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San Francisco 49ers Wide Receivers: Let the battle for playing time begin

When the 49ers drafted Michael Crabtree, I was certainly quite excited.  In drafting Crabtree, the 49ers added potentially their most dynamic wide receiver since Terrell Owens.  While I would have been quite content with the receiving corp we had heading into 2009, only a fool would turn down a talent like Michael Crabtree.

However, the addition of Crabtree certainly leaves the team in a bit of a pickle when it comes to spreading the ball around.  Both Maiocco and Barrows have discussed the potential logjam at wide receiver.  It was the one drawback to selecting Crabtree, if you can even really call having too many talented receivers a drawback.  And before, anybody says anything, I realize the talent is young and still relatively unproven.  However, there is definitely talent spread throughout the receiver corp.

Although it's certainly way too early to make accurate predictions, I figured we'd at least open it up for discussion.  How do you see Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye handling this, particular given the intention of instituting a relatively conservative offense?

Although the winner of the Arnaz Battle/Dominique Zeigler battle royal likely won't be a huge factor in the passing game, I would like to clarify something.  Dominique Zeigler is NOT eligible for another season on the practice squad.  I noticed that in discussions about the wide receiver position, anytime Zeigler was mentioned it was with the qualifier asking whether he was eligible for the practice squad.

According to Article XXXIV of the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, a player is not eligible for the practice squad if they have an accrued season of NFL experience.  According to Article XVIII of the CBA, a player accrues a season of experience when they are on full pay status for six or more regular season games.  Zeigler was active for the final 8 games of the regular season, so he officially has accrued a season.  Given that fact, and the fact that Arnaz Battle is in the final year of his contract, and of course the fact that he's probably maxed out his performance, I tend to think Zeigler gets the roster spot over him.

So I'll post this up top so people who don't read this will see it, but according to Mike Sando at ESPN.com, players need nine games on the active roster to burn their practice squad eligibility.  So that would mean Dominique Zeigler is in fact eligible for the practice squad in 2009.  Interesting.

But back to the point of this post.  Given all the receivers, how do you spread the receptions around?  I thought Isaac Bruce would be coming off the bench, but based on the above Maiocco/Barrows articles, it sounds like he may be starting initially.  Of course, Bruce and Brandon Jones both seem to play flanker (Z).  You gave Jones a nice little chunk of money so I can't imagine you want him coming off the bench all that much.  Do you move somebody to the slot ahead of Jason Hill?

The confusion of this post seems to run down to the receiving corp.  They say you can never have enough talented receivers, but if you're not running a Texas Tech spread-style offense, what do you do with all these young wide receivers?  For the poll, consider just overall statistical production.

Poll
Who will finish 2009 as the leading receiver statistically?
Isaac Bruce
473 votes
Brandon Jones
43 votes
Arnaz Battle
16 votes
Josh Morgan
467 votes
Jason Hill
69 votes
Michael Crabtree
759 votes
Dominique Zeigler
6 votes

1833 votes | Poll has closed

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What we should do

We have an extra first rounder next year and we have all this extra talent at reciever
so why not turn that into a trade for a good veteran that we need at a different posistion

by Italian King on Apr 29, 2009 8:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the links..

In this morning’s Golden Nuggz was Scotty Mc rationalizing the Panthers draft pick trade by realizing the Panthers are a Delhomme injury away from tanking next year. IE between the two number ones, and yes you’re right, the talent pool at WR… It would be great to add another Defensive leader to join Willis, Justin Smith and Co.

by bonbrillio on Apr 29, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d trade em Battle and Huard for either an OL or DL

I think I pulled my swagger muscle...

by BawLa on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about trading ..

http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com

by supraman on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way

look at that strength and balance

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

And I’m not being sarcastic, as Lou might have been. Then again, anyone who is a regular here probably already knows my position on Alex.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha yes I was being sarcastic

but seriously I do want to see Alex get a shot to prove himself this off season.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

even if he winds up as the backup, I feel for the guy between the injuries and the coaching changes.

