ESPN the Magazine's Ultimate Standings: 49ers Fans' Opinions Wanted
The fine folks of ESPN the Magazine contacted me late last week to inquire about fan attitudes regarding the 49ers organization. ESPN the Magazine runs something call their "Ultimate Standings," where they rank all the teams from the four major sports. If you've missed the rankings before, here are last year's results and their methodology. Over the last few years, the 49ers have ranked rather poorly in their perception of the franchise (the categories are explained in last year's results above):
| Year | RNK | BNG | FRL | OWN | AFF | STD | PLA | CCH | TTR | Prev Season Standing |
| 2008 | 102 | 94 | 98 | 112 | 103 | 118 | 99 | 97 | 35 | 2007: 5-11 |
| 2007 | 100 | 112 | 88 | 110 | 92 | 119 | 67 | 26 | 30 | 2006: 7-9 |
| 2006 | 81 | 90 | 79 | 79 | 70 | 80 | 79 | 56 | 24 | 2005: 4-12 |
| 2005 | 89 | 70 | 88 | 90 | 89 | 90 | 88 | 91 | 28 | 2004: 2-14 |
| 2004 | 72 | 31 | 95 | 72 | 83 | 104 | 63 | 101 | 17 | 2003: 7-9 |
| 2003 | 31 | 31 | 50 | 38 | 47 | 87 | 29 | 67 | 13 | 2002: 10-6 |
It's certainly not surprising the rankings have gone in the tank as each season has passed. I consider myself an optimistic realist and while I think ownership is improving, I can see why people have a problem with them.
So, the folks at ESPN sent along some questions for me to answer, but I thought it'd be just as useful to get some answers from you guys. Answer as many of them as you want. It's entirely possible they'll publish some of these comments if they succinctly capture the point. Also, if there is something you want to address that's not in the questions, feel free to do so.
1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I've been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it's not new, and there's something that looks like moss growing on it, but how's the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
2) How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they're bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they've kept/cut?
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn't work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary... how are fans reacting to him?
I've posted my own answers after the jump.
1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I've been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it's not new, and there's something that looks like moss growing on it, but how's the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
People definitely want a new stadium, but I think people really care more about the on-field product at this point. As long as the team isn't moved out of the Bay Area, I'm starting to think people aren't as concerned about the stadium as one might expect. I think the folks who are not happy with ownership view the stadium issue as just an extension of the problems they've had with organization as a whole. The economic concerns and lack of money in the NFL's G3 only makes more folks resigned on the stadium issue. It wouldn't surprise me if the franchise ended up just renovating Candlestick, like the Chiefs are doing at Arrowhead.
As far as the game day experience, it's definitely a tough place to watch a game. I personally prefer watching NFL games on tv. However, there's a distinct difference in watching a game at candlestick versus a newer place like Fedex Field.
2) How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
I guarantee you people will disagree with me, but I think the damage was already being undone. As they were slowly working Jed into the picture, John and Denise York were already stepping back on the football operations matters. There have been question marks about the people running football ops, but people can't complain about the team not spending money on quality players. it's one thing to spend cap money just because you have it. However, in bringing in the likes of Justin Smith and Nate Clements, I believe the team has shown a commitment to improving the on-field product, whatever the cost.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they're bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they've kept/cut?
Many fans view the organization as not having any vision from the top all the way down to the coaching staff. The example going around is the attempt to sign Kurt Warner. Coach Singletary indicated he wanted a power running team and Kurt Warner would seem to go against that. Although I think a good QB is a good QB, I can see how people would view it that way. It comes across as though Coach Singletary doesn't really know what he wants. As a optimistic realist (or realistic optimist, maybe?) I don't quite view it that way. I view it as going after the proverbial "best player available" to improve the team. Maybe Warner doesn't quite fit the philosophy you're building around, but he's a good QB nonetheless.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn't work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary... how are fans reacting to him?
The optimists are extremely excited for the Singletary era. There's nothing that can be said that will shake their confidence. Other folks are probably more curious than anything else. They acknowledge he could succeed, but also don't think it's time to start printing playoff tickets. I think I sit in the middle. I recognize that Mike Singletary really doesn't have a whole ton of coaching experience. Accordingly, I won't get myself amped up to the point of thinking he's the second coming of Bill Walsh. At the same time, I think he showed the team and the fans something in closing out the second half of last season. I'm optimistic going forward.
