San Francisco 49ers trade 2nd and 4th round pick to the Carolina Panthers for 2010 1st round pick
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
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The San Francisco 49ers dealt their 2nd round pick (43rd overall) and 4th round pick to the Carolina Panthers. In return, the 49ers acquire the Panthers 2010 first round pick. There was some quality talent there in the second round, but if they didn't want a guy like Everette Brown (or anything else there), why bother making the pick?
Now with two #1s in 2010, the 49ers put themselves in the driver's seat to do a whole assortment of things. Maybe they can trade up, maybe they can further load up the team. More importantly, if there's a rookie cap put in place the team could save even more money against the cap. Not the only reason to make the move, but something to definitely keep in mind.
I'd imagine most folks are happy picking up another #1 for next year. A second and a fourth could fill some needs, but sometimes patience is more important.
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I am
extremely pleased with this trade
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so that happened
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice...
… if they weren’t big on Brown, might as well trade the pick away at this point. 2 first round picks next year should be interesting – maybe for a QB.
-- Jay T.
by jaytierney on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this!
When I heard we got a first, I was extremely surprised, and extremely pleased. I’m still pleased with Crabtree, I can wait till tomorrow for the rest.
Tebow! lol
by Poundtherock on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+ forever!!
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Apr 25, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like brown...
but I like a first rounder better
by HarbirD on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brown was supposed to be a first rounder
Remember, many mock drafts a month ago had him going to the 9ers in the 10 spot
You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on Apr 25, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish it had been a 5th or 6th rather than 4th….that makes me not love it so much
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres a lot of good 4th round talent this year….I was hoping for one of the 3rd round type RBs to fall to us there. Now we almost have to go O-line in the 3rd and OLB, RB, and QB all have to wait til 5th or later.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos
I don’t like Tebow either.
by Sultan of Seitan on Apr 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me neither – i question how good of a pure passer he is
by Neon on Apr 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
I question the 316 on his eye black… He seems like a character from the WWF.
by Sultan of Seitan on Apr 25, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need Peppers to hold out and ruin Carolina’s year, hopefully that pick is around 10-15
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pat white
to the fins. wildcat all year
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I was so excited for Brown. A 1st next year could turn out well, but I wonder if we’ll ever have a pass rush. This really depends on where Carolina finishes next year. If it ends up being a late 1st, I’m not a fan of the deal. What a crazy day.
by briandean on Apr 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yea I’m sorta “meh” on this trade. I really wanted Brown. A first is great but I’m not thrilled about giving up that 4th too.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about brown is...
he’s one dimensional, just a pass rusher, we could do much better next year with a first
by HarbirD on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea because a pure pass rusher isn’t something we need. wait……
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
I was ECSTATIC brown lasted to our pick.. then the trade, while good, doesnt solve a need
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They must feel good about Lawson
b/c they passed on some promising OLB pass rushers
by Neon on Apr 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
both, right?
two starting outside linebackers in the 3-4
by Neon on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dos
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3... No, two!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the move. When I heard that we made the trade, I said to myself “This better be for a first.” It was (although we also had to throw in a fourth) so I am happy. My guess is that this ends up being a mid-late round pick, and so I think we made a good deal.
by sunnyd100 on Apr 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know what pick we have in the 3rd?
by MinerNiner on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nate davis in the 3rd plz
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean Nate Davis on Monday morning?
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or we could take Crabtree again, cuz he is that good
I am kidding
by Athletic on Apr 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Not with 2 first rounders next year. Doubt the Niners look very seriously at any QB this year.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God
Oakland is stupid.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They took a guy in the second
that a lot of experts had ranked as a 7th rounder.
“Another height/weight/speed guy…to each his own, I guess?” was the NFL network response to the pick.
by shlecko on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad idea
the 49ers just traded Everette Brown and a 4th rounder for a playoff teams 1st round pick next year
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/shakes head
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man when you put it that way it sounds so negative
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. Carolina isn’t a sure playoff team
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t have a legitimate quarterback and their defense is getting worse. I don’t think they’re a playoff team.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
delhomme isn’t legit?
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 100% Legit
Signed, The Cardinals
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2 seed last year
Now they have another pass rusher and have another pick in a talent-laden 2nd round.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure love rookies.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't
That’s part of my point. We traded two 2nd year players in 2010 for a rookie pick in 2010. Experienced organizations can get value out of rookies in situational areas (3rd down rusher for example).
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that doesn’t change that the rookies won’t really help the Panthers.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why not
Everette Brown can line up opposite Peppers on 3rd downs as a pass rusher. He can do that from week 1-16.
I don’t know who they are taking later in the 2nd round, but rookies regularly contribute when they aren’t faced with the pressure of carrying a team or unit.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everette brown
Clearly they and other teams didn’t care for Brown. Maybe they end up being wrong, but if you don’t like a guy you don’t force it.
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 first rounders in 2010 gives us room to trade up.
And if we’re competitive, and Carolina’s pick is 15-25, that could get us a solid first round QB next year.
by shlecko on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
R U FRICKEN KIDDIN ME????
This was an absolute mistake.
I can’t argue at all about the Crabtree pick-he was way too much talent to pass up.
How the hell are you gonna trade Everett Brown and a 4th rounf pick for next yrs 1st round pick which will probably be at the end of the 1st round??? Brown is a 1st round talent, that filled a need and wouldve made instant impact in applying a much needed pass rush and was a STEAL at that pick.
I would LOVE to here the logic and reasoning behind this decision.
Fact is there was a chance to really improve the team going forward and the team passd on someone rated in some mock drafts in the top 10.
Anyone who has been here regularly and read my post KNOWS I have said this turn around is a 2 or 3 year project-not in 1 year or over night. This move shows me that the GM feels the same way.
WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
next years first round is much better then this years so i like the trade
by gbears16 on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving up the 4th killed this trade for me
There was legitimate 1st round talent available at #43 this year who would have been paid 2nd round money. Instead of having a guy with a year of seasoning going into 2010 like Everette Brown, Connor Barwin, or Sean Smith… we’ll instead hope that Carolina (last year’s #2 seed) finishes with a poor record and then pay 1st round money to a rookie who is unlikely to contribute much immediately.
Giving up the 4th rounder hurts even more considering the depth this year of sleepers in the 3rd-4th round range that fit this team’s needs. I don’t see how they are going to find a power RB to complement Frank Gore now unless they take them in the 3rd round. In that case, we’ve spent our first 4 rounds of the draft this year on WR and RB and haven’t addressed any defensive needs.
I grade this trade a C or D due to the players on the board at #43.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. BUT if at 1 PM today you had told me we could have Crabtree and future mid to late first for our 1st, 2nd, and 4th pick I wouldve jumped on it. I’m hoping an OT falls to us in the 3rd and we can trade up with our multiple late round picks. I feel like we coulda at least milked another 5th out of Carolina in that deal though.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
You sir are preaching to the choir. They basically will leave this draft with a WR with tons of potential and a medicore back up for Gore.
The didnt address the OL, PR or safety issues through round 4.
Lets hope Bill Walsh guides the decisions in rounds 5 through 7 and the Niners can get a diamond in the rough.
I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS-WHAT A JOKE.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're upset over the loss of a 4th round pick?
Here are the previous fourth-round picks on the McC era:
Cody Wallace, Jay Moore, Dashon Goldson, Joe Cohen, Michael Robinson.
3/5 have been complete non-factors. One is a backup who we’re looking to replace in this draft. One has been a backup for years and may now finally be a starter.
In other words: 4th round picks are not very valuable at all. It’s very hard to get an effective pass rusher there.
People keep repeating that Everette Brown was a “first round talent,” and, ultimately, that’s going to be the determination of whether this trade was good. Clearly, McCloughan disagrees. So do a lot of other people, who care calling this a “weak draft.” (Weak drafts don’t have first-round quality players available in the second round, especially at a position like pass rusher). But if Brown becomes a quality starter, better than Lawson of Haralson, then this will go down as a bad trade unless we get a very good player next year with that pick.
by Ronaldinho on Apr 26, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How will
a 1st round pick in the 20’s help the niners get that QB? Maybe they’re expecting another top 1st rounder next year >_<
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they could
package those picks to move up a lot to get a top QB?
by Sharkbit12 on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
That would be terrible. This team has needs that stretch further than the QB position. A QB is not going to step in and be the savior for this organization.
We won’t have to worry about it anyways. With that trade and the free agent moves this offseason, we’ll have a bonafide top 10 pick next year to take the QB of our choosing anyways.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know normally I agree with you
but now that we have crabtree.. man if we packaged em and got like Bradford.. good lord.. points galore
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams will take a top 15 and a top 25 pick for a top 5 or so, I think.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that we got a 1st next year.
I was a little nervous when Seattle got one from Denver. And how anybody can be upset about GETTING a 1st rounder and GIVING a 4th rounder baffles me. Does anybody really think that we could get someone more valuable in the 4th this year than in the FIRST round next year? Really?
If anything, we have two picks next year that we can utilitize or package to move up to get Bradford, Mays, or whoever they think we need.
Guys, a 4th rounder is not as big a deal as some of you are making it.
by Blank x2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause we also gave a 2nd rounder with 1st round talent...?
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but if he was TRULY that much of first round talent, 32 teams wouldn’t have passed on him, and some of them passed twice.
by Blank x2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell it to DeSean Jackson
And the many others who were 1st round talents and dropped
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
We can do more with a first next year. With the 13th ranked defense, we will be fine without Brown. You guys act like we had a bottom 5 defense.
by Blank x2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what metrics?
In most defensive metrics (especially in pass defense), this team finished in the bottom 10 in the league. God forbid Patrick Willis has to sit out any game in the next year because a team might score 50 on us.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep telling yourself that
when our defense does its job all year long.
by Blank x2 on Apr 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be pleasantly surprised
If Nate Clements can step his game up, there’s a chance. He was one of the worst CB’s in the league last year. I’m interested in seeing what happens at FS, NT, and OLB now.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree. Clemens was fantastic. Other than one game (Dallas) he was exceptional. I feel the NT is a position that you must draft high or just get lucky with. Almost all great NT have come from the first round or a later round. I say trade for another 3rd round pick, then add a RT and a CB, and then a RB in the fifth.
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on Apr 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Clements in 2008
Nate Clements, San Francisco 49ers
Season Totals: 96 attempts, 8.19 YPA, 26.04 Forced INC%, 7 TDs, 2 INTs
2nd to worst in the NFL among starting CB’s in TD allowed. He was far from fantastic, but at least he’s been successful in the past so he can pull it together this year hopefully.
I agree about NT though and that’s why I think spending a 1st on Terrance Cody next year beats spending it on a QB.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats wrong with Tebow?
He is gonna be a superstar in the NFL, plus one more year in college will give him experience and smarts
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Meaning trade two 1st rounders to get Tebow next year
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
so true… Tebow isn’t even a consideration
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pat White is a 2nd round pick I guess Tebow COULD go in the 1st….I just hope it isn’t us that takes him.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes at qb
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
facepalm
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Apr 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah just like Rice and Montana werent predicted to be superstars
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaand here we go.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comments on Everette Brown
I found this interesting tidbit over at Sando’s blog on ESPN:
I was walking with draft analyst Rob Rang at the combine when news broke that Brown measured 6-foot-2. The stunned look on Rob’s face foreshadowed the drop Brown seemed to make from likely first-round choice to mid-second-rounder.
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is a cry baby like Adam Morrison haha
But I like his passion…I’d prefer Bradford or McCoy
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A crybaby that actually backed his crying up... give him that at least
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said I admire his passion, and yes i guess.
