San Francisco 49ers 2009 NFL Draft Grades
And so the 2009 NFL Draft is officially in our rear view mirror. Things got a bit heated at times (pretty much the entire time after the first round), but that's to be expected this time of year. Unless you're a Raiders fan, most teams' drafts leave some fans happy, some angry and some somewhere in between.
Naturally, the first thing we can do is grade the draft. I decided to wait a day so people could calm down and take a second look at the returns. Some of you will still be angry, but at least you've had a chance to sleep on it. Also, as you can see from the poll, we're including undrafted free agents in this group. While not part of the "draft class," they are a part of the San Francisco 49ers rookie class of 2009. Maybe they get lucky with some of them, maybe not. But we're including them anyways. On to the grades. A grade for the draft as a whole is at the end. And no pluses or minuses here. Just solid grades.
Michael Crabtree, WR - Grade: A
I realize the luck/Al Davis stupidity involved here. But sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. And in this case, the 49ers were exceptionally lucky. Crabtree was pretty close to #1 on my list of all players in the draft, and definitely #1 on the guys I wanted who I thought miiiiight slip to the 49ers. He's a gifted athlete who could be the 49ers #1 receiver before too long.
Obviously most any pick could be a bust, but there was simply no way the 49ers could pass up when Crabtree was dangled before them at #10. I think Michael Oher will end up having a very solid career in the NFL. Nonetheless, when it comes to what he brings to the table, he is no Michael Crabtree. Wide receiver was not a great need for the 49ers, but I won't even discount the grade because of that. He's the man and that's all there is too it.
Glen Coffee, RB - Grade: C
I'm not a big Coffee drinker but i actually like Glen Coffee. Based on what I've read and what some Alabama fans have told me (included in the above post), Coffee will be a very solid option for the 49ers as a backup running back. I like that he knows he can stand to put on about 8-10 lbs. That would put him at 6-0 and close to 220lbs. More importantly he loves to hit things and you know Singletary loves that.
The reason I discount this grade so much is that I'd imagine they could have had him a little later, or even gone with some other RB options late in the draft. Running back was a need for this team, in spite of what others might think. However, there were some serious players available here that left me a bit confused. In the end I can live with this pick because I do think the 49ers front office has some clue of what's going on (no snickers please). However, it was one that had me a little bit befuddled.
Scott McKillop, ILB - Grade: B
Barrows was pretty much on the money with this as he was pointing to McKillop and another ILB at this spot a few minutes before hand. People were screaming for Jamon Meredith as he was slip-sliding like crazy. The selection of McKillop resulted in a lot of Agggggghhhhhs. However, on reflection, people seem to be recognizing the value of the pick.
McKillop will start off as a special teams guy and a backup to Takeo Spikes. Jeff Ulbrich is running out of gas and is probably nearing the end of his 49ers tenure. Ulbrich could never snatch that Ted position, so now we've got another youngster who will get a crack at it. This is mostly about the future as McKillop is a sure tackler who probably has a good chance to eventually take over Spikes's position. Not a homerun pick but one that I view as very sound.
After the jump we wrap up the remaining four picks and undrafted free agents and give our overview.
Nate Davis, QB - Grade: A
The fifth round was all about looking to the future. The compensatory pick was used on a guy who might very well be a QB of the future. I was trying to decide between an A and a B and I just can't lower the grade. Nate Davis does have Alex Smith tendencies that we certainly don't want to see. The dyslexia is something that can be overcome in the NFL, but obviously is something to keep in mind.
And yet, I couldn't look past the wild productivity in college and the fact that he slipped into the end of the fifth round. Even if he doesn't end up as the long term answer, I like this pick no matter what. Over the last couple years Davis actually was considered a potential high NFL prospect. His draft stock slipped due to the dyslexia and probably the grip on the football. As a fifth round pick, this could end up being one of the steals of the draft.
Bear Pascoe, TE - Grade: C
I'm sure somewhere on Niners Nation I'm on record as being a fan of a tight end named Bear. He just sounds like a tight end and I fully expect him to ably fill the role of Billy Bajema, with maybe even a little receiving game thrown in. Sounds great for a late pick and I realize we can't complain too much about a sixth round choice. Maybe I'm being a bit too hard on the pick.
However, I kind of look at the sixth round as an opportunity to roll the dice on either character guys, or injury issue guys. In the end I'm perfectly fine with Bear Pascoe here because I am firmly convinced he'll contribute in the regular season. And yet, part of me wishes the team had been a bit more aggressive here. It's probably wanting to have my cake and eat it too, but such is life.
Curtis Taylor, S - Grade: B
I like this pick, in spite of the Mark Roman comparisons that were going on. Taylor seems like the type of guy you roll the dice on late in the draft. There are legitimate and obvious flaws in his game. However, when you know the flows, it can often be easier to fix them.
As a seventh round pick there is obviously no pressure on him to win a starting job. And yet, I think he'll give Dashon Goldson a fair amount of competition in training camp. What I found most interesting in his scouting report is that he's too aggressive, and yet he's not physical enough. I suppose I can see how that's possible, but it still sounds like an oxymoron somehow.
Ricky Jean-Francois - Grade: B
Where Bear Pascoe is a football name, Ricky Jean-Francois (RJF from here on out) is decidedly NOT a football name. I expect to see him smoking long cigarettes and insulting opponents with a thick French accent. Actually, he makes me think of Jean Girard from Talladega Nights.