by bonbrillio on Apr 29, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith

He has had plenty of time to develop now. He has a better o-line, better WRs and a better offensive style for him. He starts and tanks this year I think it will be the end of Smith starting

In Shaun Hill will trust

by iaalexeeff on Apr 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was worried after his disastrous first season, but I really think that bad luck has gotten the better of him. I’d like to see what he can do this year, and if he winds up being a solid backup then, ok he’s a solid backup, we’re good there…

by foosball4949 on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

totally 100% agree, this is his last shot, no excuses……..don’t tell me, show me

by sundaysfinest on Apr 29, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

forsure

i want him to be the main guy
but nate davis cmon step ur ass up so i can wear your jersey
Davis is our man (until shaun hill retires or wants out)

by big beaner on Apr 29, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone notice

he’s wearing what look like Raider pants in that pic

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think someone...

… pointed out last week that the 49ers were wearing Raiders gear for whatever reason during the offseason program (perhaps to hide the logos). I don’t know why they couldn’t have just used plain T’s and such. Maybe the NFL had a surplus of Raiders paraphernalia?

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you’re right, someone did do a fanshot pointing that out. Maybe they saved some money by just using the Raiders leftover stuff? As long as we don’t act like the Raiders i’m ok with it.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They weren't wearing Raider garb

That logo is like the NFL equipment logo, that from a distance looks like a Raiders logo. I’ll look for a better picture but I remember the post and then remember seeing an upclose shot of the logo on someone/something during/after/before the draft.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could make sense...

… too. I could see how a black version of this could be mistaken for a Raiders logo from far away.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could make sense?

Like the Niners wearing Radier shorts makes any?

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.

You know… Maybe the number of Raiders fans who actually buy their gear wasn’t as great as Reebok originally thought, so there was a surplus!

Yeah. It really didn’t make much sense, either.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes much more sense.

The more I look at it the more I can kind of tell that it is not a Raiders logo. The colors threw me off though.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

I wasnt really looking that close to that “AREA”. !! But in fact I think I see the “Satan Shield”! If that IS he RayDUH Emblem, does it have a Patch over BOTH EYES ?? Maybe this is a sign that Alice Davis wants to trade their first rounder next year for Alex because Russell is a total bust. At this point, Smith may have more upside !!

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c94ebec965.jpg[/img][/url]

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on May 1, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Morgan

Quickly becoming the most overrated 49er… he’s good, but he’s no Crabtree. I expect either Bruce or Crabtree to have the most receptions and yards. Bruce has chemistry with Hill and Crabtree will almost certainly be #2 on the depth chart at some point this season.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 29, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

I like Morgan (and even Hill), but it’s very doubtful either will start ahead of Crabtree or Bruce, at least not initially. Maybe Bruce bows out if his physical tools start to diminish.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Crabtree and Morgan both fitting best at the ‘X’ what’s the best way to get them on the field together. (not necessarily this year, but how exactly do Morgan, Hill, Jones and Crabtree fit together in the future? It seems to me that Morgan looks like the guy most likely to get squeezed out in the majority of the 3 receiver sets.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 29, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's see...

One is a 6th rounder, one is a 1st rounder (arguably 1st on the 49ers board)…

A lot of people are acting like Morgan had a DeSean Jackson kind of year and he didn’t. He’s a good complimentary receiver right now with some long-term potential, but it’s not a priority to find playing time for him. I think he’ll have his chance in camp and preseason to prove he’s better than Crabtree and Jones. With Bruce gone next year, we’ll be looking at Crabtree, Jones, and Morgan/Hill. If Morgan sits on the bench for a season, it won’t kill his long-term prospects.

Honestly, the Brandon Jones signing was terrible for this team. There was no reason to overpay for a WR when there was a lot of WR depth in this draft (regardless of the Crabtree signing) and we already had decent WR depth. Jones isn’t a #1 WR, so why was he acquired?

