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2009 Niners Nation Mock Draft version 2.0

After a little back and forth, we've gotten 2009 Niners Nation Mock Draft 2.0 underway (here are the 1.0 results).  It'll take some time to get the whole thing through, but we've gotten through the 49ers pick so far, which obviously is the important one.  For the picks so far, I've listed the top 9 plus the 49ers.  The analysis for picks 1-9 is after the jump.  Also, big thanks to NinerFaninOhio and HailState77 for stepping up and handling extra picks for absent folks.

1. Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford
2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry
4. Seattle Seahawks - B.J. Raji
5. Cleveland Browns - Michael Crabtree
6. Cincinnati Bengals - Eugene Monroe
7. Oakland Raiders - Jeremy Maclin
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Oher
9. Green Bay Packers - Everette Brown

10. San Francisco 49ers (illini49er)
With the 10th overall pick, the San Francisco 49ers select Brian Orakpo, OLB, Texas

With Everette Brown gone, the next best pass rusher is Orakpo. The weakest part of the 49er defense last year, and arguably the past few years has been the inability of the defense to get off the field after 3rd down. The lack of a pass rush has been the primary culprit. Orakpo has the ability to get after the QB, and force the opposing punter to earn his paycheck. If any of the top 3 OTs had fallen this far, it might have been tempting, but Andre Smith seems like an awfully big gamble character wise to use the 10th pick on. Jenkins as a FS is tempting too, but the need for a pass rusher is too much.

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1. Detroit Lions (HailState77)
With the 1st overall pick, the Detroit Lions select Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

I hated to pick a player that in my opinion is NOT the best player on the board; especially for a team that has more holes to fill than the NY Transportation Department.  Also when they inquired about Cutler after the whole trade scandal in Denver, I think it showed that the Lions MGMT were not and still aren't 100% sold on Stafford.  But who can be... hoping and begging Stafford turns into the Ryans and the Flaccos of last year is a dream that is most likely NOT going to happen.  (we shouldn't compare the Lions to ATL or Baltimore)  The best thing for the Lions at this time should be to trade down... if they can... that is a BIG HUGE if.  Because I just don't think anyone wants to be in that spot, especially with the price tag it comes with.  Detroit needs to rebuild their defense, offense and special teams (hell, the whole city needs a makeover), this also means changing the culture and the image of the franchise.  I picked Stafford not solely based on his talent, but also on the potential that he will bring a new image and a culture to a team that desperately needs a makeover.

2. St. Louis Rams (NinersFaninOhio)
With the 2nd overall pick, the St. Louis Rams select Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

I believe that they need an OT to replace Orlando Pace he has been in the NFL for 13 years. They has been talk that they want to trade him before the offseason workouts. Smith has been regarded by some that he is the best OT in the draft. He has agility, power and the work ethic that would help him keep the Left Tackle spot for years to come.

 

3. Kansas City Chiefs (mikev)
With the 3rd overall pick, the Kansas City Chiefs select Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

Curry is fast becoming the consensus best defensive player in the draft.  The Chiefs addressed the offense by trading for Matt Cassell, sort of got linebacker help in the form of Vrabel, but most of Vrabel’s career he’s been an OLB.

Adding Curry gives them a defensive force in the middle of the field to help out their new 3-4 defense, and along with Vrabel should upgrade the LB Corps significantly.

4. Seattle Seahawks (HailState77)
With the 4th overall pick, the Seattle Seahawks select B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College

Seattle had the worst passing defense in the league last year giving up more than 4,000 (that's right) I repeat 4,000 yards in the air.  So why did I choose B.J. Raji instead of a CB or a Safety?  Let me answer a question with another question.  Have you seen these DBs at the combine?  The depth at the Defensive Backfield is dismal at best.  After Jenkins and maybe Davis and I would think it would be a waste of a pick to use the #4 pick on them.  Another interesting note is their QB situation.  Hasselback is aging and their backup Wallace has not progressed enough to challenge for the starting spot.  Sanchez would be available but I think Seahawks pass on him.  B.J. Raji makes sense because he is the best player on the board in the fourth spot.  He's athletic and large... he fills the running lanes and creates havoc in the backfield.  Seahawks need depth at the defensive line and solid players on their team... they can always try to pick up DBs in the later rounds.

5. Cleveland Browns (49er4Life)
With the 5th overall pick, the Cleveland Browns select Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Last year the Browns ranked second-last in the league, averaging a measly 14.5 ppg, scoring 31 points in their last 6 games combined. With that being said, their offence definitely needed a boost coming into 2009. Making things worse, the Browns traded Winslow, arguably Cleveland’s best and definitely most consistent pass catcher. Stallworth has proved to be an unsuccessful option. Edwards may be on his way out with a hefty contract that can’t be justified by his constant drops. Thus, Crabtree will give this offense an immediate boost and a stud receiver for years to come. He will likely jump into the line-up as an opening day starter thereby alleviating some of the double-teams and pressure Edwards faces.