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
sorry im a gator fan… raised in FL, but a Niner fan.. go figure.
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that explains it
I understand why Gator fans love him. And it’s certainly possible he could turn into something at QB in the NFL. Personally I don’t think so, but who knows.
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gator fans swear he is the second coming of Christ
I mean the kid is a good college QB, but so was Eric Crouch.
I think he might be in the NFL as a Chris Cooley type
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tebow let's other guys...
…hit on his girlfriend…nuff said. i’m a gator by the way, so that’s inside info.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahahah
Kiper says they could’ve waited till 5th round too.
What a bum
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
once again oakland doesn’t know what they are doing, Chris Berman has to pull out a draft guide book to find this safety that the raiders drafted. he’s the 73rd safety of all eligible safeties. his name is micheal mitchell and there is no game film
by sundaysfinest on Apr 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In A World Full Of Compromise
It’s comforting to know some things never change
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that safety
Isn’t even listed in ESPN’s player database
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
You gotta “love” the Raiders – thanks for Crabtree, Al!
by Neon on Apr 25, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niners draft next year is going to be huge
We could fill a ton of holes with our next years picks. Or go after a mega QB. Who knows
by NinersnowRule!Crabs on Apr 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So true
The front office bought themselves another year of mediocrity with this trade. After next year’s draft, people need to be fired if nothing has changed.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT
This move was pure politics.
They have an excuse when the team sucks this year as to why and will be able to buy themselves another year.
YOU DON’T PASS ON 1ST ROUND TALENT IN THE 2ND ROUND IN A NEED POSITION.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been patience since after 2002.
But to give up a 2nd and 4th for a 1st rounder next year? Don’t we need help today? I really don’t like that move. It stunt our march to the playoffs. We could have been closer to knocking off AZ. and winning the Divisioin.Now, we may not get thoses players who can help today! TODAY!
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 25, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BUT, what if next year it lets us get Bradford, McCoy or Tebow?
by Neon on Apr 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how long before they play?
We could have any player today and could be a starter if not this year, maybe next year. It seems to set us back in some position for at least another year.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 25, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if????
If the queen had balls she’d be the King.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 first rounders relax I have 1 word for you
CRABTREE
by Athletic on Apr 25, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great player, but it takes more than one.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 25, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another thing that McC said
We’ll not get into the FA market because we want to draft for the future and then he gives away todays future. It doesn’t make sense to me. How much more is it going to cost for another 1st rounder?
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY
YOU DON’T PASS ON 1ST ROUND TALENT IN THE 2ND ROUND IN A NEED POSITION.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to put some voodoo on the Panthers...
Peppers holds out.
Delhomme and Steve Smith injury.
by djfivenine on Apr 25, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
God I hope so.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think people should stop hoping for injuries. That’s messed and bad karma.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah.
I really think people should start getting jokes. That’s messing up the fun.
by djfivenine on Apr 25, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well how about a fake injury like turf toe..
OW! my toe hurts i cant play even if im paid millions
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TURF TOE IS SO GROSS AND PAINFUL
And you run off your toes :P
Its like bent backwards all the way…
by PopnFried on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so...
but for even 150k i would run on such a toe for a season, but hey im poor and not pansy fluff muffin
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im getting very nervous about our 2nd rb situation
i was hoping chris wells would fall to them in the 2nd round, now what?
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on Apr 25, 2009 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Again.....
Gartrell in the 5th.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating
We had a chance to get Cory Brown, Barwin, Sintcolm, Shonn Green, a very good safety in Rashad Johnson . . .the Niners are acting like they have no major holes to fill! And the Patriots are acting as if they do. I wonder who is the smarter franchise? What do they know that we don’t? A LOT! Carolina probably offered NE the same deal. They said no.
Carolina if they are in the playoffs next year basically traded us a low 1st rounder next year for a high 2nd rounder and a high 4th rounder this year. Does that sound smart to you?
As far as Crabtree, he MIGHT be the best WR in this draft, even with a surgically repaired foot which is hopefully healed, but we arleady had a ton of proven up and coming WRs like Morgan and Hill. Now they get less playing time.
All in all, sorry, but I think this draft SUCKS for the Niners. I think they really have no idea how bad they are and they are just not up to the task of getting this team to the playoffs. We need a pass rush. We need a safety. We need a second running back unless Sing was screwing with everybody about being more of a physical running team. HOW DOES PICKING ANOTHER WR DO ANYTHING FOR US?? I am BUMMED.
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally I could careless what cheaters do like the Patriots
and they can’t even be compared to the 49ers at all as a organization, many might flame me, but in the end they are an * team
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a proud Hate-riot
I approve of this comment
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
Sing had his arm twisted by circumstance on the Crabtree pick (ie, too good to pass up, even if it wasn’t his ideal)? I do, and now I think he’s gotta find another way to get there than through high 1st day picks. Remember, our upcoming picks aren’t automatically failures, just higher risks.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
Drafting 1 WR doesn’t make a draft.
The Patriots once again proved this year why they are a winning organization. They saw the sweet spot of this year’s draft (picks 25-90) and pounced on it with trades by taking Ron Brace and Darius Butler back-to-back. They are going to pay 2nd round money to 1st round talent in Butler.
The Patriots have 8 picks between 30-100 in this year’s draft. 49ers? 2.
Which team is supposed to be building up here?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just drop it dude
nothing we can do. we didnt like anything there, so we did get picks, we got a first rounder. chill.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see
jury is still out. If it’s a top 10 pick, then I’ll eat crow lol.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really don't know...
and neither do I… but if Crabtree turns out to be the definitive playmaker that helps us win.. then you will have eaten your statement. We shall see… no pick is a guarantee ever.
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Crabtree fan
Still.. a draft is about top talent and depth.
Still.. a draft is about top talent and depth.I think Crabtree is a future star. He’s the only reason I have a smile on my face right now. My main concern is our GM, who really just fell into the Crabtree pick and didn’t show anything afterwards.
