Top Player falls to the 9ers
by 9ernorm on Mar 25, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
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PrintClay Matthews will be a pro bowl LB in 2 years a must take if there at 10. With him on the outside & Willis on the inside that will be the best LB crew in the NFL. Mark my words, we started are Super Bowl run with Defense 1st then we Drafted Offensive players to complete the team you know Rice, Craig, Lott & Montana all drafted by the genius Mr. Walsh 5 rings later, starts with D !
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Would we take him over Orakpo or Brown?
I’ve heard of Matthews, and he sounds like a good player, but what are you seeing in him that makes him a #10 and pro-bowler?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Combine Times as fast as a CB or Safety
He is a 3rd generation NFL player, his dad was a pro bowl LB for 13 years & grandfather was one to. He has a 1.4 shuttle time, that is as fast as a CB or Safety. Another Kevin Greene many sacks & we need alot more. If Mike is going to run the more than we need a great D with him & Willis in the middle we should have a great run stopping D.
1.4 shuttle time?
I believe you mean,
10 yard split.
Unless this shuttle happens to be configured a different way, for example 5 yards and back.
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
I love Mathews too and think he's underrated on the draft board
but he’s much better suited to the 4-3 and I don’t think the Niners will target him
Not a bad choice
You guys, if you want a good dialogue, stop with the sarcasm. It’s funny. But it also puts down the person making the comments. Obviously someone will now make a sarcastic comment about this and the dialogue will go nowhere.
I’ve heard great things about this kid. Maybe we could even trade down and get him later in the first and pick up a 2nd as well.
The RIGHT track here is that we need a pass rusher that will change the character of the defense. make it more aggressive and stop 1st downs on 3 and 5, etc. Maybe Clay Matthews is the answer. Are any of you guys prepared to say you KNOW he isn’t? He might be a great player, and if we can pick up a 2nd rounder as well that would be quite a good move.
Meanwhile, let’s stop putting down fellow 49er fans and their ideas for the team. This guys has a legitimate idea and he could be right!
agreed
people like wjackalope are weak dont worry about them man, theres topics they dont know much about either, like respect, but honestly i wouldnt take mattews until the third thats just me, me’s a marc sanchez at LB though he ran up the boards over the last month, and our biggest need is not linebacker at all
by 2ninersonecup on Mar 26, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Woh woh woh, pump your breaks there tiger...
I’m all for a healthy discussion on issues, and I agree that straight sarcasm is not the way to respond to a post. However, in the first response, kinglouie33 gave his opinion, THEN laid a sarcastic comment; that is more than ok, and encouraged in my book.
I didn’t see any put downs here, its just that Clay Matthews has been discussed before, and many people believe that he a) wouldn’t fit well into our system, b) is a waste of a #10 pick, c) won’t be around in the second round when our pick comes up and d) is not filling a Niners need. That’s why there hasn’t been a ton of discussion on this post. It would make a bit more sense if we traded down and picked him up late in the 1st, as Since79 noted. However many people agree that going with another ILB, especially since we have P. Willi and Takeo clogging up our center already, would be a massive dissapointment.
And as for singling out bloggers here, especially a moderator/assistant coach/editor of the site, it is probably not a good idea. They got their position because of the time they put into the site, the insightful points they have made, and the credit they have built up with the regulars. Just because you don’t agree with their posts doesn’t make them “weak”. If you want to lay down a personal attack, go to NinersCapHell. This blog is a step above the others, in my opinion, and should be treated as such.
But in the end, it’s the internet, deal. A certain part of communication is lost when you are just reading text, and can’t hear tone or see the person talking.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 26, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
well said Professor
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
pump your breaks there tiger?
hhmm, ur right it is the internet..and it would be alot different to talk to you in person. youd spend alot less time on your little quips. and on mattews all u did is repeat me and embellish on what i said. ur weak, u suck up to moderators on a sight and dont know enough shit about to football to even come up with your own thoughts. go watch some tape lil guy
by 2ninersonecup on Mar 27, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
No need for personal attacks
First off, stop cursing. You have enough self control to sensor yourself on these posts (outside of game-day posts) so please use [site decorum] if you feel the need to curse.
