanics. But you’re basically calling the judgment of the whole Niners offensive staff into question if you argue that Smith shouldn’t at least be in the competition.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 11, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted Hill right now
and agree with the comments above. Really, I just want the best QB out there whether it be Hill or Smith.
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
by 49erLou on Mar 11, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2009
I hope a deal for Jay Cutler can become a reality. Give them the number 10 pick unless Orakpo slips that far, theen I would stick with Hill.
by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Jay Cutler is a talented QB, no question. His response to this whole “almost trade” ordeal is extremely unprofessional. I don’t want a me-first guy like that on the niners. That’s why we didn’t go out and get T.O. That’s why we aren’t overpaying FA’s.
The niners probably have one of the more unified locker rooms in the league, it’s all about keeping the discipline on the field and translating that talent into some wins.
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O_o
Comparing Jay Cutler to T.O. is quite a stretch. I think the only thing they have, or will ever have, in common is that they are both really, really good at football.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have something else in common. Neither will be a 49er in 2009.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the craziest argument I’ve seen on this board.
“Who would you rather have as your QB, Sanchez or Cutler? So let’s trade our 10th pick so the Broncos can draft Sanchez and we get Cutler. Everybody wins!”
Yeah, everyone except the Broncos! I’m having a hard time figuring out why the Broncos would think that Cutler is better than Sanchez, so they’d be more than happy to make that trade.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying Cutler is T.O. Not in the least. But Cutler does seem to be making a big deal out of something that didn’t even happen.
Matt Cassell got traded after leading the Pats to 11-5 with no expectations laid on him.
Cutler has done well, but no playoffs. In fact, his team blew it in 2008, letting the chargers sneak in. A lot of this has to do with the defense of course. But Cutler has no right to assert himself as untouchable. Denver is a team with new leadership, they were just exploring options.
I don’t want a guy like that on the niners.
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Cutler is star. A pro-bowler and franchise QB.
Matt Cassell was Tom Brady’s backup.
I’d be pissed if I were Cutler, too.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m just trying to convince myself out of Jay Cutler because there is NO chance we are getting him.
We need to stop dreaming about QB’s like Warner or Cutler or Sanchez, they aren’t coming. It’s Alex and Shaun and whoever starts will be just fine.
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't just Cassel vs. Cutler
It was Cassel plus high draft picks for Culter. You also have to consider context, those additional draft picks would have been invaluable to the Broncos who are completely rebuilding.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Cutler feels burned by the Broncos because he was in comfortable standing with Shanny, had a good handle on his future, and now with the new regime he is being treated like he is expendable. Cutler sacrificed a lot, played with diabetes without knowing about it, and changed his lifestyle to be QB of the Broncoes. Now, he is trade bait?
While this shows that an ego is present, it doesn’t mean it controls him, a la T.O.
But this is all moot because of JR’s perfect insight:
They have something else in common. Neither will be a 49er in 2009.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 11, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Splling Erers Suk
Broncos
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 11, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the other hand ...
Personally, I think Vernon Davis qualifies in the “players with an attitude” category. But Mike Singletary is a coach who can keep these sorts of personalities in check. I wouldn’t worry about any players with bad attitudes because I think that’s the sort of thing Singletary is good at dealing with.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people say that about V.D.?
Didn’t he only have one sorta big “attitude problem” with Singletary in Sing’s first game? Why is Vernon now considered one of “those sorts of personalities”? He and Sing both said it wasn’t a big deal, it was resolved that day, and it’s over, and Vernon admitted he was wrong AND that it helped him? Am I missing something he did, or do people just want to label him as a troublemaker after that one little incident?
by Blank x2 on Mar 11, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people point to him saying he’s a more complete TE than guys like Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez. I don’t really remember him saying that, I recall it being more along the lines of him wanting to BE a more complete TE than those guys.
One of the biggest things that’s stopped me from being irritated by The Disease is that he did say he was wrong and that he learned from it. I respect people who can man up, and VD definitely manned up.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think several different things at once....
I think that Smith will wow the coaches with his instant grasp of the system and his renewed arm strength.
I think Shaun Hill will struggle to make all the throws that this system requires.