Still.. a draft is about top talent and depth.I think Crabtree is a future star. He’s the only reason I have a smile on my face right now. My main concern is our GM, who really just fell into the Crabtree pick and didn’t show anything afterwards.Crabtree = star
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, we get it.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont give up hope yet, there is still a second day.
maybe we could make some trades and acquire more picks either next year or this year ala NE. Its not over yet.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd round
Once you get beyond round 3, the talent level goes down very quickly. Without a 4th to trade and unable to trade one of the 5ths due to it being a compensatory pick, I don’t see how they get into the 3rd twice. Moving down from our 3rd to the 4th would be a bad move to me as well… the talent just goes away and we’re looking at longshots from that point on.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I AGREE 100%
YOU DON’T PASS ON 1ST ROUND TALENT IN THE 2ND ROUND IN A NEED POSITION.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Many
True holes do we have vs legitimate question marks? For example, I would say our CB situation is only a need because we can’t rely on the production we’ve seen from our backs, but we still have some very good theoretical talent… right?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys Pass???
What’s going on in Big D??
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if....
We end up trading next years first for Brady Quinn?
by NinersnowRule!Crabs on Apr 25, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brady is worth a late 2nd or 3rd at best.
And thats not from me, thats from guys like Sando who have asked around
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL predict the pick scores are up
Whohoo I edged out briandean and who forgot to use their name @ the #1 spot? lol I did better than i expected.
by tanos135 on Apr 25, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate this trade
Unless they maybe use it as trade bait for a veteran. We lost a 2nd and a 4th, we are losing out on filling holes and depth. I have to imagine something is up their sleeve, then again this is the Niners we’re talking about.
by jonesin25 on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pathers Schedule
I just looked up the Pathers schedule….I think they will be lucky to finish 8-8. This means we should have a pretty good pick next year.
by G-$ on Apr 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And if we can repeat 7/9, it could mean you have to 2 picks between 8th to 12th.
That means, you could cough up tons of money. Great, you can trade one or two next year and pick up more, but what does that do for us this year. Are we not suppose to be better than last year? I wasn’t a McC fan, but that really eats at me, really bad! I cann’t express what I really feel,right now!!! I can, but it wouldn’t be proper!!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 25, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great trade
Good trade. I don’t think there was anybody at 43 that would have started next year anyway. The 49ers will be in a good position next year at this time.
According to the “draft value chart” the #43 and #111 combined is worth 542 points. If next’s years pick is #20(I think that’s conservative), that’s worth 850!!! Great value trade.
by poi_dog on Apr 25, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
plus
you really think Everette Brown and whomever we would get in the 4th would have been better than whoever will be there in the first next year?
seriously.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the 49ers are trading up next year, I'd take
Terrance Cody, Javon Snead, or Sam Bradford
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cody!
Best player in next year’s draft. We would almost certainly have to be in the top 3-5 to get him.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt McCoy
I HATE HATE HATE UT in everything they do, but damn if that kid isnt good. Take him just slightly behind bradford
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb
We don’t need another QB. We have a QB who if he was on the Giants or NE or Miami would be capable of winning a Super Bowl. Don’t you guys get it? We need other players NOW!!! We had a few truly talented players on the board at 2 that could have been starters on day 1. Or Shonn Green for our 2nd RB. Now we go into round 3 wih on mid round pick in the first two rounds tomorrow and no RB, no pass rush, no OL, no safety!!! MORONS!
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill for the Hall of Fame!!!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
No one left at 43 would have started next year. There’s too much hype for all of these guys. Everette Brown is a Manny Lawson clone. Shonn Green would be a part timeer, lots of guys like him. No saftey left would have even sniffed the field, I’d rather give Reggie Smith a shot.
by poi_dog on Apr 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the 49ers traded out of the 2nd round because there was no one left they were interested in taking.
by bignerd on Apr 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm off
to watch Nobe miss some shots and make some bad decisions. It was fun y’all, see ya tomorrow.
We got Crabs to complement our VD! Things can’t be that bad!
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow a good choice
Listen, there’s no sure thing in the draft… Stafford could go bust… I know: Tebow doesn’t move or look like a smooth NFL-style QB… BUT he’s big , way intense, a team guy, a radically hard worker, and — like a guy from ND we once drafted — has a propensity for willing his team to victory… I gotta think Singletary could like that…
by SLOKev6 on Apr 25, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
and Tebow could wreck/smash-mouth a few LBs too
by danknerd49 on Apr 25, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except he cant throw
QBs have to do that.
I wouldnt mind taking a flyer on him in round 4 or so.. play him as a TE/H-Back or backup QB
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree = Great Pick!!!! Need to give Smith another shot….. Maybe he can get an the same offensive play caller for more than one year. Deserves one more shot.
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd round trade was good move
not much talent left on the board…. thats why they made free agency. I trust any moves Singletary makes when it comes to defense. If he would of seen something he would not of traded that second round pick. He is the coach for a reason.
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First, I don't think he had to much say on it..
Second, he wanted to pass on Willis and didn’t think he was a good pick at the time. Not sure I would trust his judgement anyways if it was his pick.
by jonesin25 on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Track Minded
We stink as a team right now, the defense is pitiful against good offensive teams. The stats tell you their pass rush is terrible. They ranked 21st. And one of the worst 3rd down teams in the NFL. Are we addressing that? No. We take ANOTHER WRE and you’re saying that getting a raw rookie QB next year to replace Hill is going to make everything better? Are you kidding? We still won’t have a defense. This is a terrible draft for the Niners.
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
terrible is a bit to far since there are still 5 more rounds. i’m sure we can find pass rush help somewhere in there
Play hard, then rock out even harder.
by TheBigLeburnski on Apr 25, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
we got crabtree, hopefully the niners got something up there sleeve with this trade
and i know once madden 10 comes out im gunna be beasting on dudes with crabtree lol
by Italian King on Apr 25, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense?