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't think he was terrible when we signed him

but I it’s definitely worse now. We clearly weren’t expecting to get Crabtree

by foosball4949 on Apr 29, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's see what Jones can do

He’s not the same type of receiver as either Morgan or Crabtree. He’s more of a flanker, like Bruce. The split end is a better fit for Crabtree and Morgan b/c they’re big dudes who can fight off the line of scrimmage. Hill and Ziegler/Battle can play the slot well. It looks to me like we carry 6 WRs, with each of the 3 WR spots having a starter and a backup, or at least 2 solid options. I don’t see what the problem is, other than we might have overpaid a little for Jones. He doesn’t seem duplicative with Crabtree or Morgan, though, as neither of those guys is a burner and apparently Jones is quite fast.

by Neon on Apr 29, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones is a very different type of receiver than the rest of young guys though. I don’t think it was a great move, but if we hadn’t drafted a receiver in the first 3 rounds (and at the time it wasn’t looking like one of our first 3 picks would be best used on a receiver) we’d be complaining again that we hadn’t done anything to improve the passing game. I’m not quite sure what your point it about Morgan being a 6th round pick while Crabtree is a 1st round guy. I wasn’t saying Morgan was better at all. I was just saying that those our probably our 2 WRs with the most upside but they have very similar styles so I’m not sure what the best way to get them on the field together would be.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 29, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

… it’s too important to get caught up in the X and Z (?) spots for WRs when you’re thinking about multi-sets. As it stands, I think Bruce/Hill have one side while Crabtree/Morgan will have the other side (I still don’t know where Jones fits, but I don’t hate him on the roster as many people do). If they go with three wide, they can go with Morgan if they need someone who needs to go over the middle or Hill if they want to stretch the field a little. In any case, when going three or even four wide, what WR “spot” they fit in best doesn’t really matter, in my eyes.

If you’re asking about putting Crabtree and Morgan in on the base offense, I think Crabtree will eventually take over Bruce’s spot, as I see Crabtree as Bruce with more athleticism and more YAC ability.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hill is a slot WR

Crabtree and Morgan will play the outside, hopefully, for the foreseeable future. This is really a non-issue.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Non-issue

agreed

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Apr 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This is the way that I would like too see it. I feel like Morgan and Hill should be ahead of Jones in terms of playing time.

Most receivers don’t break out til their third year in the league. This theory puts Hill at his break out year, Morgan at 1 year to go, and Jones at 2 years over over due…

 Morgan and Hill seem to have much greater potential for improvement.

by Sultan of Seitan on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan

Morgan has proven that he can play pro football. Crabtree hasn’t yet. We got a good WR corp his year

In Shaun Hill will trust

by iaalexeeff on Apr 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To start the year...

I think Bruce is a clear starter. We saw last year what he can do as far as route running and being able to find open spots in coverage. Opposite Bruce, I think it’s an open competition between everyone except Hill. Whoever proves in camp and preseason most worthy of the other receiver spot- then it’s his. I say everyone except Hill, because, as I recall, he was very effective (in limited action) in the slot. He seems to have the quickness and sure hands to develop nicely. Hey, if I’m wrong- throw him into the mix/ rotation with everyone else. Like said above- if a glut of receivers is a problem- it’s not a bad problem to have.

Side notes- imagine if we did bring in a guy like Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt as was floated out on the Nation. What would our draft have looked like then? Also, the more I hear about Bear Pascoe the more excited I get… I imagine he will be someone we talk about in the future.

by bonbrillio on Apr 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

don't forget..

Bruce was in his Martz offense, maybe with Raye calling plays this year he won’t be as good. I think Morgan is going to be a very good receiver for us and am rooting for Crabtree, Morgan and Hil to be the starters going into the season. I realize that Bruce is still a good receiver, I just wonder about hindering the development of the young guys, just to appease Issac. I’m rooting for Zeig over Battle too.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Point taken...

Hopefully, for the sake of not hindering the playing time of the other guys, Bruce’s production and effectiveness can come primarily in crunch time and the 4th qtrs of games. I dont think we need to appease Bruce either, he knows this is the last go-round (at least with us), and while his productivity may drop ‘cause he’s not with Martz- he still knows and does things the younger guys can’t.

by bonbrillio on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True that

Here’s hoping that Bruce will be a mentor to the young guys. I loved his production last year and if we’re winning games this year, then I don’t have a problem with any of the receiver sets. Maybe Gore and Coffee will run all over everyone!

