2009 NFL Draft: When do you draft a QB?
by David Fucillo on Apr 4, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
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PrintI have to admit that the ability to schedule posts might be my favorite upgrade to SB Nation. My law school had a spring party and now I sit at home at 2am after a few cocktails watching Die Hard and discussing my 49ers. How much better can life get?
Given that we're rolling into the weekend, I thought I'd open up a little discussion on the QB position. I know we've been through the top portion of the draft, but let's look at QB as a whole. We could be talking about anything from Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman to Rhett Bomar and Tom Brandstater.
So who is your personal preference? Or maybe you think that the 49ers will just sit out on the QB sweepstakes. Although I realize that he might not be the best option, Tom Brandstater is a guy I feel could end up being the draft pick. Maybe it ends up being Nate Davis from Ball State.
If anything goes down, we'll be on it. Whatever the case may be, let's hear what you think about the 2009 NFL Draft class of QBs.
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its tough
I think the team can take a QB whenever desired (including next year’s draft)
If Sanchez is at 10, maybe take a long, hard look and certainly entertain trade offers. (especially if Andre Smith and Crabtree are gone)
I’d like to see John Parker Wilson or Stephen McGee later on in the draft at a value pick .(like Parker Wilson in round 6, or McGee in round 4)
I’m all for Shaun Hill in 2009 for a full slate of 16 games, but afterwards, who knows?
Ultimately, if Crabtree or A.Smith are gone, I want the 49ers to trade down and stock pile a couple extra picks. That way, we can take a leap on a QB if someone slides, and it won’t kill us to spend that pick on a QB that won’t be immediately starting.
I still don’t really see how Sanchez has become a long, hard look at number 10. He’s not a top-ten talent. He might not be a disaster of a pick. But I think the best thing about this year’s draft is that we’re actually in a position to NOT overdraft a late-first-round / early-second-round talent with a top-ten pick.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point
We don’t have to take a QB at 10.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Which isn’t to say you shouldn’t draft one if the right guy is there. If there was a better quarterback in this year’s draft, I’d be all for taking him at 10.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
taking a long look
might get us a trade partner. it would increase the value via trade to a team like the Jets. If team’s don’t fear that we’ll take Sanchez, we won’t be able to trade the pick.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 4, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Johnson Tampa QB from San Diego U out of Oakland Tech
Why not…
Tampa gets 1st rd #10
49ers get 1st rd #19
3rd rd #17
Josh Johnson QB
Draft Clay Matthews to take care of getting a freak of nature pass rusher and get a good athletic QB from the bay and watch him develop behind Shaun Hill.
Tampa can draft Sanchez/Freeman and a 3rd round pick should not be too much to get a QB if they consider him a franchise QB
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Apr 4, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
That is a very interesting proposal that honestly would have never occurred to me. I completely forgot Johnson was even in Tampa. A very intriguing proposition.
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I found this in ESPN
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/apr/01/qb-johnson-using-bucs-minicamp-make-his-case/
I just keep hearing that Tampa is moving up for a QB and he is their 4th QB, If we are looking at a mobile QB he ran a 4.53 last year at the combine and he is a larger man then Pat White. With that said Pat White is a special athlete just not sure if we would wait for him to learn to play like Jeff Garcia.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Apr 4, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with Dre
Take a look at Sanchez, look to trade the pick for teams in need of a QB.
Shaun Hill needs to take over now. I never said he’s the future of this franchise, but he’s not a stopgap. He’s a solid QB with the intangibles of winning.
If we were to get a QB in the draft (and we should), we should use at the very most, our fourth or one of our fifth rounders. This year’s draft for QBs falls after the first three.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
Trade down with DET at #10.
This is the trade scenario that makes the most sense to me – the 9ers trade their #10 to the Lions in exchange for their second 1st rounder at #20(from DAL) and their 2nd rounder at #33.
With the #20 pick we could pick up players like ILB Rey Maualuga, CB Vontae Davis(brothers on defense?), or CB/FS Sean Smith(a little high maybe). With the #33 pick the 9ers could take a pass rusher like M. Johnson, L. English, C. Sintim, or C. Barwin. That would leave the 9ers free to take NT Ron Brace at #43.
If this happens, the 9ers get a top CB, a top pass rusher, and the best NT prospect in the draft. I know I would be very, very happy if it worked out that way, and it very well could. Detroit needs and is looking for a franchise QB, and if either Sanchez or Stafford fall to #10, the 9ers should pull the trigger on this trade.
Mike Reilly in the 6th.
I hope everyone takes a look at Mike Reilly’s scouting report at NFL DraftScout and watches his highlight reel(just Google it).
