Official Jay Cutler Trade Block thread
EDITOR'S NOTE 4/2 2:34PM: According to ESPN, Cutler has been traded to the Bears. No word yet on what picks go to Denver.
First, thanks to Giants Fan in Singapore for getting a FanShot up about the Broncos officially making Cutler available for trade.
There is a link in there to a Yahoo article that naturally includes the 49ers among six teams expected to be seriously involved in trade talks (the other five are the Jets, Bucs, Bears, Lions and Browns). Charles Robinson (the same man who claims Vernon Davis is a mediocre blocker), says "[s]everal league personnel sources confirmed to Yahoo! Sports" that those teams are going to be involved. Take that for what it's worth.
Anyways, barring the 49ers actually getting involved in this, I figured an official Jay Cutler FanPost would be much more useful than 5 FanPosts and 10 FanShots. So, if you want to discuss why Jay Cutler is a baby, or why the 49ers should trade for him, or even why they should NOT trade for him (among a million other potential topics), please use this thread. And if you want to respond to someone's specific comment, please use the REPLY feature.
As info comes up, I'll make sure and keep this thread appropriately updated.
FOOCH'S NOTE 11:26PM: Although I've got this as a FanPost, I thought I'd move it to the center of the page for all to see for now. Enjoy.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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I don't like the person Cutler's becoming
but he’s still a decent QB. however his winning percentage and big game play make me squirm. I don’t think I’d like what we’d have to give up for him to get him. If it was magically something like a second rounder then I think I’d go for it, but I don’t see that being the top bid. I wouldn’t be surprised if we went to the Lions…
I just have comment on personality issue. I can name John Elway, Eli Manning and Brett Farve as once disgruntled quarterbacks who have won Superbowls. If the QB doesn’t like the team and demands a trade the situation hasn’t affected the QB’s caliber of play. Plus, it wasn’t an issue once these QB’s joined their new team.
winning percentage
his defense was a big reason his winning percentage is not good in games they allowed 21 or less points hes 13-1
SO VERY THIS
Also: He had NO running game last year. Not a bad one, not a mediocre one, NO RUNNING GAME. Give him Frank Gore and watch the fun ensue. MAKE. IT. HAPPEN.
I knew someone would bring that up
but, that record indicates that he’s a QB that can only win games within a certain area and not one where he has to elevate both his play and his teammates. I’m just not sold on him as much as a lot of people are.
by foosball4949 on Apr 1, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Welllll
If you have a good qb that a) makes big plays and b) “manages the game” [i.e. no turnovers, long drives], you can keep the opposing teams offense off the field. That would certainly prevent a team from putting up big numbers.
But in the end, it does come down to the D….
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 2, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
""manages the game" [i.e. no turnovers, long drives], you can keep the opposing teams offense off the field."
Long drives are more indicative of offenses with good running games. You don’t sustain long drives by passing as the clock stops on incomplete passes and a high octane offense typically will take less completed passes to traverse the field than rushes but you should have know that already. There are also other factors that play against a QB when he doesn’t have much of a running game either, simply put, it’s easy to scheme against the pass if you don’t have to worry about the run.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Method, ease up
You can’t say that a good qb that makes his passes and puts up big points wont help slow down an opposing defense. Of course there are a ton of things that would help sustain drives (strong lineman for opening holes/proteting the qb, a good running game, talented WR’s). Improving an offense period will hurt the oppertunity to keep the other team’s offense off the field. Plus, with a good QB, you have to respect the run more, oppening the run game more between the tackles. I’m not saying that a QB will stop an opposing team from scoring 50. I’m saying it doesn’t hurt to have it.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 2, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
450 comments in 1 hour 30 minutes...
On the Mile High Report apart of SBnation.
That has to be a record.
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
Nah, check the game threads at AthleticsNation
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
yeah the game day threads here get pretty high comments as well
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
How..
Dp you guys watch the game, with friends screaming, and drinking, and post at the same time?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Just curios?
..thats way beyond my ability, at least after the 1st quarter..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
well since i'm the only Niner fan I know, it's pretty easy for me
and I am usually watching a live stream of the game on my computer anyway (all I get here are Redskins games)
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Makes sense.. but..
what if the 49ers are playing the Skins?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
that's the only time, except when we are on nationally, that I get to see them play on live TV
they are on TV in bars and stuff so I can actually go out and find a few other random Niners fans to cheer with
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Must be..
..refreshing!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
live stream
We’ll have a FanPost as we get closer to the season for people to post sites they use to live stream games.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
the AN thread about the Holliday trade
had like 1.5k comments within 30 minutes…
A’s fans are some serious bloggers, yo.
go over to McCovey Chronicles
and look at the thread about the Giants 25 man roster. That thing was at 600 before you could blink.
now over 1000
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Definitely
I absolutely agree. I have no faith in Alex Smith at this point. While I like Shaun Hill and think he could get us to 9-7 or so, I don’t feel that he’s the answer to our QB problem. Cutler seems to have some ego issues, but everything I’ve seen says he’s got talent. I think we need to take the risk and go for this. Drafting a QB is alot more risky. If we could get him for like a 2nd round pick, that would free up the draft to address the other needs we have. I think this is the piece we need to really get out of this losing funk we’ve been in
YEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I couldn’t have said it better. One of the foremost important actions on a team is to get 1 QB to be
“The Man”. Cutler fits this mold nicely. A Grad of Vanderbilt, (Hey, I’m from TN and saw him push,pull, and drag those Dr.s all over the field.) 2nd, Mike has the BRASS to reign him in and keep him under control. (See: V. Davis) 3rd, with “Big” Mike Runnin’ the ball, play action will be a no brainer! Josh Morgan, Isacc Bruce, Vernan Davis and Jason Hill could all easily make the Pro Bowl. 4th, there are always Lineman and DB’s who can be found for cheap in the later rounds of the draft. Finally, we now have 9 draft picks. If we can’t shore up a few of our woes with that many, the team is doomed anyway.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
As much as I can't deny..
Kurt Warner, was worth a shot, I just don’t see this guy as a 49er, and I don’t think the 49ers are willing to give up whoever is left at #10 ++? to get a QB, that alrady is haviong a problem with a new HC, and the durrent one is smaller, Singletary would make Cutler S*** his pants.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions
If the Lions want him
they’ll get him.
I don’t think the #1 in the draft is worth Cutler (because of the financial implications it comes with), so I think the Lions will have to work to warm the Broncos to the idea.
The biggest problem in all of this is that now Denver essentially cannot just find a trade suitor with a starting caliber QB available for trade in return. They’ve already thrown it out there that Cutler is indeed on the block, and there are only a few teams (Browns, Redskins) that could offer a quality QB in return.
If neither of those teams express interest, whom do the Broncos turn to, to trade Cutler? They surely wouldn’t want the cost of the number 1 pick going to an unproven QB over Cutler (who is considerably more affordable present day). Would they?
Would Denver accept Mark Roman for Jay Cutler? (LOL)
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions
I agree..
The Lions get him if they want him, but, you’re right do they? and I have this weird feeling, that the Buccs are gonna get him. I would love to see him end up a Redskin, that would be the best possible Scenario, for the entire NFL..lol!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Tamba Bay
Denver isn’t going to get a quality QB in return. Denver will be in the complete rebuild mode now and I could see Tampa Bay giving up two first rounders.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 31, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Grunden..
Was going after Farve last year.. and i think it’s very high on the Tampa Bay’s Brass’ list. Plus, they aren;t worried about emotional players, they’ve had emotiona coaches (Gruden, not that I don’t like Gruden.)
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I know..
.. probably cuz he couldn’t get Farve,,lol!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
No NFL franchise wants the #1 pick because of the financials involved. I heard Charlie Casserly the other day say when he was GM for the Texans he received zero offers trying to trade the pick. He admitted he was constantly trying to trade the pick and one GM even told him that the Texan’s had to give his team something in order to take the pick off his hands.
The Lions would have to give up several more of their top picks in order to entice Denver into taking the $70 million dollar liability that is the top pick in the draft.
Get him!
i wish the niners would put up some offer like there 10th pick. a 4th or 3rd or alex smith or roman. someone haha.
ok..
Alex and a 2nd rounder.. I’m all for that.. Still think he won’t work out with Singletary, though.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I really doubt Nolan wants Alex Smith in Denver
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah..
No one wants him, were stuck with him…
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
his hot wife wants him
that would be enough for me
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Hey..
If football games were one by how much hot chicks like you..
..THEN I SHOULD BE STARTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
haha i second that
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Ok then..
Who’s going to be third string..:)
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll put it this way..
If I had 20 million, the very last thing , I would do, is get married.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
and.. I'll put it this way..
What guy with 20 million, can;t get a hot chick?
Richard Simmons? heck even he could!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had 20 million, the very last thing , I would do, is get married
pre-nup FTW!
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Yeah..
But really whats the point.. A prenup? when they would stay with you just cuz you were rich anyways.. I highly doubt A. Smith had his wife sign a pre-nup, can anyone confirm this?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Highway robbery.
If the 49ers pulled of a trade for Cutler with just Smith and a second rounder, that would probably be one of the biggest capers in the history of NFL trades.
wud u guys trade
alex and our 10th pick this year for cutler? i would, screw developing another player, lets get a proven qb damn it
No..
Even though I’m so done with Alex.. Cutler ain’t worth a #10.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
why do
we always got to develop a player, he will take us to the playoffs, ill take that over the 10th pick
Shaun Hill..
..Will take us to the playoffs.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cutler is probably worth a 2nd and 4th, and I would throw in Alex just to piss off Nolan
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
RE: Cutler ain’t worth a #10
This is just stupid. He’s worth far more than a #10.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 31, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if thats the case..
..He’’ll be wearing red and gold.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Your logic is tragic
I guarantee you that if the Niners could get Cutler for only their 1st round pick they’d pull the trigger is a lickedy split second but it’s going to cost a team more than 1 first round pick, even if it’s #10.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 1, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
OK buddy..
We’ll see how smart you are!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Or
We’ll see how much you need to get a clue. I’m already in the upper echelon of the smartness hierarchy.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you really..
..want to join that club???
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh thats right..
I read that in the Denver Examiner yesterday.. lol
I’ll put you in the dog house, of mediocre combacks, and challenge you to any smartness contest..lol
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not teaming up..
..with anyone.. supraman, just happens to agree with me more than you. it’s not like we’re are on a team, I am sure, he could careless. The funny thing is.. you care so much. Popcorn moments, c;mon you guys can’y ou do better than Smartness, and popcorn moments?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You're moniker..
Makes that so obvious
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Cutler to Bears for (2) 1st Rounders, (1) 3rd Rounder and Orton
Confirms my membership in the upper echelon of the smartness heirachy.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's definitely..
..a shot in the dark.. and creative, for once..
..But the term.. Smartness Heirarcy, is absolutely hilarious.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 2, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think that by the time Cutler retires, he will have the new record for INT’s……or will that be Alex?
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
Cutler was drafted with the 11th pick. How the hell is he not worth the 10th pick? And please people stop with these stupid straight up for a second round pick. He is a pro-bowl QB it’s just showing lack of football knowledge.
I have to agree. Just say you don’t like/want Culter instead of throwing out a 2nd round pick.