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1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
As an east coast fan (from CT) I’ve only been to two 49ers games. The first was at Giants stadium in 2007, when an exciting first half gave way to a monumental collapse in the 2nd. The second game, I was a Candlestick for the Jets game. First off, as the whole live game experience is still pretty new to me and this was my the first time at Candlestick… I was pretty damn pumped. I had visited San Fran a few years back in the spring, so I got to see the outside of the stadium and nothing more. Things started off great with the massive tailgating party going on outside. Giants stadium was pathetic compared to what I witnessed. My girlfriend and I noticed the Alumni Tailgate Party area, but not having done my research, didn’t realize you needed to have gotten tickets. Luckily my girlfriend was quite persuasive and used the east coast bit to get us in. Good food, free beer and ex-Niners greeted us inside. Great way to get even more pumped up for the game.
Now, onto the actual stadium. As I said, this was only my second NFL game, so I have only Giants stadium to compare. The stadium definitely shows its age and at the very least really needs some decent renovations. But the atmosphere was amazing. And I cannot imagine what Qwest Field must be like, cause I was deaf by the 1st quarter. We were sitting behind one of the endzones, in the 4th row, and when the Jets were pinned deep in that endzone the roar behind us was incredible. Overall I had a great experience at the stadium, and don’t really see what all the fuss is about. All I think that is needed is a little makeover, and an improvement of the walkway around the outside of the stadium, as it was way too thin for the most part, and more concession areas.
Maybe when I see a few more games I’ll be able to be more critical… but let’s be honest, this is my Mecca and I finally made the pilgrimage, so my perspective is slightly skewed.
by Sebaz49 on Mar 9, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
As a season ticket holder for one year (the 07-08 campaign), I’ve had numerous opportunities to check the stadium out. My feelings? I don’t see why people are complaining. Sure a flashy, new stadium would bring a little more revenue, but who honestly has decided to not go to a game because “the stadium is old” ? I don’t think it’s that much of a issue as some are making. It’s old, but it still has that feel to it. No structural problems either (I hope). Basically, it’s not an issue to the fans that are there for the team. Plus, I don’t want them moved to Santa Clara, which seems most reasonable if a new stadium were in place. I’m scared the because Newsom is an idiot, he might lose us the team.
2) How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
I don’t know, as long as it’s getting done, I’m okay with whatever. Maybe a year or so more of solid drafts, good FA signings, and smart contracts.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they’re bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they’ve kept/cut?
I guess the fans are bitter with the couple years of no improvement. We understand that rebuilding takes a little, but it seems like sometimes random and intelligent fans have better plans than the 49ers brass does. The bitterness, I guess, is knowing that dumb moves are being made and not being able to do anything about it.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn’t work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary… how are fans reacting to him?
Same optimism, but more support and hopefulness. It’s that finesse and glamor that Nolan didn’t have. Pantsing himself, kicking The Disease out of the game, the intangibles that Nolan didn’t really have. The discipline. The sense of direction.
The eyes.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Mar 9, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
I think a new stadium would be nice or maybe even renovating the stick but as for affecting fans feelings of the team i dont see it as a negative affect at all. The stick is the stick, it’s home. It may be getting old but it holds major sentimental value… that stadium has seen some of the greatest games played by some of the greatest teams. I’ve been going to the stick for years both for the niners and not so long ago the giants. The atmosphere is great, tailgaiting is a blast, its right there on the bay and you cant leave out the winds sweeping off the point. Niners fans love Candlestick Park so much when monters sponsership was up a measure was put on the ballot to ban corporate sponsership of the Stick and to return the name to candlestick park. I say renovate the stick.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they’re bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they’ve kept/cut?
Bitter? I was bitter about the nolan dismissal. I’m bitter about the fact that it’s almost becoming routine to bring in a new offensive coordinator every year. I’m bitter we let Martz go. I’m bitter about the fact that we have brought in the right peices and are close to something special but lack of continuity is holding us back.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn’t work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary… how are fans reacting to him?
I don’t think we should have let nolan or Martz go. Don’t get me wrong singletary is a beast and a good coach but really i think nolan was o n the right track. Its hard to knock a guy when you have 4 different offensive coordinators over a four year span. Nolan is a defensive mind though is he not? Has our defense not imporprooved drastically? Would it have not been even better had the offensive been able to provide a breather or two hear or there? On the same thought you can’t knock alex smith either…. Alex learned 4 diff offenses in four years, he was thrown into the mix of a rebuilding team and expected to be Joe or Steve. Joe and steve had great quaterback coaches and under turner Alex actually looked to be making strides but turner goes to SD. Did Alex have a great quarterback to study under? no. So nolan brings in Martz one of the top minds in football. I was stoked. Expecially because we had what detroit didn’t and st loius did a great back. Martz could groom alex and boost our offense and boost our offense he did didn’t he? We loose some close games early and they let Nolan go? BS. The thing about Mike Martz system is its complex, there are so many different plays to learn and timings to master and its no surprise that we got off to a slow start our first year running it but right about the time nolan is released you could see the offense starting to click. Regardless we had put up numbers we hadn’t for a few years. Do i think singletary turned around our season? No. Nolan would have finished the same way but we win a few games when we start running the offense right and he’s a hero. But then he lets Martz go? to favor a heavy running offense? Lets consider this…. frank gore is a hell of a running back but he has had injury problems, he needs to be utilized better but now we want to stick him in the middle of smash mouth run first football is he durable enough to handle it? and who is our offensive coordinator this year? I love my niners and i have all the faith in the world in them besides what do i know i’m just a die hard fan if i was a football mastermind they would be paying me to coacH!