He was the only QB Combine invite from a Division II school – Central Washington State, and managed to put up measureables that put him towards the top of the pack. What stands out here are his short-shuttle time of 4.11 and 3-cone time of 6.76 – these are measurements of a player’s reaction time, quickness, and ability to change directions and get up to speed. As a comparison, the respective times of some top CB prospects are; Jenkins(4.08,6.59), Vontae Davis(4.07,6.75), A. Smith(4.38,7.09), and S. Smith(4.15,6.92). Reilly, at 6-3, 214lb, has the reaction time, quickness, and change-of-direction ability of an elite CB! He could turn out to be one of the great scramblers of all time. His highlight reel has a play at the end where he takes off and runs it for a big gain – he looked fast, smooth, and natural. Take a look for yourselves
Now to the most important stat, accuracy. Over four years of playing, Reilly managed to complete 64% of his throws. He’s no one-year wonder. On top of that, he’s a smart QB(BSME) who gets through his progressions quickly and rarely throws into coverage – he will take the outlet pass every time. His TD-to-INT ratio is exceptional at 118:40. He has outstanding touch and accuracy on his passes and is able to easily drop it into a hole behind the LBs or put it precisely into a RB’s hands on an outlet throw. I haven’t seen any of his deep throws except the Shrine game, where he didn’t look that good because he sacrificed accuracy for depth on the long routes.
He has the intangibles, too, displaying an irrepressible urge to win and a determination to make it into the NFL. He came from the same HS as Jon Kitna in Kalispell, MT, and has had to fight for recognition. He made the team at the Washington State, but elected to change schools in his sophmore year so he could play.
The knocks on Reilly are that he hasn’t faced Division I competition except at the East-West Shrine game, he plays out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and that he doesn’t have the arm strength for the deep throws. Looking at his highlight reel, it shows one play where he takes a snap under center, takes a 3-step drop, and drops it into the corner of the end zone for a TD, so he does take snaps under center and I don’t think he will have a problem adjusting to a pro set from that standpoint. Can he make all the throws, including the deep ones? I think so, but he’s obviously more of a surgeon than a gunner.
The 9ers have already taken a look at him and the Seahawks have scouted him heavily, so teams are interested. Here is a cerebral, productive QB with outstanding athleticism, ideal size, and uncanny accuracy who dominates the field and has an irrepressible desire to win and succeed. There are some risks involved, as with any spread offense QB, but that risk comes at a very low cost in the 6th round and Reilly has the potential to become an outstanding franchise QB, or, at the very least, an outstanding backup. McCloughan says he’s a “mid-round” (3-5) talent, but I think he’ll still be there for the 9ers’ 5th round compensatory(#171) or their 6th rounder at #184. Check him out!
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I"m curious about something you said:
Looking at his highlight reel, it shows one play where he takes a snap under center, takes a 3-step drop, and drops it into the corner of the end zone for a TD, so he does take snaps under center and I don’t think he will have a problem adjusting to a pro set from that standpoint. Can he make all the throws, including the deep ones? I think so, but he’s obviously more of a surgeon than a gunner.
How come you don’t think he’ll have trouble transitioning under the center?
by David Fucillo on Apr 5, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Some spread QBs rarely take those snaps.
And probably fewer put them in their highlight reel. But the reason I think he won’t have a problem with the transition to a pro set is his quickness and good reading skills. The snap from under center was just nice to see because you wonder if some of these guys can do it at all. But he was smooth in his dropback, set up quickly, and the ball was gone in a flash. Reilly is just a great athlete, and I think playing for four years instead of just one or two has allowed him to develop as a QB more than some other prospects.
Anyone else still like Pat White?
I love the idea of getting this guy, maybe in the 3rd if he’s there, and seeing if he can play some QB and/or WR/RB. The guy’s a good passer, looks much better than most “mobile” QBs. Plus, if you find out that he’s better suited elsewhere, he could be valuable there. He could also play some special teams b/c he’s fast as hell. Can you imagine a Wildcat with him and Michael Robinson or Arnaz Battle, both former QBs? Could be pretty cool and would add another wrinkle to our running dynamic.
Check out these clips – pretty impressive. Look how easily he gets around the corner on a bootleg and picks up the first down. And, the 39-yard TD pass to the corner showing off his arm. He wasn’t Senior Bowl MVP for nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osffHfVIa10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YPDFmcp5Y
At 6-0, he's less than the ideal height.
Short QBs don’t usually make it in the NFL for the simple reason that they can’t see over the linemen to find their targets. It may not be fair, but it’s a fact. Doug Flutie is a great example of this – all the talent in the world and played well in Canada, but couldn’t make it in the NFL because he was just too short. I think coaches are looking for QBs who are at least 6-2, 6-3 these days. White might be better off going to Canada for a few years to prove himself and then try the NFL.
Nice
He has skills but I still like Josh Johnson plus he is from the bay, and did not play in a spread, he played in the west coast scheme and is comfortable under center.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Apr 4, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He's on another team
Is he someone we would trade for? I don’t see how he fits into the draft conversation given that he’s already on the Bucs. He looks good, though.
