A Trade for the worse?
The Matt Cassel sweepstakes seemed to take a big toll on the NFL. It destoryed Jay Culter's trust in Denver, it made people wonder if Bill took the KC deal because his friend is the gm, or maybe the most shocking of all, was Belichek being nice? As for the niners, this trade has put them in a bad position. By now having the chief picking defense, and quite possibly the Lions with Stafford's average combine, we could see a top 10 filled with defense, oline, and wr. So here's the question on everyone mind; What happens if Everette Brown, Brian Orakpo, Eugene Monroe, Michael Crabtree, and BJ Raji are off the board at #10 (assuming curry and smith is picked)?
Option #1- Take Mark Sanchez
I don't like it, I don't like it one bit, but there is no denying that it is an option. Mike only wants us throwing the ball 30 times a game, at most, putting Mark in an easy situation. Though Shaun Hill has been great, and a 7-3 record with a team that went 5-17 with other QBs is exceptional, he is not the face of a franchise. Mark is athletic, tough, and as we have seen at UCS, a complete QB and truly a "winner."
Option #2- Take on of the remaining T
Michael Oher and Andre Smith shot themselves right into the mid-first round, due to their poor combine performances. Some doubt Michael is a good enough pass blocker to play in the NFL, however, it is quite clear that this guys leadership and work ethics is match by few others and Mike would love this guy. Andre Smith is a different story. He had possibly the worse combine out of anyone. He looked slow, he interviewed poorly, and even left early. Even worse, there are rumors that he doesn't even train. But still, he is clearly the most physically gifted of the tackles and all eyes will be on him on his pro day.
Option #3- Jeremy Maclin
Jeremy is a name that has not been tossed around too much when it comes to the niners drafting him. I honestly don't see why not. He is extremely fast, runs crisp routes, and has some of the best hands in the draft. He reminds me a little of Reggie Wayne. Moran, Hill, and Zig are all solid players, but none will rise to a #1 WR, and this pick would solidify the WR corp for years.
Option #4- Reach for Aaron Maybin, Knowshon Moreno, or Ray Mauluga
Aaron Maybin is an undersized Everette Brown. Although he plays similar to Brown, he is around 15 pounds less and has only one year of experience, so he may be a fluke. RB is not a major need, but Carolina picked Stewert last year and that turned out great. Moreno has bush like lateral quickness, and although he may not have break away speed, he would be an excellent change of pace guy from Gore. Ray Mauluga makes a lot more sense for this pick then people think. He does not have the speed (4.8) to play the Mike LB in a 3-4, but have a non-stop motor and extremely tough. He hits like a ton of bricks and would create one of the most feared LB cores in the NFL.
Option #5- Vonte or Malcolm
CB and FS are pretty big needs for the niners, and these players could truly help. Malcolm Jenkins is a complete package. He has very good speed, great size, is a physical presence in the secondary, and can play FS and CB. Vonte is a pretty similar play to Malcolm. He is a ball-hawk, a tough physical corner, and just an athletic freak. Although his 5'-11" frame would like limit him to CB, he would still be an excellent pick and great along with his older brother Vernon. Hey maybe with his younger brother on the team. Vernon will be more competitive and work even harder.
Option #6- Trade down
This might be the best way to go. Maybe trading with a team in the early 20s and adding a second round pick as well would be great. As I wrote in a previous post, there are almost no picks where a bust cannot be found. Why try to reach for guys that should be in the middle of the first round when we could draft them in the pick they deserve to be in, and adding a second round pick at the same time.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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well thought out
this is something that is really interesting to think about…
im pretty much convinced that most of the options you stated would be ok. i’d be in favor of trading down and picking the best available of the options you listed
however— i don’t want:
andre smith—suspension at the end of the season and horrible combine scare me. has huge bust potential
aaron maybin—undersized speed rusher with very average speed as shown at the combine.
perhaps these players might make me eat my words in a couple years but i wouldn’t risk it.