When this pick was originally allotted to me the first thing I thought of was the Browns Swiss cheese defense. They have a huge hole that needs to be addressed in the secondary, with the departure of Sean Jones, which made me contemplate Michael Jenkins with this pick. Ultimately, I don’t feel he is top 5 material and after doing a bit of research the Browns secondary actually wasn’t that bad last year. They finished second in the league with 23 interceptions and did that with a lack of a pass rush as the team finished the year with the second fewest sacks. Which leads me to my next consideration, Brian Orakpo. The Browns clearly need more of a pass rush and with Willie McGinest cruising into the sunset Orakpo was definitely an option here, but at the end of the day Crabtree was the BPA and addresses the team’s biggest need of an offensive playmaker.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (fortyninerfaith)
With the 6th overall pick, the Cincinnati Bengals select Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

Jason Smith proved himself as the #1 OT in this draft, but arguments can be made for Monroe, Andre Smith, and maybe even Michael Oher about who is the #2.  For me this decision came down to the fact of Cincinnati not being able to waste anymore time on immaturity and off the field issues from their players.  There is no question that the Bengals need to draft an OT here after finishing 29th in the league in rushing and 30th in sacks allowed.  They also lost a stud right tackle in Stacy Andrews.  Smith is undeniably very talented, but it is about time the Bengals begin prioritize character, otherwise their organization is never going to get out of the gutter.

In many analysts eyes, Monroe is a better draft prospect than his former teammate D'Brickshaw Ferguson was.  There is no aspect of his game that is particularly flashy, but he is a solid all around player.  He has prototypical size that he combines well with his knowledge of the game.  He has quick feet for his size and matches up well in the pass rush, and is tough enough to help in the run game.  Eugene Monroe would be an anchor in getting Carson Palmer and this organization back on pace.

7. Oakland Raiders (jtoj)
With the 7th overall pick, the Oakland Raiders select Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

With Crabtree off the board, the Raiders and Darth Vader will look to upgrade weapons for Jamarcus Russell. Maclin, a speed guy, fits in with one of Vader's favorite Raiders of all time, Tim Brown, as far as tools and playstyle. With Crabtree off the board so quick, the Raiders could look to focus on the O Line or a pass rusher but Vader needs his bling for Russell so the next best offensive weapon it is.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars (sam23)
With the 8th overall pick, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

The Jags seem would likely take Crabtree if he were to slip all the way down here and would consider Maclin if he were available, but their biggest need is on the offensive line.  The poor play on the O-line, particularly from LT Khalif Barnes (now a FA) played a major role in Garrard's regression last season and the overall disappointing season from the team.  With Fred Taylor gone the team may even consider Beanie Wells here, but they've had good success finding RBs in later rounds and will likely find a guy to split carries with MJD in the middle rounds.  

Finding a guy to protect Garrard and open up holes for Jones-Drew is their #1 need and they should have their choice of a few guys here.  I think Jason Smith is the guy theyd love to see available here, but he seems to be moving up most boards and isnt likely to be there.  Similarly Smith is obviously moving down most boards and I dont think they want to bring in a guy with that much bust potential no matter how talented he is.  Oher is a solid prospect at a position of need and also may be the BPA, thus its pretty clear he's probably the guy in this scenario.

9. Green Bay Packers (wjackalope)
With the 9th overall pick, the Green Bay Packers select Everette Brown, OLB, Florida State

Last time around in the same place I had the Pack taking Malcolm Jenkins, and it could go that way.  They are switching to a 3-4 and need a NT and pass rushers.  They also have needs on the OL and their starting corners are aging.  They've drafter corners in recent drafts and they may be banking on those guys stepping up when the time comes.  In reality this pick will probably be one of 4 guys: Brown, Jenkins, Orakpo, and Raji - and they will pick whoever is highest on their board who is still left.  OTOH, if one of the top 3 (used to be 4, sorry Andre Smith) OTs is there at #9, they might go that direction. But in this case they take Brown, because that's what a lot of mocks have them doing.

10. San Francisco 49ers (illini49er)
With the 10th overall pick, the San Francisco 49ers select Everette Brown, OLB/DE, Florida State

The Niners are in desperate need of a pass rush. The lack of a passrush has made it dificult for the defense to stop people on 3rd down. The pick came down to Brown or Orakpo from Texas. Both project to be 3-4 passrushing OLBs. This season Brown had 13.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss, and Orakpo had 10.5 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. Brown has been compared to Demarcus Ware in abilities. Brown has not missed a game, while Orakpo missed two games this season with a knee problem. It was a tough choice, both will be good players. B.J. Ragi, the BC NT was tempting too, but I think our pass rush is the biggest hole in the defense.

