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The Art (and Science) of Drafting: IIa. The Policy Regime (1994-1998)

AUTHOR'S NOTE: Apologize in advance, but the team and player page tags aren't working for me right now for some reason. I'll attempt to link them shortly.

On Wednesday, in Part 1 of my review of 49er draft history, I broke down their picks since 1994 by round, position, and conference. Just to refresh everyone's memory, here's the overall Niner draft strategy I came up with based on my breakdown:

  1. When we're good, let's trade away picks. When we're bad, let's acquire more picks.
  2. Trade up into the 1st round using 2nd-round picks. Trade down into the 6th and 7th rounds using 5th-round picks.
  3. Take players from BCS conferences.
  4. Dominate the neighborhood (i.e., take Pac-10 players).
  5. Wait until Day 2 to draft QBs, RBs, and WRs.
  6. Grab TEs, LBs, and DBs in the late rounds for depth and special teams.
  7. Don't pull an Al Davis (i.e., Ks and Ps are not draft-worthy).

As I mentioned at the end of Part 1, this overall strategy actually represents a conglomeration of strategies for 4 different 49er GMs (and coach-GM duos):

  1. Carmen Policy, who ran the draft from 1994-1998
  2. Bill Walsh, who ran the draft from 1999-2001
  3. Terry Donahue, who ran the draft from 2002-2004
  4. Scot McLoughan and Mike Nolan (aka McNolan), who ran the draft from 2005-2008

Of particular interest, above and beyond the Niners' overall draft strategy, are the individual strategies (and results) for each regime. There are a few reasons why knowing the regime info is important. First, it allows us to compare the 4 regimes both in terms of the strategies themselves, as well as their effectiveness at drafting starters and Pro Bowlers. I'm sure the conventional wisdom out there among 49er fans, for example, is that Walsh and Policy were more successful than Donahue and McNolan. So 2 potential questions that arise out of a knowledge of regime results are, "Is this conventional wisdom true?" and, "If so, are differences in draft strategy an explanation for why it's true?"

The second reason why it's important to know the regime strategies is related to the first. Namely, we can compare 49er regimes with those of other teams. I'll be doing just that in Part 4 of this piece. Finally, it's important to know the regime strategy for McNolan in particular because it gives us a rough blueprint for what to expect in this year's draft.

I know I said in Part 1 that I was going to tackle all 4 regimes in today's post, but I soon realized that such a post would be the longest in the history of blogging. Therefore, I've decided to change up the schedule a little bit. Rather than detailing all 4 regimes in one post, I'm going to break Part 2 into 4 subsections (2a-2d), one for each regime. So here's the revised schedule:

  1. 4/10/09 - Policy regime drafts (1994-1998)
  2. 4/11/09 - Walsh regime drafts (1999-2001)
  3. 4/13/09 - Donahue regime drafts (2002-2004)
  4. 4/14/09 - McNolan regime drafts (2005-2008) and comparisons
  5. 4/15/09 - Comparison of SF and NE team draft strategies
  6. 4/17/09 - Comparison of SF and NE regime draft strategies

Before I begin with the regime breakdowns, a couple of "buyer beware" caveats are necessary that will apply to each of the 4 posts. First, because we're talking about 118 picks spread out over 4 regimes, the sample sizes are pretty small for each specific regime. So I'll be trying as hard as possible to focus only on strategies and strategy differences that are extremely glaring. Second, because we're talking about a 15-year time span here, I'm going to be vigilant about keeping each regime's picks in the context of where the Niners were as a team when the picks were made. For instance, the team had increasingly deteriorating DEF stats at the end of the 1990's, so it's no wonder that Walsh took DEF player after DEF player from 1999-2001. The strategy means nothing without the context, and, in fact, this phenomenon illustrates an additional aspect of draft strategy in and of itself, i.e., whether or not each team (or regime) drafted according to needs.

After the jump, I'll put the Policy drafts in context; break the results down by position, draft day, and conference; and provide the idiot's guide to Policy draft strategy...

Star-divide

Here again is the link to my Excel spreadsheet of 49er draft picks in the Salary Cap Era, which can serve as both a permanent reference on Niners Nation and a resource for your own investigations into 49er draft picks:

49er Draft Picks 1994-2008

If you haven't taken a look at it yet, here's what's in it for those who are interested:

  1. List of 49er picks and pick details (year, round, pick, position, height, weight, school, conference, BCS?, starter?, and Pro Bowler?) from 1994-2008
  2. List of 49er picks and pick details from 1994-1998 (Policy drafts)
  3. List of 49er picks and pick details from 1999-2001 (Walsh drafts)
  4. ist of 49er picks and pick details from 2002-2004 (Donahue drafts)
  5. List of 49er picks and pick details from 2005-2008 (McNolan drafts)
  6. Number of picks in each overall and regime total broken down by round, position, and conference
  7. Percentage of picks in each overall and regime row total (with breakdowns)
  8. Percentage of picks in each overall and regime column total (with breakdowns)
  9. Percentage of picks in each overall and regime total (with breakdowns)

OK, on with the show...

IN CONTEXT

First, the context...and what a context it was! From 1994-1998, the 49ers won just over 12 games per season, made the playoffs all 5 years, and won Super Bowl XXIX. Obviously, that success was built over the course of several drafts that preceded 1994, but Carmen Policy was nevertheless the primary architect beginning in 1991 (with the help of Vinny Cerrato).