i say trade down a few spots if possible, and take oher, knowshon, rey rey, vonte, malcolm, or the highest rated WR (i dont know who of maclin, harvin, or nicks will make the best pro and the best fit for the niners). im also not as negative about sanchez and stafford as most people are. i wouldn’t mind picking a QB…
by gogoldenbears on Mar 8, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WR
I think Maclin would be the best WR for the niners(other than crabtree.) The niners do not have much of a history of big WR, but more guys would run great routes and have great hands. Jerry Rice was never a guy who you throw a jump ball to, but what made him great was how quickly he could get open, and always was first to the ball. Harvin is more of a pure speed guy. He can do a lot, but doesn’t really rely on his skills to get the job done. Everyone is an athlete in the NFL, you need to have better skills to be successful. Nicks is a possession guy, and like mentioned earlier, the niners don’t have a positive history with big WR.
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by montasmob69 on Mar 8, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nicks
you’re right about the niners having little success with posession guys, but i’m intrigued by nicks. he has huge hands and catches everything in sight. also he runs fast enough (4.50 while maclin runs not much better at 4.46). i agree about your maclin comparison to reggie wayne. i never thought about it before, but you’re right about their similarities. however, nicks just has more physical tools and incredible hands that could make him special in my opinion. i think he merits the comparison to anquan boldin because of his size and physical tools.
that said, marko mitchell from nevada looks like a good pickup in later rounds. honestly i’ve never seen him play but i’m looking at his measurables and combine numbers and he seems like a good option if we don’t go WR int he first round. about 6’4, 218 with sub 4.5 speed, large hands, and big numbers in college.
who i really don’t want is heyward-bey. i think he will get shut down once he gets to the NFL. i watched a bit of him in college and though he has superior straight line speed, he couldn’t break tackles—makes his great speed negligible—and always seemed to get caught from behind despite his speed.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 9, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks is fantastic
and plays with great open field awareness, think a young TO (without any of the drama – whatsoever, great teammate).
I enjoyed your run down but I think you one thing. The reason that Maclin has slid down draft boards is scouts are saying that he doesn’t run crisp routes and just relies too much on his speed for separation instead of proper execution. Also, I’m happy to see someone who likes Rey M. I still think he’d be a solid addition to our LB corps.
by foosball4949 on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what to do
Well, this is one of those drafts that can go the right way or the wrong way.Last year I thought we didn’t do to bad of a job. We pick up chilo and josh. We still not sure with balmer yet so we have time with him.Reggie smith filled the hole when needed. This year will be different. The team has bigger issue to fill, so its very important to pick the cog to fill in. The 49ers has right tackle and pass rush need real bad. The QB spot is not as bad as it looks.If hill can keep the ball from turnovers we will be fine. You know coach sing will keep the ball in the ground.That means we need more bulk on the O-line.That means we need to draft for the O-lone oher is a better pick then smith. then maybe second round go get that speed rusher we need and the LB spot. Then get a free safety and cb on the later rounds.It’s easier to find good CB later on the draft then finding pass rushers. Thats what my thoughts would be for this year draft. Defense wins championship and a good O-line wins close games.
by 49erdallas76 on Mar 8, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Sing and McC will be able to determine if either A. Smith or Oher have the character and mindset to make it as a starting RT or LT in the NFL
I would prefer if the 9ers traded down a couple and then got Oher and maybe another 2nd as we will need a good OLB/rusher and also a good RB. 3rd or 4th rounds should be for the QB and maybe running back if one doesn’t fit in the 2nd. I am not concerned at all about FS as I think we have the players to fill that spot on the roster already as McSing has stated.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Mar 8, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can definitely see the niners drafting Sanchez if all of the listed players are off the board. I must agree with gogoldenbears, I’m not as negative on Sanchez as other people are.
by sundaysfinest on Mar 8, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's Sanchez that people are opposed to
so much as the idea of drafting, and paying, a top 10 QB in this year’s draft.