However, RJF, like Taylor, seems like an upside guy that is worth gambling on in the 7th round. At 6-2, 295lbs he's probably a bit undersized for a nose tackle. However, I'd like to think he could pack a little weight on to his frame and possibly make some noise in that position. He's a bit taller than both Sopoaga and Franklin, but I don't know how his frame compares for adding such weight.
Undrafted Free Agents - Grade: A
I've included these as one group because I think the context of all the signings makes a little more sense. Thus far, they include Pannel Egboh (DE), Kory Sheets (RB), Alex Boone (OT), Jahi Word-Daniels (CB) and Carlos Thomas (CB). None of these guys is a home run hitter, or they would have gone in the draft. Question marks abound, but again, that's why they landed on the street.
It's waaaay too early to tell what will happen, but with a few extra pounds on his frame, I think Egboh could push Ray McDonald for a roster spot. McDonald has struggled in making his mark and with Kentwan Balmer and Demetric Evans getting their chances, the squeeze coud be on for Ray.
Kory Sheets was solid at Purdue, but he just doesn't seem to have the potential bulk that Coffee brings to the table. Sheets could find himself in a battle for Thomas Clayton's old practice squad spot. Meanwhile, you've got Alex Boone, who's had a few run-ins with the law. McShay projected him as a late fifth round pick, factoring in those character issues. So, just maybe, the 49ers might have a solid backup option. He'll be battling the likes of Joe Toledo and Jacob Bender for a roster spot, or maybe just a practice squad spot.
OVERALL - Grade: B
I'll bet good money a lot of folks disagree with me on this. I mentioned it in Since79's FanPost, but to reiterate, this was a very odd draft. It just had a weird feel to it, from top to bottom, even beyond the 49ers picks. Guys like Jamon Meredith were plummeting, and Al Davis was drafting guys not even in draft guides.
Beyond the Crabtree pick, the 49ers seemed to be drafting like a team just filling some depth needs, or more precisely, a playoff team with not a ton of concerns. That's certainly not the case and that is why many folks were getting furious. Personally, I wanted a Jamon Meredith or Duke Robinson. I would have liked a Shonn Greene.
However, when you factor in the undrafted free agents, this 49ers rookie class is very intriguing. I gave Coffee a C but that was more because it was a 3rd round pick, instead of a 4th or 5th round pick. You like to hit on those and it seemed like a bit of a gamble. However, I do like Coffee's upside as a backup RB. I don't think he's a guaranteed bust, like others.
People were surprised the team did not grab any offensive linemen or outside linebackers. While I don't know any more than any of you, I do think this indicates the team is obviously fairly happy with what they already have in place. Boone will get a chance to win a roster spot, but for now he's pretty far down the depth chart behind Smith, Snyder and Sims.
Finally, there's The Trade. I was amazed at the divide over this. Some love it, some hate it and very few are in between. I'm a fan of the deal. It cost some potential talent this year, but I like getting that extra first rounder next year. It's all a crapshoot in the end, so why not increase your odds of avoiding crapping out? If I didn't like this trade I would have definitely seen the point of giving the 49ers a C or a D given that it involved a 2nd and 4th round pick. However, I think the trade should prove beneficial in the long run, thus I maintain the B.
There is much much more to be said about this draft. Numerous questions are raised by the moves made this weekend. As long as this post is, I simply can't fit it all in. Over the course of this week and beyond, we'll have plenty of thoughts about what I think again many people would agree was a rather bizarre weekend.
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You guys got a steal with Davis
Nate will be an exceptional QB in the league, if given the right patience, timeline, and coaching to develop. The raw skills are there, and he’s very talented and hungry.
Our coverage of Davis.. http://overthepylon.blogspot.com/
-Alan
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by OverThePylon on Apr 27, 2009 5:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
While the trade seems iffy right now, especially with 2 good OLBs and a good OT still on the board
I’m amazed that no one is talking about by what I think is obvious that Scot Mck. is doing.
To me it’s clear that the niners are positioning themselves for next years draft in the first round so that with two 1st rounders, they’ll have the ability to go and get whichever QB from next year’s impressive class they like best.
In the end, that’s why I like this trade
by foosball4949 on Apr 27, 2009 5:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I am still steamed over the trade. While we got a Bandaid at tackle (smith) and may still get somewhere with Lawson, they could have picked up a good player. Next year at draft time, I’m sure I will be less annoyed, but this is a league of the here and now, and we def. Could have used someone here and now. There were still some good looking DB’s too.
by Arkie49er on Apr 27, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the trade
will give more flexibility than QB in next year’s draft. It will give us a shot at landing the best OT in the draft, and a pretty darn good LG too.
If our QBs don’t pan out this season, obviously it may be a selection the team can go with, with one of the first rounders.
For the record, I liked the trade. Yes, there were plenty of guys in the 2nd round and 4th round we could’ve used this season, but having two first rounders is solid. Also, I don’t think the team could’ve picked up a 2009 first rounder for a 2nd and 4th this season, so the trade makes sense. Especially if Carolina takes a step back after having a good season (something they are prone to do).
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
This league is not a here and now league look at the Patriots always planning for the future. Next years is supposed to be much better than this years due to the fact that so little Juniors came out which means more senior talent. It was a very good trade in my opinion.
by Mullester on Apr 27, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
it’s certainly a tough pill to swallow, seeing brown get selected with our pick, but taking a long term view, I do think it made sense
we’ll see next year
by foosball4949 on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are the QBs we’re looking at in next year’s draft? McCoy is the only one I know of, and he doesn’t impress me as a great NFL QB or anything.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 27, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm...