Cutler = Proven NFL pro-bowl caliber QB who young enough to lead your franchise for next 10 years. That’s going to command heftiest price there is on the market.
I’d have to agree. If it was straight-up #10 for Cutler, I do it. I’d even throw in another pick (third-round or lower) to get it done. Shaun Hill may get this team above .500, but I don’t see him being the long-term QB that wins division titles every year and is a perennial Super Bowl contender. And I really like Shaun Hill. Jay Cutler has the potential to be a Hall of Famer.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
how is
a pro bowl QB entering the prime of his career not worth the tenth pick in the draft? If that’s what it takes, pull the trigger. If the bidding gets crazy, then pull out.
whut
the eff are you talking about. Yes he is. He’s worth the number 1 pick for god’s sake- you get a PROVEN NFL QB instead of a lottery ticket. How is that not worth it? He did what he did last year with a terrible defense and with literally NO running game
if you would learn how to read.....
you would have noticed that I wrote the sentence in the body as a follow up to my opening in bold above it. I was replying to a post above by Josh B that said that he was not worth the 10th pick. That is why there was a question mark after the sentence. My point was that he WAS worth the tenth pick.
OOOOPPPPSSSS actually now that I look at it
I owe you an apology!!! I saw it wrong. you were replying to some one else not me. Apparently I have to learn how to read!!!
I would do it...
… without even a second thought. Denver wouldn’t, though.
yes
absolutely – just because Cutler has the incredibly rare value of a proven star QB who is just at the very beginning of his career
the 10th pick isn’t as valuable because of the risk that comes with it
The only problem is that Alex Smith and the 10th pick might not be enough with 6-8 other teams all begging Denver to take their draft picks and spare parts instead.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
10 and 12 puts Denver in position to get what they want
Give’em Hill, too. I like the guy, a lot. But I’m not dumb enough to say he’s better than Cutler. Hill and our 10th pick this year and whatever else we end up giving is fine with me, save the keys to the kingdom and P Willy. The 10th pick they’d get from us and the 12th they already have puts them into position to get B.J. Raji and Sanchez.
Wanna hear some music?
id take cutler for
Alex smith and a future 1st and third.
I wouldn’t give up any of the first three picks of 09 they are very key for are “NEW APPROACH”
I would give up Gore for him straight up!!
Yes Gore, after that great 1600 yd season he’s carried less and fumbled more. This past season he had his least attempts in 3 years and his most fumbles.
If they would take Gore and a future 2 I’d take hiM. I’d then trade down for Brown from UCONN and take Latrell in the later rounds and also the speedster from FSU he had 33 reps at 225. Frank Gore does equal 3 rookie RB’s with tremendous upside.
I agree about not giving up any of this years picks, but not about Gore. Yeah he had less carries, but wouldn’t any RB in a Martz system?
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah..
It would be too big, of a gap to fill. I really think, the resigning of Norris is goingt o have a HUGE impact on Gore’s #‘s this year, a fantasy must, but I don’t do that.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
I bet we swing our first and second round to the pats so they’ll send Brady to Denver and Denver will send us Jay!
I keed.
Wanna hear some music?
IF Brady was ever to leave.. the Pats..
.. it would’ve happened this year, when they still had Cassell.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was kidding.
I’d have to say our biggest advantage is that we’re an NFC team. That and the fact simply plugging him in to our offense won’t make us legitimate SB contenders. Obviously it’ll be highest bidder and all that, but if Cutler goes to Minnesota…. Eeeesh don’t even want to think about that.
Wanna hear some music?
Minnesota..
..that might be the worst case scenario? could that even happen?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Seahawks might be worst case scenario with Housh and drafting Crabtree nice duo for Cutler to throw to
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant..
For the NFL.. but for the 49ers, yes this would not be entertaining.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I meant for the NFL, too.
But you’re right about Seattle. That nearly makes me vomit.
Wanna hear some music?
Ok ..
Someone might be spying.. Lets not give them any ideas?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah minnesota has AP, but they don’t have WR’s that match up to a Brandon Marshall or Eddie Royal
by sundaysfinest on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they don't have Marshall or Royal
But they’ve got Berrian, Rice, and Shiancoe.
Berrian 2008 stats – 964 yard, 48 catches, 7 td
Rice 2008 stats – 146 yards, 15 catches, 4 td
Shiancoe – 596 yard, 42 catches, 7 td
Marshall had 6 TD and only 300 more passing yards than Berrian. Yes, Marshall had to miss a couple games and is no doubt a better receiver. But that’s not the point. With ADP keeping teams honest, and by honest I mean REALLY honest, Cutler won’t have any trouble slinging the ball I think it’d be safe to say Berrian could easily have 1,200+ yards with 9+ TD. Not to mention how Cutler will keep the defense honest, too. ADP should have no problem running (not that he really does anyway) when teams are too scared of Cutler dropping 6 on them.
Wanna hear some music?
And another noteworthy thing
Marshall had 104 catches last season with 1,265 yards and a 12.2 average. That’s more than double the catches and only 300 more yards. Berrian averages 20.2 per touch. If Berrian got 104 catches and IF, and it’s a very large if, he had the same average of 20.2 per touch he would be looking at 2,100 yard reception season. If that doesn’t make you scared, you’re a better man than me.
Wanna hear some music?
Ok Ok...
man, I really don;t want to see Seattle or Minnesota get him, this is scary, lets just hoe he goes to the Buccs..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
Well Broncos are a west coast offense I believe. Are we west coast offense? Then screw #10 and maybe 4th or 5th or whatever. Cutler is proven QB. Although is record doesn’t show it but our defense is better than the Broncos. So, what number will Cutler be wearing?
Trade the number 10 pick and Lawson for Cutler!
Done Deal!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
49ers, are way to thin..
at OLB.. for that to happen.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
They can draft another couple OLB’s
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
oops..
Missed the reply feature, not sure how, but whatever, my reply is below..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't..
See the 49ers, getting rid of Lawson and expect to replace him, in this years draft, especially if they don;t get one at #10
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions
So, assuming for a minute that the 49ers don't land him
for whatever reason, how does this effect the draft? So far as I can see, it means one less team looking to trade up. Unless Denver want to, of course.
On the other hand, should Detroit get him, then there will be two QBs considered first round worthy, so teams might be less inclined to trade up to ten to get one, if they are both dropping.
On the other hand, should a team really rate Stafford, and he falls to ten… well?
Just some thoughts
what have i got myself into this time... http://damiansthirtyyearchallenge.blogspot.com/
by alea iacta est on Mar 31, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions
If the Lions tkae Cutler..
the #10 pick, just went down in value..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Mar 31, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Look for the Broncos to go after whatever they think will get them Sanchez
My best guess is McDaniel’s is a betting man (since he is a Belichick guy, and Belichick is a Parcell’s guy). They’ve got a potential starter/dependable backup in Simms. Sanchez going anywhere and being asked to start immediately… Well, I’d have to say good luck to that team. But Sanchez going to play behind a guy for a year and learning the ropes not only from Simms, who before his season ending spleen injury that he played the rest of the game on, but from McDaniels, too. I don’t have any idea where Cutler ends up, but I do know that Sanchez, given time and a good mentor, can be a very good QB. He didn’t play for USC for no reason.
Wanna hear some music?
Do whatever it takes!
offer the whatever they want. He is the perfect franchise qb (minus the whining). Please please keep fingers crossed that the niners get involved!
take a read at this post from maioccos blog- very interesting
"Instead of flying to SoCal, McC should fly to Tennesse or wherever Cutler is hiding out and meet w/Buss, LOL.
As far as Cleveland goes, Quinn is the guy the Browns paid dearly for so why move him when he barely started to play last year and show progress? I realize Cutler’s better at this stage but CLE gave up a boatload for Quinn.
Detroit can use him but Denver doesn’t have the dough to for the #1 pricetag. They can try to trade but not having a clearcut #1 overall pick, it’ll be hard to try to entice others for a trade w/them knowing you can’t pony up the loot.
Jacksonville might have the ammo but, c’mon it’s Jacksonville…
Which brings us to SF. The #10 pick is a reasonable pick that doesn’t break your bank. We trade the #10, the #2 next year and Shawn Hill. The Alex Smith lovers would be appeased, Denver gets a serviceable QB, Sanchez would probably fall to them, and they get a #2 as well. If they didn’t want Hill, I’d offer Lawson and an additional mid-round pick. Call me crazy but what’s he done to make him untouchable?
Please don’t give me the “He was injured and playing out of position bull…” He couldn’t get on the field last year on 3rd downs! Ummm, that’s not good. If he goes to Denver and turns into Julian Petersen in SEA I could live w/that as long as we get a franchise QB in return. What if he stays here and turns into the guy who couldn’t get on the field last year on 3rd downs?
CHI and NYJ are possibilities but their picks won’t land Sanchez or Stratford.
If we can try to get Warner, we can defintely try for Cutler. Cutler is the ONLY reason Denver won 7 games last year. W/out him, Denver’s picking in the top 5 of the ’09 draft."
Maioccos nows what he is talking about
I have to agree every point he made except the Browns would be more willing to give up on Quinn than he indicated.
maiocco didn't make that comment
If you go to Maiocco’s post about Cutler, cuse7284’s comment is a comment made by somebody named faith71. They one in the same?
by David Fucillo on Mar 31, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry for not being clear
i still like what this guy said
+eleventy billion
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I don’t know that there’s not too many people on the niners that I wouldn’t trade for Cutler, save a few special ones. I don’t care if we are a run first team, this guy is legit.
Wanna hear some music?
Willis, Lawson, Clements, Gore, J. Smith, J. HIll, J. Morgan, V. Davis
other than that, anyone is available.
This is a stupid comment
the Broncos will not be all that interested in the number 10 pick, because they’re picking 12th. Do we think the Bills would take Sanchez? Maybe, but I doubt the Broncos would be that worried about it. Also, anyone who thinks that trading Lawson is a good idea hasn’t been paying attention- Mike Nolan was the reason he was kept off the field. The guy is very very good, and now has coaches that will actually show that.
What I’d do is offer this and next year’s 1st, and next year’s 3rd, and then add Shaun Hill. That’s about the price you’d pay if Cutler were a restricted FA, and that is completely worth it to get a guy who will lead you to the playoffs for the next 10 years. I don’t know if that’s enough for the Broncos- it depends on what other teams will offer, but I think that’s at least a good starting point in the negotiations.
Why wouldn't they be interested in 10?
It’s not just about QB. The Broncos are switching to a completely new scheme (for them) and only DJ Williams is a proven every-down player in their front seven. If they draft at 10 and 12, they have the luxury of taking a QB and the best defensive player available.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
This is true
and wonderful. I just have a feeling that a team within the top 10 will want to trade their pick, and Denver will probably be more interested in that. However, given their cap situation, 10 might be perfect for them. This is what I’m hoping.
This is what I’d be more afraid of. Browns and Seahawks could both jump in.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yes,
especially the damn seahawks. If he goes to the NFC west I will really be angry. Our only hope is that Denver’s salary cap keeps them from being able to/wanting to pay a top 5 draft pick…or that neither of those teams are interested.
DJ Williams.
I remember when he was at DLS and he completely whooped my ass in the 100 yard dash :)
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I think...