At least, that’s where I stand.
by shlecko on Mar 9, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only that
but drafting a top ten QB when the guy has so little experience, and there’s not enough to judge him on
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Ray
While I would prefer to see Brown, Curry, or one of the big OT, I agree that Ray Malauga isn;t that bad of a pick. Assuming (and this is a big assumption, but I don’t think it’s the case) that he isn’t the next Brian Bosworth, aka a college stud linebacker who was the leader of a talented defense but doesn’t have the physical tools to play in the NFL, I wouldn’t be angry about seeing him paired up with Willis. That said, I would prefer to trade down and grab him if we did.
by GTrain on Mar 9, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rey = ted
the more i think about it, the more i think rey rey would be very well suited for the TED linebacker position. he has excellent size, bulk and strength and should be able to take on blockers (if you’ve watched him you know that he seems to love contact) in the NFL to free patrick willis. furthermore, playing alongside willis would really minimize his weaknesses. their skills really compliment each other well. i would love if the niners were able to pick up rey.
however, the more important question is whether we should spend our 1st round pick (#10 or lower depending on the theoretical trade down discussed in this thread) on a TED linebacker when we already have takeo for a couple more years and more glaring needs at DE/OLB and the OL.
still i think we’re not good enough of a team to draft for need in the first round. we should take the best player available, regardless of position… i hope management makes the right decision.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rey
While I definitely agree that the TED alongside Willis could suit Rey really well, count me as one of the few who feel like a TED really isn’t a position you use a first round pick, let along a top 10 pick on. I’ve been in the BPA camp for a while, and I definitely think the 49ers can’t really draft for need. I will have a hard time believing, come draft time, that Rey is a top10 player.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
that was exactly my thinking. it seems like the TED position is a ‘role playing’ position and you don’t spend first round picks and money on them.
however i can’t help but fantasize about having rey rey and patrick teaming together inside in the linebacking core. i will be the first person to change my computer background picture to them standing back to back in uniform. haha and i apologize for that imagery for anyone who doesn’t appreciate it…
by gogoldenbears on Mar 9, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
coughcoughcorpscough
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
i guess you can have a linebacking core too…
by gogoldenbears on Mar 9, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
You literally stole my post. I couldn’t agree more. Rey-Rey and Willis OMG. The only problem is we have more serious needs. As much as I want it, I don’t think it would be the smartest move. I’m not really that worried about QB(WE DEF SHOULDN"T DRAFT A QB WITH OUR FIRST PICK) at least for 1 more year because I say give SMITI one more chance to prove himself, if not Hill can hold it down until next year. We need O-line, Pass rush and CB/FS. I still think we could trade down and still pick up Rey-Rey while adding another 2nd round pick. Offense scores points but defense wins games. With willis and rey in back we could keep our offense on the field and smash mouth all day like coach wants to do. Control the clock. I can’t stop thinking about how sick that D would be………..WOW!
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree the TED is not a 1st round pick. But say he has a bad pro day and is projected to be in the 20s, along with maybe knowshan or maybid, then why don’t we add a second round pick and get a quality payer.
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by montasmob69 on Mar 9, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer we go
with a DE. Follow the Giants mold of stockpiling pass rushers. It helps compensate for poor DB play. which we have. I like Everette Brown, but I am not sold on Maybin.
I wouldnt mind getting Maclin, who I think could be an excellent number 1 for us. With him and brandon jones we would have a big WR and a smaller one, but if we are ever going to develop a qb, we need to give him someone to throw to.
If we cant get either of those, I would prefer Malaluga to a OT. I just dont think those OT are going to do that well and we can survive with Jonas for one more year.
also I think we should try and pickup a RB like Shonn Greene in round 3 for a big bruiser to go with gore, and really look at a QB like Nate Davis in round 3 or 4.
thats just me though
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 9, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DE
The Giants can stockpile DEs because a 4-3 DE is a lot easier to find. A 3-4 OLB, which is where the pass rush is coming from, is a little harder to find, I think.
