2009 NFL Draft: Jeremy Maclin anybody?
by Fooch on Apr 21, 2009 8:31 AM PDT
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I noticed a couple of articles today that have piqued my curiosity. Maiocco and Barrows had different articles, but they raised an issue that could be somewhat inter-related.
Barrows mentioned that Brian Baldinger sees a top playmaker on offense or defense as the 49ers top need over QB and right tackle. Plenty of folks here have been arguing for a pass rushing OLB, but it's the offensive playmaker that I'm curious about. Barrows has talked about Percy Harvin for some time now, but it's questionable whether he'd be around in the second for the 49ers pick. Which leads me to Maiocco's article...
MM did a Q&A with 49ers Webzone and someone asked about a guy like Jeremy Maclin:
Q: Would you consider Maclin a good value at 10? Chances of the Niners taking him?
Answer: A couple weeks ago, I would've answered no. But the more I consider it, and talk to others, I think the 49ers could do a lot worse than selecting Maclin. I think Crabtree is a clear-cut No. 1. I think Maclin is a clear-cut No. 2. And then there's a considerable dropoff to the rest of the WR class. There are some good WRs that can be had later in the draft, but Crabtree and Maclin are pretty darn good.
Maclin has seen his value climb in recent weeks and I've seen him going as hgh as #8 to the Jaguars. The folks at Mocking the Draft put together a scouting report on Maclin:
Strengths: If a team is looking for an explosive deep threat, Maclin is about as good of a bet as there is in this draft. He uses his speed and quickness to beat jams at the line and create separation. Can take it to the end zone on any possession. Incredible vision when he as the ball in his hands. Elusive and slippery. Maclin can stop and start to shake defenders and juke around them in the open field. Routinely catches the ball with his hands. Improved his hands from his freshman to sophomore season. Maclin also has some toughness to him, which a lot of people don't recognize. He'll go over the middle and doesn't mind blocking down on run plays.
Probably the best return man in this class. Will immediately contribute returning punts and kicks. Also a serious threat on gadget plays running the ball. In two years, Maclin had 91 rushes for 694 yards and six touchdowns.
Weaknesses: Quite raw as a route runner. Rounds off his cuts and isn't as quick out of them as he should be. Too often looks to run after the catch. Because of Missouri's offense, he didn't have to run a lot of NFL routes. Used mostly on quick slants and vertical routes. Can he run the comeback? Probably not the best red zone option. Played in a wide-open spread which increased his touches, especially considering he's probably the only NFL wide receiver on the offense...
Is this a guy worth considering at #10? I've seen some discussion about him, but not a whole lot. I've attached a poll that does NOT include a trade option. I want people to have to choose between Michael Oher, Jeremy Maclin and Mark Sanchez. Personally I would in fact prefer to trade down, but I'd rather get a sense of who you value the most among those three.
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maclin = Ginn Jr
obviously that’s the pessimistic view, but really what’s the difference between these two guys as college players. Long striders, small frame, great in the return game.
I know less than most people so maybe I’m totally off but my very amateur opinion is that there is a very good chance this guy could be almost irrelevant as an NFL player. I’m not saying he WILL be irrelevant, but that the type of player he is if far too risky to take at #10.
I’m more and more of the view that we don’t have any gigantic gaping holes that we absolutely have to fill with out first pick and the safest thing to do is get a bruiser to play OL or NT.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Apr 21, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we're insulting the guy!?!
Are you seriously comparing Ginn and Maclin? That’s absurd and frankly a pathetic analysis. Maybe you didn’t look at the numbers in COLLEGE before you stabbed Maclin in the hands and called him T Ginn Jr. Maclin had 180 plus catches in two seasons, to Ginn’s barely above 100. Plus he outweighs the guy 20lbs and carries the Football out of the backfield.
He runs, he blocks downfield, and he’s a legit 6ft and 200lbs. Not saying he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread but he’s no Tedd Ginn.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ginn Jr has done better than I ever expected him do so far in the NFL.. While the hype train on Mark Sanchez is at an all time high I’m not completely sold on him.. I dont think Sanchez falls to ten, but if he does things can get very interesting and the Niners can cash in on a trade.. A swap with a first next year… ya never know.