by thethrill916 on Mar 9, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
The team needs a new stadium. It would give the franchise new outlook, boast revenue and I believe be a recruiting tool for free agents. With that said the outside stadium experience is still top notch. How can anyone complain about a sunny, 68 degree afternoon with a slight breeze looking over the scenic bay? That good tailgate mood is usually carried into the stadium which makes you look past some of the wear and tear.
2) How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
The York’s had already been repairing some of the damage they caused when the family initialing took over. Although Nolan didn’t work out in the win column, he did run the franchise like a professional football team and wasn’t saddled with ownership interference or the pettiness of the past. The York’s also picked up the slack on the stadium issue. Although the team lacks a resolution, ownership has at least been pursuing a plan instead of allowing the issue to lay dormant.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they’re bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they’ve kept/cut?
Alex Smith is still sore spot among fans. Because of Smith their is a perception the team hasn’t been very good in the draft. However, if you look at the remaining top picks under the Nolan/McCloughan tenure those players appear to be blue chippers for the team. Also, it’s nice not being in salary cap hell after every season.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn’t work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary… how are fans reacting to him?
The Nolan era wasn’t all bad. The wins never showed up but he left plenty in cupboard for Singletary to build from. What Nolan did leave was a management structure, some young talent and salary cap money. None of which existed when he took over.
Singletary does appear to have a better understanding on how to coach this unit. Nolan never did pin down an O-coordinator and hiring Mike Martz never made sense given we had been building a power run / ball control club. Nolan’s inability to settle on 3-4 or 4-3 scheme also grew tiring. Singletary’s moves might seem underwhelming so far but at least he appears to have settled on a team identity, most importantly it matches the team’s personnel. The blue print is more ‘85 Bears than Walsh’s ’88 49ers but we are willing to give it a shot.
by bignerd on Mar 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1) How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
I have mixed feelings about a new stadium.
On the one hand, I don’t really care about how nice the stadium is. The only thing I would like improved is food and beverage stands so that it doesn’t take half a quarter to get a drink. I also don’t want to pay the increased prices that will likely accompany a new stadium. As an SF resident, I’m also concerned about traveling to a new stadium all the way in Santa Clara. It takes almost a hour to get there now via bus. I can’t imagine how long it will take once they’re in the south bay. Finally, as a season ticket holder I’m concerned about what’s going to happen to my seats (and my “personal seat license”).
All that said, I can see the argument for a new stadium – it is rather old and I don’t begrudge the owners’ right to try to make more money (which would hopefully translate into more spending on players). However, I do not think its appropriate for the stadium to be paid for with taxpayer money. The economy is terrible and the struggling budgets of state and local governments are well documented.
All in all, I’d be perfectly happy without a new stadium, but if one is built it should be paid for by the people who will reap the economic rewards (i.e. the team) and it should have good public transportation options so there aren’t thousands of cars driving to it (which just leads to traffic jams and frustrated fans). Short beer lines would also be much appreciated, but that might be asking for too much.
2) How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
All in all, the ownership no longer appears to be an impediment to success, but it does not yet appear to be an asset. I’m hopeful about Jed. While he’s young, he appears to actually care about the success of the team. While he might make some rookie mistakes, I think his rise to power will end up being a good thing in the long run. However, the damage to the team was really wrought by poor drafting by the pre-Nolan regime (which is only partial ownership related) and by poor OC selection (which is totally ownership related). However, with Jed and Jimmy Ray stepping in, the poor OC selection may have (hopefully) already resolved itself. The poor drafting pre-2005, however, will probably haunt the team for another couple of seasons.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they’re bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they’ve kept/cut?
I wouldn’t say I’m bitter. Disappointed is more like it. I’m disappointed by the OC choices. I’m disappointed by the Alex Smith pick (although I understood the thinking at the time). I’m disappointed by the Vernon Davis pick (a TE at #6? really?). However, there are plenty of other draft picks that have gone well over the past few years (Gore in the 3rd, Walker in the 6th, Willis, Staley, Haralson in the 5th, Hill in the 3rd, Goldson in the 5th, Rachal and Morgan last year). The FA acquisitions have been more than decent of late (with the notable exception of Jonas Jennings).