As for Malaluga instead of an OT, I disagree. I’m pretty sure that the there are at least 4 or 5 OTs that are commonly ranked above Malaluga in terms of the “big board” type rankings. While a couple of them may have some issues, I think the 49ers can definitely benefit from taking a OT and potentially overpaying for a RT than taking Malaluga, and overpaying for a TED.
Besides, you say “survive with Jonas for one more year” as if he actually plays. It’s probably more accurately depicted as surviving with Snyder/Sims for one more year, with which I’d rather take a chance on a rookie.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a 4-3 DE is a lot easier to find. A 3-4 OLB, which is where the pass rush is coming from, is a little harder to find, I think.
I’m not so sure about this. I keep reading things (sorry no link at the moment) about how there are way fewer true DE’s in the draft these days because there are so many spread offenses in college, and the defenses are all moving towards smaller, faster DE’s. Which I guess is still more 4-3 style than 3-4 so maybe I just disproved my own point. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that I think there are going to be more speedy pass rusher types available – making it easier to get a 3-4 OLB. But maybe it just means there are less 3-4 style big bruising DEs and more 4-3 style speedy DEs.
That made no sense, sorry.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smaller college DEs
As you pointed out, they still pretty much play a traditional 4-3 DE style though, as very few of them drop back into coverage (they’re smaller so they can try to go around the tackles, if I understand it correctly). A faster DE does not make a 3-4 OLB, as they still need to learn to drop back into coverage, and judging from the transition we’ve seen with the many DEs the 49ers have tried to convert, it’s no easy task.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Malaluga is severely underrated by the big boards
I am a fan of production rather than combine times. Originally he was slated to go #12 but fell due to him pulling his hammy in his combine run.
Kid is a player and I would love to have him.
I agree that we need an OT, but we are drafting a RT, not a left and for that reason I think it can wait.
Just me tho.
I agree with jackalope tho that 3-4 OLB/DE are actually easier to find, very few colleges have guys the size of NFL De’s. What they do have is a lot of tweeners. Quick guys off the end who played DE in college but would fit a more OLB role in the NFL.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 9, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the 49ers...
… hanker down and take a tackle @ #10, they will try him at LT first and foremost (you can’t pay a RT that much unless he’s failed at LT and you’re stuck with his contract).
As for the 3-4 OLB/DE thing, see my reply to wjackalope.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is more to playing the 3-4 OLB than playing a 4-3 DE in a 2 pt. stance
What you’re failing to recognize is that not very many “smaller” college DE have the skill set to play OLB in the 3-4. While their might be more college DE around the size of the NFL 3-4 OLB it doesn’t mean that any of them have the necessary skill set.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 9, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
Better explanation than mine above.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer a combination of both of ours
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 9, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underrated?
Maualuga is properly rated. He played in a big media market on a ridiculously talented defense. If you think he’s a top 10 prospect, then do you also think his OLB’s (Cushing and Matthews Jr.) weren’t covering up for him when he ran maniacally into the O-Line on bad reads? You do not—sorry, you do not draft a plugger-type LB in the 1st round let alone the top 10.
The guy who may be underrated is Andre Smith. I know that there are character concerns, but you’ve gotta believe that Singletary will get him on the straight and narrow. Prior to the combine, Smith was being touted as a top 3 prospect, and while he hurt himself there, I think we’ll see his stock go up after his Pro Day workout (March 11). His low stock seems like a product of the media cycle—all we’ve heard about him recently is that he had a bad (OK bad doesn’t really cover it) combine. And his character concerns aren’t that outrageous. He was suspended because he made inappropriate contact with an agent, something a Junior who wasn’t sure he was coming out is more likely to do than a guy who’s a senior and has known that this was his final year all along. It’s not like he failed a drug test or hit a woman or whatever else.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 9, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
He’ll be an interesting prospect come draft day, as McCloughan has shown in the past that he’s willing to take chances on some guys if he feels his background check is thorough enough. He just hasn’t used a high draft pick to take those chances with.