Defense would be alot better if they were not on the field the entire game….. Check out second half of season stats. When O’Sullivan was benched the offense became better which kept the defense off the field…..
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
beat me to it.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much talent left in round 2????
Tell the Partriots that. !!
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get Crabtree being all that much better than .. . .
Percy Harvin, Ken Britt, and JOSH MORGAN!
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
predicting the future...
here are 10 scenarioes to ponder in re trading those two #1’s next year for an early 1st so that the niners can take one of the stud QBs:
Scenario 1 — SF goes 10-6, CAR goes 12-4. based on this year’s draft order, that would give SF their 22nd pick CAR’s 28th. according to the trade value chart, trading those 2 picks would move them up to #8.
Scenario 2 — SF goes 10-6, CAR goes 10-6. SF would have the 22nd and 23rd picks. a trade gets them to #7.
Scenario 3 — SF goes 10-6, CAR goes 8-8. SF would have the 14th and 23rd picks. a trade gets them to #4.
Scenario 4 — SF goes 10-6, CAR goes 6-10. SF would have the 9th and 23rd picks. a trade gets them to #3.
Scenario 5 — SF goes 8-8, CAR goes 12-4. SF would have the 12th and 28th picks. a trade gets them to #4.
Scenario 6 — SF goes 6-10, CAR goes 12-4. SF would have the 9th and 28th picks. a trade gets them to #4.
Scenario 7 — SF goes 8-8, CAR goes 10-6. SF would have the 12th and 23rd picks. a trade gets them to #4.
Scenario 8 — SF goes 8-8, CAR goes 8-8. SF would have the 12th and 14th picks. a trade gets them to #3.
Scenario 9 — SF goes 8-8, CAR goes 6-10. SF would have the 9th and 13th picks. a trade gets them to #3, maybe #2.
Scenario 10 — SF goes 6-10, CAR goes 6-10. SF would have 9th and 10th picks. a trade gets them to #2.
i think there are a few more scenarioes i’m missing here, but that covers the most likely ones. basically, odds are that the niners are looking at the 3rd or 4th pick next year if they trade their two #1s to move up for a QB.
you’re welcome.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
here are the other 2 scenarioes i missed...
Scenario 11 — SF goes 6-10, CAR goes 8-8. SF would have the 9th and 14th picks. a trade gets them to #3.
Scenario 12 — SF goes 6-10, CAR goes 10-6. SF would have the 9th and 23rd picks. a trade gets them to #3.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so out of the 12 scenarioes of...
….6-10, 8-8, or 10-6 for the niners and 6-10, 8-8, 10-6, or 12-4 for CAR, the odds of a given pick were SF to choose to package their first rounders is as follows:
11-1 against having the #2 pick.
6-1 against having the #3 pick.
2-1 against having the #4 pick.
11-1 against having the #7 pick.
11-1 against having the #8 pick.
odds against them being able to get a top-5 pick by packaging next year’s 1st-rounders? 5 to 6.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better plan of action
Trading a 1st and 2nd (ala Jets this year) if they really want to move up in the draft.
This team still has too many needs to package picks (like they just did) for one player.
Trading two 1st rounders for a move up next year means they really traded 2009 2nd round, 2009 4th round, and a 2010 1st round pick for ONE PLAYER. That’s simply absurd.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless we have a shot at a complete game changer like Bradford or McCoy
I say the best scenario is to draft TWO first rounders
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really hard as a fan sometimes to look to the future. With that said, this was a great trade. The 49ers will be in a very powerful position next year.
by poi_dog on Apr 25, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we should be able to trade into the top5 next year
by 49ersCAN on Apr 25, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if everyone missed the second half of last season….. If the niners didnt run the ball with twenty seconds left on the clock Arizona wouldnt of been in the Superbowl…. We have a good team. We have a solid defense. We have a great running back. Stability at QB and a hard nosed coach is what we needed. We have the coach now. Just worried about QB.
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we're stable at QB
for this year or two.
thanks though.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Apr 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gracias...
…that’s what i’m here for. :-)
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
Alex just got married… He thought football was rough! Probably can’t wait to get on the field!
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't really judge the trade until next offseason
For now, we hope that they trade Peppers for some future draft picks and underachieve next year. Their rushing attack alone makes them a playoff team IMO, but strange things happen in the NFL.
If we’re looking at a 20-32nd pick next year, then I can’t see this trade being a win for the 49ers.
If the 49ers get a 10-20th pick from the Panthers, then I think it’s a win.
If two 1st rounders are traded to move up for a QB, then all hope is lost and this organization is back in a hole.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
see my scenario breakdown above...
…i covered pretty much all the bases.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's assuming a trade up is the thing to do
I strongly disagree with that path.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saying that...
…if that’s the path, we can evaluate the trade right now.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pure Value
Check out the Draft Value Chart the GM’s use. It doesn’t matter where the pick is in the first round, it’s a win. Especially since this was a weak draft class. AND, if there is a rookie cap next year, it’ll have even more value.
by poi_dog on Apr 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know the chart
That shows current value. A pick in the current draft is more valuable than a pick in a future draft. When you factor that into the equation and look at next year’s draft, you’re talking about last year’s 2nd and 4th along with a current 1st for one 1st round pick. That’s not a good value and the chart becomes nearly useless.
This could all be pointless anyways if the 49ers finish 5-11 and get a top 5 pick somehow. Same for the Panthers pick. Let’s not be too quick to say the pick will need to be packaged.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously...
…it would be ideal if the pick didn’t have to be packaged.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also...
43 and 111 in this year’s draft equals 34 on the chart…so you’re trying to say that 34th this year and a first rounder at basically any position next year for a 5 in 6 shot at top 5 next year isn’t a good deal?
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alternatively...
2nd round this year plus 1st round at any spot next year does not equal top 5 pick next year in your mind?
