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Niners Nation Scouting Report: Could Greene be Money for the 49ers

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Mike Singletary is one tough, scary dude, and it is only fitting that he wants his team to reflect that. Both Singletary and Mccloughan have stated that they want a big bruising back that can churn out the tough yards, and can get those crucial inches on a fourth down play. Unfortunately though this year's draft class is very shallow at running back, especially power running backs.

Their is a slim possibility that the 49ers could take a running back with the tenth pick overall, and most experts agree that it would be a reach, and the 49ers have higher priority positions to fill with that pick. So barring a trade, the next opportunity to take a running back will be with the 43rd overall pick. Could that pick be Shonn Greene?

While it is certainly possible that Greene could fall to third, or perhaps even the fourth, it still hasn't stopped him from being listed no lower than seventh (no higher than third) for the best running backs in this year's drafts class on almost all draft sites. At the combine he weighed in at 235 lbs, he stood at 5'11", ran a 4.63 - 40 yard dash, did 19 reps, and had a vertical of 37. At his Pro-Day he did improve his 40 time to 4.50 and he did 23 reps.

Greene has had the misfortune of being labeled as a one year wonder. In his first year at Iowa in 2005 in his very first game he rushed for 116 yards and one touchdown in a win against Ball State, but he saw little action the rest of the year. Sadly the following year he saw little action once again, despite his 6.4 yard rushing average for 205 yards, on just 32 attempts for the season. In 2007 he sat out the season to raise money for his tuition by going to community college and working at a furniture store.

Finally in 2008 he had his breakout season. Greene rushed for an amazing 1,850 yards, averaged 6.0 yards a carry, and had an incredible 20 touchdowns in 13 games of action.

While his competition for most of the year was pretty bad, he didn't dim when it came to playing against big name teams. Against former #3 Penn State's vaunted defense he rushed for 117 yards, had a 4.2 avg, and had two touchdowns, he also produced against two 9-4 teams finishing with 152 yards per game and an average of 5.8 yards a carry.

The Hawkeye junior rushed for over a hundred yards in every game last season (impressive at any level), he led Iowa to a very surprising 9-4 record, and he was the main reason they won the Outback Bowl.

Now that his college days are behind him, scouts are looking at him with a fine tooth comb. Here are two draft sites, MockingTheDraft.com and DraftCountdown.com, where they break down his strengths and weaknesses:

Strengths:

After Chris Wells of Ohio State, Greene is probably the most powerful running back in this class. Unlike a lot of backs in this year's class, he can get the tough yards and be relied on near the goal line. Shakes off poor tacklers. Real trouble if he gets in the open field to get up to top speed. Good lean. Possesses the lateral quickness to work outside the tackles. Solid blocker due to his strength.

Excellent size and bulk...Very physical runner...Powerful with a strong lower body...A load to bring down and breaks a lot of tackles...Patient with good vision and instincts...A terrific inside runner...Has nimble feet...Finishes runs and always falls forward...Gets stronger as the game progresses...Takes care of the ball...Doesn't have a lot of mileage on his tires...Great determination...Team player...Superb production.

Weaknesses:

Only average speed. Unless he gets into the open field, Greene has some trouble getting up to top speed. Sat out the 2007 season and will have to answer a lot of questions about it during the interview process. Weight has fluctuated. Mostly an unknown as a receiver. Only had 11 career receptions for 72 yards. Had just one outstanding season. Will be a 24-year-old rookie.

Does not have good speed, quickness or a burst...Will struggle to get outside and turn the corner...Won't run away from anyone...Not much of a threat as a receiver out of the backfield...Lacks great balance...A little stiff...Should be a better blocker than he is...Too indecisive...Has had some trouble with his weight and conditioning...Intelligence is an issue...Is older than most prospects...Durability?...A one-year wonder.

Both sites seem to be in agreement in both virtues, and while I do agree with their analysis I do have some comments. My friend is a Physics major and he broke down the video of Greene's 40 yard time, as well as Devin Moore's 4.40 and compared the two. He said that both topped out at close to 20mph, but that Moore reached his top speed about 6.5 yards earlier than Greene. What this means is that Greene is plenty fast, he just needs to work on his burst.

Another point of interest is the question of his durability. He has never had really any injury issues and he has played in all honestly only about one season out of the last four years, so the real concern is just about his age. He is 24 and I think him being more mature with a clean record out weighs one extra year.

Also most of his negatives, beside his speed, are easily correctable. With Singletary coaching you better believe he will be in excellent shape, and his blocking and indecisiveness will improve with more playing time. Also most running backs come into the league as exceptional receivers and I am sure Greene will improve, and even if he doesn't Gore is already plenty good at receiving for both of them.

One thing that makes me really angry is having a players intelligence questioned, especially when it's not a quarterback. I don't know how many people know this but our very own Frank Gore did not do very will in his Wonderlic Exam and he is dyslexic, but neither of those things have stopped him from having a productive career in the NFL.

I personally think that taking him in the second round may be a little high, just because of the talent in other positions that are available, but I think he will be a great pick with our third round pick. He has great upside, he is productive, and he is a team player who could definitely improve the Niners.

If you don't like swearing, I suggest you watch with the sound muted:


 

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What round should the 49ers first address a running back?
Round 1
16 votes
Round 2
114 votes
Round 3
342 votes
Round 4
153 votes
Round 5
41 votes
Round 6 and On
7 votes
Never! Release Clayton!
38 votes

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This guy's a beast!