Also, with Nolan gone, it’ll be interesting what the 49ers’ stance is on guys who have possible “character” issues. It seems that Smith’s issues, while not of a illegal nature, can be rather serious. It’s not like he didn’t know the Combine was coming, considering he did agree to go. To show up out of shape and then admit as much after being called out can be a serious sign of work ethic issues, specifically, the lack of it.
While I understand Singletary is a very good motivator, if they have a chance to grab someone who they rank just as high (or really close) to Smith but without the possible work ethic issues, I would much rather they take that player. However, if come draft day McCloughan and Co. feel like they’ve done enough homework on Smith and believe his pluses far outweigh his potential negatives and take him, I won’t be terribly upset (as the guy sounds like a serious beast if he sets his mind to it).
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
You’re right, it’ll be interesting to see where the new administration will stand on guys with questionable character. I can see why you’d say that it’d be better if they chose a guy who’s similarly rated w/o the work ethic issues. I just think Smith has the chance to be special and that the media cycle is hurting him.
My thinking on him has been influenced by this article:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f19e64&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Check it out and let me know what you think.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 10, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting article
It’s good to see that teams are still interested in him. From what I understand (even before reading the article), he didn’t really have a whole lot of issues (if any at all) that were made public, so it’s good to see scouts and teams not dropping the hammer on the guy after one mistake.
With that said, it’ll definitely be interesting to see what teams continue to see in him and whether or not the media will turn their opinions around after his Pro Day and any leaked information from the private workouts (with teams). If the Bengals are really interested in him, the 49ers may never get a shot at him, but it’ll be interesting if they do get that shot.
Like you, I think he definitely can be something special. It’s a matter of trusting he understands that he was slacking and that his work is never done, offseason or not.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no denying talent
i think hes a great talent, but based on the past few months with him, it seems like he will be—to use an nba analogy—chris washburn. i know he doesnt have a coke problem (that we know of) but just that type of talent that doesn’t work out for whatever reason. for his sake i hope i’m wrong but it’s just a gut feeling i have.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 10, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your style....
grantmp, you make some really good points and I really enjoy reading your posts. Although I’m a huge fan of Maualuga, taking him at #10 is a huge stretch. You also said what I was thinking, Andre Smith was projected top 3. nothing has changed…..so what he walked away from the combine(he probably didn’t want to have any chance of going to detroit) I think Singletary will get his ass straight. As far as I’m concerned he IS a beast. he’s the same player after the combine then he was before. That agent shit is bologna and his low stock is a product of the media. If you ask me it would be the best come-up of the draft and organization to steel a previously projected top 3 at #10 just cuz he walked away from the combine. The kid wants to get paid and he will produce ont he field!!!
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurt
I don’t think the only thing that hurt Smith was that he walked away from the combine. I think the thing that hurt him more was that he showed up out of shape.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although......
that may have hurt him more, in the grand scheme of things it isn’t irreversable. I know it doesn’t look good as far as his work ethic either but I really think that once he gets signed, especially if we’re lucky enough to have hime under singletary, his work ethic will never be a question in coaches regime…….then again maybe that’s exactly why we won’t have him. To coach it may not be worth the risk based on Smiths decisions
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
People think Singletary can cure work ethic issues with a guy like Smith (an unproven rookie who, while talented, has yet to put on an NFL uniform) but were completely scared away by a guy like Haynesworth.
While I understand Singletary is a movitivator, I don’t think it should be his job to right every bad ship of a player there is. Bad work ethic is a big issue, as it ties in everything from playbook studying, to working out, to practice, to perfecting the on-field product. I understand that Smith is a VERY talented player, but I think there are other talented players ranked at almost the same level he is but don’t carry that baggage.