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
different scenario
If it’s a 1st round pick beyond 20, then sure that’s an equal deal. Most of the problem lies in losing experience from players who would have been drafted this year. This trade sets the organization back one year in the areas of need that could have been addressed with the 2nd/4th rounders this year. Give it a 50% success rate and we lost out on one likely NFL starter for a chance to get a top rookie next year.
In terms of trades, the Seahawks traded their 2nd rounder straight up for the Broncos (non-playoff team without it’s all-pro QB) 2010 1st rounder. If we’re comparing value here, then the 49ers lost this trade by adding an extra 4th rounder and trading with a perennial playoff team. We got jobbed out of the 4th rounder and didn’t get a pick in return.
You remember the study on the Patriots and them regularly having more draft choices? Well… we just lost one pick and we’re already discussing the possibility of losing another in a trade up scenario. That’s my problem with this. It puts a lot of pressure on our scouting department and GM to make sure every day one pick is a 100% hit, otherwise it sets the franchise back for years to come. If Crabtree, for example, becomes a bust for some reason then what can be said about this year’s draft?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the niners have an 83.3% chance...
to trade into the top 5 next year under any reasonable combination of records for CAR and SF in 2009.
by Florida Danny on Apr 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Guys Are Living In Goo Goo Land
Every other good team is getting better. Our D Stank against any decent offense. Dallas, New England without Brady, all ran up the score until they felt bad about it. They scored at will. Did anyone see those games? No pressure. NONE. We needed a pass rush, a second RB so Gore is not run senseless by the second half of the season, a nose tackle, another CB, a safety. And we give away our 2 and 4 this year???? What are we waiting for?
Are you guys all excited aout watching us suck this year so you can guess about what we’re going to do with two 1’s next year? The way we’re going we might get the #1 pick w/o trading Carolina’s.
What’s the point of rooting for this team if they have the cap room this year to get better and they trade away a chance to get Sintcom and Cody Brown and a number of great safeties and Shon Green in round 2, plus a round 4, so we can sit around and wait for another year instead of getting better now. DUMB! .
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you underestimate how good the 49ers really are.
The niners played better after Sing took over.. and now, in 2009 they will have a full offseason and preseason to get better. I see Lawson playing better and also the front lines both Offense and defense. With Roman not at FS anymore that also strengthens the defense.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you don't remember
They also finished the season strong in 07, I don’t read into that end of season success to much. It really doesn’t mean this season will be a full strong season. This team has a lot of needs, and the way the schedual is built this year, it will be real easy for them to go on a long slide that they wont pull out of.
by jonesin25 on Apr 25, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won’t be contenders next year so it doesn’t matter how much we suck. That’s reality, no Goo Goo Land.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Apr 25, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carolina has to play Philly, Atlanta, Dallas, TB, Washington, NE, Giants and NO
They could end up having a top 10 pick next year
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's not one of those teams Carolina can't beat. They're not the Niners. . . .
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You really need to learn how to use the reply button
I would also suggest being a little more positive.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miami takes CB Sean Smith
I had them taking him in round one. They just got a steal… and Parcells continues to take quality CB’s in the draft. Vontae Davis and Sean Smith in one draft is pretty crazy, that’s press cornerback central.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's smart drafting. . . .unlike the "Let's give away this year for next year" Niners
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
^5
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha I just used that same pic over at goldenstatofmind the other day
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can also trade
We can also trade first round picks for a veteran…..
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cap room + First round pick = Veteran Trade. Works for me
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
Agreed pass rusher is needed. If you have a pass rush it makes your secondary’s work alot easier. Makes the defense ALOT better. I have a feeling Singletary has something up his sleeve.
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprised by some of the negativity regarding the trade
It’s only been two rounds, people, and we got one of the best offensive players in the draft. If there’s one thing I trust Mike Singletary on, it’s the defense. If he thought Everette Brown wasn’t worth it, I’ll go with his instinct. We still have a bunch of rounds left; one of our most promising picks last year was in the FIFTH round. So I don’t get why a few people are complaining about how other teams are getting better while we’re doing nothing. We surrendered one pick, which will be valuable next year, we got the best receiver in the country, and we’ll get better tomorrow.
by Sharkbit12 on Apr 25, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say
surrendering that pick will pay off in next year’s draft
by Sharkbit12 on Apr 25, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shark makes a good point…. Singletary IS Mr. Defense…..
by True49er on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moving forward without looking backwards
Here are some guys in the 3rd round that could help in need areas:
DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
DE/DT Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State
OLB Clint Sintim, Virginia
DE Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond
RB Andre Brown, NC State
RB Rashad Jennings, Liberty
OG Herman Johnson, LSU
FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is correct.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 25, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rashad Johnson, Jamon Meredith, or BUST
I like Crabtree but don’t believe he fits a significant need on the 49ers, If the 49ers are unable to draft Rashad Johnson or an offensive tackle like Meredith(or Loadholt) then the 49ers haven’t done anything to fill their 2 biggest holes (IMO)
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you on this. Crabtree is great, but this draft has yet to improve the team’s needs. I’d like Johnson, an OT or an OLB in the 3rd. Otherwise, my eyebrows will be extremely arched. (Oh, and Loadholt was picked by Minnesota.)
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
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by cornball on Apr 25, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
I would like to pick him, as he is the best FS in the draft, IMO, however, the niners basically drafted a safety last year when picked Reggie Smith. Could be wrong, but I see RB, OT and LB being the pick.
by MinerNiner on Apr 25, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you guys think of taking Andre Brown
I think he is an amazing player and it would fantastic to get him.
If we could get say Rashad Johnson, Andre Brown and Sidbury somehow I would give us an A+
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd Michael Johnson
5th Gartrell Johnson
5th Mike Reilly if the patriots don’t get there first
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cody Brown
We needed that second and 4th this was a great draft
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
umm not sure on this
I thought we needed a rush OSLB
Brown was that, tells me, Sing think Lawson can step it up
by Desperado18 on Apr 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
should tell you Singletary thinks Parys can step it up.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so after we traded away our 2nd round pick
I took a little nap. better than last year when I puked and then was out for most of the 2nd round. Anything good happen?