… people called him a machine back then. The guy was just a ridiculous athlete.
Lets see out of the teams mentioned here is handicap of their ability to land Culter:
1st.
Browns – the 5th pick would be enticing. Denver is essentially looking for BJ Raji in the draft and would land him with the 5th pick (I watched a Denver interview the other day and teams broadcaster stated Raji was at the top of their board) . They could still potentially land Mark Sanchez with their own 12 pick. Also, the Browns can throw a QB in the deal if the Broncos are interested.
2nd.
49ers – the 10th pick is also very enticing to Denver. It’s a high pick, but with reasonable price tag. Again they could get Raji. Even better they can eliminate the 49ers from taking Raji. With the 10th pick they can select Mark Sanchez than get Raji as the 12th pick.
3rd.
Jets – probably the most desperate for Cutler but the 17th pick isn’t the most attractive and not a better pick than what Denver has now. Also, Jets gave away some future picks last year getting Brett Farve and would have trouble sweetening the deal.
4th.
Bears – 18th pick and could probably offer some defensive personnel. However, the Bears blue chippers aren’t considered young anymore so I don’t know how enticing they may still be.
5th.
Lions – a trade with Denver won’t involve the 1st pick. Taking the first pick is like accepting someone’s balloon loan just as it’s about to expand. Lions best offer would be 20th pick plus a few others. Still, can the Lions afford to give up multiple picks with so many glaring holes to fill?
6th.
Bucs – 19th pick is no better than the Jet’s 17th. Problem with Tampa Bay is they cut half their team already and cannot afford to give up more picks because they desperately need them to fill the roster for 2009.
by bignerd on Mar 31, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Going on this notion
I’d say the 49ers are a serious contender in it. Not that the others aren’t or anything.
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I’m basing my analysis that Denver is looking for picks. I don’t expect another legit QB to be offered in a trade which also means Denver would need to land Stafford or Sanchez in the draft in order to move on.
Once again
I agree completely. I think McDaniels wants “his guy” so to speak.
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Jacksonville, Seattle and Washington are strong possible suitors.
Jacksonville has could offer the 9th pick but traditionally the team hasn’t been enamored with QB’s. They want to return to Jack Del Rio’s roots of physical football and trading for Culter doesn’t exactly fit that plan.
Seattle offering the 4th pick is another good offer. If Holgrem was still on the team I would expect the Seahawks to get this done because Mike knows better than anyone that you need a QB to win and he would start the rebuild process with Cutler. Instead, the pigeons have Mora who will complete the process of running that franchise into the ground.
Washington Redskins . . . now they are scary. Snyder is fully capable of offering a Herschel Walker type deal to the Broncos believing he can win the SB the next 2 years with Cutler and Haynesworth. If it doesn’t work out, who cares if the Redskins don’t have a draft pick for the next 7 years, Snyder will continue try to build his team through free agency like he always has.
What about a 3-way?
Perhaps with Cleveland. Picks/Players to Cleveland, Quinn/Anderson to Denver, Cutler to San Fran? I mean I’m sure it’d be a lot more complicated than that, and that if a 3-way were to occur that would be a mere skeleton of the actual deal.
I don’t see Jax or Seattle being a big player here, especially with the points you’ve already made. Dan Snyder hates the draft though, and out of those three I would say he’d be the most obvious contender. Well, except they’ve already got Campbell and Brennan and seem to be happy with those two.
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Three ways short my circuit, too many variables to analyze.
The only three way I’ve been able to conceive would involve the 49ers and Jets . . . but the Jets would get Cutler. The 49ers would take advantage of the Jet’s desperation and take the Jets 17th pick with a few possible 2nd or 3rd rounders . . . maybe picks in future drafts. The Jets would thus package the 10th pick to the Broncos for Cutler.
Yeah, I can see that happening, too.
When it comes to a highly sought after QB being traded, the possibilities are endless. Before we know it the Colts will be bringing in Cutler and sliding Peyton to Tight End.
In all seriousness, if I were going to speculate, out of three places, where Cutler ends up I think I’d have to say it would go Cleveland, Jets, and Niners in no particular order. For some reason I really see Cleveland dealing their first round pick and Quinn and getting things done.
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I checked the Browns board. I should have known Cleveland isn’t that into the internet. Interesting enough, reading the few posts from the Browns fans they still seemed more enamored on using the #5 on Okapo and trying to relive the bruising black and blue image of the Brown’s past. Also, in the the fans opinion they already have Jay Cutler in Brady Quinn so the trade doesn’t net a gain in the fans mind.
The possibility of...
getting Jay Cutler and getting RID OF Alex Smith in one trade is too good to be true. As a Niners fan displaced in Colorado who ended up watching all 16 of the Broncos game last year, Jay Cutler is worth overpaying for. He pretty much single-handedly carried a team with no defense, no running backs, and near the top of the league in drops to almost reaching the playoffs. A QB with his physical ability, competitive fire, and knowledge of the game is extremely rare, and if all we had to give up are draft picks and Alex “Biggest Mistake Ever” Smith, that’s something all 49er fans should be rooting for.
Thank you
for bringing some sense to the discussion. I had him in fantasy and he won me my league. I know that’s not a basis for trades, but yeah. He’s worth every penny you need to pay to get him
also agreed
some profanity, but drives the point home
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/03/but-seriously-what-the-hell-is-denver-doing.html
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Cutler hasn't shown he can win. He only needed to win one of the last 3 games last year and couldn't
I have read that Denver would take is a starting QB in return. Remember Cutler is a problem for Denver now, not an asset. Smith for Cutler sounds about fair. I wouldn’t give up more than one draft pick for Cutler even Cassel was only worth a 2nd round pick.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Hasn't shown he can win?
Isn’t every QB tagged with this argument until they actually win. John Elway couldn’t win either til he led the drive that beat the Browns and the rest was history. Than he couldn’t win til 1997 when Denver finally had a team around capable of winning the SB. Peyton Manning couldn’t win, Eli couldn’t either. Dan Marino never won, Steve Young sorta won . . . I never like this argument.
The only QBs I can recall in my life time never to be hit with the “could not win” tag are:
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
These 3 guys won instantly, thus avoided the talk.
One guy can carry the team for only so long
Look at Clinton Portis. Portis, in my absolute honest opinion, is the only reason the Skins played well for the first part of the season. However, he ran out of fuel. Im pretty sure i dont know anyone who would argue that Clinton Portis isn’t worth a big trade because hasn’t really been able to win all the games for Skins. Dude’s an absolute monster.
Cutler has done his fair share and more to win for Denver. He’s 25 and a Pro Bowl selection coming off a 4000+ passing yard season. This isn’t basketball. One guy won’t get you into the playoffs.
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This. And come on, the reason they were in the race at the end was Hochuli’s blown call. This is football. You start 24+ guys. That team had about 3 good players. Cutler has never had a running back as good as Gore or a defense as good as ours (and honestly, ours isn’t great…yet). Give him a team and I bet he’ll do big things.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I'm not gonna say anything,
because it’s out of my control.
But unless we get rid of BamBam or VP Al,
I will be impartial either way.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
Here's hoping...
that me breaking out of my lurker shell and extending my SBNation membership from McCoveyChronicles to here somehow convinces Joe Pesci to get Cutler in San Francisco.
This kid is a natural athlete. He had great talent in basketball and baseball as well, so he should start for the Warriors and Giants, too.
Aurilia sounds like a planet out of StarFox.
+1
Your signature – I friggin love StarFox
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 1, 2009 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
welcome and thanks for joining
We’ll see if that can make it happen.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a confirmed Alex Smith backer
but if there is a chance to get Cutler without breaking the bank when it comes to draft picks, I say go for it. Alex has the potential to be a very good QB. Jay already is a pro bowl caliber QB and would seem to be for years to come.
by the way, I didn't include Shaun Hill above for a reason
I don’t think he is a long term answer. For a year or two he might be ok, but Alex (playing up to his potential) or Jay would give the 49ers a QB they could depend on for a number of years.
But what does Cutler feel?
I mean, if you’re gonna bring in this primadonna how does Lil’ Jay feel about sourdough and crab?
As far as A. Smith to Denver, not if Nolan has anything to say about it. And maybe Smith would balk at it too. And Hill has no value on the open market.
As for what Denver is going to do for a quarterback, Jeff Garcia is out there. He can do a serviceable job for them for a year or two, if the team is really in a rebuilding mode. Denver needs to find a defensive line.
I don’t think that Cutler is as good as people think he is, and I don’t think that the Niners’ QB situation is as bad as people make it out to be. I’d rather see them work on the O and D lines, get a fast receiver, a decent running back and then pick up a QB for development in a later round. All of the holes in the roster will be there whether or not Cutler is under the center. Cutler won’t be the savior here, and if he’s not then expect a temper tantrum coming out of his frustration somewhere along the line.
Then again, maybe McDaniels is such an a-hole that Cutler is just the first of many off the sinking ship.
Dunno, but I don’t think that Cutler will be worth it. Would be interesting, though.
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions
no.
This whiny little girl just pouted his way off this team. This is the guy you want running your offense and the future of your franchise?
This is the guy you want running your offense and the future of your franchise?
umm yes. He has a problem with the Denver Broncos, not the San Francisco 49ers. What have we ever done to him? He has no reason to come to his new team with a bad attitude because he knows that he is now on a team that wants him as their QB. He has every reason to come to new team and play his {site decorum} off to show McDaniels and the Broncos brass that they messed up trying to trade him away. So yes. I would be happy with him running our offense for the next 10 years.
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if
he stays happy for 10 years. be lucky to have him happy for 2 years. the TO of QBs? He is gonna start complaining within 18 months of arriving on whatever team he winds up on.
What are you talking about?
Jesus, people who keep saying this don’t know what they’re talking about. TO had no reason to get all pissed off, Cutler lost his entire coaching staff and then had some jackass 31 year-old come in and try to trade him immediately. Wouldn’t that get you a little upset? His character is not an issue.
exactly bondslegend
Cutler has a legitimate beef. Is he handling it the right way? Probably not, but there is really no evidence to say he will be anything other then happy playing for a team that has shown they actually want him as their QB.
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I think he's handling it perfectly
you disrespect your starter like that, you deserve to lose him. They’re trying to spin it to the public as “oh, we were just evaluating our options!”, but anyone who buys that is a moron. McDaniels never wanted Cutler, he was just trying to keep him happy until he could unceremoniously dump him for Cassel. I think it’s actually a positive that Cutler responded like he did
well
it doesnt matter because the 49ers arent getting him, he’s going to the Jets or Lions And i’m glad. that guy is a little bitch.
Should Hill have thrown a hissy
over Warner?
He didn’t. Hill always handles things like a pro.
And not returning the owner’s call is more than just the heat of the moment. He’s gaming to get out of Denver. Getting replaced when someone better than you comes along is part of sports. I don’t find Cutler’s behavior very inspiring.
Would he be an upgrade for the Niners? Yeah, but he’d still be playing with the same players Hill or Smith would be playing with.
After 2007 I doubt that Smith would go within 500 miles of where Nolan is employed. So what’s he worth for the Niners to get him? What part of the team are you willing to sacrifice to get a somewhat better than average quarterback?