I think without Mike Martz “Defense does A You throw to B” system, Hill will struggle. A lot of people say he got rid of the ball quicker and saw open receivers better. This is hogwash. In the system of Mike Martz, you know what the defense is doing as soon as the ball is snapped, and then you know what to do. You throw to a spot and expect the receiver to be there. That is why Hill looked so good.
I think Singletary will go with Hill as the starter into Training Camp as he said before, but I think Smith will get the occasional starter reps just to keep Hill fresh.
I think Singletary will go with Hill as the starter into the preseason games.
I think Hill will look average, and Smith will look great.
I think Smith will be the starter on Week One.
by Indiana Jim on Mar 11, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, I almost forgot....
…and all the fans will see the preseason games and agree with Singletary’s move.
Singletary may go with Hill on Week One, and if Hill struggles Smith will start week four or five.
by Indiana Jim on Mar 11, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just using Mike Martz to explain Shaun Hill's success is too simplistic
and it doesn’t explain
1) why Martz’s system didn’t make J.T. O’Sullivan look good, but then did make Hill look good
2) 2007
Hill just didn’t get rid of the ball quicker. Hill constantly scrambled out of trouble with a collapsing offensive line, avoided getting sacked, ran with the ball for first downs, and completed the occasional long pass under pressure – something both Smith and O’Sullivan wouldn’t do/haven’t done in the exact same situations.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thin is though
Smith DID do those things in 2006. Hell, he did it some in early ’07 too (final drive of MNF opener vs. Cards anyone?)
Just Turn Overs was more like Smith in his rookie year, just no idea how to protect the ball when the defense is coming at you.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘The thin is’ kind of reads like, ’here’s the skinny.’
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I kinda like it
/banked away
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 11, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...not really.
I think without Mike Martz "Defense does A You throw to B" system, Hill will struggle. A lot of people say he got rid of the ball quicker and saw open receivers better. This is hogwash. In the system of Mike Martz, you know what the defense is doing as soon as the ball is snapped, and then you know what to do. You throw to a spot and expect the receiver to be there. That is why Hill looked so good
A bit of a gross oversimplification, I think. A couple things to remember:
A) JTO worked under the same system, and was said to have had a much better grasp of that system, and he wasn’t exactly known for getting rid of the ball quickly. In fact, one of his biggest problems was that he held onto the ball for much too long – waiting for the “big play” option that was such a big part of the Martz offense.
B) One of the things Hill was instantly praised for back in 2007, before Martz, was his ability to make quick reads and distribute the ball accordingly. His offensive line was especially vocal in praising him for this. I even remember calling this to notice in his brief stint two years ago. With the same personnel and the same system, sacks go down with Hill under center. I have to give him credit for that.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd have to agree with Kawakami's analysis of the whole thing
Tim Kawakami touches on the main issue that has bothered me about Smith for the last couple years.
“All of which is extraneous information to this: Smith is a nice guy who wants to be treated nicely and that’s why he’s coming back to the 49ers after all the terrible stuff that has happened to him in addition to his own shaky QB play. It is also further proof that Smith probably never will be a top QB, whether or not his right shoulder ever heals or he beats out Hill this summer. SMITH IS JUST NOT BOLD ENOUGH TO BE A STANDOUT NFL QB …”
Here’s basically the gist of the whole debate for me – when you compare the numbers that both Smith and Hill have put up during actual football games (not during practice), Hill deserves to be our starter in 2009, period. If Smith excells in team practices during the offseason while Hill sucks, that’s old news - it’s a wierd paradox we’ve got for some reason I know. Hill sucks in practice, and then becomes an inspiring leader & playmaker during the real game. Smith looks good in practice, and then loses all leadership ability when facing the pressure of the real game.
Honestly? I think Alex Smith’s best days are still ahead of him, I think he has the ability to cut down on his interceptions and throw for more touchdowns than he ever has in the past. But Alex Smith’s best is just not going to cut it for the 49er starting QB. We hold our QBs to high standards, and we should after having Montana and Steve Young. Shaun Hill has given us leadership and heart that we haven’t had since Steve Young. Will Hill become a star like Young? Of course not. But for right now, I believe Shaun Hill has enough to hold the position for a couple years until we find a better QB. With a improved offensive line (a hardcore RT please) and an improved defense (a hardcore safety please), I could even see Shaun Hill taking us to the playoffs.