So what possible needs could there have been for the 49ers during these halcyon days? More than you think:

  • 1994 Draft - Key Losses: FB Tom Rathman (free agency), DL Ted Washington (trade), DL Kevin Fagan (retirement), and LB Mike Walter (retirement). Weak 1993 Stats: 23rd in rushing TDs allowed, K had 61.5% accuracy rate. Lingering Issues: Still hadn't found a worthy replacement for LB Charles Haley; still couldn't stop the Cowboys' running game. Needs: FB, DL, LB, K.
  • 1995 Draft - Key Losses: RB Ricky Watters (free agency) and DB Dieon Sanders (free agency). Weak 1994Stats: None. Lingering Issues: Except for William Floyd and Derrick Deese, entire starting OFF was 30 or older. Needs: RB, DB, OFF depth.
  • 1997 Draft - Key Losses: Wallace (retirement), Barton (retirement), and K Jeff Wilkins (free agency). Weak 1996 Stats: None. Lingering Issues: Still hadn't found a worthy replacement for Watters or Sanders; old-timers Young, TE Brent Jones, and LB Gary Plummer missed 15 total games due to minor injuries. Needs: RB, OL, DB, K, OFF depth, LB depth.
  • 1998 Draft - Key Losses: Floyd (free agency), Jones (retirement), OL Jesse Sapolu (retirement, DL Dana Stubblefield (free agency), Plummer (retirement), and DB Rod Woodson (free agency). Weak 1997 Stats: OFF DVOA dropped to 13th. Lingering Issues: had major injuries to DB Marquez Pope and old-timer WR Jerry Rice. Needs: FB, TE, LB, DB, OL, DL, LB, DB, WR depth.

For the most part, a vast majority of the needs were on offense, and overall, their needs had to do with youth and depth. However, rather than through the draft, the 49ers addressed most of these needs via free agency. Specifically, Jackson was signed to replace Fagan, RB Garrison Hearst was signed to replace Watters, Pope (feebly) and Woodson (fleetingly) were signed to replace Sanders, DL Chris Doleman was signed to replace Jackson, DB Darnell Walker was signed to replace Davis, K Gary Anderson was signed to replace Wilkins, OL Kevin Gogan was signed to replace Sapolu (after permanently moving OL Chris Dalman to C), and LB Winfred Tubbs was signed to replace Plummer. The point here is that the Niners' issues from 1994-1998 had more to do with age than performance, and yet they chose to address those issues by signing high-performing free agents. In NFL Dynasties 101, the Policy regime must have skipped over Chapter 10 of the required textbook, which is entitled, "Free Agency: A Faustian Bargain."

SECOND FIDDLE

From 1994-1998, the 49ers made 29 selections in the NFL draft, which works out to about 6 picks per season. Given that their overall rate has been about 8 picks per season over the past 15 years, you can already tell that the Policy regime was to blame when it came to trading away picks. As I just said, part of the reason for this had to do with the fact that they chose to address most of their needs during free agency. Another likely reason for the "fold ‘em" draft strategy - and this is obviously just speculation - is that the Policy regime saw the gaudy stats and continued playoff success during his tenure, and figured the best strategy in that context was to draft for immediate help -  rather than depth or potential - by trading up for the blue chippers. Indeed, the Niners only had 4 picks in 1995, and no 1st-round pick in 1996 because they sold the farm to take WR J.J. Stokes. Similarly, they only had 3 picks in 1997 because they traded their 5th-, 6th-, and 7th-round picks to take - wait for it - FB Mark Edwards and TE Greg Clark.

So reframing the argument I made in Part 1, if we define "drafting for now" as getting younger and deeper at key positions, then the Niners did not "draft for now" when they were good during the Policy regime years; they also didn't "draft for the future" given the plethora of picks they traded away. Rather, it's more that they simply decided to basically not draft at all. That is, the draft played second fiddle to free agency.

ASSUME THE POSITION

So what did the 49ers do with the 29 picks they actually held onto from 1994-1998? Overall, the Policy regime took 16 OFF players, 12 DEF players, and 1 ST player. In terms of positions, they took 5 WRs, 5 LBs, 4 OLs, 4 DLs, 3 FBs, 3 DBs, 2 TEs, 1 QB, 1 RB, and 1 K. Relating these numbers back to team needs, they drafted Floyd to replace Rathman, DT Bryant Young to replace Washington, LB Lee Woodall to replace Haley, K Doug Brien to replace K Mike Cofer, WR Terrell Owens to replace Taylor, and DB R.W. McQuarters to replace Woodson.

Although this certainly indicates that they did address some positional needs in the draft, it's more interesting to notice (a) what positions they didn't address, and (b) the timing of their positional need picks. Specifically, Policy's 49ers drafted only 1 RB despite the obvious negative implications of losing Watters. Some people (like me) think that Watters' departure was the beginning of the end of the on-the-field dynasty, so its' mindboggling that the Policy regime chose to muddle through 1995-1997 with RBs Derek Loville and Terry Kirby. And the RB that the Policy regime did pick? That would be Stephen Pitts in the 6th round; definitely a household name. Similarly, despite losing 4 Pro Bowl OLs during his tenure (not to mention the increase in Steve Young's injury proneness), the Policy regime only took 4 OLs in 5 drafts. He also took only 3 DBs despite losing both starting CBs and much of the secondary depth beginning in 1995. Indeed, some analysts were shocked (shocked!) that the Niners chose to trade away their 1997 picks for a QB, FB, and TE; rather than addressing their glaring, perennial needs at OL and DB.

Now, the second interesting piece of the positional need puzzle: timing. During the same time that the Policy regime basically ignored RB, OL, and DB - the Niners' 3 biggest needs - he sure did choose an inordinate number of WRs and LBs. Think about that for a second. The 49ers had the G.O.A.T., and they chose WR as the position on which to focus most of their draft picks. Granted, Taylor was getting old, so drafting to replace their #2 WR was reasonable. However, trading most of your draft to move up in the 1st round is something you do to replace your #1 WR, not your #2. Now think about LB. They had - arguably - the best LB corps in the NFL from 1994-1997, yet they chose to focus most of their draft picks on that position.