I think next years crop of QB’s will be much more prestigious than this years anyways so I think waiting a year for a QB is a better option..
by MatteoFC on Apr 21, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's done better...
… than expected, but there is NO WAY his production is what is to be expected of a #9 overall pick.
by sfgfan on Apr 21, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is a good football player
but a project as an NFL WR. I think we could do better at 10
by foosball4949 on Apr 21, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at 10
Maclin, Oher, Maybin, and E. Brown all fall into that category where they’re nice players to have, just not with the 10th pick (and having to pay them #10 money). If these guys and Sanchez are all available, i say trade the pick to the highest bidder and see who falls to 12, 17, 18, or wherever we end up picking.
by VD cant be Contained on Apr 21, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread offense WRs
I cant seem to think (its too early in the morning), but have there been WRs that have excelled in the NFL after coming from a spread offense in college? After the Reshaun Woods debacle, I want to make sure we avoid a similar situation with Crabs or Maclin.
by VD cant be Contained on Apr 21, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge need
I can’t see how a WR would be a need at this point. We are looking for possible starters and Maclin would probably be the #5 receiver (bruce, morgan, battle, hill). I voted for Oher but hope Smith slips to 10. Sanchez is a luxury draft pick one we cannot afford to take. Besides according to this, GM prefers bigger football players so a massive OT would be a higher consideration than a Ginn Jr/ Desean Jackson type WR.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Apr 21, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Barden will be there in the 2nd round
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Apr 21, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Return man?
Not at 10, but say we get him at 15-18, with an additionally pick? Trade down makes the most sense to me. We get a WR with potential, and a possible replacement for Rossum. Plus another (hopefuly decent) pick. He may be a bench warmer this year, but Bruce won’t last forever (or even after this season, I’d wager). We don’t need a ton of production to make it worth the trade. Killin a lot of birds with one stone. I’m at work, and don’t have much access to the web (LoLing that this site comes up), but Maclin is a good returner too, right? Or do I have my wires crossed? (again)
by Arkie49er on Apr 21, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what it's worth
McShay’s latest mock has Barden going in the 6th… I wouldn’t be upset if we took him in the 3rd
by 3eyes on Apr 21, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barden may be gone in the 1st to the giants
If they still have the pick. They may pick him that high because he won’t be there when he picks 2nd and Robiskie will be a Colt.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Number two insult in this post I hope he doesn't see this and burn our D for a lot of yds.
Number 5, please not only would he take Rossum’s spot at KR he’s leagues ahead of Battle with his speed alone. Yeah Battle has stuck through some horrific seasons, but this is a business and in two years if he’s not off the roster, unless his contract is up 1st, we’re not acting like a legit BUSINESS. Hill is better now but wont be next year. Sometimes you have to ask your position coaches to do their job. If his downside is route running, and it appears route running only he’s as good as Hill and Morgan. However our WR’s are good enough to not warrant drafting him at 10. But he’d be an upgrade mos def!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As good as Maclin is
He cann’t help the QB. Besides, we have talent at WR, unproven, but talented. Everything start on the front line, Offensively and Defensively. That’s where you build a Franchise. You can be like the Raiders and draft individual talent, but it’s only the some and not the whole. Start where it helps.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 21, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A threat to go the distance
is a threat to go the distance. If you pack 8 in the box and man up on him, one move gets you six the QB doesn’t have to wait for him to be 30 yds out to throw after he cuts let it rip and he can go get it. He doesn’t have Moss’s body but his on field speed is in a class with Rice. At his size he’s very dangerous and would help the RB’s,OL, and QB. Speed isn’t everything, but if he burns you once you won’t forget neither will any team in the league.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maclin? not at 10
I like Oher as the safest pick out of that group, honestly.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 21, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IYO, I hope
Sanchez is the pick if someone wants to trade up for him, but if I can’t deal the pick I have to grab Maclin. He has a TD pass in college, rushing TD’s, plenty receptions, and Size (considering speed in pads) to be durable enough to be a number one option. i understand our reluctance to want to have to work with him taking him at 10 but, his impact on ST’s would be good enough to swallow it. Let me think running team and a stingy D, field position is extremely key!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad route runner, good deep threat
That doesn’t seem like the type of receiver that Shaun Hill and/or Alex Smith should be throwing at, given that neither guy has a particularly strong arm for the deep pass, right?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Apr 21, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope you didn't want DeSean Jackson
Kid weighs 165lbs soaking wet and Maclin is 200 right now. How difficult can it be for Bruce to help with his route running. If these are the pptions go Maclin GO!! Maybe Jerry can be an overpaid WR coach and teach him a few things.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not overrate college route running. Hardly do you ever find a good route runner coming out of college.