He actually reminds me of Frank Gore, right down to the limited playing time in college. In Gore’s case I think this has actually helped him, since he has less “mileage” than other RBs the same age. Look at a guy like Michael Turner, who similarly seems fresher than other guys his age since he was backing LT up and not taking the beating the primary RBs take.

If Greene can take care of the ball the way the scouting reports say he does, I think he looks perfect. He can pound the ball on 3rd down, he’s obviously a very physical running, he can give Gore a break in stints, etc. He looks like a great potential 3rd round pick.

by Neon on Mar 26, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Greene

I like him, and he has potential, but the 49ers can’t afford a 2nd round pick on a RB. They just can’t. If he’s sitting there in round 3, they should pounce, but I don’t think he falls to round 3.

I voted Round 5 in the poll. Gartrell Johnson. That is all.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 26, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Work on his burst"

That seems to me like a contradiction in terms. I somehow think a Percy Harvin type would be a better complement to Frank Gore. Harvin’s burst is unparalleled in this draft, and the guy put up 20 reps in the bench press, so toughness isn’t the issue people think it may be with him.
If we’re worried about goal line carries, why not draft Quinn Johnson in the 7th as our FB of the future? In fact, I’ll be disappointed if they don’t draft him.

Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!

by grantmp on Mar 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I somewhat agree with you...

While I do like Shonn Greene a lot, and if we had a burner at running back I think he would be a great addition, I don’t necessarily think the team needs another bruising running back. I like the idea of drafting a home run type of guy, but in this year’s class I can’t honestly say there is one past the top 3. At this point since the 49ers want a bruiser all I can hope for is we pick up Shonn Greene, Thomas Clayton helps make our team a 3 headed monster, and we draft a strong full back either late in the draft or through the supplemental.

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by StrictlyFootball on Mar 26, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quickness

It sounds like the above descriptions of him are questining his quickness and how fast he can hit the hole. He can be the most powerful runner in the world, but if he can’t hit the hole (which is already small and closing) fast enough, it won’t really matter.

by sfgfan on Mar 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of…………….Frank Gore

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like an interesting player

but I wouldn’t want a RB till the third round or later.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Mar 26, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Drafting 2 RB's

He’s a tough runner wouldnt mind gettin em but lm also for Gartrell Johnson later in the 5th round. What are the chances of gettin both RB’s? remember cowboys drafted two Back last year Felix jones and Choice from G.Tech, baber and jones went down to injuries and Choice did a good job fillin in as a starter vs Pittsburg, even the Raiders Fadden and Bush last year. Micheal Bush ran for 177 yards vs the Bucs while Fargas and Fadden both sat out with injuries. Remember Gore gettin hurt at the end of the season right, this would give all Our RB fresh legs thru the season and maybe thru the playoffs.

by BIG49ERS_1 on Mar 26, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a playoff team looking to improve. The Niners have far more holes to fill.

by GTrain on Mar 26, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RB is the easiest position to play in the NFL

and I don’t think that you should spend high draft picks on them when you can get quality backs lower in the draft (see Frank Gore).

The difference between being a good and a great back is a big one but the difference between being an ok and a good back is mostly physical talent and that’s not that rare.

Also, without passing judgement on Greene whom I know next to nothing about, I have a hard time believing that Rathman would sign off on draft a RB who’s not a good receiver out of the backfield.

by foosball4949 on Mar 26, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pj hill anyone

I think if greene isnt available for the niners in the 3rd round or later, PJ is a great running back pick.

by AGoose16 on Mar 26, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My qualification

as a judge of college talent is negligible, almost as much as my knowledge of economics, and I’m not waiting for any phone calls from Washington, DC.

I voted 3rd round, partly because we were lucky picking up Gore there, partly because I’d hope we’d have a new pass rusher and offensive tackle by that point in the draft. Or, maybe a speedburning receiver. I agree with foosball4949 that lack of a history as a receiver is a big “if” here.

Also, I practically beg all over the internet for an explanation of why Clayton sat for two years. You could say that Nolan didn’t like playing young players, but of any position where a rookie can step right in running back is it.

One of the regular writers here ought to write a piece about Clayton. What’s the knock on him? What was the knock on him when he came out of college? What have the beat writers seen in practice that we don’t see? If Clayton is really as good as some of us think, getting a running back would be even less of a priority.

by Bob On The Coast on Mar 26, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rashad Jennings

That’s who I want 6’ 1" 235 possibly in the third.

by Mullester on Mar 26, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's called blocking.

I saw nothing all that impressive about Greene in this video, it is called power run blocking. His first contact on 90% of plays came 8 yards down the field by a DB, which the majority of the time he was unable to break.

I would be very disappointed if any higher than a 3rd or 4th round pick was used to pick up Greene.

by Sultan of Seitan on Mar 26, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Shonn Greene

and I think he would be an EXCELLENT pickup in round 3. round 1 and 2 should be spent on OL and DL..

Side note; the issues with Greene if I do recall are more about character than anything else.

It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting

by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 27, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This guy looks good

I like this back. Every good NFL team uses to back so why do we. Especially it Singletary wants to commit to running the ball. Greene would be a solid pick.

by JOJOJay on Mar 28, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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