You might be thinking to yourself, "but you said before that they were supposed to be using the draft for depth (and youth)!" You're right, but only if you ignore the context. My point here is that, when your major positional needs are RB, OL, and DB for 5 years running, and you have only 29 picks to work with, you don't go focusing your youth and depth solutions at WR and LB. Sure, hindsight is 20/20; and I know it's easy to look back and say Stokes, WR Corey Fleming, WR Iheanyi Uwaezouke, WR Ryan Thelwell, LB Kevin Mitchell, LB Anthony Peterson, LB Antonio Armstrong, and LB Sam Manuel were wasted picks given their performance (or lack thereof). But, to me, their (poor) performance is only relevant in the context of draft strategy: they shouldn't have been taking so many WRs and LBs in the first place, so missing on most of them only served to exacerbate their lack of attention to RB, OL, and DB. I mean, if after losing Watters, Sanders, Davis, and all those OLs, they would have drafted repeatedly for these positions, would we have b*tched as much if they didn't hit? I don't think so because at least they were giving it the ol' college try (pun intended). Alternatively, might they have hit more at these need positions if they took more bites at the apple? Probably, given their relative success overall (which I detail in the next paragraph). Instead, as fans, we were faced with a double dose of dynasty destruction: drafting busts at the "want" positions and ignoring the "need" positions. The Policy regime's drafts leave a sour taste because, in essence, he was fiddling while Rome burned.

Looking back, this lack of attention to need positions in the draft really is a shame because it's not like Policy and company were bad talent evaluators. To the contrary, 41.4% of their 29 picks became regular starters for the Niners, and 20.7% made the Pro Bowl as a Niner. Breaking these down by position, they drafted 3 starters at FB, 2 at WR and DB, and 1 each at TE, OL, DL, LB, and K. In terms of Pro Bowlers, they drafted 1 each at FB, WR, OL, DL, LB, and DB. Given the overall stats I presented in Part 1 (42.4% and 9.3%, respectively), Policy's regime was by far the best of the 4 when it came to drafting Pro Bowlers; they drafted more than the other 3 regimes combined (5). Of course, as I'm sure you realize, Pro Bowlers tend to come from winning teams; so maybe that's why the Policy regime "found" more of them. You know, it's a kind of chicken-and-egg thing.  And just in case you didn't notice, that was 3 starters (30.0%) and 2 Pro Bowlers (20.0%) among the 10 total picks the Policy regime made at RB, OL, and DB. Although the lone DB Pro Bowler actually played S (Lance Schulters), that's still a good Pro Bowl rate; even more evidence in favor of my "bites at the apple" argument that more picks at these positions might have led to more need-based draft success.

Of their 5 drafts, the Policy regime's most impressive was their 1994 effort, which produced 4 players (Young, Floyd, Brien, and Woodall) who started as rookies for the Super Bowl XXIX squad, and 2 49er Pro Bowlers (Young and Woodall). Not far behind was the 1998 draft, which produced 3 starters (OL Jeremy Newberry, Shulters, and FB Fred Beasley), all of whom made the Pro Bowl as a Niner.

One last thing I'll say about positional needs, and how they were addressed. In case you were wondering, here are the Policy regime's positional picks by draft day:

Pos

Day 1

Day 2

Total

QB

1

0

1

RB

0

1

1

FB

2

1

3

WR

3

2

5

TE

1

1

2

OL

2

2

4

DL

2

2

4

LB

1

4

5

DB

2

1

3

K

1

0

1

P

0

0

0

Total

15

14

29

 

As you can see, they actually ended up with nearly an even split of picks between Day 1 and Day 2 despite trading away so many. That's because trading away Day 2 of the 1997 draft balanced out the effect of trading away Day 1 in 1995. In addition, the only position in which there seemed to be any draft day preference whatsoever was at LB (Day 2), which I suppose softens the blow of picking too many LBs. However, lack of attention to positional needs on Day 1 (0 RBs, 2 OLs, and 2 DBs) re-hardens the blow (that's what she said; sorry, had to).

Bottom line - Here's what I think are the main things to take away from this section:

  • The Policy regime mostly took WRs and LBs despite having more pressing needs at RB, OL, and DB.
  • The Policy regime traded away a lot of picks to move up in the draft for positions they didn't need.
  • The Policy regime had a Pro Bowl rate that was over twice the 49er average from 1994-2008, and the rate at need positions suggests more attention should have been focused on them.
  • Except for taking more LBs on Day 2, the Policy regime spread their positional picks out evenly between draft days. In other words, there was no Day 1 focus on glaring positional needs.

CONFERENCE ROOM

As was the case with the overall total from 1994-2008, the highest percentage of Policy regime draft picks came from the Pac-10 (6). Among the other conferences represented, there were 4 Big 12 picks, 3 Big 10 picks, 3 Big East picks, 3 Notre Dame picks, 2 Big West picks, 2 SEC picks, 1 ACC pick, 1 Atlantic 10 pick, 1 MSFA pick, 1 PSAC pick, 1 Southern pick, and 1 WAC pick. What stands out here is their affinity for picking players from schools that are close to home. Over half of the picks (65.5%) came from conferences that mostly play in or west of the Central time zone, which isn't so coincidental given the Niners' location, and that of Eddie Debartolo's home (Youngstown, OH) and alma mater (Notre Dame). Also, it didn't hurt that Policy himself was born, and got his undergraduate degree, in OH.

If we break it down according to the BCS, we find that 75.9% of the Policy regime's picks came from BCS schools. Going back to the 49ers' overall BCS rate from 1994-2008 (79.7%), it seems that the Policy regime was par for the course when it came to drafting big-school talent. What's interesting about this, though, is how good the Policy regime was at finding small-school diamonds in the rough: Woodall (PSAC; Division II), Owens (Southern; Division IAA), and Schulters (Atlantic 10; Division IAA) all made the Pro Bowl as a 49er after being drafted from non-Division-IA - let alone non-BCS - schools.  Indeed, although their BCS and non-BCS starter rates (40.9% and 42.9%, respectively) were as expected from Part 1, the Policy regime's Pro Bowl rate for non-BCS picks was 42.9%, which dwarfs both their Pro Bowl rate for BCS picks (13.6%) and the Niners' overall non-BCS Pro Bowl rate in the Salary Cap Era (12.5%).