How about Sam Bradford (’08 Heisman trophy winner)?
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford? DNW
He does not impress me as a possible NFL QB. He didn’t get hit all year until the championship game and was obviously rattled. He has serious “bust” written all over him.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 27, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
For the Yar
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 27, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jumping the gun there
He was a Soph last year. The kid has a ton of promise and good accuracy/touch on his passes. I think he’s a better QB than Sanchez already. He got hit in two games and they lost both games… that’s the one thing I agree with you on.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Bradford, Jevan Snead, Jimmy Claussen (gag, but the media and scouts seem to love him). There are some sleepers out there, too, like Russell Wilson at NC State. And if Locker learns how to throw the ball…
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 27, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know everyone's gonna go apeshit on me for this but,
Tim Tebow is a born leader. He thrives on competition and excels when it comes to winning.
Tie all that in with the fact that he’s taking ANOTHER year at Florida to buff up his passing game, and you have a QB ala Big Ben in Tebow. I think the niners lack the most foundational character on a team and that is a winning, outspoken, driven and born leader in Tebow. I’m not some fanatic Tebow lover, but when it comes to QB’s Tebow provides a duel threat (Running, Passer) and he even put Florida’s record on his shoulder after humiliating losses last year.
I’ve been a niner fan since I was in my mother’s womb, listening to broadcasts of Montana to RICE, unfortunately I’m too young to remember anything before that, but I think Tebow brings a winning attitude the 49ers haven’t seen in years. He’s a QB any team will be lucky to have, (and NO HE WILL NOT BE A HB/FB/RB) And if you think so, your crazy. The kid will not go to any team that makes him play that position, even if its #1 pick overall.
Focker out
by UCLABRU1 on Apr 27, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey... What did I miss?
Away from the computer all weekend, so I am JUST getting through the posts from the weekend (wjackalope… drunk hiccups are the worst, I empathize).
After watching all the shenanigans from one of the better (and by better I mean more entertaining) drafts in recent history, I can say I’m happy with how the Niners didn’t completely drop the ball. I expected, like most of you, an OLB, OT, DE heavy draft, especially early, but when Crabs fell to us (BTW: Called it!) I think I concussed myself by jumping through the roof.
I’m a big Coffee drinker. He always impressed me when I watched him this past season, and I’m a big fan of the pick. RB is a need; Gore can not carry this team like he has done in the past without posing a serious risk to the future of this team’s running game. While this could turn out to be a complete whiff on the part of Mac, I like the gamble.
The rest of the picks are interesting, and just that. Nothing too flashy (maybe because I was flashed out post-Crabtree) but as Fooch said – we are building depth.
I’ve got some more elaborate ideas/thoughts about each pick and the big trade for the pick next year (I’m on record here – I LOVED it) but as for now, I’m really looking forward to a Hill-to-Crabtree TD pass this preseason v. Oakland!!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 27, 2009 5:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabs vs. DHB
yeah, I somehow see us getting the better end of that either-or scenario. McShay thinks DHB “may have the potential to be a pro bowl receiver 3 or 4 seasons down the road”. Somehow I don’t think that’s conditional enough.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks dude
I had those hiccups on and off all day and night saturday. it was awful
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole gambit of issues to discuss
Wow i must say the draft went by too fast. I was really excited for the weekend and i knew that the future of this organization will be determined by MIke Sing selecting his coaches along with, more importantly, his troops, his guys to usher in a new era of competitive smashmouth play. Thats why i had issues with the draft that im gonna address along with questions regarding what everyone else, THE NINER NATION, had to say.
1. The Niners definitely made a plus first round draft pick in #15 Michael Crabtree of TT. However, Mcloughan should not be entirely praised for this selection as much of the credit goes in fact to GMs like Pioli of KC and Del Rio of the Jags who passed up the talented WR,
2. And of course the directionless and Anne Frankly pathetic Raiders headed by the joke tandem of Al Davis and his puppet Cable. The raiders really were just looking to sign reach draft picks who ran fast 40 times and MORE IMPORTANTLY the stingy Al Davis would be able to negiotiate much much much, did i mention that?, lower contracts with. No doubt in my mind
3. I personally gave the draft a C grading. Why? The niners really failed to accomplish several important and pressing concerns. Every single fan who watched a niners game last year realized that the pass defense was ineffective and was lacking solid depth due to a string of injuries (see Spencer) and spotty and inconsistent play (Nate Clements was not given $80 million to get burned by that bum T.O./whats the reason Mark Roman hasnt had an interception in 2 years, but has started the last 32 games?). The niners can not draft safeties in the 7th round and think that their problems on D will change. Fitzgerald went off last year and honestly, i hate to say it, but with his ascension along with T.J. joining the seahawks the niners need to get serious fast. No real defensive help coming although the LSU picks have upside.
On a side note i think that Mcloughan is really really lazy and does not do his research at all. He got lucky Crabtree was there, damn even Matt Millen would have made that pick, (wait did i just jinx our future hall of famer?) He used both his 7th round picks on LSU players, got Coffee from BAMA, and no other really notable players besides the potential of Davis (dude needs to stop talking about his LD so much, the bay area media will chew him up if he doesnt learn to keep that on the DL if you catch my drift.) SEC homer anyways. Thats all i have to say. For the most part i enjoyed the draft, but i think the niners should strive to do better. All us fans can do is just sit back and watch the niners either botch or Bill Belechik their way to a future Super Bowl Ring
by OaktownBalla on Apr 27, 2009 6:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S. People
This thread is going to get ginormous, spectacular, elongated, discussed, argued over, chewed up, spit out and will be heated and great fun. All i ask is people learn to use the reply for posts and comments. Make to keep the critique intelligent and vibrant, (the least i can say for that 90 year old man across the Bay roosting atop his Mountain at Alameda County Coliseum. Man that sounds horrible)
Go 49ers and USC Trojans 09’
by OaktownBalla on Apr 27, 2009 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say C
is the grade the draft gets.