I think the team’s current struggles (and the source of any bitterness) can be traced to three factors: (1) terrible drafting by the pre-Nolan regime (2004 #1 – Rashan Woods, 2003 #1 – Kwame Harris. Yikes.), (2) Alex Smith’s struggles (a big deal given the fanfare with which he was drafted, the importance of his position, and the size of his contract), and (3) the inability to hire and retain a competent OC (which is certainly related to #2).
That said, we appear to be on the road to recovery. The drafting has been better. The FA acquisitions have been intelligent. And we’ve finally seemed to have brought in an OC who is both qualified and not a stop-gap. I’m hopefully, and hope and bitterness don’t mix.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn’t work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary… how are fans reacting to him?
Like Fooch, I’m cautiously optimistic about the Singletary regime. That said, the jury is clearly still out on him. The aspect I’m most optimistic about is his apparent ability to inspire respect from players. That’s a rare skill that I hope will translate into better player development and the opportunity to turn around some players that may have had some character or other issues before coming to the team.
by kiyoshi on Mar 9, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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My hopes were raised when they fired Nolan and hired Singletary who started Hill. Very much improved team when that happen.But, right now, it’s being crush by McCloughan, regarding the FA market. I watch jed during a short interview with espn regarding warner and he pass on the question. not good, I know he’s young and I’m sure he will take part in running this team in the future. but like any rookie coming in, he will need time
by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 9, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
1)How much does the stadium issue impact fan feelings about the team? I’ve been to Candlestick, but not with people in it (just there for a story and inside the empty stadium). Obviously it’s not new, and there’s something that looks like moss growing on it, but how’s the experience inside/outside on game day? Do fans want a new building, or just for the conversation about it to stop?
I think fans care more about a winning team right now. If the 49ers were a contender, I wouldn’t care if the Stadium is old. It’s what’s on the field that counts. A new Stadium would be nice, but not if the team stinks it up, losing to the Raiders, or has more fans of the opposition than fans of the home team. I hope when they do put a shovel in the dirt, it’s in SF, not a few miles out of San Jose.
2)How hard will it be for Jed York to undo the damage of his dad?
He isn’t off to a great start already. He basically kept the same guys from Nolan’s failed regime. His parents still hold influence on the Organization. Jed really didn’t emerge until the 49ers were in crisis. If Jed wanted to fix his Dad’s mistake, he should have insisted that Nolan be fired right after his 3rd season, and clean house. Not hiring a good GM or VP that has real NFL experience just follows the same path as John York, and I think they go with the Status Quo because they don’t want someone in there to intimidate Jed, just like real NFL people intimidated John York.
3) You mentioned that fans are bitter. Are there specific things they’re bitter about? Policies the team has adopted, players they’ve kept/cut?
Fans are bitter because they see no real plan from the Organization, and there are more cracks in it than Tommy Lee Jones’ face. They do OK, not spectacular, with players. They still don’t have a good QB in place, and even after a few years, still have question marks all over the team. I wish they ditched the stupid Dog and Pony schtick of the "Faithful" campaign, and the "State of the Franchise" pep rallies. That’s pure Bush League, and even more of an indicator that they have no experience in running an NFL Franchise.
4) People seemed hopeful about Mike Nolan, and that didn’t work out. The same sort of optimism seems to be there with Singletary… how are fans reacting to him?
Nolan didn’t have any Head Coaching experience when he was a prospective choice. What do the 49ers do? Give him absolute autonomy with powers that went beyond being a Head Coach. He didn’t even have a GM in place. One thing 49ers always point out was Nolan’s inability to find an OC that stuck around. What do the 49ers do after firing Nolan? They hire a guy who will have the same problem, with even less experience as a coach. He fired a guy who actually helped him win games, and his job. One of the reasons the 49ers won those games was the passing game, and a bit of luck. At least he has a GM in place, albeit a guy who is a leftover from Nolan’s failed regime.
Which begs the real question: Is Singletary setup to succeed, or fail in SF? This will be Singletary’s first full off-season as a Head Coach, ever. He has never even had an off-season as a Co-ordinator. He still has a lot of in-experience in his FO, along with multiple VP’s who, if they weren’t in the NFL, would be Execs at a failed Financial endeavor, waiting for a Government bailout. It’s kind of hard to have confidence in Head Coach when the 49ers have guys in charge who brought them into a recession of sorts.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Mar 9, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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