When it comes to positions, the Policy regime pretty much followed the 80% rule of overall 49er draft strategy. The only exceptions were at DB (66.7%), LB (60.0%), and TE (50.0%). However, when combining positions into team units, the conclusion is different. In line with expectation, 81.3% of the OFF picks were from BCS schools. However, only 66.7% of the DEF picks came from BCS schools, which is well below the overall 49er rate of 79.3%.

Here's a table showing the number of BCS and non-BCS players that the 49ers have selected on each day of the draft:

BCS?

Day 1

Day 2

Total

Yes

14

8

22

No

1

6

7

Total

15

14

29

 

Not surprisingly, the Policy regime took 93.3% of their Day 1 picks from BCS schools, which is in line with the 89.8% overall BCS rate for the Niners. However, on Day 2, rather than the non-BCS rate tripling as it did in the overall numbers, it instead increased 6-fold to 42.9%! Clearly, the Policy regime absolutely adored those diamonds in the rough, most likely because he was actually good at finding them.

So I think I've established that the Policy regime was good at picking players from non-BCS schools, and that they picked more of these non-BCS players on Day 2. To further illustrate this point, the tables below show starters by draft day broken up into BCS and non-BCS picks:

BCS Picks

Starter?

Day 1

Day 2

Total

Yes

8

1

9

No

6

7

13

Total

14

8

22

 

Non-BCS Picks

Starter?

Day 1

Day 2

Total

Yes

1

2

4

No

0

4

3

Total

1

6

7

 

Among players taken from BCS schools, the 49ers' starter rate dropped from 57.1% on Day 1 to 12.5% on Day 2. Likewise, the non-BCS starter rate dropped from 100.0% on Day 1 to 33.3% on Day 2. However, what's interesting here is that the Policy regime's starter rate was better for non-BCS picks on both draft days. Not to beat a dead horse, but the Policy regime hit on Day 2 non-BCS players at an inordinate rate when compared to the overall 49er stats from 1994-2008. Again, this begs the question, "Why, then, did they trade away Day 2 in 1997?" For Edwards and Clark no less! Your guess is as good as mine.

Bottom line - Here's what I think are the main things to take away from this section:

  • The Policy regime took players from conferences that were close to home.
  • The Policy regime had a higher BCS rate for OFF picks than DEF picks.
  • The Policy regime took more non-BCS players on Day 2 of the draft than Day 1.
  • On both draft days, the Policy regime had better starter and Pro Bowl rates for picks from non-BCS schools.

GENERAL ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION

During the course of doing my research and stats for this article, it became apparent to me that the period in 49er history from 1994-1998 should be named, "Auto Pilot." I think both the Policy regime and 49er fans entered into a mindset that the dynasty would never end; that there was some supernatural force bestowing Hall of Famer after Hall of Famer on SF; that the mere presence of a West Coast offense, a Walshian approach to football, and a benevolent owner was enough to bring wins in perpetuity. The fact of the matter is that what kept the dynasty going for so long was a constant replenishment of superior talent through the draft. It was saying, "We're great, but we want to be perfect, and the way to be perfect is to get younger and deeper." If that meant letting an old-timer go or "gently" forcing him into retirement so that his younger understudy could get a chance to shine, that's what was done (See Young, Steve vis-à-vis Montana, Joe; Romanowski, Bill vis-à-vis Turner, Keena, etc.). Rather than by nibbling away at the edges of the envelope, the dynasty sustained itself by replacing the old envelope with a new one throughout its lifespan. To put it as poignantly as possible, Walsh saw a dynasty and tried to perfect it through the draft, whereas Policy and company saw a dynasty and wanted to put it on auto pilot.

I realize that there was no free agency before1993, but focusing on it after 1993 -at the expense of the draft - was the epic fail of the Policy regime. Rather than getting rid of the old guys and replacing them through the draft, they sat on their laurels, watching the old guys get older, and tradied away the valuable draft picks that could be used to replace them. What's worse is that, when it eventually came time to replace the free agent losses and retirees, the Policy regime chose free agency - rather than the draft - as its primary means.

In case you didn't know, I'm a Yankee fan. Don't fret, though. I'm not one of those obnoxious "the Yanks can do no wrong" or "Hey, there's no salary cap, so we're just playing by the rules when we spend $200M a year on payroll" types. On the contrary, I'm hypercritical of what the Yankees (esp. Brian Cashman) have done for the past 8 years; to the point now that I have a hard time watching their games or getting emotionally involved in their seasons. The reason I'm hypercritical is because it's a déjà vu experience; the same thing that I saw with the Niners in 1995.

The Yanks' success from 1996-2000 was achieved on the backs of homegrown talent (Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitte, Bernie, etc.). When they used free agency, it was to sign the second-tier guys like Paul O'Neill and Tino Martinez. Since Cashman became GM, however, they watched the old guys get older, traded away their prospects, and signed high-priced replacements via free agency. What have they gotten out of it? Over the past 8 years, they've gotten a lot of deceptively good seasons, but no championships.

And you know what? That's exactly how I look at the Policy years in SF. Rather than going with what got them there (i.e., the draft), the Niners chose the high-priced free agent route. They watched their stars get old, and did almost nothing. And what did it get them from 1995-1998? A lot of deceptively good seasons, but no championships. As is the case with the Yankees today in MLB, the Policy regime's strategy was no way to sustain an NFL dynasty in the mid-90s. Furthermore, as is the case with the Yankees today, what was needed in 1999 was for someone to blow up the Niners' franchise and go back to its drafting origins. Indeed, it wasn't until Bill Walsh himself retook the reins of the organization that the Policy regime's free agency attachment and draft neglect were stopped once and for all.