Next, the only thing you said about Matthews was,
our biggest need is not linebacker at all
I gave four specific reasons as to why he wouldn’t be a good fit for the team at the #10 pick. Thoughts, reasoning, explaning the rational behind your ideas; that is what matters on this site, not just getting any random ideas out there first. Just because you throw a thought with no rational out before anyone else doesn’t mean anyone else who agrees, and goes into greater depth than you did, is copying you.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 27, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Take a little more time and use some punctuation and this could be a pretty solid fanpost.
I meant that as serious advice. I don’t know much about Matthews, but I have a hard time taking a fanpost seriously when there is so little effort put in to the composition. I may be biased but my mind, when it sees a poorly formatted post, assumes the content is weak as well. Maybe it’s not. As I have said, I’m not an expert – I don’ spend as much time as a lot of people here researching the upcoming players. So I would love to hear about why this guy might be a good fit for the 49ers.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
The content may not be weak...
… but it’s often crappy to figure out.
are/our
didn’t expect that one to come up.
I don’t know much about this kid Clay Matthews. But I’m really not the draft expert compared to a lot of people around here. Sounds like an interesting idea though. Take a little more time and use some punctuation and this could be a pretty solid fanpost.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
clay matthews in the 2nd
if he is even there. but thats the only way i see niners drafting him. he will not be a 10th pick.
So whats the pick ?
This draft is soft no standout at all, if we need a D lineman then get a vet otherwise your schooling him for a year or two. A vet can plug right in, Tako will be out of football in 2 years anyway. From all the talk Matthews is right for a 3-4, I would not take Sanchez at 10 he needs more seasoning another year in school would do him a world of good. Andre Smith from alabama to out of shape. We keep getting burned by drafting O-lineman in the first round. All three LB’s from USC will go in the first round plus a QB & a Safety, thats 5 maybe 6 . Pete Carrol gets them to be special NFL players go back since he has been the coach at SC they all have impacks. As for PUNCTUATION , if that bothers you i really don’t CARE. I think you got what i was trying to get across, i didn’t know i was getting a GRADE for this. It is FOOTBALL we are talking about right ?
No one is grading you, but...
It just adds credability to your post if you copy and paste it into Word for a quick punctuation, grammer and spell check. Otherwise it just looks like a crazy rant. You make good points, and you can choose to ignore the commentary, just trying to be helpful and make your posts more impactful
Back to football: Good point on Takeo being gone in a few years, and needing to find a replacement, but are you willing to bulk up a position for the future, when we have a pass rush/O line/WR need right now? It sounds like you expect us to rebuild for a few more years. I dont know about you but I believe we have spend enough time rebuilding. There are quality LB’s every year in the draft, we can wait a year or two for a potential Ted linebacker to become a need.
Your reason for not taking Sanchez doesn’t make sense. If no one drafts him he is not going back to school; he hired an agent he can’t go back to USC.
If we were to draft Matthews (and thats a big if), how would we fill the other needs that we have, especially since most of the free agents that would fill those roles have been taken. And where did you hear that he would be the right fit in a 3-4, like foosball4949 said above, I have always heard he would do better in a 4-3 system (from Maylock, Kiper, etc)
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 26, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Matthews
So are you suggesting Matthews play the TED in the 3-4? I only ask because you mention Takeo Spikes, who plays inside at a position that, really, just eats up blockers to free up Willis. That’s not really the best place to put a supposedly athletic (and extremely expensive) player.
Now if you’re suggesting him for OLB, I can understand it a little more. However, if he is really around 240, he may be a little small for rush OLB, so he would be better off learning to play in coverage more and become someone more like Julian Peterson or what the 49ers WANTED Manny Lawson to become.
Basically, Matthews fits best in a 4-3 because he can play the protected OLB in that alignment (due to his size) or even play MLB. He just doesn’t seem to fit very well in a 3-4, especially on the 49ers roster.