As I pointed out above, it’ll be interesting to see what the 49ers do. However, they may not get that chance of Cincinatti is really interested, which is seems they are.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith's issues vs. Haynesworth's
The issues with Haynesworth are different in all kinds of ways. When you have the kind of success that Haynesworth has already had at this level, it’s easy to become complacent and to not listen to your superiors. Smith still has to prove himself. If you watched the video there on the NFL.com video, you could see that Smith doesn’t show the kind of hardened character that worries/worried people about Haynesworth. The $$ and injury factors that are there with Haynesworth were probably also playing a role with the misgivings people had.
It seems to me that Singletary’s motivational guru side would play differently with a rookie than with a vet like Haynesworth.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 10, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
andre smith
You guys are starting to make me change my mind about him. Now i kind of want him at 10 if he drops down there. If we get him I sure hope Singletary can work some kind of magic.
If we take him, are we looking at putting him at LT and moving Staley to RT or sticking him over at RT?
by gogoldenbears on Mar 10, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dollars may dictate...
that he starts at LT. I’m not sure that’s a great idea, but if he’s only ever a RT and he’s getting paid 2x what Staley’s getting for playing the ‘more valuable’ position (LT), you’ve gotta know that Staley’s (agent is) gonna get pissy.
The reason I’m high on him is that he’s exactly the kind of run-blocker that Jimmy Raye’s offense would want. So I don’t care if he’s at RT or LT. I just want him paving the way for Gore/Robinson/Clayton/draftedRB.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 10, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Unless Staley gets an extension (which is possible, as McCloughan has said he wants to extend some of their current players), it’s highly unlikely that ANY tackle the 49ers take at #10 won’t at least get a shot at LT at some point in the first year.
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Staley would be pissed
He got put into that role last year and played very well. I would imagine he would not be too happy getting pulled for an unproven rookie…
by gogoldenbears on Mar 11, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends if he's a team player
Would he prefer to continue to play LT for a losing team or would he prefer to move to RT for a winning team?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but
there are no guarantees either way…
if he knew that switching to RT would help the team win, i’m sure he would do it, but how do we know that a rookie like Andre Smith or whoever will be a better LT. we should just throw a rookie there just because the way we’re paying him?
remember that Staley was a first round pick also as a junior and likely could have moved into the top 10 if he had waited until his senior year.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 12, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chances are...
.. the 49ers would ease any drafted tackle into the game as a RT first, much like they did with Staley. If he holds his ground, I think they seriously consider trying him at LT, or they’re going to have to give Staley an extension (and a significant raise).
by sfgfan on Mar 12, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I don’t think the Niners should draft an OT with the 10th pick because Staley has proved he can play LT but the only reason to draft a OT inside the top 10 is because a team wants him to play LT. It’s not just money it’s the pick. RT aren’t worth a top 10 pick.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 12, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RTs
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. We were talking earlier about TED linebackers not being worth a #10 pick. What is the general consensus about RTs being worth a #10 pick.
I think it is similar to the Rey Maulaluga situation with whatever OT we take. Rey has the ability to play MIKE just as any OT we take has the potential to play LT, but they might fit better elsewhere for us. Therefore, potentialwise, they might be good selections at the #10 spot but in terms of ‘positions of fit’ they would not be.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 12, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the OT at #10 talk
Has been based on the idea that Staley gets moved to RT. I just don’t see the point, unless Monroe or J. Smith falls to #10.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Mar 13, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haynesworth vs Smith
After I posted it, I realized that Haynesworth’s price tag probably had a huge effect on the DO NOT WANT opinions. What you say makes sense.
