Kurt Warner Watch 2009: Decision Thread
FOOCH'S UPDATE 12:07PM: And so ends the saga. Kurt Warner is back to the Cardinals. Move on, there is NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
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I realize this topic has gotten pretty exhausting for people. Most people figure Kurt Warner is heading back to Arizona. It's the perfect situation for him and they're offering a nice chunk of change. Matt Maiocco did come up with some solid reasons why it could work out for the 49ers. After all, if the Cardinals don't want to pay him the $23M he's now asking for, can he back down? Is he at a point of no return?
Whatever the case may be, his agent says the decision will come down today. Of course he also said :
"We've talked, we've been talking straight," Bartelstein said. "We know where we are with that. They've been great. I think he (Warner) will make a decision today and try to bring this to an end."
I think that moves it down to 50/50 that we get a decision today. However, I figured we might as well have a thread going just in case it comes down. If he does actually choose the 49ers, there will definitely be a new post for that. If not, that's life.
More to come as the day goes on...
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49ER FRONT OFFICE
WE HAVE NOT MADE A GOOD DECISION ON A Q.B. SINCE JEFF GARCIA AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY NONE OTHER THAN THE LATE BILL WALSH. THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW U THAT THE 9ERS DONT WANT A WINNER. OUR FRONT OFFICE STINKS AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE THERE WE WILL STINK. GET RID OF THE BUST AND INVEST ON A GOOD YOUNG ONE. IN THIS LEAGUE YOU HAVE TO PASS ALSO NOT JUST RUN LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TITANS IN THE PLAYOFFS. PLEASE DONT SPEND 80 MILLION OR 45 MILLION ON ONE PLAYER BECAUSE THE ONES WE GOT ARE NOT WORTH THAT
by LSCARRILLO2 on Mar 4, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Caps Lock big guy
Probably better to turn off the caps lock. And it wouldn’t cost $45M or $80M for Warner. It would cost no more than $25M.
by Fooch on Mar 4, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think...
… a “good young one” is worth? Let me see…. probably close to $60M with at least $20M in guarantees. So which is it? Spend or don’t spend that money?
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
too...many...wrongs...to...comprehend
a) the only good decision regarding Jeff Garcia was letting him go.
b) they don’t want a winner? right. these guys are certainly throwing money at their investments to lose ball games, and subsequently, their own money.
c) did you even watch the Titans? they lost because Johnson got hurt and it forced Collins into trying to win the game
d) like sfgfan said…a good young QB will cost a lot of money.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 4, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.
by Nosetackle Supreme on Mar 4, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 4, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying...
I think Warner and his agent were making the niners a player, only to put the fire to Arizona to get the kind of of deal Warner wants. Arizona called Warner’s bluff and let him talk to SF, because they still new they were going to get Warner back. What Arizona and Warner didn’t anticipate was Coach Sing being so darn convincing. I believe Coach Sing believes that this team is ready to be a real Super Bowl threat. I know that sounds crazy, but have you heard the way Coach sing talks about this team. And if you look back last season we were only a couple of decisions away from making the playoffs i.e.. Defense moving to a base 3-4 and changing QB’s. Coach Sing wants to K.I.S.S. and play with passion, the 2 things Nolan couldn’t do or didn’t want to do. Coach Sing may not be an x’s and o’s guy but he can sure motivate and make people believe. I know I am drinking the cool aid. And I think that’s why Warner wants to make this decision now rather then later. The longer this drags out the more appealing the Niners become, and that is something that Warner and his family didn’t anticipate.
by etb2 on Mar 4, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not for or against Warner as a 49er
But I do think that it would certainly make things more entertaining, especially the anticipation leading up to the season. When was the last time 49er fans had something to be genuinely excited about?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 4, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
According to Maiocco...
… Warners agent says Warner is returning to the Cardinals for 2-years, $23M with $15M guaranteed, and $4M base salaries each season.
Link (Maiocco)
As it’s been already said, an extra $3M spent by the Cardinals over two years is better than no extra at all. $3M over two years can pay for a solid supporting player that the Cardinals may end up needing.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
damn, mere seconds!
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Mar 4, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The hit is insignificant...
