To QB...Or NOT to QB; that is the question.
by DarkkStarr1 on Apr 4, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
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PrintOK, last time I'm talkin as far as QB's are concerned. Yes, the Niners should DEFINTELY draft a QB this year. But at # 10, I don't think so. This year's draft is chock full of capable QB's, and feeling as if you're pressured to get one in the first round isn't worth the headaches.
Everyone is claiming how, if available, the Niners should pick between either Matthew Stafford, or Mark Sanchez. But let's take a closer, more pessimistic look at these guys. Stafford plays with a cannon for an arm and the moxie of Brett Favre....HOWEVER.......If you look at his body of work at Georgia, you see he was bailed out a lot by a heck of a power rushing attack. And a fairly good defense. So on him, I'll pass.
Now on to Sanchez. Yes, good California looks, bay area son, strong arm, and good system knowledge. But, therein lies the problem. Sanchez only played 1 year at USC, and it is fast becoming known as QB. U. Have we forgatten all of the QB's taken out of SC in the past 10 years? Palmer, Leinert, Booty,Cassell.....all good. But also ALL from SC. Could it possibly be that SC is simply a QB factory. Sorta like Georgia in the 80's with HB's? So I'm not sold on him either.
Truly, if the Niners should get another QB, maybe they can wait and see where N. Davis, J.Freeman, or even G. Harrell fall in the draft and build them up from the bottom instead of trying to quick fix the issue. Or, if you really wanna try to fix it, talk to the Cleveland Browns who have a huge headache at QB right now. You could probably get Derek Anderson for a song. Granted, Derek isn't Joe Montana, but then again, he ain't Damon Huard.
The issue lies in the luck of a few teams who have turned things around on offense by getting a QB early in the draft and they have played well. Yet, this is all really a crap shoot. No one expected Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan to excel as well as they have in their seasons last year, but the REAL meat lies in CONSISTANCY. Can they do it again?
Truth be told, the Niners have already tried to buy the farm by getting a QB in the first round. and look what it got us. Besides, with QB being so full and the other teams in the NFL already stocked.....I see no rush in getting one that early. Let's fill a few more pressing needs first. Such as: Corner, Safety, Wide Receiver, O Line, and D Line before we worry about another signal caller. Who knows what established QB might become the next "Jay Cutler", and want out of his present surroundings. (Please Donovan...... give the "left coast" a chance.) In the end, I think with a gaggle of new coaches,, new thought processes, and a new regime, we should all back off the DefCon4 button, and take good stock of where we really are.
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This would have been an awesome comment to Fooch’s main page post.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
Thanks
Maybe I can talk Fooch into giving me some of his journalism contacts!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Graham Harrell
cannot take a snap from under center, he is going to need a long time to learn in the NFL. His passes also didn’t look crisp, and it looks like he’s just another TT QB with no future. Atleast he had a heck of an NCAA career though.
True...however
So did Vince Young and a slew of other QB’s who have come into the league. That’s why most teams have a QB coach who works with them to improve mechanics, get rid of old habits and tutor them into the players they can be. As far as “crisp” passes, one of the greatest QB’s in history, Johnny U. threw more wounded ducks than a Chaney hunt. Yet, the ball got there where it needed to be. On time and in stride. It can be done.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Johnny U
also played in a different NFL. Would he be as successful today? Who knows.
I loved Graham Harrell at Tech, I really did (I’m a big time Red Raider fan), but I can’t think of any TT QB that has done anything at the NFL level. In particular, not one from the Leach system anyway. Billy Joe Tolliver might be the most significant QB from Tech to play in the NFL, but he didn’t do squat.