I’m with you on that. The team seems to know something more than we do about the defense, and the OT situation. Alex Boone coming in as an UDFA is nice, but I’m still scratching my head over not taking an OT or OLB in the draft.
I think the regime has a lot of trust in Manny Lawson and Marvel Smith, but I also think Scot McC created the contingency plan with the extra 2010 first rounder. It could shore up our OT situation, get us another OLB, or if David Baas isn’t extended, get us a LG we need. I think McCloughan wants his guys to get a serious shot before he starts drafting the replacements.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C grade
I could certainly see arguments for a C grade. If I’d gone with a plus/minus system, I’d probably go C+ or B-, but I rounded up here.
by Fooch on Apr 27, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C grade
I think I could go with B just as easily, but I don’t want to get ahead of myself. I mean, honestly, Crabtree and an extra 2010 first rounder screams “A+++” to me. The rest of the draft balances it out, not because it wasn’t a good draft, but because the team addressed players that fit the philosophy. Crabtree was 99% luck (the Niners did have to hand in the draft card), and the rest of the draft wasn’t flashy.
I am happy. and I do think the draft could end up A+ in two years.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A+?
Basically, everybody would have to pan out in order for that to happen—McKillop would have to become a starter, Davis a stud, Coffee will just have to be the back-up battering ram that he looks like, and Crabtree—well he’ll just have to live up to his press clippings. I’m not ruling it out, though 2 years is a quick turnaround on some of these guys. I am happy about the extra 1st rounder; even if the Panthers win the Super Bowl, if you check the trade value chart ( http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php ), the Niners got a deal.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
for an A+ everything has to pan out, and that’s the point. None of us know if this draft is a grade F or A until we see results. I give it a C, but that opinion is just as accurate as someone giving it an F or an A. Mind you, an F is a little less realistic, and an A is extremely optimistic.
Basically a grade of B or C seems a lot more suitable in the meantime. The real grade comes down the road.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to make sure to devalue future draft picks at 1 round/year. If you use the values of this years picks, then yes, it’s a good deal. But if we end up with the 32nd pick next year, we got robbed.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 27, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how high...
do you think it’d have to be (for you) to think it was a good deal?
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head (and without looking at the chart), I’d be hoping to get something in the upper two-thirds of the first round. So about 24 and higher. Even if next year’s draft is better, the strength of this year’s was the very deep second round. The likelihood that we get a better player next year at 32 than we could’ve gotten this year at 43 is not that high. I like the trade more than I did yesterday, but it won’t look good if Carolina plays up to its potential next year.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems rediculous to me
I think it’s very much likely that we could get a better player at 32 next year than we could have got this year at 43. This year is considered to be a weak draft so unless next years is terrible it seems almost certain that the players available next year at 32 would be better than a second round pick this year.
Now you have to figure in the fact that we are getting hurt by not having a player for this year, but in a straight value for value comparison saying we might have gotten a better player at 43 this year than we could get at 32 next year is down right crazy.
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 27, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I somewhat agree
if we end up with 32, we didn’t get robbed, we got a pretty even value.
However, I don’t think the Panthers will win the Super Bowl. Yes, stranger things have happened, and its impossible to predict where the Panthers will finish, but 2 first rounders will be beneficial next year.
Keep in mind, we can always trade that first rounder for extra picks next year, or for a guy at the trading deadline this year.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more or less with you on this. Yes, the pick gives us flexibility and the Panthers probably won’t make the Super Bowl. I like those things. I’m just going to be rooting against the Panthers all year, is all, so that we can max out the value of that pick.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Apr 27, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’ll be hoping for a John Fox firing and a 1-7 start to the season for the Cats.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read below
If we ended up with 32, then we absolutely got robbed and fleeced. We need 17 or above.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I don’t think we need 17 or above. I think anything in the low 20s will be fine.
I expect the Niners to receive a 25 at the worst from Carolina. Keep this in mind: Draft picks this year will be determined on length of finish including playoffs. So if Carolina goes 10-6 and misses the playoffs because Atlanta goes 11-5 and New Orleans goes 12-4 we would get a pick at the very worst 16.
That isn’t so bad, is it?
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pardon me
20, for a second I thought the NFL had 8 teams per conference make the playoffs.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing is
I wouldn’t lay responsibility for the whole draft at McCloughan’s feet. Singletary definitely had a large influence here (see Coffee, McKillop, Pascoe … etc.).
and nah, you didn’t jinx anyone – Millen sucked, but Millen picked Calvin Johnson. Let’s NOT expect Crabtree to be the next Jerry Rice or anything. But, with his production in college so far, there is no reason why he can’t be on the level of T.O. or Calvin Johnson.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 27, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crab
Crab is being touted as the next Q, according to league analysts anyway. I wouldn’t mind that at all.
I am a fan of the 49ers, and have been since 1989. I am a fan of the Texas Tech Red Raiders (and yes before it was cool) since 1997.