At his best, we are still going to want a starting QB better than Alex Smith. When it comes down to it, I think that when under pressure, Shaun Hill will make plays for us that Smith would never make. After watching both these guys play, who would you rather rely on when it came down to crunch time in a playoff game?
Obvious answer – the best QB who wins the job.
My answer – the “best QB” can be defined in different ways.
(a) best QB = the QB who wins the job during offseason practice, and gets slotted in the starting spot in spite of other intangibles
OR
(b) best QB = the QB who has the best inherent ability to show us leadership, heart, and playmaking skill under the pressure of a folding offensive line, coming from behind, when it really counts, etc.
1 – Looking at offseason practice sessions – Alex Smith wins the job
2 – Looking at NFL stats – Shaun Hill wins the job
BUT, 3 – looking at those “intangibles” whatever they’re called – Shaun Hill wins the job, and to me this is the most important part – and it makes it even more fun to root for my team, I’ve had more fun watching 49ers games with Hill as our starter than I’ve had for years (including Smith’s little bright spot in some of those ’06 games)
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First, Kawakami is a blowhard.
Second, I think people are forgetting 2006 and early ’07 when thinking about Smith and just remembering his rookie season and when he tried to come back when his shoulder was still hurt.
He made some big plays/drives then, and really looked like he could be good.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people forget
how different the team is now compared to when Alex Smith was thrown to the wolves? When Smith got drafted, I’ll bet there were some college teams that could give the Niners a good game. It’s not fair to compare his early years, because the Niners were cut and dry a lot worse then than they are now.
by Blank x2 on Mar 11, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
SMITH IS JUST NOT BOLD ENOUGH TO BE A STANDOUT NFL QB
I’m pretty sure the reason Alex (allegedly) turned down other options to stay in San Francisco is because he feels he has a better chance to start here than anywhere else – where teams might pay him more money, but will pay him such to back up someone more established.
Thus, this point is stupid.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is stupid no matter what. Just like the arguments that ARod isn’t “clutch”.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
first of all, AROD can suck it
second, the point here is about personality, Smith’s personality is not the aggressive, playmaking, gut-wrenching leadership shit that we want in our starting QB
Yes, I admit that the whole “bold” or “gritty” or “inspiring leadership” thing is simply poor attempts to describe those “intangibles” that you also desperately need in your QB. Again, I don’t think Smith has them, and the best other example I can think of is Joey Harrington. Harrington had the skill, the good character/good person/work ethic thing going for him just like Smith – but his morale/comradrie/playmaking on the field was just a black hole vacuum of suck.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't start with this grinder sh*t.
We don’t want Darin Erstad at QB, thanks.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or David Eckstein
really, was Smith not “aggressive” and “playmaking” when he pretty much singlehandedly carried the team to victory in the AZ opener in ’07? What about the 3TD 4th quarter @ Sea when a blitzer coming free just bounced off of him?
I’m not saying that I want him to start game 1, actually, for a number of reasons, I don’t want him to start game 1, but to say he’s not starter material and will never be because of his lack of “gut-wrenching leadership”, whatever the (site decorum) that is, is stupid.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if you don’t believe in “intangibles” you don’t believe in them
I believe in both “stats” and “intangibles” and I think Hill wins the starting job with both.
I also believe Hill loses the starting job if the team is looking at 1) offseason practice, 2) “potential,” or 3) consensus expert opinion on the ceiling of a nondraftee
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question of intangibles
has been fairly conclusively answered. They don’t exist, at least not on any level that matters. If they did, we’d be able to see it with players/teams outperforming what the stats say their performances should be. This is very very rare over a long term, and when it does happen in a single season, it can usually be accounted for by sample size flukyness, and gets balanced out when looking at the bigger picture.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand...
… how you can advocate watching Hill “grow”, but you fail to even give a remote chance that Smith can “grow.”
It’s kind of contradictory at the very least. It’s also counter-intuitive considering the age of the two players.
I understand you don’t like Smith and you wish he were gone. He was a waste of a first round pick in your eyes and he’s now even a waste of a roster spot. I get that.