by bignerd on Apr 21, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills are shoppoing Roscoe Parrish for a 4th rounder (reported)
that’s a much, much better deal than Maclin and I really hope the niners show some interest. I actually wouldn’t be that, that surprised if the Bills traded him to the Niners to swap picks to move up from 11 to 10 now that they need an OT. The niners would probably have to throw in a 6th or 7th rounder, but maybe not…
I’d pursue that if I were McSing
by foosball4949 on Apr 21, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, it would, and presumably we would only do it
if, say, oher and brown were left on the board an we were willing to go with brown, so we move down…
by foosball4949 on Apr 21, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that scenario, with both A. Smith and M. Oher available, I agree, that deal would be sweet – i wonder if they’d want Smith or Oher though – personally I like both of them a lot and I’d be happy with either, though I’m leaning towards Smith b/c he looks like the better run blocker
by Neon on Apr 21, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of this group...
I’d pick Sanchez. And I don’t want Sanchez. I’d rather have a project QB with his tools than a project OT or a project WR. In fact, I’m actually a little bit worried about what it would mean for the future of the NFC West if the Seahawks took Sanchez at 4.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 21, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Maybe you’re a Pac 10 guy who wanted Jackson last year. This kid is gonna be a player for years to come, I’d take him over Crabtree, Really!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 21, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 Years from Now
Everyone is going to complain and swear at McCloughan for not drafting Maclin. Than again the 49ers are not going to have the chance. He will be picked by the Raiders or Jags.
Ted Ginn Jr.???
1st. The comparison shows no understanding to why Ted Ginn Jr was an infamous pick. Ginn was considered a 1st round talent but was coming off a major injury. No one was expecting him to be picked as high #8 because it was assumed he might spend his rookie year on the IR. BIG HINT . . . it wasn’t a talent issue.
2nd. Ginn is NOT A BUST. He had pretty good sophomore campaign. He was Miami’s #1 receiver and proved to be a legit play maker.
Can we end the whole trade down discussion? You actually need another team who is interested . . . 8 weeks of coverage and not one rumor of a team approaching the 49ers to trade up for the #10 pick. Nothing, nadda, zilch, zero . . . not even a blogger completely making a story up.
by bignerd on Apr 21, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this would be a draft-day trade b/c it would be contingent on Sanchez presumably being available once we’re on the clock. for all we know this kind of contingent trade offer could already be on the table. it will probably be a moot point since Sanchez will likely already be gone by then.
by Neon on Apr 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has it occurred to anyone that teams interested in drafting Sanchez are calling the teams who pick before the 49ers? When 50% of the mock drafts produced have the 49ers selecting Sanchez at #10 in sorta screams that you need to jump us.
If the 49ers feel he is there franchise QB than it’s going to take more than a 1st round swap and additional 2nd or 3rd round pick to talk us into a trade. In reality it would cost the potential buyer less to trade down with another team. You think a franchise is sold on making a QB their poster boy for the next decade it’s going to take more influence than a 2nd rounder?
Even if you think the 49ers would pass on Sanchez a team would still call Buffalo at #11 to jump Denver instead of divulging your interest to the 49ers.
by bignerd on Apr 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get
Mark Sanchez we could ship him off to the redskin for Jason Campbell and there first round pick. It might worth the gamble.
by warriorfan4life on Apr 22, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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