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Somewhat better than average? I’m not buying this. He’s very very good. 4500yds and 25TDs good. And he did that with no running game (defenses dropping everyone into coverage) and no defense (playing down, pass-rushers pinning their ears back). If anything, the Niners have a more complete offense and he can help make the receivers better.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No they aren't.
:O
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
You are just so off here
Shaun Hill wasn’t the number 11 overall pick in a draft. Shaun Hill is not Jay Cutler, and he knows it. He respects that a team might want a better QB. Jay Cutler is an established player with a history of playing very well. He had a new coaching staff come in, tell him they were excited to work with him, and then immediately try to trade him. How is that in any way similar to what happened with Hill? Shaun Hill was a third string QB who got a chance to compete for a starting job, then had his team try to go out and get a proven starter instead. That is not an apt comparison.
Also, the fact that you think Cutler is “somewhat better than average” belies your lack of credibility. The guy single-handedly carried a terrible team to within one game of the playoffs last year. No defense, no run game. It was ALL him, and he was great. If he came to SF, they would win the division this year and be serious contenders in the entire conference.
You’ll notice I don’t have Smith being traded in any of my proposals- he holds less value to other teams than Hill does, and I think he’s still going to be pretty good. He’s worth holding on to
Hill carried the Niners to within a game of the playoffs
in half a season.
And, no, I have no credibility. Just my opinion. And Jed York hasn’t been returning my phone calls either.
I didn’t think Warner was the answer, but at least it was the Yorks’ money and he wouldn’t have cost any draft picks.
I don’t think that the improvement you get with Cutler is worth what Denver is probably asking. But if there’s a deal, let’s see what the cost is.
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I love shaun hill and what he’s done, but Jay Cutler transforms your team. You get him and you don’t need to worry about your offense anymore. Shaun Hill is a very good game manager, but Cutler is a game changer, the kind of player that doesn’t come around very often. You take guys like that when you get the chance, even if it costs you a little bit. The improvement is absolutely worth it.
This
This this this.
- + Shaun Hill/Alex Smith + another pick or two = no more worrying about QB. I’m not a big fan of drafting a QB at 10, but drafting Cutler there is a different story.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Formatting all messed up...
… but I completely agree with what you’re saying. Basically, why not acquire a star QB for two or three draft picks (i.e. probably two firsts and a second or third) and remove the question marks or risks associated with draft picks. As everyone knows, draft picks, even first rounders, have a hard time panning out as planned.
I don’t think Denver would want Hill or Smith. If they do, more power to them, though.
Hill
would be a decent placeholder for whoever their young QB is, and he might even impress them and earn a starting role. Problem is that McDaniels wants a high-flying attack…
I guess...
… what I meant to say is that Denver wouldn’t place much value on Smith or Hill. They’d basically be throw ins, more than big parts of the trade. In other words, I think it’d still take two firsts plus throw ins (whether it be Smith/Hill, or more draft picks).
Absolutely
I think it’s going to have to be a pick-central offer, because the niners just don’t have that much talent available. Hopefully that’s what Denver will want.
April Fools joke
We’ve got our first Cutler April Fools joke. Seems real, but read through the stuff after the Cutler portion.
And the disclaimer at the bottom
webzone does this every year, and they nail it every year. Hilarious.
That said, that trade proposal doesn’t seem too outrageous to me. Maybe not 3 picks and 2 players, but they really need to get this deal done.
this lol
Arizona Cardinals QB Kurt Warner will no longer be using his trademark gloves on the field this season. When asked why he merely responded with, “God told me not to wear them.” No word from the team as to how this will affect his throwing motion.
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oops
missed this before I put up the fanpost… oh well
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
This guy
is worth our next 2 number 1s at least. Do you really want to pass up a proven GREAT quarterback for 2 lottery tickets? Especially this year, when there isn’t a ton of great options at 10. Of course, the Broncos are picking 12th, so that may not be a very enticing offer to them. Either way, this guy is worth whatever the niners have to do to get him.
If they get him, we win the division. It’s that simple.
If they have the 10th and 12th pick
That’s two picks in the top 15. Plus it keeps us out of the running for Raji, Orakpo, and Sanchez. My best guess is they’d love to snag 2 of those 3 and that’s very possible at 10 and 12 minus Orakpo. But, I agree. Our next two number ones are worth Cutler. If the front office gives them up plus a mid rounder in either of the two drafts plus player x, I don’t see how we don’t get him.
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I agree
with samhitch. Having the 10th, then 12th pick may be enticing for the Broncos especially since they will essentially be in rebuilding mode.
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Not too mention the affordability.
It’d kill a teams cap if they had the 12th and number 1. 10th and 12th are two picks that won’t necessarily break the bank. I’d much rather have the 10th and the 12th instead of the 1st and the 20th. Cutler was taken at a 11 and I think his Denver deal is about 46 million.
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HELL NO TO CUTLER NO BITCHASSNESS AROUND HERE
HE ACTS LIKE A KID, COACH SING WANTS WINNER NOT CRY BABIES HE NEEDS TO STOP ACTING LIKE A BABY AND PICK UP THE PHONE AND TALK TO THE MAN THAT IS PAYING HIM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND TELL HIM HOW HE FEELS AND WAT HE WANT TO DO. STOP BEING A B**** ABOUT IT, IT THE NFL IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS.
YEAH!
GIT R DUN NINERZ BRAS!!!!
Caps lock is completely unnecessary.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
LoL
I like this picture.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 1, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
sing?
you don’t think sing could whoop that boy into submission in less that 10 min. on the practice field? I’m not worried about character, that was a Mike Nolan problem, but that is because he didn’t have players’ respect. Neither does McDaniels. Sing has respect from the player and he can tame any wild bronco!
While I agree
The caps aren’t necessary.
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny...
… how so many comments in the thread think the 49ers can’t afford to give up multiple high picks for this guy. Cutler is beyond a starting-caliber QB. The guy can be a perennial Pro Bowler if he has some weapons around him (which the 49ers are working on).
As a few people have mentioned, it will likely take at least a first and a second to land him. Denver, but unloading Cutler, will now be going into a “full rebuild” mode. They will want to collect picks as well as young talent.
Also, what’s this nonsense about Cutler not being worth a first rounder? Cutler’s probably worth (at the very least) two. He’s a developed starting QB who will definitely become the team’s #1 QB for years to come (as the 49ers have plenty of cap space to lock him up long-term).
If Denver was willing to take this year’s #10 as well as next year’s first rounder for Cutler, I don’t think I’d even blink. Heck, if they want those picks AND a second or third rounder this year, I probably wouldn’t blink. As bondslegend puts it best, “Do you really want to pass up on a proven GREAT quarterback for 2 lottery tickets?” I wouldn’t.
First rounder? No way! They’d have to throw in Brandon Marshall, too! And even then I’m not sure I’d do that deal! I mean, what have the two of them done, REALLY??? I’d say nothing, that’s what they’ve done!
/snark
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Lucky
You’re SO lucky you had the end snark tag at the end :)
seriously?
You wouldn’t give up a first rounder? How many of our first rounders have produced recently other than P. Willy? Balmer (aaahhh nope). How bout Smith (aaahhh nope). You can’t predict that any drafted player will perform on this level to the extent that we want. Cutler has proven he is a great QB and I would be excited to watch niner games every week when I knew we had a guy who could throw the ball and wouldn’t turn it over every possesion…
i'm retarded....
i spent time writing a nice post to something that was total bs… lol. April Fool’s on me!!!
so true
but here people have a 0% irony meter…
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sarcasm meters
are in short supply as well
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
April Fools!!
Great Joke Broncos!!
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Possibly?
What if the Broncos front office is just playing a cruel joke on everyone?
Thought about that.
Really, though? Cutler would have to be in on it. Otherwise, there’s no way the front office could expect him to be happy about it.
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True.
The only way the front office pulls this sort of prank is if they patched things up with Cutler first.
If they did, though
And Cutler was in fact in on it.. It’d be the most Epic of April Fools jokes ever. Even better than the Phillies trading Kendrick for Kobayashi last year.
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Does the signing of Bruce increase the attractiveness of the 49ers to Cutler?
Thoughts?
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 1, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions
Note: Bruce not re-signed, just not retiring...
Sorry for the Mental Hernia
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably
Doesn’t really matter as far as the trade goes, though. But, I think Cutler would be happy here. Isaac Bruce gives him a solid wide out for at least a year and all the potential we have at WR has to help, too.
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Trade
I agree that it doesn’t really affect the trade that much. Cutler doesn’t quite hold too much power in where he ends up. I guess he could always say “okay, I’ll play nice and return to the Broncos,” but that’s really the only way. He still has three years (I think?) on his deal, so a team that acquires him doesn’t have to convince him right off the bat that he should sign an extension, so I don’t think that is really a stipulation in any trade.
Any team
that gets Cutler will lock him up for longer than that. That’s the smart move IMO- make him happy right away
If anything, I’d bet the opposite occurred. The front office assured Bruce that they are going to make a significant play for Cutler in trying to convince Bruce to stick around. Or, at least, I hope that’s what happened. I don’t really think it would have much impact on Cutler though.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Two words:
Josh Morgan. If Bruce leads him here, then fine. But Morgan will keep him here. Dude is a STUD, and so is Hill. Our FO hit a couple homers with those guys
well April Fool's has run it's course....
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Someone sent this to me this morning
The fact that it coincided with a ESPN report that Denver is shopping Cutler gave it initial legitimacy. For one brief moment I was bursting with exciting about the Jay Cutler era. Then, as it becamse increasingly obvious that the page was a prank, those hopes were dashed. Really ruined my morning.
Also, for the record, I am very in favor of a very strong offer for Cutler.
An alternate idea
if nothing gets done before the draft, then I think the niners could possibly work out a deal a-la Manning and Rivers a few years ago- if Sanchez drops to ten, you take him and work a deal to trade him and a couple picks to Denver for Cutler. That takes a LOT of things going right, though
And nothing happenning until April 25th
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 1, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You know...
… things are bad when you start drafting players and banking that you can trade them. Sanchez is a talented player, no doubt. But if he’s chosen, he shouldn’t be chosen with some notion that Denver will want him. There’s three weeks and then some to get a deal done. Sanchez can likely be had with the #10 pick, and if the Broncos haven’t traded for it by then (or by the #10 pick), then they probably don’t want him.
well yes,
you would obviously work it out in advance. The point is, if it gets to that point, then you don’t just trade them the pick, you take the player, then trade that player to them so you can maybe get something more in return
On the fence- Humpty fell....
to the side opposing the trade. I’ve given this some critical thought over the last day+ while slacking off at work, and I’ve concluded the Niners should absolutely not be trying to acquire Cutler. Reasons why:
1. He wears his hat like a jackass, ya know with his hair, excuse me, his bangs coming out the front.
2. I like the guy we have, ya know, the team player who gives the ball to an O-lineman to spike the ball. The guy with a better winning percentage than d-bag Cutler… what’s his name again? oh yea, Shaun Hill, our starting QB.
3. He’s not worth the asking price, flat out. Report is multiple 1st rd picks (this yr and another’s) and an impact defensive starter is the beginning. I’m not parting with anyone considered an impact defensive player on the niners.
4. He’s a crybaby. What was Shaun Hill’s response to Martz bringing in O’sullivan last year and losing the job (yes he deserved the job from the beginning of last year)? He bucked up and still played well. Cutler, on the other hand, seems entitled and is not Joe Montana (last time I checked)- who by the way was once traded.
5. Continuity. 7 OC’s in 7 years. Now we want to bring in another QB? Not gonna do it, wouldn’t be prudent.
6. Finally. I don’t imagine Coach Singletary putting up with crybaby Cutler for too long if he decides he’s better than the situation he’s being put into. I want Humble. I want Confident. I want a Competitor. I want Continuity (as much as possible given the current situation). And I want to use these draft picks- Damnit.
You can have your humble,
and shove it right up your backside. I want a guy who’s good at playing football, and jay cutler is better at playing football than the other 2 guys we have on the team. He’s “confident” and a “competitor” whatever the hell that even means, but he’s also really good at playing football. That’s more important than your ethereal BS. Get him, your ticket to the playoffs is punched. I’m sorry, you don’t want to go to the playoffs?
A little meaner...
… than I’d put it, but exactly. Cutler, believe it or not, puts the team a lot closer to being a playoff contender than Oher/Brown/Maybin/Maclin/Harvin do.
But that's not the point
Denver is going to demand, and get, more than just the #10 pick (ie Oher/Brown/Maybin/Maclin/Harvin). You also need to account for whatever other compensation a team like the Niners would have to give up. For what bonbrillio spelled out as the cost of acquiring Cutler, two first round picks and an impact defensive player (which may or may not be the starting asking price) I’m not sold that Cutler is worth it. Don’t get me wrong, he’s immensely talented but I really don’t like how he’s handled this whole situation and who knows what kind of trouble this poor attitude could cause later.
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by methodrampage on Apr 1, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Attitude.
I guess it really all boils down to whether or not his attitude issues are a bother. If you’re of the belief that he’ll continue to (or eventually) complain about something, then you’ll believe he isn’t worth the investment. If you think this big blowup is an aberration to reality, then the pick may be worth it.
For what it’s worth, the 49ers don’t really have an impact defensive player that the Broncos would want (unless they want one of the 49ers many highly paid veterans, as I’m also assuming the 49ers don’t trade Willis) or hold to much value in a trade. I think, in the 49ers case, the Broncos would much rather have an extra draft pick to take their own impact player.
As I’ve said before, I don’t think he handled this situation very well, either. However, I feel that it’s more likely a one time thing (at least to this severity) with him.
well, in cutler's defense
A new guy came into town and immediately tried to trade Cutler for “his” guy.
It’d be like your mom marrying a dude, and that immediately moving your bedroom out to the garage.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 1, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh.
Oh, I agree he has a valid beef with management, or at least his new (or soon to be former) head coach. The way he handled it was very “lets pout and get outta here” instead of speaking to the front office. I’m not saying that the front office deserved that much, I’m just saying Cutler could have been the bigger man and went to them instead of playing their games and working the media.
You can’t really blame McDaniels either, though. It was, supposedly, possible for them to get a starting QB AND a first round pick for Cutler. I don’t think very many head coaches pass that opportunity up, especially if the QB is someone you work with and have a high sense of belief/trust in.
It's nothing like your mom
You would have had a history with your mom. McDaniels and Cutler have no history. McDaniels was trying to trade Cutler for Cassell, who was his guy, and draft picks. Honestly, if McDaniels really has that much confidence in Cassell it would have been a smart move for a rebuilding team.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
In this scenario
Cutler’s mom is the Denver Broncos. McDaniels is the dude his mom married. McDaniels came in and said “Hey Kid, your room is now in the garage”.
That’s what I meant by that scenario, not McDaniels being Cutler’s mom, but the dude his mom married.
And I’m not saying trading for Cassel would’ve been stupid, because obviously McD has some familarity with Cassel, I’m just saying Cutler handled the situation because he was drafted to be the guy in Denver, and now with a new regime, he’s not. I’d be pissed too.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 2, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying
But then it would be like McDaniels letting Culter back in the house and into his old room but with Cutler being a know-it-all teenager says “F you! I don’t need you, or my mom, I’m moving out”. Then the slutty mom and the jerk step-dad say “Good riddance”, get drunk and do unmentionable things.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
I think Cutler’s reaction to the team saying “we want you” was when it started getting silly. His initial reaction was normal, to an extent, but when mom and dad found out he was mad, they tried to bridge the gap.
and for the record, lol @ the slutty mom and jerk stgep dad line.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 2, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
This also made me laugh, but Method… This didn’t happen to you, did it?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
"All...
…I wanted was a Pepsi! And she wouldn’t give it to me!"
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's very mature
I recall him getting into a tissy fit with Rivers a year or two back and at the time I thought Rivers a douche because I really like Cutler. Now I have serious doubts about Cutler’s mental toughness and maturity.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
so,
now any NFL player who fights with another player on the field is immature? Well, that certainly narrows down the list of people you want on your team…
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Different players, different standards
I would be more open to taking talented immature at positions other than QB. Your QB is the leader of not only the offense but of your team. I now Cutler is immensely talented I just don’t know how good the head on his shoulders is. I would be skeptical of any overly sensitive, mentally soft, immature QB. With that said, I would give up the #10 pick for Cutler but he’ll cost more than that and it’s that additional cost that would deter me.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Even Montana sparred with other players
that’s a fact of life in the NFL
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We're not talking about sparring
You don’t get the issue here. Look we all understand that thoughts of Culter dancing with sugar plum fairies gets you all hot and bothered and if that works for you, great. Who am I to judge, right? But Montana would have never reacted to this situation in the manner tha Cutler did and that’s the issue here.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
How do we know?
we don’t even know for sure what happened. The 49ers’ management was never stupid enough to alienate their QB like the Broncos have
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Culter alienated himself
The Broncos didn’t alienate him. Cutler wouldn’t hear anything that McDaniels had to say. McDaniels may have made a mistake but it certainly wasn’t the travesty that Culter is trying to make it out to be.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
But you don't know that
all you know is what the Broncos are telling you. ITS A CONSPIRACY.
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And...
that’s exactly my point.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks...
Method for driving my point.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you on this. I don’t think Denver’s going to end up getting two #1s, so it definitely becomes more palatable. Plus, no one’s going to give up a top defender here. I think it’ll end up being: 1 + 3 + future 2/3 + small change player. I’d do that.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
What if...
… it were a first, second, and third in this year’s draft instead of the future 2/3 you mention?
That’s tough. The top three picks? Phh. I don’t know. It’s tempting, but tough.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I think...
… I would do it without a second thought. For one, the 49ers seem like they may be left royally screwed with the #10 pick. From the looks of it, it’s very possible that the 49ers will come up to pick without the likes of Brown, Orakpo, Crabtree, or Raji on the board. That leaves them deciding between the likes of Sanchez, Harvin/Maclin, Oher/A.Smith, or Jenkins. Second, the second round looks like the perfect spot for them to pick up a RT, but with the acquisition of M.Smith, that’s not necessarily necessary. Lastly, they haven’t really done a whole lot with their recent third rounders.
I think Cutler is definitely worth those three picks. Also, being able to acquire Cutler without any future picks tied to him seems to be a huge plus, as you never know what next year’s draft class may bring.
I’m inclined to agree with you on this. But it is a lot to give. The second round is the last place we could reasonably expect to get a talented pass-rusher like Michael Johnson or Clint Sintim. I still think we can get a future starter (even for next year) at RT in the 4th or later. So, yes, I’m leaning towards yes, but I don’t think it’s a slam-dunk.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Pass rusher.
I’m kind of of the believe the the improvement to the offense from Cutler’s presence and ability should reduce the amount of time the defense is on the field. I’d be willing to give Lawson a final shot as well as test out Haralson some more if it means we land Cutler.
Kind of off topic, but do you really see Sintim as a second rounder? When I first started looking into the draft, that’s where it looked like he was going to go. However, lately, I noticed a lot of posters having him as a 3rd round choice. Has he slipped? Or are the posters just somewhat misinformed?
Nah
that’s too much, and that won’t happen. I really doubt, in a post Herschel walker/ Ricky Williams world that a team would trade their entire draft for one player. As you’ve seen, I’m the biggest Cutler backer out there, but even I think that’s a bit much. I think a package of this year’s first and next year’s 1st and 3rd would be more realistic, since you spread the impact over 2 drafts. That’s usually how these things work anyways.
Spreading out vs All at once.
I think I’d rather the 49ers have next year’s first than have to give it up. As I mentioned before, you never really know what talent will be available in next year’s draft until sometime after the current football season actually starts. Since the 49ers kind of already know what’s available to them, why not take a shot at next year’s draft?
Basically, why would you not give up a second rounder this year but give up a first rounder for next year?
Because they need more help this year
if they get Cutler, then next year’s pick will be 20 or lower. Their second-rounder is pick 43, next year it would be in the mid 50s. So basically, you trade this year’s numbers 1,2, AND 3, then you’re giving up more value than if you give this year’s 1st and next year’s 1st and 3rd, because of where those picks will (hopefully) be. This isn’t going to be like when we traded the Pats the number 10 overall pick, with Cutler we’ll be picking in the 20s.
They need that second-rounder this year to either shore up the O-line or get a good RB to backup Gore or get another DB. I suppose I wouldn’t be all that opposed to trading away this year’s draft, but I think Cutler could be got for less than that.
See Dallas Cowboys & Roy Williams
If Roy Williams is worth a 1st, 3rd and 5th(?) then Cutler would be worth a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Although I don’t think Roy Williams was really worth a 1st, 3rd and 5th(?).
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
the Lions gave up a 5th as part of the package, or a draft pick of some kind.
and no, Roy was not worth what the Cowboys paid.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 2, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It might have been
A 1st, a 3rd and a 6th for Roy Williams and a 5th. I do think I remember the Lions throwing a draft pick back but also the Cowboys giving up 3 picks but my memory might be failing me.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
the cowboys gave up 3 picks
but I can’t remember what pick the lions threw in for good measure. they may have flip flopped 5th round choices, I can’t recall either. and I’m certainly not googling it.
the spyware that gets on my computer from googling the Detroit Lions is unbearable.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Not worth it.
I think it’s pretty safe to say that whoever ends up with Cutler will pretty much be overpaying. Even if someone feels he doesn’t equate to a first, second, and third in this year’s draft, it shouldn’t surprise if that’s what he goes for.
He’s an extremely rare talent at such a young age. Personality issues may exist, but I’m pretty sure some teams will try to look past them. It’ll be interesting to see if the 49ers will be one of those teams.
Personality issues
DO NOT EXIST. Sorry, but I cannot let this go. That should not factor into the decision in ANY way, because this will not happen again
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Just because....
… you don’t view them as such, it does not mean they don’t exist. If a team sees them as personality issues, and many people do, then they exist for those people. You may not be able to let it go, but obviously, many other people won’t either.