I just don’t understand how you can envision a journeyman, who up until a couple years ago never started a game in his career, can grow, but a kid who HAD shown previous strides (albeit not the sizable ones people expect out of a #1 overall pick) can’t grow anymore.
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, don’t get me wrong, I think Smith is going to get better – I already said I think his best days are ahead of him, & I’ll still root for him while he’s playing for us, but I think after 4 years (or 3 not counting ‘08) he’s shown levels of suck that are not acceptable for a 49er QB (unlike any of our past star SF QBs)
but what I don’t understand is the Alex Smith supporters don’t give Hill the respect that he’s earned -
Chris DiLeo –
“Hill has thrown some bad passes, and is still learning to eliminate mistakes. In his short career, he has thrown 18 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Keep in mind, he has only played in 12 games, so that touchdown to interception ratio is pretty good. Putting that in perspective, consider that in 16 games, Matt Ryan threw 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in his rookie 2008 campaign. Ryan is being hailed as the next great franchise quarterback, yet Hill has a better ratio. I am not attempting to diminish Ryan’s value, but I am making a case that Shaun Hill deserves a lot more respect than he has received …”
Wishing & hoping that Alex Smith will improve to become the future leader of the San Francisco franchise just depresses me. I know we can do better.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the same reason a baseball fan is happier about a 17 year old putting up a line of .263/.312/.435/.747
in A ball than a 24 year old putting up a .320/.363/.594/.957 line in AAA. Potential. Whether he’s been a starter or not, Shaun Hill has been playing professional football for 7 years. Smith had 1.75 seasons wiped out by injury, and is only 2 years older than most QBs that will be drafted this year. Also, the team he’s playing with is much improved, and I really don’t know what to say to anyone who denies that.
Shaun Hill is under absolutely no circumstances a better QB prospect than Matt Ryan. Neither is Alex Smith, but Smith is a better prospect than Hill. Note that word Prospect. He is not necessarily better right now, but he has much more potential. Why not let him sit behind Hill for most of this season and see how he does next season? What’s the harm in that? I think just about everyone here is “wishing and hoping” Smith improves enough to become the future of the franchise. Where’s the downside? Now if that wishing and hoping prevents the staff from looking at a QB in the mid-late rounds this year, or possibly the early rounds next year, it would be harmful, but I really don’t think anyone is advocating that.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill
I think that a big reasons for the perception that Hill has already hit or is close to hitting his ceiling are as follows: he’s not a spectacular QB, and he’s been overlooked by more than one team. While I completely understand that teams make mistakes (i.e. Tom Brady, Tony Romo, etc), it’s not a very common thing.
I definitely think Hill can lead the team to victories. I, for the sake of the future of the franchise, though, hope the team can find a spectacular QB, or at least someone closer to resembling one. For now, Smith seems to be the only likely candidate, as no one in this current draft class screams “I’m spectacular!”. If the 49ers draft a youngster, I’ll probably find myself rooting for both the new guy and Smith to realize their potentials.
Bottom line is, I think Hill can win. I think others will agree. Those same people probably also feel that the 49ers should in the future do a lot better than Hill. That’s all they’re asking and that’s all they’re hoping out of Smith. No one expects it from him, it’s all hope.
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Smith signed with another team, I’d still root for him. I’m hoping he does well, even if I have no idea if that will happen or not.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami’s reasoning is ridiculous. He thinks Smith isn’t tough enough to go somewhere else. I’d question his toughness if he went to another team to serve as a backup.
Smith wants to start and thinks he’s good enough to be an NFL starter. The 49ers are the only team giving him that opportunity, and now it’s up to Smith to seize this chance. If he wasn’t tough, he’d be looking to hold a clipboard somewhere else.
Read more here:
by www.westcoastbias.com on Mar 11, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this still a debate?
Smith is a backup.
Yes, I know QB rating isn’t the best evaluation out there, but let’s be honest. In 2007 under Norv Turner, when Smith was having his “breakout” season and finally looking like he would be at least a capable NFL QB, he had 16 TD, 16 INT, and a QB rating of 74.5. He was basically just BARELY better than JTO was last year.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Mar 11, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually a pretty good reason QBR sucks as a stat.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
But, stats aside, Alex Smith has basically NEVER done anything to merit being the starter for this team.