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Apr 25, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not really. Loadholt is gone, Michael Johnson and DJ Moore still available
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puke Again
We just traded away our playoff hopes this year. We don’t have enough picks to fill the needs we have at pass rush, running back, nose tackle, safety, corner, tackle. In other words, pie in the sky dreams of what could happen in 2011 for giving up getting some extremely good players in areas of need now.
I would rather have given up 2 and gotten the Panthers 2 and 3 this year.
We just keep delaying getting enough good players on the team to get us anywhere.
I can’t believe how inept this 2nd round was. Now we get one mid 3rd round pick and two 5s — a mid round and low round — and one mid 6th, and that’s supposed to find us a quality RB, safety, and nose tackle ready to play now — or a really good back up OT and CB? The math isn’t there. We gave away WAY too much. And Carolina kept their 2nd round pick plus got ours plus got a 4th rounder from us this year, all for what will probably be a low 1? Maybe we gain 15 spots next year from where our 2 was this year for giving away the two and a four. Sorry, that’s a rip off unless Carolina has a terrible year. Not worth the gamble.
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the plan is to let our players develop.
whether they ever will or not (im not sure on some of them, Manny in particular) but we have a safety, we have a nose tackle and worst case scenario we can pick up a backup RB in any of those rounds.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I AGREE 100%
YOU DON’T PASS ON 1ST ROUND TALENT IN THE 2ND ROUND IN A NEED POSITION.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
So you don’t pass on first round talent in the 2nd round in a need position? I don’t think you’ve been clear enough.
by Fooch on Apr 26, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was a first round talent, he would have been drafted in the first round
he was drafted in the second round which means he is likely a second round talent.
Just saying
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That almost made sense
By that faulty logic Joe Montana, drafted in the 3rd round wasn’t 1st round talent-now THATS SPECIAL.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
But you do understand that Joe Montana was the exception, right? That most QBs taken in the third round don’t perform like Joe?
Pass-rushers taken in the second round are rarely immediate-impact players. The truth is, it’s hard to get an instant-impact pass rusher outside of the top 10.
The only sure-fire every-down pass-rusher in this year’s draft went third. Orakpo is a project as a 3-4 OLB. Cushing is a run-stopper. Robert Ayers is not seen as an elite pass-rusher. And yet, someone, Brown – who went 15 spaces later – is supposed to be a game-changer for us?
I just don’t see it.
by Ronaldinho on Apr 26, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand plenty
That previous comment inferred that round 1 talent is only drated in round 1 which couldn’t be more incorrect.
Secondly, Brown was rated as high as a top 45pick in some mock drafts-let say you don’t like him. What about the OLB that played in the 3-4 from Virginia that was also mock drafted at the end of the 1st round.
Bottom line is there was talent to be had in that round that wouldve filled major need positions-like IL and OLB.
by Italia1970 on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in YOUR opinion he was a first round talent
the rest of the league must have felt he was a second round talent, otherwise they would have taken him in round one? Right?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 28, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Incorrect
Reality is,
Not all teams needed a pass rusher; if they did he would have been gone. The draft is supposed to help fill team needs. Therefore it wasn’t necessarily about the level of talent the OLB had. The teams either could have no need at OLB or had more pressing needs.
That statement alone refutes your point-but I’ll take it a step further.
Teams do make mistakes in the draft and misvalue players. That’s how you end up with 1st round talent like Montana drafted in round 3. Reality is there is 1st round talent in rounds other than the 1st round and guys like Montana, and Gore more recently in round 3 prove my point.
Point taken?
by Italia1970 on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What playoff hopes?
Do you really think a second-round player was going to step in and be an above-average starter?
How often do second-round pass-rushers end up as first-year starters?
by Ronaldinho on Apr 26, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie Madness
Crazy how some people think one draft should/could solve holes at DE, NT, RB, S, CB, T. Wow. I don’t think this draft was going to make/break the organization. We did however get one solid playmaker. I’m sure there was a time when we picked A.Smith #1 we thought that was the solution… How’s that working out? After the draft, we’ll have another go at free agency. If we would have had Crabtree last year, might we have won one of the AZ games? Oh then we would have had the same record as them… It’s going to be a good year.
by dartdart on Apr 25, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great points
This is one of the most honest valuations of the team in its current state.
The team has way too many holes to fill and 1 draft isn’t going to do that. It will take multiple drafts filling the most pressing needs 1st, which wasn’t accomplished this year.
I think this is a 2 or 3 year project to put this team in a position where they can go better than 1 and done in the playoffs.
Glad to see someone else recognizes this.
by Italia1970 on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a lose now win later type of situation
And I agree, If last december was the last time we wern’t not playing toward the end of the month the niners expect a lot or have a deal under trhe table with the Panthers if Peppers stays sour then we technically get Peppers for a 2nd rnd this year. Either way I agree with Since79 this was the draft to keep picks or pickup picks. The Pats were that active because the field of players is good.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is widely rated one of the worst drafts ever
next year is going to be stellar..
im a blazer fan.. shock i know.. we had to learn PATIENCE. you dont become a champion overnight, regardless of the crazy Cardinal occurance. We are building and learning, we have young players all over the board.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 25, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a good team
We’re good. This draft was not make or break! We got Crabtree at #10. We could have closed up shop after that. The draft round number is (essentially) meaningless. Good players come in all rounds. We got what a 5th and 7th this year for a 2nd and 4th? Not horrible. Diamonds in the rough happen almost as often as the predicted picks pay off.
by dartdart on Apr 25, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst and best drafts
Are always judged by the top-line talent, not 2nd tier depth.
This year’s draft had exceptional 2nd tier depth and that’s why there was so much trading into the 2nd round.