by sfgfan on Mar 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
-I def agree that in order to develop a qb you have to have someone to throw to
-I would much rather have rey rey to an OT cuz none of them look good enough to use #10……mcuh rather sign a FA to fill that gap
-we def need a split back to team up with Gore
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I would much rather have rey rey to an OT cuz none of them look good enough to use #10
Really? I don’t know what planet you’re living on, but I’m seeing plenty of rankings that have Malaluga in the later teens and early twenties while there are at least four or five OTs that are ranked higher than that.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exacty
I would much rather trade down and aquire an additional 2nd round pick AND pick up MAUALUGA where he’s projected than get one of these questionable OT’s at #10. I obviously don’t think it would be smart to use #10 on rey-rey but look at where he’s projected. We could make out in the end
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
I see what you’re saying now. I believe, though, that if the team trades down, they’ll be doing so because they see a RT down there they can get, rather than a TED. I won’t be too upset if they take Maualuga, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I mean in reality as I stated in another post, as much of a fan as I am of Maualuga, RT needs much more attention from us then a TED so your probably right. I would love to get Rey but if they could trade down, get a good RT and additional pick there’s NO WAY i could be upset with that
by 49ers4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree -
this is about as deep of a draft class as you’re ever going to find for OTs. It would be a shame if we walk away from a chance to get one of the best of that group.
I like Maualuga, but we don’t need a MLB, and he doesn’t strike me as so special that you won’t see another guy just like him in each of the next 2-3 draft classes.
by shlecko on Mar 11, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running Back
Don’t go running back first round! We have other issues than a #2 rb. Even if he is the next Gore, we don’t need him. We should go T,DE, FS, in the first 3 rounds (not in order). Also we should get a fullback in a later round just in case. Maybe another WR or TE and also fast RB for a chance of pace.
by iaalexeeff on Mar 9, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry.
There are no RBs at #10 that are worth taking. Even if they traded down, they’d be trading down to try and still get a tackle or a edge rusher, as it’d make little sense to do otherwise.
by sfgfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Sing and McC we already have the FS and a 2nd RB is a priority just not a 1st rounder.
I also believe that OT and DE are two high needs, RB and then a QB, then a CB / FS would be nice
They also mentioned going after another TE and probably a WR which they can get in the middle to later rounds. Also we just signed Moran Norris so we don’t need another FB.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Mar 9, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FB
Plenty of good fullbacks slip through the draft and become UDFA. The 49ers are pretty good at scouting out UDFA and bringing in the ones that really interest them. With Keasey on the roster, though, I don’t think they’ll be looking too hard for a undrafted FB.
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potential FB's
It’d be nice to pick up a UDFA FB to stash on the practice squad. If Raye’s offense is here to stay, I can definitely see them picking one up.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Mar 10, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
will ta'ufo'ou
as a completely biased cal fan—i want this guy
by gogoldenbears on Mar 10, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone except Malcolm Jenkins
He’s highly overrated. We need to either go OT or WR and either in the 2nd or 3rd get with a QB. I say either Maclin/Nicks (accordingly) or Oher/Smith (accordingly). Smith has made some bad decisions but under Saban’s watch, was a stud. Mike’s not the type of guy who can straighten him out.
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by samhitch on Mar 9, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
u mean mike is the type of guy
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on Mar 9, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I meant
Thanks. And I’m actually gonna go out on a limb and say Hakeem Nicks is the best wideout in this draft.
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by samhitch on Mar 9, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jenkins is overrated as a CB but i think he will be a good FS
by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure about overrated as a CB.
From what I understand, he’s technically (and by technical, I mean technique-wise) the best CB in the draft. Physical tools (i.e. measurables), however, may limit him a little bit. A lot of people are starting to fall for Davis, primarily because he’s by far the better physical specimen, but I can definitely envision a team looking at Jenkins as a guy who isn’t the fastest but can eventually play like one of the smartest (something like a Walt Harris clone, maybe, but bigger).
by sfgfan on Mar 10, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIRST 2 PICKS FOR FAVRE
GIT R DUN SABES SINGS
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got worse
With BJ Raji falling to someone in the top 10 regardless that’s one less tackle available the OLB’s and LT’s worth a top 10 pick will be gone we probably will trade with The Eagles
by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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