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Word

I’m also looking forward to those two TE sets with Vernon and Bear tag-teaming defenses- blocking and receiving.

by bonbrillio on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is an exciting duel. Both Bear and Davis are good blockers and also receivers.

Reading about Bear, everyone says he loves to hit. He loves to go through people.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 29, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I loved the quote in the post about Bear that said: “As soon as he catches the ball he is upfield lloking for a defender to punish” I mean, does it get any better then that?

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This draft screams of Sing's wanting Fhysical players

All three TEs, Davis, Walker and Bear are physical
Gore and Coffee are hard runners
McKilliop, Willis and Spikes are hitters
And the right side of the OL with Rachal and Smith and also including the possibility of a very car/truck hitting Alex Boone.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I recall Bruce was indeed a mentor to both Morgan and Hill last year.

I also see him working with Crabtree, as it was in one of the interviews Crabtree had after the Draft. Basically, he is excited to be playing with someone as good as Bruce and hopes to learn alot from him
I see a mix of Bruce, Crabtree, Morgan and Hill depending on the down and formations. Kind of a mix and match. All of them will get their time as well as Bear and Davis.
One thing that exites me is that with our receiving corp and the running backs we have, it will be difficult for any defense. I also see alot of short to middle passes as well as a lot of running plays

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 29, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall...

… Bruce has flat out said “I’m not here to mentor anyone.” While I agree that Hill and Morgan have learned from Bruce, I think it’s been more by example than hands-on type “tutelage.”

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

I remember seeing something about that.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it had more to do with coming to SF to play not to "coach"

Meaning, Bruce didn’t sign a contract with the Niners to be the #3 WR, he came to play. I’ve never heard anything about Bruce being a poor teammate so I’ve got to think that he has in fact mentored some of the younger players even if only by example.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's probably it.

My memory is somewhat shaky most of the time.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cant put a price on that

Even if its not hands on mentoring, just his presence alone is valuable to the young guys…remember that Cris Carter mentored Randy Moss in MN and it was only after he retired that Moss went over the deep end…

With that said, I think that Battle should win out the final spot, because believe it or not hes gonna be entering his 7th or 8th season in the league, so he can teach these guys a thing or two, plus hes another wildcat option to throw out there.

by VD cant be Contained on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Having Bruce as a veteran presence will be invaluable. The other guys can learn a lot from him. He’s a true professional and an accomplished route runner. The guy is the definition of solid.

by Neon on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce is a professional WR

He’s not a system WR. He’d be able to produce in any system because he knows how to run routes. Bruce is kind of like a poor man’s Jerry Rice.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's easy for me to say, since it's not my money

but if BJ ends up being like the BJ we had last year. I’d rather cut him than Battle. Battle is a great blocker (I know BJ’s supposed to be good at that) and a decent return man and good special teamer. I don’t think this will happen. I think we’ll enter the year with Bruce, Jones and Crabtree in the 3-WR sets. I think Hill might be better, if less dynamic than Morgan, but he might not see a whole lot of PT. Too bad we didn’t have this last year with Martz’s 5 WR formations. We finally have, top to bottom, a good group of wideouts.

Zieg, I think you’re great, but I don’t see much hope for you this year, best of luck on another team (unless we play them)

by foosball4949 on Apr 29, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hindsight's 20/20

A lot of people here want to press the “reset” button on signing Brandon Jones, but you gotta remember at the time the other BJ was headed out of town, Bruce was still 50/50, Battle is an FA next year, the only receiver they thought would fall to them was Maclin and he doesnt meet the physical requireemnts of Sing and Scotty Mac, and the only receiver on the trade market was Boldin and its highly unlikely that the Cards would trade within division. Plus, Torry Holt wasnt released yet and I dont believe Harrison was either.