Go
here and read this article. I’m not pulling this stuff out of my nether regions. Specifically, this part:
The NFL is a league filled with perceptions more than reality. In the case of Jay Cutler, these perceptions will be out of control. Over the next few days, there will be lots of misinformation circulated about the character and commitment of Cutler. Information will move from one source to another, and most of it will be bad, yet teams will consider it fact and allow it to affect their decisions. The only people who can really accurately judge Cutler are the coaches who were around him the past two years, who worked with him in tough times and good times. People who can observe from afar and form their own opinion of Cutler will be the ones who make the right decisions.
and:
However, having been with Cutler for one season, in 2007, I found him to be very confident, very competitive and very much a team player. Was he moody? Of course, he was moody. But what 24-year-old kid doesn’t have mood swings? Let’s not forget that players are no different from our own children. Cutler’s mood swings were sometimes tied to the commitment of his teammates and their willingness to lay it on the line. He worked hard to prepare to be the best, he was always searching for new information about the opponent (he came looking for my report each week), and he wanted to be ready to handle any situation. His character was not an issue when I watched him at practice. He was a hard worker, prepared and willing to make sacrifices for the team.
So who do you think knows more? ESPN? Fans on a message board? Or an independent football writer who actually worked with the guy?
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Character issues...
… don’t have to exist all the time. They could show up when certain situations show themselves. Who’s to say Cutler won’t eventually hate Raye’s offense? Who’s to say Singletary won’t drive Cutler up the wall? What happens if the 49ers struggle after his arrival?
Right now, Cutler has shown to be a bit of a baby (not a big one, but he has shown to be one nonetheless). It’s understandable that people would be wary about giving up upwards of a third of their future (and arguably, a half) drafts on him.
Maybe
but he was fine for 3 years before this, even when the FO did nothing to help his running game.
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How long to Campbell pulls a Cutler?
Or is Campbell just not a whiny crybaby?
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by methodrampage on Apr 3, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd still be skeptical
Ultimately, it’s not me making any kind of personnel decisions but with what I’ve seen and read I’d still be skeptical and just because one independent writer who may or may not have a man crush on Culter says something to the contrary it doesn’t mean I have to jump ship on my position. I just think there is enough there to raise a flag.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
What Exactly...
has Cutler achieved? What has he accomplished? What great things has Cutler done to deserve such praise? What price is he worth to you, because with (what seems like) a lot of willing trade partners, what is Cutler worth?
As I recall Cutler folded when it came to put up or shut up time last year. As I recall Philip Rivers and the Chargers craped down his throat. As I recall Cutler combined winning percentage is a combined LOSING percentage… while Shaun Hill has won more than he has lost.
You can get a pretty good read on the spine of an athlete when rather than bucking up and being a man and accepting the fact that you are not untouchable, and possible trade bait, you go to the media complaining about how you were lied to. PLEASE. welcome the challenge and show people why it is you think so highly about yourself.
Denver doesn’t win more than 2 games last year without Cutler:
1. Their defense is atrocious
2. Their running game is non-existent
3. Brandon Marshall is the most difficult receiver to deal with besides TO and Moss and Cutler was able to handle him easily (seriously, the guy pouts for the ball every single play and causes a stink on the sideline).
4. He threw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns when opposing teams knew Denver was throwing the ball constantly.
5. He had the pressure of scoring or keeping his own defense off the field every single possession. If he gave up a 3 and out his defense would give up 7 points.
Last year the didn't win more than two games until Hill started
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody's arguing that Hill is better than O'Sullivan
but Cutler is even better than Hill. So what does that tell you?
Yes,
because Jay Cuter is the one who gave up 50 points to the Chargers. What, you want him to play defense too? God, just analyze what you’re saying for 3 seconds before you spout off.
Not Spouting
In that game there was a lot of trash talking which Cutler didnt back up. No he wasn’t responsible for the points given up to SD, but he did throw two Interceptions. He did go 0-3 in the final three games as the LEADER of his team when the Broncos should’ve made the playoffs.
Hill, on the other hand, won his final two games as the starter and both were come from behind victories- as I recall.
I ask again, Cutler has been a starter for 2+ years, what exactly have the Broncos done in those two+ years??? He’s not a world beater. I’m not saying he’s bad either- far from it. My position is that he will not be worth what some team ultimately gives up to get him. I dont want the 49ers to be that team. They can and will win with Shaun Hill, with the assumption they fill out the rest of the roster with draft choices that they’d be giving up for Cutler.
Small sample size shenanigans in your comparison. Lots and lots of differences in those games, and between the Niners and Broncos. Pointing to a QBs winning percentage is like doing the same for starting pitchers in baseball. If everything else is equal, fine. So stop holding Cutler responsible for Mike Shanahan’s sins. He wasn’t the leader of that team. He was the team.
And I don’t believe Shaun Hill is likely to be a Super Bowl-winning QB. I’ve seen little to suggest that he has the tools to beat a talented defense that can rush the passer. Yes, he’s a game-manager who will likely win more games than he loses. But if you put Cutler on the Niners last year I firmly believe that team wins 10 games. He has a huge arm and great athleticism. He already has shown he can grasp an offense.
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Cutler most likely beats Arizona
and probably Dallas. And Miami. That’s 10, and if you replace O’sullivan with Cutler, then you’re looking at 11 or 12. I do not get why people don’t understand this.
You're making a mistake
in assuming that football is like basketball- where 1 guy can mean the difference between winning and losing. It’s true that a guy like cutler can change a team, but he can’t do it by himself, which is what he was being asked to do in Denver. They not only had no defense during his time there, but their best RBs were Selvin Young and Peyton Hillis. Really? You expect a guy to be able to win 10-12 games when that’s his running game?
He absolutely is a world beater. Honestly, have you watched him play? He is one of the 5 or 6 best QBs in the entire league.
like i said earlier
Cutler is 13-1 when his defense allows 21 or less points and the one loss in an overtime loss to Green Bay when GB won the coin toss and farve threw an 80 yd TD
Crybaby
1. What does his hat position have anything to do with his football ability?
2. Hill is a good game manager and… that’s about it. Cutler has shown he can manage a team as well as carry one (to some extent).
3. I think many people here, as well as the team that he ends up with and the other teams who missed out, will beg to differ.
4. Hill wasn’t a first round pick that almost led his team to the playoffs almost single-handedly. Cutler was not only a first round pick, but he’s also a first round pick that actually lived up to expectations. That’s somewhat rare as it is. All I’m saying is that while Cutler may have handled the entire situation wrong (which is somewhat debatable), he definitely has a valid beef with the Broncos front office and/or coaching staff. Calling him a cry baby is just flat out wrong.
5. So if it’s already discontinued (i.e. the system is changing, again) why not bring in another QB that can learn, too? Hill and Smith are starting over, too, by most accounts.
6. If he wanted a humble player, he wouldn’t repeatedly say that he loves Vernon Davis. As for wanting to use the draft picks, who doesn’t? Draft picks are fun. Young players are fun. However, why not use them on a proven commodity who IS young (Cutler is only 26, right?), rather than taking a chance on a player like Maclin/Harvin, Sanchez, or Maybin (who seem to be the ones likely to be there at #10) or overpaying for a RT (i.e. Oher).
by sfgfan on Apr 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about this scenario?
Jason Campbell goes to San Francisco
Jay Cutler goes to Washington
Denver receives #13 pick in draft, #10 pick in the draft.
I wouldn’t give up a 3rd round pick for Jason Campbell let alone the 10th pick. As you can tell I don’t value Jason Campbell very high but I like how you are finding three way trade partners.
I’m with you bignerd. Ten points for style, but minus – well, I’m not gonna be mean – for sense. I really don’t see Campbell as a serious upgrade over Hill. Cutler is just in a different class.
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Ok, I'll try this again
Cleveland gets Jay Cutler
San Francisco gets Brady Quinn
Denver receives Derek Anderson, pick #10 in the draft
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 1, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
We would need something in addition to Brady Quinn. He’s a prospect but I wouldn’t qualify him as an upgrade and not enough to give up the 10th pick alone. We would be stuck figuring out a QB between Smith, Hill and Quinn and that is discounting Huard. I think that controversy alone may distract the team for getting a focus on the season.
It’s something to think about. If you shed Smith in the trade and gain additional 2nd or 3rd pick than I would say that could work from the 49ers end.
No, I take it back
I’m confident we getting a starting caliber player with the 10th pick. Not sure Brady Quinn is a starter. 49ers would need to receive multiple high picks to make that trade happen.
There is no QB out there we could trade for
that’s worth more than Cutler. He is in the top 5 or 6 in the NFL, and those guys don’t get traded. That’s why this is a big deal.
I will denounce the Niners forever if they traded for Quinn
Hill is a better a QB than Quinn.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm
This
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Srsly
Brady Quinn? Jason Cambell? Can’t fault coming up with ideas, but I’d rather have Hill than either of those 2.
Ok
I admit giving up the #10 pick for Jason Campbell is ridiculous. However, it got me thinking, Washington is the team in hot pursuit of Cutler, and they’ll have to trade Campbell if they get Cutler. What if Washington is setting up a deal to trade Campbell to us, for say a 3rd rounder.
Then Washington can turn and say to Denver, we’ll give you #13 and two 3rd rounders for Cutler. I realize the Niners would be ridiculous to trade the #10 pick for anything but more picks or a Jay Cutler. As for Brady Quinn, I was just throwing it out there. I’d be much happier watching Shaun Hill get a crack at 16 games as the team’s starter.
People knock his arm, but he wins games. He’s a leader. Joe Staley loves him, and if your LT loves you, what else matters? The rest of the team has no choice but to back him up, not that they wouldn’t. Anyone that dives headfirst, helmetless is a gutsy leader. He can make the throws he needs to make. You don’t always have to throw a ball 50 yards to make a long catch. Often times, you can hit a streaking receiver at 30 yards.
The biggest knock is that his strength can’t force things into tight spaces. Anyone remembering the Young to Owens in 98 knows you need a QB that can throw it in tight coverage.
I’d like to see Hill get 16 starts, unless we land Cutler. Then I’d like to see Hill get one start, in week 17, because the 12-3 49ers are resting their starters.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 1, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I love me some Shaun Hill,
and I would not in any circumstance take Jason Campbell over him. Campbell is not that good. He’s actually very similar to HIll- maybe a little better arm, but a guy who doesn’t make mistakes that cost you games. I’ve been one of Shaun Hill’s biggest and most vocal supporters, which is why it’s odd that it’s me who’s so for Cutler. But Cutler is that good.
I think the team will be in fine shape if they don’t get Cutler (which, to be honest, is probably the most realistic outcome). HIll is a good player, despite what those goddamned idiots on nfl.com and espn say, and Alex Smith still hasn’t gotten a fair shot at being a real starter. I think we’ll like those guys fine, but when you’re talking about being able to get a game-changer, you gotta do it.
Just to show what Hill could do, his 16-game stats last year would have been 4000+ yards and 23-25 TDs. That’s a pretty awesome fall back plan. Howevuh, Cutler is only going to keep getting better, while hill is going on 30 and I’m not sure how much more he’s got left.
I think...
… if Washington is willing to give up Campbell because they want Cutler, the Broncos will more than likely listen. If I were Denver, I’d give up a third rounder and Cutler to get a first and whatever else Washington was originally going to throw up for Cutler.
hmmm
maybe. I don’t think I’d want to get a deal done so fast, though. I’d wait and see what else was out there (since a lot of teams want him), and see what happens with the rookies. I’m not sure Campbell is that interesting to McDaniels.