But that's the subject of Part 2b, which I'll discuss in detail tomorrow. So, with my diatribe complete, here's how I would describe the Policy regime's draft strategy, a strategy to which we'll be comparing subsequent regimes:

  1. Draft picks are commodities best used for moving up in the draft.
  2. Once you've addressed positional needs in free agency, there's no need to focus on them in the draft.
  3. Dominate the neighborhood (i.e., take Pac-10 players and those near Youngstown, OH).
  4. There's plenty of talent outside the BCS conferences, but wait until Day 2 to acquire it.

That's it for now. On Saturday, I'll break down the Walsh drafts (1999-2001). TO BE CONTINUED...

1 DVOA statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.

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How much blame would you assign the Policy regime's draft neglect in causing an end to he 49ers' dynasty?
All of the blame
45 votes
Most of the blame
135 votes
Some of the blame
147 votes
None of the blame
36 votes

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First, I want to thank you for the work and research put into these articles. Pardon me while I spend the rest of my evening digesting it.

by briandean on Apr 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d just like to quickly add how much I miss Bill Walsh.

by briandean on Apr 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 10, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This a long way of posting the 2 words...

Vinny Cerratto.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Apr 10, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

super long way

by Florida Danny on Apr 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I somewhat blame Policy but I don’t think he is alone is this strategy. 94-98 the thought was always we were one player away from a championship and shopped accordingly. It is similar to the current Yankees. You also see signs of Policy’s mistakes taking place in NE but Hoody is a little more frugal trading away his draft picks.

by bignerd on Apr 10, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

he’s definitely not alone. the strategy is defintely reasonable. i just think that it’s unbelievably risky in the context of prolonging a dynasty, and that, in general, there aren’t a lot of actual examples of a team going so free-agent-heavy and sustaining its performance. this is especially true in the salary capped leagues, where signing 1 or 2 bad free agents puts a massive salary on the books for as far as the eye can see.

by Florida Danny on Apr 10, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter who's the blame

If offense is being selected in the 2nd half of the draft maybe we should try the other way and see what happens I’m pretty sick of the O since Young left. I was never a Garcia fan despite our only playoff trips since Young’s days, but anyway let’s get some offense please!!

LG

by rlott#42 on Apr 10, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK.....Here's how

First…find an identity. Are we a power run team, or a finesse pass team? Can we please stop firing or losing O-coordinators evvery season? I can’t say for sure, But, the last time our O ws deadly, Norv Turner was at the helm. Granted, he more than likely wanted the head job at Washington. But, if it meant given him 1/4 of the city to keep continuity with a young QB….SO BE IT!

Like the article says, if you have holes or needs of depth on the team, (in this case the O) FIX ’EM! How in the world we constantly took WR and HB in the late rounds year after year and still expected to keep pace with the rest of the league is insane!

K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr

by DarkkStarr1 on Apr 11, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo Zulu!

Hey. if you’re not a paid writer for the team, YOUO SHOULD BE!!!! With analysisi like that, maybe the niners should hire you as their GM. I believe you would look long and hard at the team in order to return our franchise to greatness. Well done.

K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr

by DarkkStarr1 on Apr 10, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like New England

Position in this year draft, demostrates what a winning Franchise is doing. With 6 picks in the 1st top 100 players shows that they drafting for the future. Smart bunch of Guys! Would love to be in that position.

by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 11, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe the niners should hire you as their GM

Well, that would certainly stop Ralph from ever talking about Paraag again.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey...

…i wouldn’t talk to ralph even if i became GM. can’t get past that squeaky voice. plus, i’d be afraid he’d sabotage the discussion with a, “BUT YOU HAVEN’T TOLD US WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WITH KURT WARNER!!!” style ambush. :-)

by Florida Danny on Apr 11, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"So, Danny, as 49ers fans you have to understand that we’ve put up with a lot the last few years, and I was just wondering that… well, as you know we had to deal with Terry Donahue and Dennis Ericsson, the Nolan debacle, strange and indefensible in-game coaching decisions. All of these things bely the proud history of the franchise, one that we as fans had come to almost take for granted. I mean… for chrissakes! (personal note: Ralph, for all his egotistical pseudo-superior grammarisms, doesn’t say "for Christ’s sake") I mean… for chrissakes! The team won five super bowls in less than 15 years! We had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Bill Walsh… a proud and storied franchise! To go from that to, well, you see…"

"For god’s sake, Ralph, what the hell is the question?"

"Oh, ummm… do you prefer fried rolls or spring rolls?"

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 11, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, ralph...

…i’m glad you asked. truth is, i’d have to answer “other.” but before i specify, i’d just like to point out that spring rolls are, in fact, fried. so really, in your haphazardly journalistic way, you’ve just asked me whether i like fried rolls or fried rolls. how much, again, is KNBR paying you? anyway, given the absurdity of your question, i had to answer “other.” now, if you meant to ask whether i like spring rolls (which are fried) or summer rolls (which are wrapped in rice paper and not fried), then my specific answer is “summer rolls.”

i’m assuming that since you took 5 mins to ask your question, my segment of your show is over. so, take it easy and tell tom that he needs to stop hitting his bong before the show. he sounds like he’s a puff or two away from spicoli in “fast times at ridgemont high.” talk to you next week.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring rolls.

There are actually Vietnamese and Thai “spring rolls” that are made with thin rice paper that wrap around fresh ingredients (mint, lettuce, rice noodles) that is generally served cold.

by sfgfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

…sounds to me like you’re describing exactly what i know are “summer rolls,” that the difference between spring and summer rolls is the whole cold, fresh rice-paper-wrapped thing. the only reason i know what they are is because of a thai restaurant i frequented in gainesville (an authentic one run by thais, not some “pan-asian” fast food place). maybe this is an east coast/west coast thing? i’m intrigued by this mystery, so help me out with more detail if you can.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Most (if not all) of the Vietnamese restaurants I’ve ever been to call them spring rolls. I don’t generally get rolls at Thai restaurants, but I remember them being called spring rolls, as well, as I remember saying “hey, they have these in Vietnamese cuisine as well!”