I agree that they overpaid a tad too much, but it was something they had to do to get him in the 1st day and to counter since it was appearent that TJ was gonna sign elsewhere. If we went into this draft with Bruce retired and only Morgan, Hill, Battle, and Ziegler under contract, we’d be in the same position at WR we were in 4 yrs ago.

by VD cant be Contained on Apr 29, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Voted for Bruce

But I could easily see it being Crabtree.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wordsworth...

Less thesaurus dude.

by Black59Razor on Apr 29, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who, me?

Response to me, or replying to somebody else’s comment?

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i meant on the blog itself. not your comment. sorry

by Black59Razor on Apr 29, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

blog

I’m the writer for a lot of the stuff here. I’m in law school which I think leads to the wordiness. For something like using accrued, those are the words in the NFL’s CBA. But I’ll try and avoid stuff like that when possible.

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eff that Fooch...

I dig the posts, and all the wordiness of them.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dig the loqacious verbiage, Fooch. Vocabulariousity (yeah, that’s not a word) is legitimate—even in the internet era.

In Singletary we trust.

by grantmp on Apr 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea Fooch

Your vernacular is off the hook!

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

erm

what was this post about again?

by Arkie49er on Apr 30, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eff words, grammar & spelling

Dum this chit down allready!!

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayons

Just write your posts with a crayon and everyone should be able to figure it out.

by illini49er on Apr 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

voted for morgan

because i have a man crush

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I did the same, probably for the same reason. I doubt it will come true, but I’d be pretty stoked to see Morgan become the man this year, while Crabtree develops.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Apr 29, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan

yeah, I’m not really sure I actually believe he will lead the team in receiving, but ever since that grab he made in St. Louis I have been man-crushing big time.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

same here.

that was the best catch i’ve seen in a while from a niner wr

49er faithful since July 11, 1985

by J2daZ on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how he came down with that ball I will never know

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

nice job by both guys

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of me..

is going to miss these uni’s. Although I’m a huge fan of the new ones.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

me too :(

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Apr 29, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad part for you is...

… not too many people are going to clamor for the team to throw on those “throwbacks” anytime soon.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rams DBs sucked last year...

… probably had something to do with it. How much could be up for debate.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rams

Rams also have like the worst secondary.

In Shaun Hill will trust

by iaalexeeff on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this was just before

I realized this kid could play. Strong hands and great body control, he is soooo much higher then any of them. I don’t think Hill would have caught it personally. It was underthrown and Morgan robbed everyone. Great pic.

by 49ersCAN on Apr 30, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

since Lloyd’s sideline catch?

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great catch!

I remember I didn’t get to see the catch live, unfortunately.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d8b246/Josh-Morgan-Highlight-WK-16-vs-Rams-2008
Just in case anyone hasn’t seen it.

by agchee on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me that Battle will be the odd man out

Last year he didn’t have much of a role in the offense, and with the addition of Crabtree, I think the only thing keeping Battle on the team is a (knock on wood) injury to one or more WRs. I think the WR depth chart will look something like: Bruce, Crabtree, Jones, Morgan, Hill, Ziegler. I don’t know how many WRs are usually kept on the team, but since Fooch said Ziegler is ineligible for the practice squad, he’ll probably either get the last spot or be cut.

The question, then, is would Battle bring back anything in a trade? Even a 2nd rounder in 2010 would be nice, but that may be stretching a little, no? I have a feeling he’ll be cut.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

… kind of the opposite. I think Battle will stay on the roster because he can help if injuries hurt the top WRs on the roster, while Ziegler will likely be still available in free agency if such a situation occurs.

As for Battle’s trade value, I doubt he’s worth a second rounder to any team, even the most WR starved teams. If the 49ers could get him for a fourth, I think they’d take it. However, I think they’d be lucky to get a 5th or 6th out of a player who is pretty much league average, doesn’t have blazing speed, and is in the last year of his contract.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zeigler

I think somebody would snatch him up. Again, not a big loss given the depth of the WRs, but I don’t think he’d be available in free agency.

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He proved a lot down the stretch last year. Good hands don’t stay unemployeed for too long

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw it

I had a nice post written up about how Morgan could excel with all the focus going to Crabtree, and the effect Bruce will have being the constant, grizzled veteran good for 40-50 catches, but I changed my mind.