All Shaun Hill has done is win games when he plays. He’s not the flashiest, he doesn’t have a rocket arm, he’s not a HOF caliber guy or even a franchise player that you retain at all costs and build the team around. He just. Wins. Games.
Is it because of Hill? Probably not. He’s not a game changer, but that’s okay. He doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, and he’s shown that when he does make one, he’s quick to learn from it and not make the same boneheaded move or bad pass attempt or whatever it was.
The lack of faith being shown in Hill is really strange. Hey, if Singletary and Co. feel that Smith is worth keeping around and potentially becoming an NFL caliber player, by all means do it. Just don’t jerk around the guy who went 7-3 and damn near got this team into the playoffs.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Mar 11, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
in 2006
the 49ers had the worst defense in the NFL. If they’d been merely bad instead of spectacularly horrible, the niners might have gone to the playoffs.
I have seen enough out of Smith to merit taking a long look at him, and apparently the 49ers staff agrees with me.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to mikev
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the fundamental disagreement I have with most strong Hill supporters:
I don’t think Shaun hill “just. wins. games.” I think, more often than not, he does a pretty good job of not losing them for his team.
Basically, Shaun Hill = Trent Dilfer.
The Baltimore fans loved him, just as SF fans love Hill, but the argument that “Dilfer won a superbowl for his team” is absurd. The defense carried that team. A strong running game carried that team. Dilfer was basically just “there”. In this light, maybe Shaun is a good fit for a 49ers team that wants to model itself off of the same style of squad. But let’s keep from anointing a mediocre QB our savior, shall we?
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hurm, I seem to remember our trying Trent Dilfer for a while and the results were not the same as starting Shaun Hill
in fact, didn’t we start both Dilfer and Hill in 2007 with absolutely opposite results?
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading the comment would help you to figure out
that I’m talking about Trent Dilfer, 2000, Baltimore Ravens QB.
Not Trent Dilfer, 2007, old man.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my post again. Nowhere did I annoint Shaun Hill the team's savior.
Matter of fact, I specifically stated that he’s NOT the type of franchise player that the team absolutely MUST retain and build the team around.
But, there are far worse options than Hill, especially for this team – a team moving to a run first style of play, apparently – for the next several years.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Mar 12, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has a starter been named?
No, the Niners have almost gone out of their way to make it known that Hill won’t be handed the starting job. That’s why it’s still a debate.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like they are going to have a real competition
but if I were in charge, I would come out right now and say that Hill is my starter. Then I would give Smith a lot of reps as the backup with the idea that, if healthy and showing he has his 2006 form, he can possibly take over later in the season or the next year. If we’re winning games with Hill, than that’s what matters and we stick with it. If we’re losing and Hill isn’t playing well, give Smith his shot.
I worry that they will make it a real competition, and that Smith will win, because Hill is garbage in practice.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Mar 11, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to add
if Smith is day 1 starter, there will be HUGE fan expectations, and if for whatever reason, even if he has a perfect game, the niners lose opening day, there will be a big backlash. Every missed play will be overly scrutinized. It’d be much better to, actually, as the poster below mentions, follow the example set by Friday Night Lights. Let HIll start the season, then ease Smith in if he’s performing really well in practice, and perhaps make a QB switch around the bye.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
He has said that he understands Hill sucks in practice and that he will try his best to take that into account with any decisions made.
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although something else to think of:
If your QB sucks in practice (for whatever reason) it hurts all the other players on the field, especially the pass catchers.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
I know! They can run Smith in practice and Hill during games!
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll repeat myself again
What’s with everybody thinking that stuff should just be handed out? We’re talking about the starting QB position for the San Francisco 49ers not food stamps.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Friday Night Lights
What if this ends up being like Friday Night Lights? Shaun Hill (Matt Saracen) came in with considerably less gifts, but led the niners to a turnaround that turned Singletary’s interim tag into a permanent one.
However, you have the younger, supposedly more physically gifted Alex Smith (J.D. McCoy) who gives the team the best chance to win, even though you know what you are getting with Shaun Hill.
hmm, maybe this means Shaun Hill will play receiver.
I’m sorry, this doesn’t make any sense, I just like that show. haha.