Never have I seen a wide receiver like Michael Crabtree put up numbers in Tech’s “gimmick” offense. In his freshman year, he went bananas. Teams couldn’t stop him. I won’t list the numbers, because you already know them. This guy is bonafide.
In his second year, he dealt with double and triple teams constantly. Part way through the season, he injured his ankle (which probably lead to the stress fracture). He played with the injury, and still beat double and triple teams consistently. This guy is bonafide. I’ve never seen any wide receiver have so much success in the Tech system. Not even current NFL star Wes Welker (whom I love) put up numbers like Crab.
You won’t get the next Calvin Johnson, the next Anquan Boldin, the next Jerry Rice. What we’ll get is Michael “Fucking” Crabtree.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 3 years...
I think Nate Davis will be on the field. He has the benefit of taking part in the fight for starting QB for the next couple of years (yes, I said Benefit) and will have a nice comfortable spot on the bench, where he can watch and learn. No, I don’t think he’ll start off the bat. Add in that we don’t have a definitive answer for QB, and he may have drafted in to a dream situation. He will eventually get a shot at starting with the 9ers. Just depends on how he approaches it.
by Arkie49er on Apr 27, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
probably
if another team had traded for a first rounder next year(like new england), more people would be asking why can’t we do that? And probably the same people upset about the trade will probably forget about it during the 2010 draft when SF has 2 picks. we’ll find out in a few years. hopefully this draft turns out more like 2007 then 2003.
http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/draft.php?section=PR+2006+Draft
by save10 on Apr 27, 2009 6:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Running Backs
How can anybody doubt the GM picking running backs in the 3rd round. Frank Gore ppl…
Cream
by chriscream on Apr 27, 2009 7:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coffee and Crabs
Coffee will be a good back-up. He can perform against smash mouth Defenses (see SEC). I like him. Would have liked him better in the 4th, but I like the pick. He will be perfect for spelilng Gore. I’m more wondering how our style will suit Crabs. Not likely to have insane numbers. I hope he’s good at YACs, because he’s gonna need them if he’s going to make a name for himself. He probably won’t get the skin very often, given the talent already on the team (to be proven this year!) and our run first mentality. Lets hope when he does get it, he makes it count.
by Arkie49er on Apr 27, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crab is a master of YAC
He’ll perform really well from day one. I don’t want to start throwing numbers around, but I think Crab will be the second leading receiver on the team in his rookie season. His hard work, his route running, his YAC ability, and his hands separate him from everyone else on the roster, aside from Isaac Bruce.
I think Bruce and Crabtree are going to give defenses fits with their precision and professionalism. Not to mention the speed of Hill and the upside of Morgan. Man, this WR corps is exciting already.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
what I wanted to hear. Now….who will be making the passes to them? Hill or Smith? I want to give Hill a shot, but do have a lot of respect for Smith’s willingness to redo his contract. Camp will be exciting.
by Arkie49er on Apr 27, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think QB is becoming less important
now that we actually have talent surrounding our QB. Bonafide talent, that is. Maybe our O-Line isn’t the greatest at pass protection, but in the new scheme it doesn’t have to be, the effectiveness of the run game will help.
Shaun Hill should succeed as starter, but Alex Smith could dark horse his way into the driver’s seat. As long as we aren’t throwing Nate Davis into the fire immediately, we’ll be ok.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big fan of Crabtree, but...
what’s with the Brandon Jones signing? $5.4 million of his ($16.5 million) contract is guaranteed, and now we have him, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Dominique Ziegler (and his ‘fro), Crabtree, Arnaz Battle AND Isaac Bruce (for one more year anyway). We aren’t going to have 6 receivers on the 53 man roster, I can pretty well guarantee that. So what gives?
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Brandon Jones’ contract is… well, confusing. I don’t think the team envisioned Crabtree falling to 10 ever. The big thing the team was talking about with Jones is his blocking and his physicality.
Plus, the durability concerns with Jason Hill and Josh Morgan are present. Brandon Jones has had some injuries in his career too.
I think its safe to say Arnaz Battle and Zeigler are going to be cut. When is the question.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a mountain of money to just eat. Do you know if Zeigler still has practice squad eligibility? Battle is done (sniff).
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this his third year?
I think he’s still practice squad eligible, but will another NFL team let that happen?
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Battle gets cut and the team goes with six wide-outs. Battle isn’t going to see the field and doesn’t have any upside (unlike Ziegler, who could still develop into a decent player).
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
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by cornball on Apr 27, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RJF is NOT a Nose Tackle prospect
I just do not see this at all. He plays WAY too high. In fact, it’s astonishing that he made any plays at all with the way he stands up before making contact. Someone needs to put an electric fence above this guy at about 4’6" and say “OK, now let’s see you make some plays.” Leverage, people, LEVERAGE!
(end rant)
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm fallin in love all over again!!!
Ever been with a girl so long that u get kinda ehhh…. like u love her, but it’s just so “familiar” …. then she does something to make u rememer why u fell in love the first time… Well the Niners’ are that for me…. and I’m FALLING IN LOVE ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!
I was very discouraged with the lack of enthusiasm up to the draft….. I thought we could’ve gone after sum people in the free agency… and was kinda Ehhhhh…. But this draft was in my opinion very good… and i’ve even more confident about next season…
LET’S GO! I’M READY FOR GAME IN JANUARY!
by NJ_9er_fan on Apr 27, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UDFA's
I like the guys they’re pursuing (particularly Alex “DWI” Boone and Kory Sheets).