On my earlier post
I was saying on my earlier post that we should move back and do a trade with Tampa and get him as part of the package.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Apr 4, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That'd work
A lot of people have been talking about trying to move up and I agree that it would be a good idea. Get a few more good quality picks out of it.
I like Pat White
I actually think that Pat White is the 5th or 6th best QB in this draft, notwithstanding his “height challenge.” The odds say he won’t be franchise QB, but as the Culter sweepstakes show, those are rare animals to begin with. It’s not like we’d be spending the 10th pick on him, or even anything above our 3rd round pick. The question really shouldn’t be can he be a great NFL QB compared to other starters. It is more properly does he upgrade a team’s back up QB situation.
On the other hand, on most teams he’d be the “Wildcat” operator that they don’t already have. How much better than Michael Robinson would he be in a Singletary/Ray offense that would deploy that package 50 times (probably less) during the 16 game season? I’d rather he go to a team that would use his ability more than that.
by Odquest on Apr 4, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
Shaun Hill
We have not seen Shaun Hill for the full 16 games and see where he actually takes us. Let’s anoint him as the starting quarterback and bring in a quarterback from the draft and groom him.
At this point, I'm really hoping we don't draft a quarterback at all.
Really, everything we’ve done has put us in such a perfect position to draft a QB next year – so why waste a pick on someone that we know won’t play this season anyway? Shaun Hill is serviceable, Alex Smith’s got a chance to prove he can be something, and Damon Huard is about as solid of a #3 QB as you’re going to find in this league. Why not see what happens this year, and draft 2010 accordingly? The upcoming draft class is much deeper, anyway…and drafting a QB this year in rounds 3-6 would kind of tie our hands next season.
We’ve got needs. A franchise QB may be one of them, but I don’t think that’s something we’re going to find in the draft this April – so let’s not rush the issue. Let’s hold off, like we’ve allowed ourselves a wonderful opportunity to do.
Vote no on drafting a QB ’09, imo.
I don’t agree with what you’re saying about totally forgetting about the QB spot in this years draft. I think that it would be a great idea to draft a QB when you actually don’t need one during that season. Why throw a rookie QB into the fire, yeah it sometimes works out (matt ryan, joe flacco). I wouldn’t mind seeing the niners take a QB in the later rounds, i guess you just never know. The Pats had Bledsoe when Brady got drafted and look what happened…..like Fooch, i also like Brandstater, guess i’m being bias being from the valley because i also like Bear Pascoe, but they are both good players, I wouldn’t mind seing both here in San Francisco.
by sundaysfinest on Apr 4, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not about "totally forgetting the QB position"...
it’s about addressing the QB situation when there are better options, and we have a better idea of what we’ve got – and being able to do so because we’re well-equipped for the short-term.
Why draft a QB this year in the 5th round when you’re unlikely to get anything more than a third-string project, who will likely be a downgrade form any of the guys we’ve already got on the roster? Why not wait until next year – after Huard has served his purpose, Hill has a full season under his belt, and Alex Smith has had his last chance to prove himself?
The point is that the draft will very likely have other, more appealing options at positions that we have a much higher need for. Taking a QB in any round but the first or second (which would be a mistake, imo) would just be a wasted pick.
Tom
I love Tom as a quarterback, and a person (I’ve met him several times, and his family goes to my church), I must admit that he would need at least two full years grooming to be an effective QB in my eyes.
He almost seems like an Alex Smith to me, the word “potential” is thrown around for almost his whole Fresno State campaign. He has all the measureables, he’s big, can throw that long ball, and the short ball, and hes DANG tough. You should see some of the hits that he took at Fresno. Thats a definite upgrade from an Alex Smith in that respect. But Tom gets too many balls batted down by the D line, I’ve never seen so many batted down before, but in all fairness, he never had one true INT, they were all off of batted balls. But all this can be changed hopefully with proper coaching.
Point of this is, I would love to have Tom as a QB at SF, I think he’s going to be a steal in the later rounds. But if we draft a QB at all this year, I would hope it only be in the later rounds. I’m not a Nate Davis fan.
QB next year
The first round will be filled by Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and maybe Dan LeFevour.
The guys available in the 2nd-4th rounds in next year’s draft will be Tim Hiller (WMU), Zac Robinson (Ok St), and Max Hall (BYU). I like those guys better than this year’s group and we know Alex Smith will be on the roster next year as a backup option.
I’d take Pat White in the 3rd if he’s available, but otherwise there aren’t any guys who impress me before the 6th/7th round. At that point, I’d see no problem with taking a strong arm who can develop in the new offensive system.
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Alex Smith
The 49ers brass are not ready to call it quits on Alex Smith. His rookie campaign was a disaster, his sophomore… less so. The 2007 and 2008 years were marked by injury. From the perspective of the team, they’ve invested a lot in him and I don’t think they’re out of hope. Between Hill and him, I just don’t see the team drafting a QB at all.
at all?
not even in the later rounds?
not even a Stephen McGee or John Parker Wilson?
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 5, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
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