Michael Crabtree – 70 catches, 900 yards, 10 TDs.

That’s my projection. Leading receiver, leading TD scorer, and leading fashion consultant. It’s early for numbers, but I wanted to get it out there now. It’s absurd of me to project such stats, but who cares? Crabtree on the 49ers wasn’t likely either, was it?

by Andrew Davidson on Apr 29, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have two bets

with Eagles fans (i’m from Philly) that Crabtree will have a better year then Maclin. One thing I can’t stand is Eagles fans who love McNabb and think he is the best QB in the world. One of my co-workers said McNabb is, without a doubt, a Top 5 QB in the NFL. I STRONGLY disagree. He (co-worker) is always throwing out regular season stats, saying McNabb has thrown for more yeards in the past ten years then all QB’s on the 9ers combined, my response is always: “Where has that gotten him?”

God I hate Eagles fans…. no offense to anyone on here who likes them.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If...

… Crabtree doesn’t out-perform Maclin, he either got hurt, or the 49ers have some SERIOUS problems on offense that probably center around the QB.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa

I wouldn’t take that bet. You couldn’t pick two offenses that are more polar opposite. Maclin should produce, if he can find the field, by default. Maclin could easily end up with 20% more targets than Crabtree which would make it difficult for Crabtree to outproduce him.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right.

I was just so anti-Maclin that I’m hoping he doesn’t give 49ers fans reason to doubt the pick in Crabtree. Of course, it’s kind of a dumb approach to it all.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is no reason

to doubt the Crab. never doubt Crab. never.

by Andrew Davidson on Apr 29, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why keep Zieglar?

Maybe I’m missing something but what do “we” like about him? He seems like a prototypical practice squad guy, meaning he’s not really that good. I know we can’t send him to the practice squad, but will we be any worse off for this? I don’t get why we should keep him.

by Neon on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

zeigler

Great hands….I could be wrong, but I see more upside than Battle. Battle is a solid enough receiver, but I don’t see much upside with him. He’s done a lot as a guy who switched from QB to WR, but I don’t see us getting much else out of him.

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential

Do you think he has enough upside that another team could sign him? He’s lived on the practice squad all these years without a nibble from other teams, hasn’t he?

Also, I believe that a 5th or 6th WR spot could be used on a player who is a decent WR (i.e. not a lot of upside) but is a solid ST player. I don’t know how good Ziegler is at returns and coverage, but I think Battle’s amongst the best the 49ers have, no?

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Battle

Was hurt for most of last year am I right? I don’t remember hearing much about him at all. I basically look at Battle as an older version of M-Rob. And there is no way I would let M-Rob go, I know he hasn’t done too much production wise, but he is one of my favorite players on the team regardless.

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one reason for keeping zeigler

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His Fro...

is def wicked. i think he stays

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll shed a tear...

when he gets cut. Hopefully the ‘fro won’t suffer the same fate.

In Singletary we trust.

by grantmp on Apr 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mess with the ’fro… You gotta go.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Apr 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else

Has already odered a Crabtree jersey?

by Smithisstilltheanswer on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was...

pretty close to grabbing one. But I think i’m gonna hold out and grab the official Willis Jersey. I’ve only got a few of the replica jersey’s, but the screenprints always get jacked up. I’m going official jersey’s from here on out. I may get a Crabtree jersey after his rookie year. He still has to prove himself.

That's what she said.

by MTNA2RC on Apr 29, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely getting an official Willis jersey

But also getting a replica Crabtree and replica Pascoe

by sundaysfinest on Apr 29, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all that CBA talk

makes me think someone wants to be an agent one day

by 49ersCAN on Apr 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

CBA talk

Actually, would be looking more for working for the league or the players association some day….After some investigating, the agent route is probably not the way I want to go.

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good question

I’d hire Fooch as my agent (if only to say “SHOW ME THE MONEY!”)

In Singletary we trust.

by grantmp on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Just wondering because I thought it would be cool to be an agent one day too.