A thought, though; why not drop Huard today and sign Graham Harrell as a camp QB? You know that Crabtree would be a fan of this move.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because I think ultimately
Huard’s presence at camp will provide great benefit for everyone involved. Huard is a career backup, and has been there, done that. That kind of presence will be important for Nate Davis to observe, and Alex Smith too.
Graham Harrell on the other hand, has a lot of work ahead of him, like learning how to take a snap under center. There is going to be a lot of work going into this guy if he signs on with an NFL team, and the Niners already have to develop Nate Davis, re-develop Alex Smith, and see if Shaun Hill is a starter. Adding a young, raw guy like Harrell wouldn’t do much good for him or the team.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear!
I’m a big Fresno State fan, and I think Bear is going to be a major steal for this team. He’s a big, athletic guy that is pretty good in the passing game. I could see him becoming an Eric Johnson-type of player. I love this pick.
As far as the rest of the draft goes, I’m pretty meh. The Crabtree pick fell into our laps, so the new administration shouldn’t get much credit for that. I don’t think this draft is anything to tar and feather over, but it’s certainly not terribly impressive.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 27, 2009 8:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I maintain
We could’ve gotten him a round later and picked up Coye Francies (and some creatine, I know).
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 27, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know, though
if there’s a guy that you really like (and I’m assuming this is the case), then you should just get him, even if it’s a round or two earlier than most people think he should be drafted. You never know if he’ll ever fall back to you or if someone else likes him even more.
I think all this bickering is a little useless. Singletary and Co. have scouted these players and probably met with them. They know a heck of a lot more about them than we do, so what’s the point in trying to act like we know something that they don’t?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 27, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this in lower rounds
When your talking about 6th and 7th round picks, if you can find a guy who you think will contribute to your team I don’t think it’s a reach at all. Why take the chance of someone else grabbing him, there is not a lot of value in the last couple rounds.
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 27, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The Trade
It cost some potential talent this year, but I like getting that extra first rounder next year. It’s all a crapshoot in the end, so why not increase your odds of avoiding crapping out?
Actually, the odds have become far more likely that the 49ers will crap out. They went from possibly drafting two players, one of 1st/2nd round value and one 3rd/4th round value given the players available in those spots….. to having one 1st round pick of unknown value.
Trading up almost always increases the odds that you’ll walk away empty handed.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: The Trade Part 2
The 49ers traded pick #43 (valued at 470 pts) and #111 (valued at 72 pts) for the Panthers 1st round pick. That’s a combined 542 points of trade value sent in this year’s draft.
What most of you are still failing to realize is that future draft picks are heavily discounted. Do you all not realize the value of time? Are you the kinds of people who would actually take the yearly payments after winning the lottery instead of the lump sum?
Draft picks are investments. Player progression is the interest returned. The 49ers just lost a year of returns on two players in exchange for the possibility of a early-mid 1st round pick in next year’s draft. I’m sure we can all agree that based on the Panthers recent success and current roster, they are well positioned to be a playoff contender next year.
Back to future draft pick value. There was a study a few years ago titled “The Loser’s Curse: Overconfidence vs. Market Efficiency in the National Football League Draft”. Do a Google search on it if you can stomach some advanced math. To oversimplify one of their studies, here is a snippet:
The estimated discount rate, ρ , is a staggering 173.8% (se=.141) per year.
That means that current draft picks are valued at 173.8% more than the next year’s pick at the same slot in the draft. In order to find out what break-even value would be for the 49ers trade with the Panthers, we would need to find the draft slot worth 542 points (what the 49ers traded away) and multiiply that by 173.8%. That equals 942 points on the draft value chart.
942 points on the draft value chart corresponds to the 17th pick in next year’s draft. In other words, unless the 49ers get the 17th pick or better in next year’s draft they will have technically lost this trade.
Is it worth it to assume that 14 teams will finish the 2009 season better than the Panthers when this team has immediate draft needs? Is it worth the possible development time for two prospects to take that kind of risk with the fragile state that this franchise is in right now?
In my opinion, absolutely not. I don’t see the 49ers getting an even return value from this pick because the Panthers are still a great team capable of competing for a championship.
So next time you look at this trade, it’s not simply moving from the 2nd round to the 1st round. That was what the Seahawks did when they fleeced the Broncos. It’s also NOT what the Patriots do, despite what so many people have said because the Patriots rarely come out of a trade with a value loss in the future. Look at the numbers and realize that a lot was lost this year for one chance (no guarantees) next year.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that assumes
that all drafts are created equal, which they are not. This draft was directly compared to 05, in that it doesn’t seem to have an abundance of talent at the top. The type of quality you can get late in the 1st next year might be far greater than anything offered late this year. Brown dropped past numerous teams that needed pass rush, you’ve got to imagine teams didn’t like what they saw.
by Flash36 on Apr 27, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking back at 06
the year after the depleted 05 draft and late first rounders included DeAgelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Kiwanuka (at 32nd). Or us getting Staley late in 07.
by Flash36 on Apr 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then look back at 2005
Roddy White, Aaron Rodgers, and Heath Miller late in the 1st. Every draft has booms and busts. The only thing that can usually be judged in advance is top-tier talent. The 2010 draft has more top-tier talent than this year’s, but that means having a top 10-15 pick.
This year had quality 2nd/3rd round depth. Moreso than past drafts based on what I saw. I’d also appreciate it if people would stop using Everette Brown’s name as if he was the bonafide selection at #43. There were other 1st round talents on the board. Stop using Brown’s name.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again
FA saved the draft
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by supraman on Apr 27, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Overall I thought that it was a decent draft. I like crabtree and I think in 2 or 3 years he will be putting up Jerry Rice like numbers.