Also, what other linemen in the first round have the 49ers taken that burned them? All I seem to remember is Kwame Harris. It’s a pretty well known assumption that taking a tackle in the first round is one of the safest picks in any draft, as if they fail at LT, they can move to RT. If they fail at RT, they can try playing inside. They have A LOT of fall back plans that most other positions can only dream of.
As the professor mentions above, no one is judging your spelling/grammar for the sake of judging it. When you spell words/names correctly and punctuate correctly, it makes your thought a LOT easier to understand and thus, makes your argument stronger.
True but ?
Remember he is only 22 a bit growing to do, he will be about 255 to 260 by the time he is a NFL player , see his dad Clay sr. . They said to small not the best size for a NFL LB he only played for almost 20 years went to the pro bowl 13 times. I went to school with SR. at 16 everyone on my high school said he would be in the NFL , sometimes you have to go with your GUT feeling. I would hate to pass on him & then he goes on & becomes a pro bowler for years. Every year there are a few players that the experts say to small or not tough enough & they are proven wrong. All i ask is make a smart pick that does not become a bust. The last 5 drafts the only good 1st rounder is P. Willis everyone else should have been a 2nd round or lower pick. I mean look what we signed as a free agent Huard give me a break, he will beat out Smith. What a waste of a first round pick Alex Smith was. look at the players that were picked after the 9ers tell me we didn’t miss a few guys that would have helped the team get back to the top of theNFL. We have to make this pick a statement that we are returning to greatness, starts with D. See how Bill Walsh did and model it the same way.
I don’t think we’re arguing that building a really solid D is a good way to build a championship team, we’re arguing that Matthews may not be the best player to do that with, especially with such a high pick.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
So many things...
There are so many things I disagree with in your comment.
First of all, just because the kid is 22, it does not mean he will magically gain 20 pounds of muscle. If I’m not mistaken, Matthews is a pretty well built looking kid as it is. You can’t keep adding to a frame just because you’re 22.
Secondly, I understand that size isn’t all that matters. However, considering his playing style (quicker/faster), there should be some serious question marks regarding whether or not he’s big enough to take on the 320+ pound offensive tackles that will no doubt have tons more experience than he does. Maybe he’s capable of it, but why take that risk when there’s someone else who has more potential and, possibly, better technique as a rush linebacker (i.e. Brown/Maybin/Orakpo)?
Lastly, I understand that the 49ers have had weak first round picks. Smith, so far, hasn’t worked out. Davis and Lawson haven’t, either. The jury is still out on Balmer. I understand the gripe: the team has missed on first round picks. Hindsight is always 20/20, and that is especially true with the draft. There is not a single player they took that people weren’t excited about at the time of the pick (except maybe Balmer). They don’t call it a crapshoot for no reason at all.
As for Huard’s signing. He was signed to fill a spot for training camp. The 49ers are clearly happy with Hill (and Alex Smith) going forward. What, were you part of the Jeff Garcia camp? You may believe Garcia has the ability to play, still, but if that were the case, why has no one else snatched him up? The one free agent QB that would have made a difference on the 49ers roster was MAYBE Warner, who never wanted to leave Arizona to begin with.
You’re basically kind of crying of spilled milk. The 49ers are TRYING to become a better team and it has shown over the past few years. Yes, it’s going a lot slower than that pretty picture Nolan originally painted four or five years ago, but it’s going nonetheless. Singletary, so far, had the team turned in the right direction after last season, so much so that many fans feel the team is only a couple of players away from being really good (which they aren’t).
Lastly, they can’t model the team after Walsh’s model. Walsh’s model, for the most part, didn’t have a lot of the outside factors that today’s NFL has (such as the modern day salary cap, free agency, etc.).
playstyle
also in todays nfl the teams don’t play like they used to you can’t just dominate on one part of the gameplan any more because eventually some one will stop you aka patriots got to the superbowl and didn’t even score twenty points after dominating the regular season.
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