It’s very possible is a east/west coast difference. Most dishes from Asian countries don’t really translate to English very well, so the restaurateurs try their best to give them a name. In any case, they’re very good eats.

by sfgfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

…lord knows there are more thais in the bay area than in gville, FL. so probably an east coast/west coast thing.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

thais and vietnamese

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe a whole new dissertation...

on drafting Spring and Summer rolls?

Pho Soup. Try it.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Apr 13, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have to say...

…i’ve tried pho, and i like it.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is also my experience. Every “spring” roll I’ve ever eaten has not been fried. Danny seems to be undeniably right, though. Spring rolls are supposed to be fried.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 13, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Nobody still hasn’t talked about the Kurt Warner situation still.

You couldn’t work for the 49ers. You have a spine.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Apr 12, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly is there to talk about the Kurt Warner situation? It’s pretty cut and dry. There are a limited number of possibilities and we can pull our own conclusions from each one. Some combination of the following happened:

1) Warner was completely using the 49ers.

2) Warner was mad at the Cardinals and wanted to test the waters.

3) Warner was legitimately confused.

a) The 49ers knew they had no chance and wanted to drive up the amount a division rival was paying.

b) The 49ers thought Warner might possibly get caught on the rebound and tried to play that hand before the chnace disappeared.

c) The 49ers thought Warner was a very realistic possibility.

Most of those combinations reflect poorly on the 49ers. The most likely ones tend to reflect poorly on the 49ers. You understand that. They understand that. What is there to talk about. The 49ers are NOT going to say, “Hey, we got played.” and they are NOT going to say, “Hey, we worked with Warner to drive up his cost for a division rival.” They’ve been trying to say, “we had some interest and he had some interest and interest was exchanged, but, well, you know…” because that’s the only thing they can say.

We can’t expect them to hand feed us stuff that will almost definitely reflect poorly on them. That’s why we are capable of critical thinking. So we can work it out for ourselves.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 12, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's the point in all this...

We can speculate all kinds of reasons about the Warner situation, and the 49ers aren’t doing themselves any favors by having the Media itself speculate on it as well. Like in politics, it’s best to address the situation first hand, rather than let it simmer. It isn’t about what we think. It’s about what they say, or why Warner was a serious consideration, why Warner in a supposed “run first” offense, etc. For them to run away from any questions regarding the team doesn’t give any confidence for a first year regime as a whole. The Bay Area media is pretty soft on the 49ers. If they were in NY or even STL, they would get cooked. They don’t look very good in the National media already. That may not matter much, but the 49ers FO is pretty suspect, and we’ve seen enough failure from them these past few years.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Apr 12, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can speculate all kinds of reasons about the Warner situation

Actually, I’m saying that we can speculate over a limited number of situations. Which makes it much easier for us.

the 49ers aren’t doing themselves any favors by having the Media itself speculate on it as well

Well part of what I’m saying is they’re screwed either way here. They can’t be definitive about getting either played or being a player, so they have to waffle in the weak middle-zone. They can’t say anything else, but it opens them up to a media storm. Damned no matter what they do, so they might as well stay the course with the waffle.

What I’m saying is we’re smart enough to draw conclusions from all that.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 13, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you bring "God" into Warner's reasoning....

Then it can be limitless…

That’s tongue in cheek, BTW..

Again, the 49ers were better served to make a statement about the Warner situation, even if it was a generic one. When you make a serious pitch for a player like Warner, you should have a definite reason on why you are pursuing him, especially since you canned Martz right after last season, and brought in Jimmy Raye. It made less sense than it made real sense. That’s the issue. Of course we can speculate and reason the situation. That’s why we have forums like this. But when they dangled that fat carrot in front of the Media, they buried themselves in the weeds, and hiding in those weeds doesn’t make them look competent.

In the end, it doesn’t really matter much now, since it didn’t turn out like Cutler’s debacle in DEN, with Hill turning resentful (not that he should be resentful) at the consideration of bringing in a FA QB that’s a heckuva lot better than Hill is. If the 49ers’ real objective was to inflate Warner’s value, then make that a little more obvious. That sort of thing is done in the NFL, and they would look smarter in the end. What really made the situation worse was Singletary’s petulant and dismissive attitude towards Barbieri when asked about it, as well as the other questions. It was good radio for KNBR, but bad form from the newly minted Head Coach of the 49ers. He should have been better prepared to answer those questions, since they are relevant ones, because, hey it is 2 time NFL MVP Warner after all.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

strong work

as per usual.

Blast from the past… 49ers 1996 2nd round pick…Israel Ifeanyi DE, USC.

by save10 on Apr 11, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Strong statistical analysis is not the whole story...

I appreciate your work and writing and taking a stand. And it is far easier being a critic than one who also does similar type research and comes to certain conclusions. Obviously, this is a fan-based website… but I can’t help but wonder what the 49er organization thinks of your conclusions. Would Bill Walsh (God bless him) think? Or Carmen? Or Eddie? Or even Vinny Cerrato who by the way started out as an outstanding scout under Lou Holtz at Notre Dame?

I remember a scene in the classic Woody Allen movie… where some “professor” type is pontificating about a movie and its director… and Woody Allen rolls his eyes and pulls the director from stage right to embarrass the would-be know it all… “You know nothing of my work… etc.. etc..”, he says.

Here is where I will take a stand.

1). I am appreciative of all your obvious work, effort, and thought into writing this piece.