He just has those intangibles that you see on film like when he catches the ball in a crowd and you think those fast corners and safeties are going to catch him and then he does a houdini for a touchdown.
The second round fourth round pick exchange for the first rounder next year was a bit of a head scratcher for some, but I think that I have narrowed it down to 3 players coming out next year that has the front office and coaching staff intrigued.
The number one player that I think they want is safety Taylor Mays from USC. They probably would have picked him if he had come out this year and he would have been projected between 7 and 14. If he develops anymore then he could be a top 5 pick and the niners would have to part with both first rounders to get him, which I don’t think they’ll do. This would break singletary’s heart and it should. Mays is 6-3 1/2 235 and runs at least a 4.3 40(I’ve seen as low as 4.23) and hits like a Mack truck. There isn’t a safety playing right now that is nearly as good as he is going to be by his 2nd or 3rd season. Here are some highlights. In the last play they show him leveling the penn state reciever and his own teammate, decleats both.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F60IYoZqAvU
Believe it or not the second player is also a safety. He is Tennessee S Eric Berry and he is nearly as good as Mays and I have seen him higher in some 2010 mocks. At 5’ ll" 203 he’s not the physical speciman that Mays is, but he was the SEC defensive player of the year as a freshman and sophmore and led the nation in interceptions. He is expected to break the all time interception return yards record early this season. He is faster than mays with true low 4.2 speed and was a track star in high school where he was a state champion anchor runner for the relay team and the individual 200 meter champion. He would be a better all around player because he could return kicks and play as a 4th receiver if necessary. Here is a highlight of him intercepting an endzone pass and showing superb body control and in the second half of the clip he lays out knowshown moreno(230 pound running back) and visibly hurts him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk7Oj8wmRLQ
The third player is the one that most people are thinking of and that is QB Colt Mccoy out of Texas. I now live in the Austin area and so I have seen a lot of him and he is impressive. People knock his arm strength, but he reminds me a lot of Steve Young. He is extremely accurate in the short to midrange passes and his overall accuracy is 77% which is outrageous. He also has not only escability, but can run for the first downs and extend the drive which is what Young did so well. The strangest thing about him is that he sees things that he shouln’t be able to see and you just think “how did he know to throw it there.” It has been proven by an army study that people can see 3 seconds into the future(seriiously look it up) and Colt seems to have that as you will see from the youtube I included. He needs to gain about 15-20 pounds to be able to take the punishment of the NFL, but if retains his speed then he will be a great one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Lo-6Z2aG4&feature=related
These are the three player that I believe they had in mind when they traded those picks. I think that beleive that its going to take at least one more year of rebuilding to get deep into the playoffs. I’m favoring the safeties because they’re haven’t been any like them since Sean Taylor and the talent they have probably comes along every 10 years or so. With the two in the same draft, the 49ers have to believe they can land one of them.
The QB would be nice, but in the NFL starting QB’s seem to come out of nowhere because the game is so cerebral that it is hard to predict the learning curve. We might have the QB now and this year he just gets it and excels. One can only hope.
by niners8 on Apr 27, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
QB Colt McCoy
S Taylor Mays
S Eric Berry
interesting, I’ll start keeping tabs on these guys
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by Persiflage on Apr 27, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do teams...
… in the top five really take FSs?
by sfgfan on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usually not
But these two guys are rated in the Sean Taylor and Ed Reed categories for a reason and safeties have been going much higher overall since the shift from tackling safeties to coverage safeties over the last decade.
LaRon Landry – 6th overall, 2007 (WAS)
Michael Huff – 7th overall, 2006 (OAK)
Sean Taylor – 5th overall, 2004 (WAS)
Roy Williams – 8th overall, 2002 (DAL)
Three of those are SS’s though. I personally think that Mays ends up at SS in the NFL while Berry is clearly a FS.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice evaluation on those guys
Other names that specifically fit 49ers needs in 2010:
NT Terrance Cody, Alabama – Best NT prospect since Vince Wilfork. I think he might be better than Wilfork and could be the best NT in the NFL. I’m practically begging for Cody leading into the 2010 draft…. forget trading up for a QB.
DE Greg Hardy, Ole Miss – Sack machine. He’s probably better than Orakpo/Brown/Maybin right now.
DE George Selvie, USF – Similar to Hardy, but quicker. One of the best 3-4 OLB prospects next year without a doubt.
S Morgan Burnett, GA Tech and S Major Wright, Florida – Two hard-hitting safeties with great range. Next year’s FS/SS class is going to be one of the best this decade. Burnett has big play potential.
Others who don’t really fit the 49ers but will be top picks:
DE Carlos Dunlap, Florida – The only player to hold his own against Andre Smith last year. This guy has everything, size, speed, quickness, and power. Not really sure what position he’ll project to in the NFL since he’s so huge, yet so quick. Too big for 3-4 OLB, but too athletic to waste at 3-4 DE. Most likely plays 4-3 DE.
TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma – Jeremy Shockey with less trash talk and toughness, but better hands.
DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma – Best penetrating DL in the class… just dominated every OL he faced last year.