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get any of this...
RB Boobie Miles got hurt, and Mike Winchell was the QB. This post does not compute. =)
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t 1988 man! haha. I read the book a long time ago. Watched the movie, watched the show. The show is interesting to say the least.
Let’s hope Frank Gore doesn’t get hurt, then it doesn’t matter who starts at QB
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s no Boobie Miles, I’m not interested in watching.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Mar 12, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s no Boobie[s] Miles, I’m not interested in watching.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
had to include this too ...
yes, I know it’s biased – but it’s also cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rae4UU7qidk
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great video
I’m gonna put that up on the front page later this afternoon when I get a chance.
by Fooch on Mar 12, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hii vs.Smith
I have to say that Hill is a trooper for standing behind that offensive line and not getting hurt. Although, he has only started 16 games, his numbers are up there with some of the better Qb’s in the league. Check Nfl stats for ‘08’. Hill may not have the image of the Mannings, Brady ,Rivers,etc but like you said, he’s a blue collar guy who wants to Win! There will be competition for QB, but practice is different than the actual game. One could look good in practice but lousy in the real games. Smith will need time to get into the the flow of things, because he’s been out of it almost 2 years.Why do the same thing to him again. By rushing him? He’s only 25 years old and has plenty of time left in his career to be the main man someday, but not for now. Your poll for starting QB show that the Fans want Hill by 72%. That’s strong! Let’s hope that Singletary mades the right decision. If Hill does perform badly, then bring in Smith. But just give him time to adjust!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 11, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on not CAPLOCKING your post
Is this a first?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
another thought -
“Although, he has only started 16 games, his numbers are up there with some of the better Qb’s in the league. Check Nfl stats for ‘08’. Hill may not have the image of the Mannings, Brady ,Rivers,etc but like you said, he’s a blue collar guy who wants to Win!”
Correction – I think Shaun Hill been allowed to start in 10 NFL games (played in 13). He’s only started 2 games in ’07, and 8 games in ’08, right?
Thought – as good as Shaun Hill has been with virtually no NFL experience, how good will Hill get with, oh say, a couple years of starting QB NFL experience?
There’s only one way to find out.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill - NFL Experience: 7 years.
Thought – as good as Shaun Hill has been with virtually no NFL experience, how good will Hill get with, oh say, a couple years of starting QB NFL experience?
Not much better.
I think this has been discussed before, and there’s a general consensus that Shaun Hill, at 29, has reached his ceiling.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the thing
Smith has a much higher ceiling, but also a lower floor. The fact is we just don’t have enough information on him. He had one horrible season, one average season, three average games, and 3? horrible games where he tried to play through an injury he shouldn’t have. (That’s when I stopped supporting Nolan) But the fact of the matter is he’s only 2.5 years older than Mark Sanchez, and a year younger than Jay Cutler. He has lots of time to improve, and I think, if proper care is taken and he’s not rushed back into action unnecessarily, he could be good.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless maybe there is a difference between sitting on the bench without seeing the light of day (2002-2006), and playing a whole season as the starting QB of an NFL team – although Hill did take a spring in ’03 I think it was, in order to get more playing experience in NFL Europe. And when he did that, he led the whole league in passing yards (and led in TDs too?)
Point being, there is NO WAY you can say that Hill has already reached his ceiling when he has never been given the chance to play a whole NFL season as the starter.
Particularly when every single time that he has been given a chance to play, he has always exceeded everyone’s expectations for him.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
but don’t bring leading the league in NFL Europe into it. There’s a good chance me, you, or anybody else reading this could probably lead NFL Europe in passing.
by Blank x2 on Mar 11, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:NFL Europe – touche
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Mar 11, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust
The coaching staff will make the right decision. I would be happy with either of them starting as long as they could do what they needed to do on the field and win some games.
I just want a season where we win games because of our QB instead of in spite of our QB.
by cassusriff on Mar 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoever is leading this team..
Wearing Red and Gold, better be tough, courageous, and a winner. Shaun Hill, has all these traits.