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Seattle doenst need a DT anymore

Seattle today traded Julian Peterson for Corey Redding and a 5th round pick…so they prolly wont be drafting BJ Raji…does that mean they Sanchez?…would Jenkins still be a reach?…will they play BPA or team need?

by Cal Golden 49er on Mar 14, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Who to pick?

Although Brown would be a welcome addition to the Def. line, I feel that shoring up the Off. line is more important. With Jonas alway hurt and Sims on the older side, that only leaves 8 Off. line players. With 55 sacks being the 2nd or 3th worst in the league, the line needs help. J.Smith and Monroe will be gone and A. Smith and M. Oher having issues, I would consider the best 4th or 5th OT picks at #10. William Beatty from Conn. or Eben Britton from Az. to be better choices at tackle. There are alot of upsides to theses players compare to A. Smith and M. Oher. Every Draft pick has to be a starter because we didn’t get any help in the FA Market..Yes, Defense wins games, but if you cann’t score , it doesn’t matter. Either way, both sides of the line needs help, it will depend on which position is more available in the 2nd round ,OT or DE? That’s how I would decide who is drafted 1st. !

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 14, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

i agree

i really feel that we need to pick a OT at #10…our defense isnt bad but they are forced to be on the field for too long because we cant keep drives going (we did do better last year under Martz)…we need an OT to shore up the line and reduce the sacks…if we can do this, we can put ourselves in 2nd and 3rd and shorts…we keep drives going, we get points, and our defense gets to rest…fanball was reporting earlier in the day that Julian Peterson was either gonna be traded or released…i was actually hoping that he would be released and we picked him up (avg. 8 sacks in last 3 years)…but it wasnt to be

by Cal Golden 49er on Mar 14, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree its probably the top priority, but I think its still a strong possibility that all 4 of the top tackles could be gone by the time we pick. Also if Crabtree were to somehow slide all the way down to us I think we have to take him. Basically my realistic big board would look like this
1. Crabtree
2. 1 of the 4 OT’s
3. 1 of the DE/OLB hybrid pass rush types
-though with seattle getting redding today, I guess Raji is more likely to slide to us too.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 14, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

crabtree

if crabtree falls, i think the niners have to take him…he is the type of player that comes around once every (# of years since fitz came)…he is a playmaker that can make an impact right away…simply put, crabtree is a cant miss player and a no-brainer…however, i think he will be gone latest by #7 thanks to Big Al in Oakland (we all know he likes to collect trophies)…

by Cal Golden 49er on Mar 14, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

If you worry only about NEED, then you’re going to end up drafting someone way before you should, in other words, reaching. You never want to reach, especially with a high pick like #10. That early in the draft you really have to get value, because they’re going to cost a lot to sign. You take the best player available – in any of your top 3-4 positions of need. You can’t sell out for one position and say that no matter what we’re taking an OT. If you do that you end up reaching.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Mar 14, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this....

…but isn’t that the rationale that the Lions were using when they drafted a WR 4 out of 5 years?

I do agree with not reaching but I’d be much happier trading a pick than drafting to a non-need area.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Mar 14, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

well yeah the Lions

they clearly took “best player available” a little too far.

And certainly, if you can get a guy at you most pressing area of need while trading back, then that’s fine too.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Mar 15, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

The Lions are a bad example!

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Mar 15, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Def./Off. Ranking

After a bit of work, based on the NFL sortable stats, the Off.rates 23th best ,the pass at 13th best and the rush at 27th. The Def. rates at 13th best,13th against therush and 20th pass. So, based on this info, it looks like the Off line could use more help. It look like wecould use more run blocking if that is what Singletary wants to do this year. After looking at this info., I would rather pick a Off. lineman than anything else.

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 14, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

about this, and above

I’m not trying to say that OL is not a big need for us, maybe our most pressing need – that very well could be true. So, it’s one thing to say that you would rather have an OL, but another to say that you will take one no matter what.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Mar 14, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need to take the BPA .. BUT... IF you have A Smith, Oher, and a DE/OLB rated close together then you take what you need out of those players available to you.

So if A Smith, Raji and Brown are all available you take Smith who shores up your biggest need.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 15, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure

if there are multiple guys available that you have rated closely, you go with the one that fills the biggest need.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Mar 15, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has been debated the last few days cause all these mock drafts have us picking a DE/OLB. It’s foolish to expect a rookie DE/OLB to improve the teams pass rush this upcoming year. Jevon Kearse is about the only rookie to positively impact a team’s pass rush the last 15 years.