MLB Brandon Spikes, Florida and Rolando McClain, Alabama and Joe Pawelek, Baylor – Rey Maualuga got all of the hype, but I thought all three of these guys were better last year.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
next years 1st round
will be more defensive than this year, and that’s a good thing since we have 2 picks in the 1st round. Regardless of where in the 1st, they’re still in the 1st.
by sundaysfinest on Apr 27, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"regardless of where in the 1st"
That’s a shallow comment. If we get the 31st or 32nd pick, then an early 2nd round pick becomes a better value.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I somewhat disagree
you get an extra year added onto the contract of a first round pick, while the second rounder doesn’t get as long of contract.
in other words, if the team nails the pick in the first round, he’s locked up one year longer than he would be if drafted in the second round. yes, at a higher cost, but hey, one extra year keeping the player away from free agency is one more year at extending or evaluating talent.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 27, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
signing bonus and contract
You want to pay a kid 1st round money one pick away from the 2nd round?
There’s a reason the Patriots traded out of the 1st round repeatedly to stockpile picks in the 2nd round.
The 32nd pick is the worst pick in the draft.
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 28, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I don’t think bonuses suddenly drop just because you’re the 33rd pick as opposed to the 32nd. I’m sure if you go look it up (if there is a way to do so), the drop between 32 and 33 is similar to the drop between 31 and 32 or 33 and 34. The salary is slotted for a reason.
by sfgfan on Apr 28, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked it up
From the 2007 draft, here were their 2008 salary cap values:
1st, 31: Greg Olsen – $1,311,050
1st, 32: Anthony Gonzalez – $1,321,530
2nd, 33: Alan Branch – $874,440
2nd, 34: Paul Posluszny – $872,400
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by youALREADYknow on Apr 28, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hang on
you are also comparing a tight end, and a WR with a DT and an ILB. bonus money varies for positions as rookies too.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 28, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to suggest this...
… except I think that if all else were equal, a DT would have more bonus money than a TE, so the 33rd pick (Branch) should have a salary a lot closer to the 31st (Olsen). Of course, this may be a special case because of Branch’s “off the field” issues could have given the team leverage to reduce his guarantees.
by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed - I'd give the draft a "B" as well
I’m disappointed because I want to start giving our drafts As, and this year wasn’t one of them. Maybe next year – two picks in the first round will be nice.
Crabtree – it’s all already been said, but he helped win me over by his attitude while he was being passed over in the draft
Coffee – sucks that we probably could have taken him a round later, but I think he’s going to make us all big fans – The more I think about it, I’m becoming convinced that this was one of our major needs filled. Frank Gore is amazing, but the last few years we’ve seen the price we have to pay by making him the workhorse RB that we completely rely on. It works for the first 12 games of the season, but by the end, you can see it’s wearing on him.
Drafting a Power RB to share the load is not only going to give us a more energetic runner during the game, but it’s also going to help Gore’s health. Hell, by sharing the load with Coffee, we may just be adding a couple more years to Gore’s stay as our starting RB. And remember, supposedly we’re going to have a heavier running game this year than we have the last few years. I like what they’ve done 1) Gore is starting, 2) Coffee is now there as a power/short yardage back to help share the work, 3) Moran Norris is back blocking as our FB again, 4) Crabtree is a WR who is (a) going to make our passing game much more dangerous in tandem with Shaun Hill & Isaac Bruce (teams are going to be able to focus on our running game even LESS than last season), and (b) a WR who is good at blocking, 5) Pascoe is a big blocking TE.
dudes, our offense is now looking better and more dangerous than it has ever looked in the last 5-6 years.
Personally, I’m already love rooting for Hill, Bruce, Gore, J. Smith, and Willis – and now It’s going to be a joy rooting for personalities like Crabtree, Coffee, McKillop, Pascoe … and maybe even Boone.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 27, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No idea
I have no idea if this is a good or bad draft, but it feels good. Crabtree could put another 70-100 yards per game in our offensive column. That’s another touchdown.
I think that the running game is going to be much better with a real fullback, a more traditional offense, and a passing game that will pry the safeties away from the line of scrimmage.
I still worry about the pass rush, and I worry about depth at right tackle, but, hey, if there was nothing to worry about I’d get bored.
I’m happy as a clam in mud over Crabtree.
I’ve been away from home and mostly away from the internet and I just have to let Fooch and the rest of you know how good it is to find some WI-FI to get here.
by Bob On The Coast on Apr 27, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
davis to davis
sounds very nice
i also like how davis to crabtree will sound effective to
by big beaner on Apr 27, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
About the trade
I’m somewhat in between but I’m leaning toward in favor of it. The reasoning behind the trade is sound. This was widely considered to be a weak draft and the chance to get into the first next year is worth the lost of a second and fourth. The only question is if you think you are better at evaluating college players than the 49ers paid scouts are. Personally I really like Everette Brown, but there had to be a reason he made it down to 43 so I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
You lose some value by waiting a year to get a player, but a first round guy has a much better chance of succeeding than a 2nd rounder no matter what year so if you aren’t excited about the players available, moving up is a good move.
Also, I think we could get a good pick from Carolina next year. The NFC south is a good division, the last place team had the 14th pick this year and I could easily see the Panthers finishing last in the south. They have a very tough schedule this year and they really haven’t improved that much from last year. Jake Delhomme is another year older and Deangello Williams is coming off a career year so a regression could be in store.
While I’m disappointed at the players we didn’t get this year I still think this trade is a win.
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 27, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2010 draft
What should receive an A grade is trading the second and fourth round pick in this draft (a weak draft) for a 1st rounder in next year’s draft (a loaded draft). We are going to be very thankful for that draft pick when it comes around
by knightwxc5000 on Apr 28, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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