If I see Alex Smith, Starting, and running scared, one more time, I’m going to punch Singletary in the mouth Myself.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 11, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Career stats
My mistake! Hill has started in 13 gms, 1 with viking and 12 with niners. His career stats based on the nfl records are, 90.5Qb rating, 64 completion, 195.9y/g, 6.9y/a, 18td/9int and 4 lost fum. Not bad for a Qb coming off the bench. you gotta wonder if he can be the starting Qb from 1st game to last. I think he can and if I’m wrong then start Smith. I hate to see the same mistake twice with Smith. Like I said earlier, give him time to get up to speed.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 11, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Appeared in 13, started 10. The 1 game he appeared in for the Vikings was 2 kneeldowns.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Started 10..
..and his record is?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 11, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had some thoughts - too long for a comment
so here they are:
by foosball4949 on Mar 11, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
block of text @_@
I love how my web browser has that as an auto-fishish option for a comment title – in 3 different variations.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough Already!!!
What in the HELL does Shaun Hill have to do to prove himself? Do the heavens have to SPLIT open, ANGELS AND SAINTS play trumpets, GOD HIMSELF come down and anoint him the starting QB? He proved himself in 2007 and again in 2008 beyond the shadow of a doubt. Alex Smith is a complete waste of DNA, a pile of crap that refuses to be flushed down the toilet where he belongs! If the Niners give Smith the starting job again, I will be sorely tempted to perform voodoo and devil worship to curse Smith to oblivion! LONG LIVE SHAUN HILL, savior of the 49ers!!!!!!
by shaunisgod on Mar 11, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
sigh.
You know, you can think that Alex Smith has more potential than Shaun Hill and both A) think Hill is a better QB right now and B) not think Hill sucks.
And at the very least, Smith is a serviceable backup, earning backup $. He’s never been a BAD qb except for his horrid rookie year and when he tried to play injured.
What would you think if Smith just completely tears it up all pre-season and Hill looks like Dilfer circa 2007? Not that I’m saying that will happen, and I don’t think it will, but still, I think you might need to take a second and calm down man.
by Viliphied on Mar 11, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nahhh...
I’ve tried to stay calm for two years now, watching #11 and #14 run my beloved Niners franchise into the ground, waiting and waiting for Hill to be given the keys and told to DRIVE, baby, DRIVE! I pray to God Singletary sticks with his blue-collar, hit-em-in-the-mouth, workhorse of a QB Hill and banishes Smith to permanent bench duty BEHIND Huard. Hell, Smith ain’t even good enough to be #3!!!!
by shaunisgod on Mar 11, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
I’m a huge fan of Shaun Hill. I’d be very excited and happy if he starts. However, I don’t want Alex Smith to be a huge bust and be a total waste of time. Whoever gets the job I hope the are successful. We don’t want another season with quarterback issues.
by iaalexeeff on Mar 11, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
predictable
I see the Hill v.s. Smith competition as being pretty predictable. Hill will be the starter for 09, even if Smith does out perform him in practice. At this point, Singletary knows what to expect with Hill in games, even if he doesn’t show it in practice. He will be given the starting job this year because he has earned it from last season’s performance. However, Smith will be the QB of the future. He will become the starter and stay the starter if Hill gets injured (as long as it does not happen in the first few games), or through the QB competition next offseason.
by ninersnerd on Mar 12, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Devil +1
First off, I’d like to take credit for any heavenly karma that may be coming my way for rounding 666 total votes up to 667.
And I’d like to apply said heavenly karma towards starting Shaun Hill in ‘09-’10 just because he deserves the shot- unlike Smith, he doesn’t have three more seasons to “do it right”. This is America, where even if you show up with tattered threads and a garbage bag containing all your earthly belongings, hard work and persevereance will propel you to success and I don’t know who embodies that spirit more than Shaun Hill.
True, Alex got a bum deal by having constant turnover in coaching staff and system, and it’s also very true that the kid from Utah, in all probability, hasn’t gone anywhere. But because of all this (maybe even in spite of it), he just hasn’t earned the starting gig in real game situations.
Shaun Hill hasn’t exactly gotten the red carpet treatment in his career, either. But I know the team played better and more consistently when he was on the field, and if for nothing else than the feeling we get watching him move the chains sans helmet, deserves the chance to leave his mark on this franchise before Prince Alex returns to claim his rightful throne.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Mar 13, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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