2). I believe that we as fans generally don’t have a clue— as much as we love football. We don’t know what it all takes… We draw on our “high school” days… or our John Madden skills… our watching TV and conclude that we know “football”. We yell at T.O. when he drops a pass; even Jerry Rice— and not know what it is like to get hit… to get up and go for it again… all the stuff that goes on in anyone’s head as well as the play that is called… the response of the defense… the cleats sticking or not sticking on the route.. how hard the ball feels through all the gloves, padding, seeing through a helmet with facemask for a split second… the concentration and lapses…

3). The same is true with the draft.

Here is where I am critical of your initial review.

A). Who the Niners ended up choosing in drafts also has something to do with character and interviews and different voices in the selection process… trusting the combine results; gut instinct; salary cap; not to mention the gap between being a good college player and a good pro player. What about who was selected before? What about if trades happened between other teams and draft picks were thrown off from initial plans…

For example… the year that the Indianapolis Colts picked RB Edrin James (sorry for the spelling) instead of Ricky Williams… that was a curve ball that threw off the draft… So then Ditka trades all his picks for Ricky Williams and there is a domino effect. Critics thought that the Colts were crazy… and then not…

In the case of the Niners… JJ Stokes looked like a sure thing… they called him Jerry Jr. T.O. was more the lucky pick… like a John Taylor.

Sure the Niners traded up… but didn’t they do that with Bryant Young… even when he was so-so at Notre Dame. They saw something that others didn’t. Sometimes things pan out! Montana was not Walsh’s first choice…. and in prior to 1981… there were fans who wanted Steve DeBerg to stay. In a similar manner… “fans” treated Steve Young appallingly… We didn’t know what we had.

I know I am all over the place… but bottom line— there is more than the end result of who was picked… but how picks came about.

Druckenmiller was picked because of his weightlifting power and he played really really well in the post college all-star games… He was not bad against the Rams during the “same ol’ Rams era”. But he was probably the wrong guy in the wrong system. He was also picked (my guess) in response to Young fumbling, holding his head and taking some vicious hits.

Remember when they picked Dexter Carter— that was in response to the Giants having a scat back that repeated gave the Niners fits….

B. The NFL is a copycat league or at very least a reactionary league. Drafting sometimes comes as a result of a previous year or experience or in response to what one has…

Getting Notre Dame guys was in vogue for a while because of previous success— Eddie D’s kids went to Notre Dame; coaches and players had stops at Notre Dame… Then drafting Florida State/Miami/ Florida seemed to be the right place… until there were “character issues”

Then USC—-

I wonder if some of these picks may have been based on relationships with schools, college coaches, even agents.

C. Finally… blaming Carmen… I don’t blame Carmen or his picks or his regime because the emphasis was beating Dallas and getting to the Super Bowl. That was it. He had the mortgage the future for the present attitude… but that was what we wanted. We got what we paid for….

I am amazed the dynasty lasted as long as it did.

Players like Ricky Watters (who I actually like ALOT) chose greed and personal glory over the dynasty… so did the whole run of coaches— off the Walsh tree… I still remember when George Seifert was on the Tonight Show after the 1995 SB and was joking about how all of his coaches were gone… It happens.. Things change… People make their choices…

Also the league caught up to the Niners… DeBartolo previously could outspend everyone else… and then the Niners could out free-agent everyone else; but look at teams like the Washington Redskins who followed suit. After the Niners got over the Dallas hump… they didn’t expect for Green Bay to have a similar kryptonite effect on them.

D. Some picks panned out for other teams later… like Ted Washington (when he was an All Pro with the Bills), or R.W. McQuarters, who has had a decent career, or Julian Petersen or all the kickers we gave away who started for other teams— Pederson for Green Bay; someone else who played for the Rams…

Anyways… my commentary is not as organized or well written as yours… but I do think you are being unfair to Carmen Policy and rewriting the history of the Niner’s draft without considering the life and times of all that went into it.

My main anger with the Niners was the firing of Steve Mariuchi…. that has been the event/ curse of the Bambino for the 49ers.

by 49er D on Apr 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks...

…for the tactfulness with which you made these points.

because there are a lot of them, i’ll just give a couple of general responses:

1) I agree that fans don’t have a clue about the inner workings of a draft or much of anything else in the NFL. as i said in Part 1, everything is very secretive. so i didn’t mean for anyone to interpret my discussion as suggesting that i (a) knew what was going at team HQ at the time or (b) would have done any better in the draft. this piece is just a “lookback” kind of evaluation that you see on many sports sites, except that i added a 49er-specific statistics slant to it.

2) you make a good argument about how other factors affect who the 49ers take. the specific player examples are helpful. i would tend to agree with you. all i’ll say here is that i don’t mean to suggest that round and conference preferences are the only factors that affect a draft pick. rather, they’re simply just the two most obvious factors that we can actually measure perfectly. as i said in Part 1, the main reason for looking at these factors in particular is because we can’t possibly know a team’s draft strategy with respect to how much they rely on combine stats, pro days, interviews, etc. all of those things are impossible to know by the average fan (as you pointed out), so i have no interest here in speculating about them. just wanted to stick to the factors we can measure for sure, rather than factors we can’t even begin to figure out.

3) i might be mistaken, but it sounds like you’re agreeing with me about policy’s preference for pac-10 and “near youngstown, OH” players. implicit in my point was that there were probably existing relationships with agents, coaches, etc. that they were exploiting. i mean, it was either that or they were lazy on the scouting side, which i don’t think was the case given their draft succeses prior to 1994.

4) how much of the blame should be assigned to policy is certainly open to debate. that’s why i put up the attached poll after all. in terms of your specific argument about chasing dallas, i’m sure you realize that, except for the first draft, the period of time i reviewed occurred after they had gotten over the dallas hump in 1994. it was specifically because having a stout OL, a top-notch RB, and DBs who could cover irvin and harper that they finally got over the hump. it boggles the mind, then, that, if the goal was to keep beating dallas, they didn’t make sure OL, RB, and DB were taken care of with long-term draft solutions. regardless of the dallas (or green bay) considerations, my main argument in blaming policy is that he had glaring, long-term positional needs, and he consciously chose not to address them whatsoever in the draft. he had an OL full of old fogies, and he’s messing around on day 1 taking QBs, WRs, etc…and trading away draft picks to boot.