Next year’s draft has exceptional top talent, but only ~10 teams are getting that kind of talent.
We have young players all over the board, but a lot of them are 5th/6th round picks for a reason. This year we’ll be stocking the roster with more 5th/6th rounders since we still need a backup at OT, backup CB, and power RB at a minimum.
I agree that the team will learn a lot this year and young guys will get a chance to start in the NFL, but to say they are building is not true. There was very little building this offseason when you look at this roster compared to last year’s.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
developing is building.
besides with two #1s next year, we could either trade up for a sure fire QB if we see that Hill/Smith dont work out, or we can get a late first OT and use our other pick for a S/CB/OLB/WR
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 26, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John
People who think the trade was bad need to chill. You don’t run an organization to win in only one year.
by Jayd92009 on Apr 25, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
should have posted a reply
I think we needed depth in alot of spots this year. I think that if we utilized all of our picks we’d be better this year and even better gaining team chemostry for next season. It’s not like if we used the picks that wee’d trade the guys away at the end of the season this would also make us better in the future
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if they were gonna be traded away. Next year we'd have a larger unit under the same regime!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream outcome
3rd round-OT (
5th round a.-Zack Follet OLB, Cal
5th round b.-Frank Summers RB UNLV
6th round-Tom Brandstater QB, Fresno State
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 25, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting and strange quote
McCloughan said he didn’t have a player on his draft board who justified the salary that would be required for the 43rd overall pick.
Really?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 25, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you're making that conclusion
from one sentence?
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mccloughan
He had another quotation in the Chronicle:
“We didn’t see value in that pick for us,” McCloughan said. “Carolina called and sweetened the pot with next year’s No. 1. Number one’s are huge. The depth of this draft is not as good as it’s been in the past. We’re not going to add a player just to add a player.”
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for adding another to prove it there is a lot of talent left in this draft.
Does anyone agree there is more talent available. I’m not sure I agree this isnt that strong of a draft. RB,OLB and OT’s are still available. Raiders took a 7th riund prospect and Patriots took a 5th there is talent!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
talent
I’m not saying there’s not more talent available, and I’m not saying McCloughan is saying there’s not more talent available. What this says is that given the pick situation, why draft someone too high and pay them more than they’re worth (giving a 3rd round talent 2nd round money). The Raiders are paying someone second round money when they probably could have had that guy sometime tomorrow with significantly less risk. When you’re talking about the dollar figures involved you can’t just throw it at anybody.
by Fooch on Apr 25, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
They need to take this guy out back and shoot him.
The team has holes for days, and he chose to pass on players that would’ve met the most pressing needs of OLB or OL in the 2nd round. When there are so many holes to fill-do they really have the luxury not to fill them???
They got 2 players that might make considerable impact and the rest will get cut or go to the practice squad. Two players is insufficient when there are so many holes to fill.
If that doesn’t make sense, and you really want to see how pathetic this draft was, take a look at the posts and all the hoopla sourrounding the signings of UFA’s. When that is the highlight of the draft after Crabtree- bend over and kiss your a$$ goodbye.
by Italia1970 on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it'll be worth it to pay for 2 number 1's next year?
How come NE ,and all those other teams like the Giants picking up Sincolm in the 2nd round were all willing to pay 2nd round $ for their picks? Wow, they must be CRAZY!
What Scott McG means is this — we’re going to have tp pay Crabtree so much money for his unproven “star WR” status — which puts Jason Hill and Josh Morgan far down the the WR totem poll on supposedly a RUN FIRST team — that the Niners can’t afford their 2nd round pick!
The Niners have given up on this season, but they expect us not to.
We keep rooting and blogging and hoping while our defense can not stop any good offense in the league — we can’t stop anyone on 3rd downs, and everyone out there wants to trade our picks next year for some rookie QB that has a 50/50 shot at making it?
There is talent in these rounds. We should have been all over Sincolm in round 2, or Britt at Oline, or a great safety. But no, we’ll get one mid 3rd round pick and then wait for round 5! No 2 and no 4 on a team with massive holes to fill????
Walsh used to trade down all the time. He drafted an entire defense in one year! New Englnad does the same thing. They draft a lot of rookies with lots of picks because they know some of them will be a bust, or get injured. Then they supplement those picks with veterans.
The trouble with the Niners is this: They have no overarching game plan: They paid big bucks for Brandon Jones then they draft Crabtree instead of trading down for picks — which is what I was hoping for.
There is a LOT of great middle round talent in this draft. We will get very few of those guys now. Because after paying Brandon Jones big money we decided we needed ANOTHER WR. — Bruce, Morgan, Hill, Battle, Zeigler, with Vernon Davis screaming for the ball at the same time. Welcome Crabtree, who will get paid more than all of the WRs combined.
PLUS now we’re a running team first. Right? So then why draft another WR????
This is what I mean: they have no overriding plan. They do what so many other teams do and just react to thingsin front of them — instead of creating opportunities.
Wait til we find out how much better Crabtree is than Bruce and Morgan and Hill and Brandon Jones — and then tell me how all those guys are going to get their share of throws? They’ll force Crabtree into the line up too soon because we’ll pay him star money, then Morgan and Hill will sit on the bench after showing how good their potential was last year.
Eventually they will get frustrated and not want to re-sign and go to another team first chance they get. All because they were under-used and under-appreciated on a bad team with no vision. It’s not a bad QB holding us back. It’s NO GAME PLAN.
Brandon Jones must be ecstatic too — big money to sit on the bench on a run first team that brings back Bruce and then drafts a WR in Round 1.
Ok, so it screws up the WR position, and pisses off VD. So what? But then tell me this: what do we do to fill in TRUE needs in round 2? We trade it plus our 4 for a 1st rounder NEXT YEAR. We’re not a good enough team to be able to afford that kind of gamble. We need help NOW.
And the viscious cycle continues. And the best teams — the ones with a true vision — will make us look like idiots yet again.
by Since79 on Apr 25, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs