Golden Nuggets: Ok, now to actually pursue an OT.
by James Brady on Mar 20, 2009 1:39 AM PDT
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Good morning everyone, James here. The 49ers have entered their first day of "voluntary" minicamp. We've got a ton of articles on that, so there's a lot of repetition but I've done my best to include the best ones, i.e different information and opinions from the "good writers." There's not much other than the minicamp and me celebrating for the non-return of T Jonas Jennings. Anyway, there's a fine amount of links, not a ton, but give me a break. I have more to do with my life than read about the Niners!... Ok, well no, I really don't. Well you're the one reading what I post, so hah. Either way, sorry for that, here's some good links for you. All of them, they're all good.
The Niners finally part ways with T Jonas Jennings. This is good, the guy had talent (or so I hear) but he was always injured. We need something more stable at the position, I've personally been sick of our offensive line play the past two seasons. (SFGate.com)
Six months to go until the new season... It seems so far! (SFGate.com)
A look at OC Jimmy Raye, and what he brings to the team. (PressDemocrat.com)
A look at the positions and what we've got to work with going into minicamp. (MVN.com)
A 49ers area scout takes a look at pro days. (49ers.com)
An article on WR Josh Morgan. I hope this guy does great things next season. (49ers.com)
Words of advice for Mike Singletary. (MercuryNews.com)
I actually have more for you, I'll return and post them asap.
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When do you pick a OL?
Ther are 16 O-lineman in the top 100,According to the NFL post.The 9ers have 3 plucks within the 1st 100 picks and the 4th is at #107. The 9er’s get to pick either the 10th or 11th player in every round. I think, we are in a good position to get what we want and fill in the real needs.
Discussion about this...
… has been going on all over the place, but I still stand by my position that a RT can be had in the second round. If one of the “playmaker” positions are available at #10 with good value (i.e. Curry/Orakpo/Brown, Raji, Crabtree, Davis), the team has to seriously consider taking them over a tackle. That is, of course, unless the tackle available is J.Smith or Monroe.
The 1st four
of your picks will most likely be gone.As well as the 2 tackles.Crabtree may need a yr. to be at 100% and Davis has talent but there are are questions. Maybe Oher at RT or Maualuga at LB. He would fit the 3/4 scheme very well.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
As I said...
… it remains to be seen what the team should/will take because no one can really predict when who will go where. That’s the beauty, or disadvantage, of picking 10th.
As for Crabtree, I’d spend a year of waiting for him to hit 100% as long as he can still practice and play. WRs notoriously need at least two years to develop, anyhow.
And
the Niners have drafted 14 WR/TE since 2002 and no one has shown to have that break away threat yet. There are some potential now. I would rather wait until next year to see about WR. With Morgan drafted in ‘08 and Hill in ’07’ and B. Jones FA, I don’t think the Niner would give up a 1st rd pick on a wounded Duck. I wouldn’t take that chance when I could get help today. Instead of waiting two years.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The team...
… isn’t going to win it all this year. To give up a potentially league leading playmaker (which is what I feel Crabtree can be) for a RT just because the RT can contribute one year earlier is almost inexcusable. IF the 49ers were one RT away from being a Super Bowl team, which is almost an impossible scenario for ANY team, then I’d think they’d definitely take a RT over a playmaker. But if they have at least another year or two to play with in terms of becoming a true force in the league, now is the time to take some chances on projects and playmakers that need more time to develop.
That's right!
And not one player is going to make that big a differences. It’s a combination of things.Like I said in my first comment, we can fill all of our needs. RT could be the first or maybe a LB,since we drafted only 3 since ‘04’ There are just to many positions to be filled now. Project players are for later rounds. And who knows what Sleeper can come from the late rounds. Even, maybe a late round WR!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
To reiterate...
… methodrampage’s point:
You would seriously pass up on a young Andre Johnson in favor of a RT?
Besides, lets bank the whole draft premise on the possibility that the team can find a sleeper! Brilliant!
The 49ers linebackers are set except ONE position, pass rusher. They don’t need a Maualuga, and McCloughan should get fried if that was the pick.
The 49ers offensive line needs a RT, which is something that can be taken in the second round. There are AT LEAST three or four guys slated to go at the bottom of round one to the top of round two that are capable of playing RT.
You can’t pass on Crabtree if he’s available at #10.
Really?
The Niner are SET? Really, that news to a lot of Fans! In the 3/4 system, where does the pass rush come from?
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Read, please
sfgfan didn’t say the Niners are set, rather he said the following:
The 49ers linebackers are set except ONE position, pass rusher.
See the difference? And to answer your question, OLB, specifically the weakside or ROLB.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously you fail...
… at reading comprehension. As method points out, I did not say they were all set. They were set EXCEPT ONE POSITION, the pass rusher (weakside OLB). You suggesting Maualuga should be taken doesn’t fit anywhere into that one position, as Maualuga can be an OLB in a 4-3 but not a 3-4 (where he probably would best be a Ted, but may work as a Mike).
Some comparisons liken Crabtree to Andre Johnson
Tell me you wouldn’t pass on a young Andre Johnson.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 20, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Great!
$6 million for a practice player and a if come!!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Oher at RT or Maualuga at LB
Would be abortions of that #10 pick.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 20, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get it!
55 sacks each of the last 2 seasons and 27th rushing Offense as well. I don’t get it.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don't get it by now...
… you just probably never will.
The team is not good enough to draft for need in the first round. I’m glad Singletary and McCloughan know that (or at least that’s what they’re admitting to the public).
Lock In
You’re lock in as well as I am. I’m looking at it on needs,not the Heart
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
This comment and the one above it make no sense.
Sacks will go down by default
I’d say you might see a 25% decrease in sacks in this year from last just because Raye is calling the plays instead of Martz. I also this the rushing offense will look better, at least from a total yards rushing standpoint, because Raye is calling the plays instead of Martz. Hmm, does that mean the Niners addressed the issues your having with the offensive line just by bringing Raye on board as OC in lieu of Martz?
I don’t know how sfgfan and I can beat this into your head. A RT is not worthy of being drafted 10th overall.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You can try
But how can you dismiss the ‘07’ stats. They were the same as ‘08’ in Sacks and 27th rating in O-rush. Martz wasn’t there in “07” Granted, the Sacks allowed should drop and by your estimate that comes to 411/4 sacks. That is still to many. I understand and respect your point of view but how can a WR help in that regard? If we look at Smith and had he played 16 games, he would have ended the 10th best QB in total passing yards. So I don’t see a problem with the passing game. And I never said that OT had to be the 1st pick. I merely was pointing out a real concern. REFER to my 1st comment. The 1st round option was left open.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
P.S
If the 10th pick isn’t worhty of a OT, then what are you saying about J. Smith or Monroe ?
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Reading comprehension.
Seriously, you have to learn to understand what people here are saying. No one is saying an OT is not worth a top 10 pick. It’s common knowledge, at least to many fans and personnel people around the league, that a RT is not worth a top 10 pick.
J.Smith and Monroe (and MAYBE A.Smith) look to be elite LTs. Oher looks like he may have to at the very least start of as a RT, and may even have to stay there. You don’t pay a RT (primarily a run-blocking tackle) that kind of money. THATS why you don’t draft a RT in the top 10.
The only reason why Monroe or J.Smith get mentioned is because they are BY FAR the best of the offensive linemen crop this year. You don’t pass on a top 3 talent at #10 if he is available.
The line...
.. had a VERY off year in ’07. Pretty much the SAME LINE with the exception of Staley produced a 1,600 yard rusher and made ALEX SMITH look like a decent QB. People have off years, and the 49ers, with an injured Jennings, and aging Allen, and a not-100% Heitmann made the ’07 line bad, not the players that are on it now.
Check your stats
Other than ‘06 the offense has been terrible.Great,Smith had one decent season, but his overall record is 11/19. Not very good for a #1. And if A. Smith was available, would you pick Crabtree over A. smith. You also need to understand that everyone has a right to an opinion and you should respect that. Just because someone does’t believe in what you say,you don’t need to berate anyone.I notice that in past comments. So take it for what worth and learn to respect other people opinion. You might learn something!!!!!!!!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 21, 2009 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions
So,
If you say that a RT isn’t worth a top 10 pick, then explain to all of us why J. Smith and Monroe are being chosen so early. And don’t me the RT or LT stuff.
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 21, 2009 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
I say Monroe and J Smith are worth the pick because I feel they are capable of being better than Staley at LT in short time. There’s a reason why they’re going to be top 5 picks and not get anywhere near #10.
Can they play today? have you read Maualuga reports,what a Animal!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maualuga
Apparently have you haven’t read enough of his reports? Or maybe you don’t understand them? Or maybe you don’t understand how his scouting report fits with the 49ers?
Where will he play? He is NOT a 3-4 OLB. He is NOT a pass rusher. His best fit in a 3-4 (especially with the 49ers) would probably be at the TED, next to Willis, but you don’t use a top 10 pick on that kind of LB, as all they do is eat blocks. Takeo Spikes is the perfect example of what a TED should be, from a physical standpoint as well as a monetary standpoint.
Best analysis I've read in awhile
Do not allow Vernon Davis to ever stop guessing whether he’ s in or out of your doghouse. It’s the way he performs best.
Lynch posting.
The Lynch posting/article about Jonas is a little misleading. He’s really saying nothing different that what Maiocco and Barrows have been saying for the past month or two: Jonas is out of the teams plans. He’s still technically on the roster.
And ?
If you had read the ‘49er Report’,they are planning on releasing him when recovers. You cann’t release a player on the IR
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 20, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He's technically not on IR.
The ONLY reason he isn’t released now is that the 49ers don’t want to be on the hook for ANY portion of his base pay, which they will be if he gets cut and files a grievance. So yes, I have read the reports on the 49ers. I was merely pointing out that Lynch is making it sound like they already released him, which is A LOT different than the current situation.
How is it different? I can probably point out at LEAST THREE MILLION ways.
The Fact still is....
They cann’t cut anyone until they recover and money isn’t the issue. it’s PRODUCTION!!!!!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 21, 2009 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You can cut people if they're injured.
You pay the grievance settlement if you do. It’s simple. If Jennings was only costing the team $2M this year instead of the probably $6M figure he has, they would keep him. Money IS the issue. You don’t pay $6M+ to someone who rides the IR pony. You DO take that same chance if they’re not costing you too much and you have no other solutions.
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