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 29, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That whole “selling your soul to the devil” thing would kind of make me wary.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Apr 29, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fooch shows grantmp a nickel.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of why...

… I wouldn’t be an agent (and enter law, even) is because there would be too many points in your career where you have to decide between doing your job right or doing what’s right. Usually the good ones can look past “doing what’s right” on a somewhat regular basis, and I don’t think I’m able to do that.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

Us evil men could do it. ;-)

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 30, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agent

While there are other aspects to the job, a big chunk of it is sales. Selling the athlete to teams, selling the athlete to companies for endorsements. I did sales for a few years in professional sports (selling season and group tickets), and sales is just not my thing. I enjoy talking to people but sales just doesn’t do it for me. Of course, most everything in life involves some aspect of sales. I suppose I’d just like to minimize it maybe….

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being a lawyer...

… you have to sell someone on a decision/verdict/choice. You’re right about how most everything in life is some sort of sale.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sales vs arguing

You’re right that it is selling on a decision/verdict/choice. However, I think there’s a difference between that and cold-calling people and companies when I was selling season tickets. With the law, it’s usually something where I’ve been dealing with the opposing side for quite some time (whether it be negotiating a CBA or being in court). With cold-calling it’s a lot more difficult to establish that initial “relationship.” Of course, maybe that just means I’m lazy and want the relationships pre-established!

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Cold-calls have to be pretty hard on people who aren’t cut out for sales. I wouldn’t be able to do it, that’s for sure. Especially if you call someone who flat out hates solicitors.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agents are douchey

it’s true – it’s science :)

by Neon on Apr 29, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN

they said that there is a rumor that we might be making a play for boldin still

by gbears16 on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

link

it was in the rumors section

by gbears16 on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumor link

I checked it out and it’s like most of the rumors posted there: they take a free article (in this case, that Yahoo article about McCloughan) and try to spin it into more than it isn’t. So nothing to take from the “rumor” aside from that Yahoo article.

by Fooch on Apr 29, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott's comment

did seem like a “feeler”

by 49ersCAN on Apr 30, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

im sure the cards would trade them to us so tehy could see him 2 times a year. i imagine that the asking pric doubles if its for a division team

by remembering9ergods on Apr 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

we already have like 15 receivers. Boldin is awesome but it just doesn’t seem like a good use of money or draft picks at this point.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

i just thought id point it out

by gbears16 on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha don't kill the messenger

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never been a battle fan and really cant see him staying now. trade him,release him, something.

by remembering9ergods on Apr 29, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

What skills make someone a better fit as an X or Z receiver? How are the positions different?

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 29, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

McC explained this

An x plays on the line of scrimmage, and has to beat the CB’s jam, so he should be stronger and more fphysical (like TO, Jerry Rice, or Crabtree); the Z plays off, so needn’t be as strong (think Ziegler).

In Singletary we trust.

by grantmp on Apr 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z

But didn’t both Jerry and TO play the Z? I’m just going by memory with those two, but usually the guy plays the Z so he can be moved around more and get off the line easier.

My theory on why Crab would play teh Z is because they expect him to win a starting job over Morgan. So for his rookie year he’ll play next to Bruce instead of behind him, becaue he probably would not beat out Bruce at the Z. THen after Bruce retires Crabtree slides over to Z and Morgan becomes the starter along side him at X.

by briandean on Apr 29, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

typo

i meant…on why Crab would play the X in ’09….

by briandean on Apr 29, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

X vs Z

In most offenses, the X and Z receivers usually run different types of routes, and thus require different skill sets. Z receivers are usually (but not always) off the ball, and they also usually run more timing routes (digs, curls, comebacks, etc.) than X receivers, which is why you see more polished/possession-type receivers playing Z. X receivers usually run more downfield routes (posts/corners/fades) than Z receivers, which is why you usually see more athletic receivers in this role.

Here’s how I see the WRs going into camp…

X: Morgan, Crabtree
Y (slot): Jones, Hill
Z: Bruce, Zeigler/Battle

I see Morgan and Crabtree competing at X. Jones also naturally fits into the X mold, which I’m sure the 9ers had in mind when they signed him…but with the addition of Crabtree I think they’ll look at him elsewhere so he can earn that contract. Since I don’t really see Jones at Z…I think he might end up competing with Hill in the slot.