Campbell = 2nd Rounder
At least thats what I heard Washington is looking for in return. Does the salary cap not apply to the Redskins? I guess if you stip the bonus money, which Denver is on the hook for, Cutler’s contract wouldn’t be too big of a pill to swallow for Washington.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll have to sign him long-term
anyone who gets him will almost certainly have to do that. That’s another problem for Washington
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The Redskins can wait to extend him
Cutler has 3 years left on his deal. The Redskins wouldn’t have to extend him right away. In three years they can clear enough room, if there is a salary cap in 3 years, to sign him.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes,
but he’s probably going to want a long-term deal. Everyone reporting on this is saying that that is almost certainly going to be part of the trade for any team that gets him.
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It's on the team trading for him to decide
Denver or Cutler has no power to force an extension. The teams making the offer may want to extend him prior to finalizing the deal, I would not, but ultimately it’s their prerogative and it wouldn’t be necessarily be a deterrent for the Redskins.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yez
but he could easily hold out, especially if he doesn’t like the team. Call it being a diva or whatever, but plenty of players do it, especially after trades
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You're grasping for straws now
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No, this really is what usually happens after big deals. The Raiders did it for Hall last year. The Broncos and Redskins both did it in the Bailey-Portis deal. It’s pretty common practice in the NFL. I haven’t heard about an extension for Cassell, but it’ll happen soon if it hasn’t already.
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I get that it happens
But it happens because the teams that trade for that player want to extend them, not because the player is threatening a hold out. And I agree that any team, other than Washington, would most likely extend Cutler right off the bat but Washington’s cap situation will make that difficult. Players are also usually trade with less than 3 years remaining on their contract. Cutler isn’t holding now so I don’t see why he would hold out once traded. Either way, I’m sure the Redskins know all of this and it hasn’t deterred them so bondslegend can feel free to grasp straws as to why Washington can’t trade for him but I’m sure they thought of every angle already.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Look,
any team that trades for cutler is going to extend him. That’s how it works. I’m not “grasping for straws”, I’m telling you how the NFL works. If they don’t extend him, he won’t be happy and they will be idiots.
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Look at Washington's cap number
Then tell me how they’re going to extend him this year. Cutler can’t necessarily whine himself out of Denver and into a contract extension. If I’m the team that trades for Cutler, I don’t think I’d resign him until after this season
Maybe, if it’s purely an extension and his base salary stays the same for the next year, or 3, the Redskins might be able to fit him under the cap.
You’re not telling me how the NFL works; you’re trying to argue why the Redskins can’t trade for him. While I’m telling you that they can trade for him and don’t necessarily have to extend him this year because they’re currently a bee’s dick of a sliver under the cap which without massive restructuring would make an extension very difficult.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, look at that
it didn’t get done. The redskins could have offered the EXACT SAME thing, and they wanted to get him. Why do you think it didn’t happen? Their picks would even have been better than Chicago’s, and their QB would also have been WAYYY better.
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The reason they didn't land Cutler
Has zero to do with extending him.
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by methodrampage on Apr 3, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that it means anything
but I for one would have to see what the Niners give up before my final judgement on the matter. This year’s #10? Sure. Multiple draft choices? Let’s see.
Certainly, Cutler seems to be an upgrade over the two Niner QBs. But how much better? I have a lot of respect for Shanahan as an offensive coach. If Alex Smith had started out in Denver instead of being incredibly mishandled by Nolan does anyone think that he’d be on the slag heap?
So I’m not certain that Cutler will necessarily translate his numbers in Denver under Shanahan to SF and Raye.
Cutler’s attitude seems pretty immature but maybe there’s more to the story. I’ll leave it to Singletary to make the final call.
by Bob In Beaverton on Apr 1, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions
Lemme ask you something
what about Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees? Would you see those guys as significant upgrades? Jay Cutler is in that class. He is on their level. I know people will say “he hasn’t won a SB111”, but he’s only been in the league for 3 years- it took Peyton 10 to win one, and I still would have taken him for every one of those 10 years. Cutler is no different.
Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees
Cutler is close to being in that class. He’s not there yet.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes he is
all 3 of those guys have better offenses than Cutler, and yet Cutler looked like them last year. He is there right now.
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Did
you see him against the Jets in the meadowlands? It was raining and gusting wind, and he looked like he was playing in a dome. He is unreal
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The offenses are better because the QBs are better
You’ve got a tough argument ahead of you if you go position by position on each of those offenses to prove that Denver’s offense, outside of the QB, isn’t as talented as those teams. You’re hard pressed to find an offense with as much young talent as the Broncos.
I watched just about every Broncos game last season, Cutler makes some bad choices that Brady, Manning and Brees would not. He also tends to lock on to Brandon Marshall way too much. He’s not in the same class as those guys.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Denver has
Marshall, Royal, Cutler, and….? What else? Scheffler is good too, but the Saints have a pro-bowl offense and so does Indy and NE. It may be true that Cutler isn’t completely in that camp yet, but he’s also 25- Brees and co. are all in their late 20s to early 30s. The fact that Cutler is so close to that level at his age is even more impressive.
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Denver's OL is very good
What the hell does it mean when you say the Saints, NE and Indy have a Pro Bowl offense? I’d probably take Denver’s OL over any of those said teams. Marshall is pretty much on par with Moss, Wayne, and Colston. Royal, is better than the Colts’ and Saints’ #2 WR. Denver gets hurt in the running run but NE isn’t much better in that department and I’d take Scheffler over NE’s TE.
Yes, Culter is younger and is close to being there but its possible that he never completely gets into that class.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
but that being said i would rather have a young second tier QB then have to gamble in the draft if Smith doesnt live up to his potential
This
Guy who already is a pro-bowler >> Less expensive (in terms of picks) guy (Sanchez/Stafford/Hill/Smith) who may be good but may never be a starter (if it’s Stafford or Sanchez)
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True about the Oline
I didn’t even factor that in and thats a major duh on my part. Their line was amazing last season. What I meant about the Colts and, to a lesser extent, the Saints is that in almost every offensive position they have a guy who is amazing. Wayne, Gonzalez, (used to be) Harrison, Addai (if he’s healthy), Manning, Clark.
The Saints have Colston, Moore (better than almost anyone thinks), and Bush, who is great if he’s used like he should be used. I guess the Saints and Broncos’ offenses are comparable, but the Broncos get the nod in the Oline department. However, when he was 25, Drew Brees wasn’t as good as Cutler is now
I guess my whole point is this: dude is really, really good. And young. And only going to get better.
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Drew Brees
works with meh-to-“good” receivers. Colston is great, but he misses a lot of games. Everyone else on that squad is pretty average – Shockey included. Even the Saints O-line is questionable at best.
Pats, Colts, Broncos all have stellar WRs to go with their franchise QBs.
Food for thought.
Brees is otherworldly
Moore is better than anyone gives him credit for, but Brees is amazing for sure. (and we could have had him if we didn’t draft smith…but whatever)
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Hmmm...
From what I understand, the Broncos are seeking for this year’s round 1 and next year’s, as well. Is he really worth all the trouble? Maybe. Here you have, obviously, a DIVA and a talented one, versus taking this year’s 10th overall and possibly another high draft pick next year.
If the trade doesn’t happen and the 49ers stink it up this year, at least they’ll have another chance next draft. But, if the trade does happen and the 49ers still doesn’t make the play-offs, they’ll be out of a high draft pick and a DIVA to deal with. He is talented, I acknowledge that, but the memory of a certain number 81 is still fresh in some fan’s memories, particularly this writer. Yet, if the 49ers make the play-offs, the risk is justified.
I guess that’s why the front office personnel are paid quite a bit and hacked when things go wrong. Wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Good luck to these guys.
All I can say is, I hope that the 49ers get better this coming season and I am looking forward to a succesful year.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
OK
you need to tell me what makes Cutler a diva. As far as I can tell, he went THREE YEARS without causing a single problem, and only acted out after his new coach screwed him. How does that make him a diva?
And if the 49ers get Jay Cutler, they’re winning the NFC west. There is no dobut at all. They will have the best QB in the division, and best QB= best team. Their defense and running game is more than enough to take the crown.
Hmmmm....
TO went longer than that. Yet, he ended up a DIVA. First of all, we really don’t know the whole story. But from what is out, not answering calls and getting upset because of trade talks, to me, he’s acting like a (SITE DECORUM) DIVA. If the 49ers brass are afraid of Stafford because of his sarcastic remarks/answers, then I say stay away from Cutler. If Cutler had won a SB, then maybe he has something to gripe about.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 1, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Had won an SB?!
He’s been in the league three years and he plays for the Broncos! If he’d won a Super Bowl… Come on, man!
Wanna hear some music?
You don't get it
but that’s fine, I’m done trying to explain why it’s a good idea to get one of the 5-6 best QBs in the entire league. If you guys don’t want him, whatever. Watch him come here or go to another team and instantly turn them into a competitor.
I WILL say I told you so, though. So get your crow ready
And , oh...
best QB= best team
I don’t think so.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
Then you don't think rightly
Look at the division winners and yearly contenders (I’m not talking one-and-done type teams like the Ravens or Bucs were)- they all have a very good to great quarterback- Manning, Brady, Roethlisburekhgaeir, Rivers, McNabb, Brees. That’s what Jay Cutler is. Would you like the 49ers to keep struggling every year or to be contenders for the next 5-8 years?
Redskins - Herschel Walker Deal
It looks like the Redskins may indeed be ending this discussion abruptly. Just like I feared the Redskins seem more than willing to over pay for Cutler . . . after all it’s Daniel Synder’s MO.
Like I posted above the Redskins put no value in draft picks. This was the team who offered two 1st round picks last year for Chad “Ocho-Sucko” Johnson. You can only imagine what they have ponied up for Cutler. BTW, Bill Cowher was a great discussing that Ocho Sucko offer from the Redskins. All the analyst were telling the Bengals to refuse the offer because there wasn’t a top WR in the draft and Bill Cowher jumps in on fire calling them all crazy. I can get 2 starters I don’t have worry about for more 4 years . . . where do I make that trade!!!!
Anyways get ready for the sequel to the Herschel Walkerr trade. Dan Snyder’s masterpiece is about to be unveiled. Oh, to top it off . . . Snyder might fire Zorn ASAP to hire Mike Shanahan.
Just out of curiosity, what did you hear about them?
the Redskins don’t even have a 2nd rounder this year, and they’re picking behind Denver. How will they offer that many picks if they don’t have them to begin with? The 10th pick is more enticing than the 13th.
BTW
Redskins= idiots. Did they not learn anything from this whole mess? If they don’t get Cutler, then they’re going to have the same problem with Campbell.
I haven’t heard any details on their offer, but it’s been reported the Redskins are looking to finalize a deal tonight and they were mentioned as the early front runner this afternoon (both tidbits from NFL network).
Knowing their management I fully expect a ridiculous offer from them. I fully expect Herschel Walker / Ricky Williams type deal. They didn’t blink at trading two 1st rounders last year for an aging WR so I’m expecting at 2 1st rounders and possibly an entire draft class . . . maybe two.
Yes, they are idiots. Cutler’s career is going to go down the toilet like everyone else whose moved onto Washington.