Besides, there might not be a Salary Cap in the future League wide, and they keep increasing room every year anyway.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uncapped year(s)
I don’t envision the uncapped year really happening, or if it does, it won’t last for much more than a year. The NFL right now has probably some of the best parity in all of the major sports, and their salary cap (and all it’s funky rules) are a big part of that. I can’t envision them not being able to work out a new CBA.
In any case, the Cards, if I recall, are already very short in terms of players on their roster. In a day and age when players get cut to save (or free up) one or two million on their salary cap, $1.5M over two years is significant enough. Again, it’s better than nothing.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's only a few million bucks...
That can be massaged on the books overall. The Cards didn’t mortgage their future on this deal. This wasn’t a Stimulus Package.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're just going to...
… have to agree to disagree.
If you don’t see that plenty of teams think $1M or $2M is significant (because they’re cutting players to save just that much), then you see it differently than I do, and that’s fine.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see more $$$ than that...
Going to a Special Teams guy, like a punt returner, or a backup guy that has not much impact at all. If you think spending a few Million more for a Franchise Super Bowl League MVP hurts a team, then you should check out how much the 49ers spend on guys who don’t even see the field.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying...
… it’s a lot of money to spend on one person, that was NEVER my point.
My point is that they’ve used up a little extra money that they don’t really have. Remember, in order to extend Fitz, they were scrambling to find extra money? They’re going to have the same problem with Boldin and whomever else they still need to sign to fill out their roster. My memory is a little foggy, but don’t they have quite a few starters that need to be re-signed?
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If...
… there is any question about how much I think Warner is worth, I would have been perfectly fine with the 49ers paying him $26M over two years, if that’s what they ended up offering him. I only feel comfortable about that because I strongly feel the 49ers have enough cap space to do it (as there are no big FAs remaining this offseason and they’ll still have plenty of money to fulfill their ~$8M rookie pool and at two years, Warner wouldn’t hurt them beyond next season).
I don’t feel the same about the Cardinals’ cap situation and their roster.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you actually have a cap figure for the Cards for 2009? ...
They are like $40 mill under the cap.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But look at who's missing from their roster.
Dansby and Warner take up a pretty sizable chunk of that extra money already (probably half?).
Their rookie pool will probably be close to $5M, so that leaves $15M to retain or replace the likes of Berry, Watson, and various other backups that saw a decent amount of playing time in rotation. This is not to mention that they’d still want to extend Boldin.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards are #2 on the "unofficial list"..
Of teams with their projected cap space. The are second to the Bucs, who have the most. The League just increased the cap this year by $4 million. Of course, this was without Warner’s contract. The Cards aren’t the Jets, or the Skins. Even if the League goes capless for just one year in 2010, they won’t leave teams in the weeds by strapping them with an even tighter number than this year, since they have been increasing the cap number every year.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we're talking a few million bucks here...
Besides, I think the Cards are on of the better teams with Cap Health anyway. They might even be in better health than the 49ers. We are talking the Bidwills here. They have never got themselves close to being in cap trouble, outside of not spending the $$$. A few million bucks is easy to bury in future contracts of other players. They are not robbing Peter to pay Paul here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE ONLY GUYS THAT THE 49ERS HAVE GOT OUT OF DRAFT OR FREE AGENCY ARE PATRICK WILLIS AND STALEY THAT WERE WELL WORTH IT. ALEX SMITH NEEDS TO GO. CLEMENTS IS GOOD BUT NOT WORHT 80 MIL COME ON. WARNER WANTS TO THROW THE BALL NOT RUN IT AND HE HAS NO ONE TO THROW TO (BIG THREATS)
by LSCARRILLO2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
my eyes hurt!!!!!
can you please turn you caps locks off, thanks
by sundaysfinest on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clements
First and foremost, your all-caps typing doesn’t really draw any extra attention or increase your credibility, so please stop.
Secondly, Clements’ contract is worth significantly less than $80M, as it is reported that IF he plays through the whole contract as the 49ers envision it (highly unlikely), he will only see about $65M of that. Again, highly unlikely he sees all of that, either.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
woohooo now we can bury this right next to the cutler talk which is buried right next to the vick talk, lets move on……….
by sundaysfinest on Mar 4, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith FTW
Get it done, Condon. Now.
by Indiana Jim on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Condon
The guy is probably trying his hardest to convince Smith to look elsewhere. If Smith restructures his deal with the 49ers, he (Condon) doesn’t get any new money out of it.
It’ll basically be up to Smith to say something along the lines of: “This is where I want to be, so you need to make that happen.” I don’t know if Smith is 100% San Francisco is where he “wants” to be.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL,....
Like Smith has any leverage to go anywhere.
It’s hard to shake off a Bust label.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of where he goes....
… he’ll still be making at least league minimum in base pay (which is what the 49ers would be paying him), but Condon gets dibs on any extra bonus money he may acquire from making a team.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, some extra...
… is better than none, especially for penny-counting agents.
by sfgfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Young had a Bust label
look how that worked out for us.
by samhitch on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Young wasn't drafted into the NFL...
He was ‘drafted’ into the USFL. I would continue this point further, but you have just compared Alex Smith to Steve Young. You can’t get any sillier than that.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Young
Young was drafted into the NFL, via the 1985 Supplemental draft.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His first Pro team...
Was the LA Express, and while he may not have been ‘drafted’ per se, he didn’t enter the NFL his first year after college. He wasn’t a first pick overall like Smith was, so therefore, he wasn’t a bust. His first League was.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was by no means a bust on the Express. The league itself was a bust, and so was the team he played on. He himself was not a bust. Not until after his stint with the Bucs did he begin being labelled a bust.
But yeah, comparing Alex Smith to Steve Young is only relevant if you’re talking about players who have started the QB position for the Niners.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 4, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thought to consider
The highest income tax rate in Arizona (at least in 2008) was 4.54, whereas in California, we just raised it to more than twice that.
Plus, it probably costs a lot more to live in the Bay Area than in the Phoenix area. These are huge considerations.
Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.
by Nosetackle Supreme on Mar 4, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No big deal
I didn’t expect it to happen. It didn’t. There was some risk to hooking your fate with a 38 year-old quarterback, albeit one with an accurate arm and a quick release. It would have been interesting if he had signed, it was interesting watching the kabuki dance over the last week.
I think the Niners will be good this year anyway, good enough to battle for the division. They still need a right tackle, another running back to pair with Gore, and a pass rusher. Maybe some of that money that Warner would have gotten will go towards filling some holes.
As an aside, I’m not sure why some people are so panicky and sure that the sky is going to fall on Ninerland, and why, if it bothers them so much, they don’t do something else like hiking or surfing or squaredancing. Or drinking. I’m not saying love it or leave it, I sure have had my complaints with the coaching and management over the years, but at a certain point some posters’ desperation is embarrassing. Back off the ledge.
by Bob On The Coast on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner said in his press conference that he had made up his mind to return to Arizona 45 minutes into the interview with the 49ers . . .
And we offered more money
by bignerd on Mar 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
15 MILLION Signing bonus!?!?!
Wow.. That is an instant cap hit for this season. It’s going to hurt chances of Bolden getting the contract he wants (or at least the contract that would bring him back to the cards). To me, this hurts their chances for next season, for sure. They’re just making that Losers of the Super Bowl curse that much more likely to take affect.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Mar 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
signing bonus
A signing bonus is pro-rated over the course of the contract, so the bonus cap hit would be $7.5M this year and $7.5M next year. Still a lot, but half of the whole.
by Fooch on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the Niners really needed Warner
Not saying Shaun Hill is a stalwart but he got the job done as opposed to JT O’Fumblin.
Consider that the offensive coordinator is 158 years old and has never been a guy who goes all Andy Reid on the opposing team. They plan to be running the ball more often. Running the ball means more possession and not a quick fire offense like the Cardinals.
To sign Warner is putting him in a completely different offense and no luxury of a Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, you get the picture. The 49ers gave up the most sacks in the league last year and would have to rebuild the offensive line so that Warner isn’t eaten alive……‘cause he ain’t mobile.
To sign Warner means the Niners need a different offense that is reliant on passing and a guy like Fitzgerald.
But now that the Cards got him I’m scared.
My theory on why Andy Reid doesn't like running the football.
When Andy Reid was 6, his parents wanted him to lose some weight and always asked him to go to the park and run, Annoyed, Andy said "No I'll pass".
by SSreporters on Mar 4, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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