It’s pretty apparent that Bruce will be the starting Z going into camp (FYI…I do believe this is what Jerry played back in the day, but not TO), and Battle is more of a Z as well. I think if Zeigler beats out Battle for that 6th receiver spot (which I’m rooting for…big Zig fan here), I see him fitting in as a seldom-used backup to Bruce. Of course, one injury could shake up the whole picture.

Long-term…it’ll be interesting to see what they do. I love the thought of Crabtree/Morgan/Hill on the field together for years to come, I’m just not sure what they’ll decide to do at X. Crabtree would fare better at Z than Morgan at this point, as he’s a much more polished route-runner…but I also think Crabtree could be much more productive at X than Josh.

by Edge6 on Apr 30, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say give Ziegler his shot

bye bye Battle.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Apr 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Battle will not make the team!!!

Thank you!!! Thank you thank you!!!

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Apr 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Battle and Ziegler

Both of them could be gone. If everyone is healthy, they could both get cut/traded. The big thing is if you keep 6 WR, then usually one of the is a KR/PR. They could both play special teams, but if it comes down to keeping 6 WR or Keeping say, 5 RB. After Gore/Coffee/Norris….Michael Robinson and Kory Sheets, both have more upside on ST at this point than Battle/Ziegler.

Ziegler would probably make it over Battle, though. I could see Battle ending up with Nolan and the Broncos as a #4 WR.

by briandean on Apr 29, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd gladly take a 5th rounder from Denver...

… for Battle. I don’t see that happening, though.

by sfgfan on Apr 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take a 6th or 7th for Battle

I’d take 100 baseball bats for Battle

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Apr 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan and Hill

Morgan was pretty exciting last year. He was a real bright spot on offense. But he played in 12 games last year and had all of 20 catches.

Jason Hill, in his second year, had all of 30 catches.

As a point of reference, JJ Stokes had 38 catches in 12 games his rookie year.

In other words: as much as we’re excited about them, they really haven’t done squat yet. So I think maybe we should hold back the talk of how there aren’t going to be enough footballs to go around for all these guys. Hill and Morgan are still nothing more than promising young players with potential.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 29, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hill is my homeboy

I just hope he can survive the competition. He’s gotten hurt quite a bit in his first two seasons and I think we’ve entered a territory where an injury can put you on waivers (think Battle). While I would love Crabtree to get a starting spot, I don’t see it happening. At least not with the way things have gone at the 49ers. I see Bruce grandfathered (no pun) in at one spot, with Morgan and Jones battling for that other spot. Hill still in the slot. Crabtree will be at everyone’s heels except for Bruce’s. It really doesn’t matter who makes the team between Zeigler and Battle because neither are gonna see the field. Especially if this is more of a run-focused team (I hope).

Last year, we had the same issue on whether the team would carry 5 or 6 receivers and they elected to go with 5, putting Zeigler on the practice squad. With Martz’s offense out, the team will likely carry two fullbacks this year cutting down on the possibility of 6 receivers even more. It’s pretty much guaranteed that 5 is the magical number.

My hope is that Singletary finds the guys he wants in the mix early and sticks with them. Although if I had to choose, I’d say Battle because he’s put in great work for us and he’s definitely an athlete that doesn’t get enough respect. He’s played through quite a few shitty quarterbacks. I can’t hate him for that.

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by addisports on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i see it like this

1.bruce
2.crabtree
3.morgan
4.jones
5.hill

out.battle
out.zeigler

by 49ersAllTheWay on Apr 29, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dude, saw you posted at BoC and clicked your profile.

same exact teams as me. Angels, ducks, niners, lakers

That'll only happen if that one prospect is the second coming of Christ and redemption for mankind can only be achieved by smacking many balls out of the yard.
-The Limey

by anaheim angels on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Jones should only be up there because he just got signed.

In Shaun Hill will trust

by iaalexeeff on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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