Harrell is going to need a lot of coaching, just remain in the league as a third stringer. I don’t think he’ll ever have value as a starter, but I hope I’m wrong.
by Andrew Davidson on Apr 5, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Vince Young is still a bad quarterback, though.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
here look at this
Pick Year
1 3 08 Ryan Good Bust Super Bowl Winners
2 16 08 Flacco Good 46.5% 9.3 %
3 1 07 Russell Project
4 22 07 Quinn Project
5 3 06 Young Project
6 10 06 Leinart Project
7 11 06 Cutler Pro Powl
8 1 05 Smith Project
9 24 05 Rogers Project
10 25 05 Cample Bust
11 1 04 Manning Pro Bowl Supper Bowl winner
12 4 04 Rivers Pro Bowl
13 11 04 Roethlisberger Pro Bowl Supper Bowl winner 2
14 22 04 Losman Bust
15 1 03 Palmer Pro Bowl
16 7 03 Leftwich Bust
17 19 03 Boller Bust
18 22 03 Grossman Bust
19 1 02 Carr Bust
20 3 02 Harrington Bust
21 32 02 Ramsey Bust
22 1 01 Vick Pro Bowl
23 18 00 Pennington Pro Bowl
24 1 99 Couch Bust
25 2 99 Mc Nabb Pro Bowl Supper Bowl looser
26 3 99 Smith Bust
27 11 99 Culpepper Pro Bowl
28 12 99 Mc Nown Bust
29 1 98 Manning Pro Bowl Supper Bowl winner
30 2 98 Leaf Bust
31 26 97 Druckemiller Bust
32 3 95 Mc Nair Pro Bowl Super Bowl losser
33 5 95 Collins Pro Bowl Super Bowl losser
34 3 94 Shuter Bust
35 6 94 Dilfer Pro Bowl Supper Bowl winner
36 1 93 Bledsoe Pro Bowl
37 2 93 Miner Bust
38 6 92 Klingler Bust
39 25 92 Maddox Pro Bowl
40 16 91 Mc Gwire Bust
41 24 91 Marinovich Bust
42 1 90 George Bust
43 7 90 Ware Bust
I think we don’t need a QB Taken in the first found. There is the list of the first round QBs taken in the last 19 years. The only safe picks where the Manning brothers and Roethlisberger. I like the two QBs taken last year, both of them got their teams in to the playoffs. Well you decided if you want to waste our pick on Sanchez. I personally think Niners should go after OT, DE, DT but if we can get B Wells along with Frank Gore the 49ers would be unstoppable out two punch.
Wow....Thanx for the leg work!
I expected a few comments to my column, but you went the extra ten miles in giving me a run down on all the guys I spoke of! As we in the Mil. say…." BRAVO ZULU!" Yet, this only backs my earlier claim. Among the LONG list of busts, you have also given a few guys who are PROJECTS. That’s why i don’t believe that we need a Sanchez OR a Stafford. We can do just as well with a guy that comes in a later round, at a cheaper price, and coach him to where we need him to be. It might not be for a couple years. But, that’s what the Vets are for. You talk as if you have a lil age to you, remember when teams really drafted guys for the future? That can happen here instead of throwing these kids to the wolves. Thanks for the response.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
P.S.
I agree, getting another HB would do wonders for the O. ALLA, TN Titans ‘08-’09. Just remember they had a DECENT QB who MANAGED the vertical game to keep defenses honest.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I'm getting hungry
I guess it was all those references to the Supper Bowl…
Seriously, that’s a very interesting list. Thanks.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
Well writen
Well thought out, nuff said
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
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Had Colt McCoy, or Sam Bradford decided to come out I don’t think we’d even be having this debate on whether or not to take Sanchez at #10. I do like Stafford, but even if he doesn’t go #1 he won’t make it to the Niners at #10. Trade down and get some better value picks if there isn’t a player available that the organization absolutely covets.
by fuller over bryant on Apr 5, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions
Handicapping this year's QB's
I’ll be interesting to see which of the products of this year’s draft end up on the bust list, since 3 QB’s are likely going in round 1.
If I had to handicap it, I think I’d put the list like this, descending in bust likelihood
Freeman (most likely to bust)
Stafford
Sanchez (least)
Sanchez doesn’t have the tools the other two have; both of the other guys have rocket arms, and Freeman has great size. But an underrated tool is footwork. This is why these three actually make a good comparison; all three come out of pro-style offenses. Steve Young said that he could watch a game tape from a camera focused solely on his feet and easily figure out how good a game he had. When you watch Sanchez drop back, it’s always consistent, and I think that does a lot for his accuracy, and his ability to make the most of the arm strength he does have. And I’ll take a QB that’s accurate and has arm strength better than Shaun Hill/Chad Pennington over one that’s got the cannon arm but no accuracy any day of the week.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
Freeman isn't even a good QB
Really, the guy was awful in college. Just goes to show how there are no other good QB prospects past Stafford and Sanchez. If they don’t spend the 1st pick on one these two than please don’t waist a pick on another one of these scrubs . . . and that’s being nice. I’m sorry, this isn’t the typical class where QB’s are believed to be too small of the NFL. This a crop of QB’s where even the college ranks questioned their ability to throw the ball under center.