Jacksonville tried the strategy last year and failed miserably picking up two pass rush specialist in the first round. If a team is real desperate to find a immediate pass rush, do what what the Vikings did. Open up the checkbook and/or trade for an established veteran.

Or try to understand the defensive linemen take a few years to develop. Guess what, the team’s already invested heavily on DL in past drafts but lets toss those guys aside just before they bloom.

Aren’t 6-7 so called pass rush guys picked the 1st round each year? There is still a massive shortage of these guys in the league so it pretty much explains how often these guy turn into a wasted pick, or least not the Charles Haley everyone was expecting.

by bignerd on Mar 14, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

A short story about the Raiders of Old/New

I know this doesn’t fit into todays subject ,but here it is. Having been born in the Bay area (18yrs.in Sf and 32 yrs. in Alameda), I was a 2 team football fan. That ended when the traitor moved to Smog city. Players like Stabler,Sistruck,Hendrick and more would walk into my local bar (Alameda) and talk with all of us.! You had watch out for your old lady because they loved to tease.Stabler was the girls favorite. A bunch of funny guys.Stabler was the funniest. They would do the rounds to all the local Bars and visited everyone and they would do it every week and every year. What a pleasure it was for all of us. It was true about them being Party Aminals and we Loved them. Al Davis, that was a different story! You couldn’t approach him and he didn’t acknowledge you ( I know from a personal view), but he was Al Davis! But today has to be a sad ending for a once brilliant owner. Althought, I don’t like him for what he did to all thoses Fans of yesteryear and I still hold it against him, you got to feel for the Old Man. He lost the Silver and Black Glitter! I don’t think he understand that anymore.

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 14, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

If Crabtree is available at # 10 then we have a choice

Take him and hope he lives up to his potential (See Detroit for those early 1st round WRs who don’t)
Or, with other team wanting to trade up for him, move back a few and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 15, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Helping the Defense

It’s like cal golden 49er said, sometime the best Defense is Offense. By keeping the opponent from getting the ball and using up the clock, you can save the Defense from being on the field to long. Something the Niners didn’t do so well last year. Sure, it would be great to have a rec. like Crabtree, but when your QB is scrambling or being harass, I doubt any QB could get the ball to him. Maybe a few. So yea, My first choice would be a lineman,who can step in and give support to the QB and get that ball to the reciever or Gore busting up the middle for that 1st.down! They didn’t do that every well either. The numbers are not lying about what’s wrong with the Offense. 27th worst rushing offense. That is hard to dispute!

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 14, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Although I Niners are in need of a pass rush, I honestly do not see them taking an olb with their first pick. Singletary wants to run to ball on offense. He wants aggressive linemen with a nasty streak. There is a glaring hole at right tackle, and I think the Niners will address that hole with there first pick. At this point, I’m guessing Oher or A. Smith, because J. Smith will definitely be off the board and so will Monroe. The Niners will definitely try to grab a pass rusher at some point, but for their first pick, I’d be shocked if it wasn’t someone to fill the right tackle spot.

by Calcio365 on Mar 14, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

yahoo sport report

Just in 50 minutes ago on the 49er team report-Damane Duckett will be switch from Defense to Offensive line. Can someone confirm if that is true?

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Duckett

He was switched to offensive line before last season but never played. He’s a free agent and the 49ers didn’t tender him so he’s likely gone.

by David Fucillo on Mar 14, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

NFL.com

did a mock draft of their own and at the # 10 pick they have us drafting Mark Sanchez. Personally, I don’t think we should go with a QB with our first pick, I think we should be going for a lineman or a linebacker.

Here’s the link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f4002b&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

by ro128487 on Mar 14, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

i dont see that

we prolly wont take a QB with #10…we may pick up someone later in the draft, but i think we give hill/smith a year (with no huard)…if it works, good…if not, then we go draft a qb next year…we know bradford, mccoy, and tebow will be good…but who will be next year’s flaccos…i hope we can get some1 like chase daniels this year and we groom him to take over for hill/smith after two years (when their contracts expire)…and fyi…late round pick…..i like zack follet…may not be the fastest guy but he plays with heart and hits hard…and he’s from the bay (cal)…

by Cal Golden 49er on Mar 14, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade the pick

This draft is deep in both 34 LBs and OTs. Somebody deeply coveted by a different team will drop to #10. Be it Raji, Crabtree, QB, somebody will fall and we’ll be able to trade for two solid picks. Use those picks to get an OT and OLB from out ‘A’ groups.

I’d like to get one of the following OLBs (Brown/Ayers/Mabin/Orakpo)
As far as OT I’d like to land Beatty from Connecticut

by knightwxc5000 on Mar 20, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

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