5) there’s no doubt some picks, like RW mcquarters, panned out later for other teams (p.s. washington was drafted before 1994). however, i don’t think that’s necessarily an argument in favor of policy. rather, what the hell was he doing letting these guys walk and go to super bowls with other teams?

thanks again for reading and recognizing that, although we might disagree, i’m not just spouting off at the mouth here without serious amounts of background and statistics work.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah... about Running Backs to replace Ricky Watters..

If I am not mistaken… Ricky came to them in the 2nd round out of Notre Dame. He was not the big man on campus since Rocket Ismail and Jerome Bettis were around. Didn’t the Niners believe at the time that they could make anyone their RB and it would pan out… Hence— Derrick Loville. Remember that Roger Craig was originally a little known fullback out of Nebraska. When the Niners made their picks, there was no Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith available. They picked up Terry Kirby as a pass-catcher ala Ricky. Only later did Garrison Hearst and Charlie Garner come over as free agents to the rescue.

The Niners seem to have the attitude that they could get away with a RB like Lenvil Elliot or Bill Ring… because they had done so in the past.

Isn’t it true too that most RBs have a shelf life of three years. I don’t think the Niners valued RBs as worthy draft picks (at that time) because of that as well.

I must confess that the Niners seem to have an arrogance (as do their fans— myself included) that “we’re the Niners”…. we can spin wheat into gold! Take an average player and make them great in our system! Find diamonds in the rough consistently.

The truth is… diamonds are hard to find.. ALWAYS! They underestimated Ricky Watters value to the team. This is the team that let Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott go… even Montana and Rice were shown the door. Even Walsh. The arrogance that the system would work itself out. Success could be easily repeated and that “we were smarter than every other team in the NFL” did not quite pan out.

BTW… Mark Edwards was a great player at Notre Dame; and he did well with the Niners… he ended up playing for the Patriots during their SB run… Nothing wrong with Mark Edwards… but the Niner organization undoubtedly had a revolving door for FBs after William Floyd..

by 49er D on Apr 12, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

stay tuned...

…i discuss the whole “diamond in the rough” arrogance in part 2b, except i do it in the context of walsh’s drafts.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Old & the Beautiful!

The way you write about Carmen Policy picking the Old and not replacing their stars is misleading… The 49ers record from 95 to 98 was not deceptively good…. they were following the pattern from 1991 until 1999. They could not get past Dallas… plain and simple. So they brought in hired guns ala 1994 when they brought in Plummer, Norton, Dent, and the sheriff— Deion. They drafted Bryant Young and lucked out on the linebacker from Westchester.

The Niners did a Dan Marino…. Marino thought he would get back to the Super Bowl many times… The Niners and their fans felt that the Super Bowl or bust was a healthy way to look at their team. It is not that easy!

by 49er D on Apr 12, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did it work?

Hi, This would be my first reply to post. Mostly I want to apologise up front if I say the ‘wrong’ thing especially as I am, as the name suggests not in the U.S. nor am I an American let alone a San Fransican (Is that correct?). I have read Niner’s nation a lot in the hope of not appearing a complete idiot before i commented but the Florida Danny posts are a good way to ask what i want to know.

Mostly what i want to know is how thing’s shake out and what we learn. I have a feeling FD is going to cover this but ‘What is success?’ sure the Superbowl victory is success but there are so many potential variables by the time you get there, injuries to your (and opponents teams), fractious relationship in locker rooms brought on by pressure and stress. The occasional critical referreeing decision going for/against you and the fact that only one team gets there. so what is acceptable success ie the team did well enough that we are happy with them as fans even if they didn’t win it all? What do you guys ‘accept’ especially now as the team seems a long way from the Superbowl at times in the last couple of years.

Secondly how is a drafted player’s success best measured? FD points to starters and Pro-Bowlers, but as some of you pointed out its easier to start on a weak team than on a successful team.

Additionaly the more I peruse the internet ‘football’ sites the Pro-Bowl is more and more seen as a popularity contest as opposed to a definitive ‘this guy is the business!!’ measure.

Far from critiquing FD as I believe that the way he goes about it, is a close as it can get in terms of actual definable stats to work with, I was wondering how you measure success, is it the guy who the fans love for some indefinable reason, such as something he does on the sidelines to get crowds pumped, or a locker room personality or the guy you just feel is cheated by not getting to the pro-bowl team despite his play that deserves the recognition. I could make comparisons with ‘soccer’ (I hate that word) players or rugby players but I have no idea if that would mean anything to anyone. So were any of the individuals drafted ,good drafts’ without being great players?

by DaveintheUK on Apr 13, 2009 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry that got very long winded there

The main point that I never got to because I am nervously writing too much is: If we look back at the history of 9ers drafting it clearly hasn’t worked because the 9ers are not in contention for the superbowl every year as they once were. But is there anything we can learn from this beyond looking at the recorded stats alone? If in the fantasy worldin my head where they offer me the 49ers GM job (I think I am past them making me the starting QB now, what with the growing up in completely the wrong country, being fat and having the arm power of a hamster – well unless it training camp competition with Ryan Leaf) what could you learn from what people have done before to make you a better GM?

by DaveintheUK on Apr 13, 2009 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

stay tuned for today's walsh post...

…i cover the whole problem with using starters and Pro Bowlers as “success” measures and offer an alternative. the problem is more glaring when comparing the policy regime to the later ones because of the difference in winning percentage. comparing the walsh, donahue, and mcnolan regimes is easier with respect to starters and Pro Bowlers because they’ve been equally bad record-wise.

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

clarification

i meant “similarly bad record-wise” not “equally bad”

by Florida Danny on Apr 13, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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