Don't be so sure man
sure, the Skins may want to make a big offer, but they don’t have the picks to do it. Also: why would Denver be in such a rush? There aren’t any major offseason activities until after the draft anyways. I don’t think they’d be that interested in Campbell, and Washington’s picks aren’t as good as ours.
Of course, this all depends on whether or not our management is interested. Of course you don’t hear ESPN or NFLN talking about the 49ers because they aren’t aware that there’s a division outside of the NFC east. Here’s hoping our guys are interested and going about it quietly. I can’t imagine them not formulating an offer as we speak. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity.
Campbell isn’t being offered in the deal. The Redskins are already shopping him separately for a 2nd round pick.
ESPN has reported that the Broncos have asked for 2 1st round picks for Cutler and said he could be traded by Friday. The Broncos aren’t looking to trade tonight. They want more teams to come to the table and start a bidding war. Translation, the Skins have already offered that deal and the Broncos are letting it be known its the offer to beat.
They do have the picks
For the Redskins to make a deal for Cutler I’ve got to think Campbell would be involved in some capacity, so that’s at least another 2nd or 3rd round pick. There will also be a draft in 2010. They might not have the picks for this years draft but once you factor in next year’s draft they most definitely have the picks.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
But so does any team
what I’m saying is that the niners have better picks this year. When you talk about next year, everyone still has those picks, so Washington is no better than the niners or TB or anyone else
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Okay, so lets take the Denver side of the argument.
What if Denver sees things the way you do, which is a somewhat reasonable view, and that the 49ers significantly improve themselves with Cutler. Wouldn’t Denver want to push for this year’s picks as opposed to next year’s?
Let’s assume that there’s at least one other team that would probably be willing to give up this year’s picks.
Where did I say we wouldn't?
my whole thing all along has been “give up this year’s and next year’s picks”, specifically, a 1st and a 1st and 3rd. If they want this year’s third instead, then that’s something you’ve got to to think harder about, but I still might do it
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I guess my argument was actually for another discussion...
… I mistook this one for. But it applies nevertheless. What if Washington is willing to give up their first, third and fourth from this year on top of their first next season and Denver comes back and tells the 49ers that they can have Cutler if they can give them the first, second, and third round picks from this year?
Hmmm
well you’d definitely have to think about it, but at that point I think we’d be better off letting Washington do that and instantly making themselves a non-factor for the next 2 years. That is a little much even for me, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen.
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True, to an extent
Yes if the Niners offered the same picks, say a first round pick this year and first round pick next year, as the Redskins then they might have a slight edge on the Redskins. I doubt the Niners are going to go that far.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Check
this link out. Verrrrrrrrry interesting. This should shut those idiots who think he’s a “diva” up. Also: the Broncos are not interested in Campbell. They want 2 firsts and don’t “necessarily” need a QB in return. I am very excited right now. GET. THIS. DONE. PLEEEAAAAASE.
I like Cutler, think he is a SB QB but no way should any team get any a bidding war with Redskins to get him.
Trying to outbid Washington
is nearly impossible. Synder runs his team like a 14 year old making a roster on Madden.
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Perfect description of that plastic-haired lunatic
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 2, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not quite as difficult...
… in this case, I think. The deal will be draft pick centric and have very little to do with money, which is where Snyder thrives (or fails?). The 49ers can pretty much match anything the Skins have to offer, except providing someone like Campbell back to Denver in return (which supposedly isn’t a necessity?) It’s just a matter of whether or not he’ll be worth the draft picks it will cost.
Denver doesn't even want Campbell
so that’s not an issue. The Niners can match washington step-for-step, and even exceed them because we’re picking higher
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if the Skins pull this one off
I may shoot myself in the face. me = so tired of everything Washington Redskins it’s not even funny anymore.
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so this
I would be upset if the niners dont get him, but OMG if it’s washington it would be so much worse
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3 team deal
Campbell would go somewhere else and the pick would go back to Denver.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
I think you’re the BIGGEST IDIOT!
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude
We all get your point. I even agree with a lot of it. How about toning down the name calling and such in your comments? They’re pretty unnecessary.
SHUT UP YOU MORON (jk)
I just feel so PASSIONATELY about this.
On a serious note, people seriously need to put 2 seconds of thought into something rather than just regurgitating what they hear on ESPN. If you’re the Broncos, what is your motivation for telling the truth right now? I think they’re spinning this whole thing into something worse than it actually is
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Think about it
What is the Denver’s motivation to tell everybody that Cutler is on the block if he’s not? To piss Cutler off even more when he finds out that Denver was just toying with him?
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
that’s not what I’m saying. It’s in Denver’s interest to make themselves look like the victim here. It might slightly affect Cutler’s trade value, but they need something to tell their season ticket holders, because if I was a Bronco fan I would be PISSED at the coach right now. They have to be able to go to their ticket buyers and say “hey! What do you want us to do? The guy wouldn’t return our calls!”, even if that’s not totally the case.
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I WANT OUT!!!!
Now he says, “I don’t want to be traded. I like it in Denver.”
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why this is fishy
did he ever come out and say he wanted to be traded? Or did the Broncos just say that’s what he said?
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Or is he just covering his ass...
… so that, you know, at least a decent team will try to get him and not be scared off by any “perceived” attitude issues.
Also possible
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Or...
a Mike Ditka stunt and trade all your draft picks for a single player.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex smith and shaun hill can get us where we need to be. We have bigger needs.
especially after we fixed alex smiths contract. he can and will still be a star. better than cutler one day. smith hasnt had the same OC once in his career. Hes healthy and we now have some consistency in the front office. He will shine
Maybe
I wouldn’t cry if we had Smith and Hill next year. I think Smith maybe better than he gets credit for, but who knows. Still, we should at least attempt to get Cutler. I don’t want to sell the farm, but try. 1, 3, and Smith. Or 1,3 and next years 2 or 3 plus smith. If they bite, I’ld say we made out well. If not, we still have a good game manager and a potential gun slinger.
This
I like Hill and Smith quite a bit actually, but you have to go after a guy like Cutler
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yeah
I love Shaun Hill and will be happy going into next season with him, but like bondslegend said you have to go after a guy like Cutler, at least give it a shot and see what happens.
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You should go to McCovey chronicles sometime
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Seriously
It seems like SBNation has made some changes to their script though, as comments seem to load quite a bit faster than the did at the conclusion of the baseball season.
yes
the 1300 mega thread from yesterday takes no time at all right now. It’s nice
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updates
They’ve got a full-time tech team that is constantly improving things here. Particularly when it comes to speading things up.
Given the increase in traffic I’m curioius to see what kind of participation we’ll be getting on game threads here come August and September.
by David Fucillo on Apr 2, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I will be on there ranting...
…as long as someone posts a link for the live stream. The niners get no play up here. Everyone likes the Cowboys or Bills because they get the most exposure. I don’t mind the Bills but I want to set all Cowboy fans on fire.
For Frickin real
Where I am, if aren’t a Cowboy fan, you might as well watch something else. Never a 9ers game on.
At least...
here in AZ, they play the Cardinals twice. I am guaranteed 2 49ers games per year.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Apr 2, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah I feel ya
all I get is Redskins games
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Omaha is the worst man. Our four teams (secondary market) are Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs and Rams. And we didn’t get the Rams the two times they played the Niners last year.
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I saw...
…the 49ers live for the first time last year in Buffalo. Its was a great game, theres all kinds of bus/booze trips organized from Toronto. Half the fans in the stands are bused in from Canada. As soon as Ralph kicks the bucket the team will move to Toronto considering we have been floating the franchise for decades now.
Interesting that Orton was sent in the deal.
Well, not really, but there’s no way the 49ers could have put anything remotely close to that up. He’s no Cutler, but he definitely gives them a useable option that could probably thrive behind their offensive line.
Well that sucks
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Bears are better now, for sure, and probably the favorites in that division if their D can stay healthy. Pairing Cutler with Forte will make them dangerous. I’d rather see him there with their mediocre receivers than in Minnesota, for sure. Still wish we’d gone in a little harder, but what can you do.
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The more I think about it
the more it annoys me. The 49ers could have offered the exact same thing. I guarantee you they won’t get the value out of these picks that they would have gotten by trading for Cutler. NFL teams are just so stupid sometimes…
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I don't know about you...
… but I’m pretty sure other NFL GMs are a lot higher on Orton than they are on Hill/Smith.
Why?
Orton SUCKS. Have you watched him play? I have, and the dude is not any better than Hill.
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Bears needed a QB
. . . three years ago. That defense hasn’t played top notch ball in a season and half.
Question:
how the hell is kyle orton that much better than Shaun Hill? God, that really sucks.
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Well...
… Orton’s got two years on Hill, and hasn’t been rejected by multiple ball clubs.
That bottle is mostly full
He can’t chug for [site decorum[
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 2, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
it looks like he got more of it on his shirt/chin
then actually in his mouth.
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Blame it on the Diabetes
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 3, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Oooopps
Totally forgot that was Kyle Orton… I’m on FIRE recently
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 3, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Broncos trade?
Maybe the Broncos move up to the 49ers 10 pick to get Sanchez?
by David Fucillo on Apr 2, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
what would the broncos give up in this instance?
Who do they have that would help us if they wanted to trade picks?
picks
They’ve got 2 first round picks and 2 3rd round picks. Not expecting anything, but it’s one more potential trading partner.
by David Fucillo on Apr 2, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
whut
why would the niners be interested? You mean the Bears? Because I would totally trade with them.
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Who said Orton was better than Hill?
Where was it reported that the Niners were offering two first round picks? A couple guys earlier said that Cutler wouldn’t be worth the #10 pick and that he was only worth like a 2nd and 4th.
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by methodrampage on Apr 2, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I could be homer, but I don’t think Orton is better than Hill. I’d say they are almost in the same class of QB.
Same class
which is why i want Smith to win the job. I think he has potential while hill won’t be better than he already is which to me is an 8-8 QB like Orton.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
I think Hill can better than an 8-8 QB. There have been guys who have been able to manage a football team to greatness. He does fit this team’s personality pretty well and has shown he can lead the team back from a 4th quarter deficit which gives me some optimism.
Maybe
He is a good game manager. But he hasn’t beat really good teams (the Jets were good but were on a downhill slide when they played the 9ers). I just don’t think he is good enough to stay the guy. As long as he is the guy I will pull for him (I’ve been a huge supporter of him ever since he went in when Dilfer got his head knocked off in the Vikes game a couple of years ago) but i think Smith will still beat him in training camp. Smith has more upside than Hill. He is alot younger and has more to learn and take in.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
They probably weren't,
I’m just saying they should have been. My offer all along was 2 firsts and a 3rd, the exact thing he went for. The niners could have easily offered that (better picks) and Shaun Hill- I don’t see why Hill is worse than Orton, save for their age I guess.
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Yeah,
because we weren’t interested in making OUR TEAM BETTER. Who wants to do that? Sweet lord.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley [insert witty comment]
Thanks to roger
Makes the bears good
damn the niners play the bears this year. great now the bears have Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, they can draft a WR in the second, and they have a pretty good defense already. sigh just making another team in the nfc better.
Funny...
A guy from Northern Colorado said he received an Amber Alert on his phone for a 6’2" crybaby who goes by the name Jay Cutler.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"

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