Freeman
The logic with him is that he was playing on a crappy team, so his best football is ahead of him. I’m not buying it either.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
NFL comparisons
Freeman – Flacco…Manages games well, very strong arm, and has deseptive speed.
Stafford – Cutler…Takes risks, throws the ball with tremendous velocity, deseptive speed.
Sanchez – Romo…Good arm strength, good accuracy, happy feet, productive when inserted onto an Elite team
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Best Case
I like those comparisons, supraman, though it bears noting that they’re all best case scenarios for these guys. It’s more than likely that 2 of the 3 aren’t going to pan out (though we don’t know which is the charmed one yet). Does your description of Sanchez (happy feet, productive when) indicate that you think him the most risky of the 3?
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
What's the rush?
With Hill and Smith , why rush into a QB. Next Year may produce more choices. You got a couple of years with Hill and maybe more with Smith. Don’t discount Hill to soon. Right now, I see a OT or two, OLB, DB and WR. Theses are the positions needing to be fill. And If you do grab one, it’s no sooner than the 4/5 Rd. Unless it’s Sanchez! Then I would jump! But I doubt that he ‘ll be there. And you don’t need to have a rocket arm to be a franchise QB. I’ll take Smarts over Brawn every day. USC is a Breeding ground for QB’s, Carroll Name him the Starter way before the Season started . And he’s certainly is smarter than us!
we have 3 qbs on the roster, no need to spend a first day or even any pick on a qb
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
Are you high?
The old NFL addage goes: “If you have 3 QB’s, you don’t have 1!” Hill is a journeyman who scares no one, Smith’s confidence is shot…..and whoever thought bringing in Damon Huard was a good idea, needs to be drug out into the middle of the street and beaten severly about the head and shoulders with a large blunt object! ’Nuff Said.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Huard
Nobody thinks Huard will compete for a starting job. People need to realize this. Singletary said the competition was between Hill and Smith, not between Hill, Smith and Huard. So even he is acknowledging this.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad the mocks have us picking Sanchez
It maintains our interest in a qb throughout the league and will end up driving up the potential bidding war b/t the Jets, Broncos, and whoever else for that #10 pick. My hope is that we pick up another 1st day pick from DEN and grab an OLB at 12 with the pick. Let’s take a flier on a 2nd day QB to replace Huard, and if Harrell or another big name goes undrafted we should be the 1st team to call his agent.
Let’s just make this the year of the Shaun Hill experiment. Let’s see if his small sample size can translate into Cutler-type numbers over a 16 game season. Let’s give him a full mini camp and training camp as QB1, playing with the 1st team and not having to worry about losing his job to a big money top 10 draft pick. With our offense, all we need is a game manager, sometihng Shaun has proven that he is capable of being. If he succeeds, then we can keep taking late rd/undrafted qbs and have the law of averages lead us to uncovering Shaun’s heir apparent. If he fails, then we’ll likely draft in the same spot next season and will have Bradford, McCoy, and whoever else emerges this season in college football.
Point is, I’d rather give the 7-3 record as a starter and the guy who revived this team in the 2nd half of 2008 a shot then push him back in favor of an unproven high risk high reward rookie and wonder “what if.”
by VD cant be Contained on Apr 6, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Dont count out Graham Harrell in the late rounds, and for whoever said he doesn’t throw a crisp ball, did you see any of his games. He throws bulletts, he is accurate, he has good footwork, and anyone can be taught to work under center. I agree that TT produces system QB’s but i honestly dont think Harrell fits in that category. He is a good QB and should do well in the NFL. Look at those who were told would amount to nothing; Brady, Garcia, our own Shaun Hill. Aside from Hill the other two have had pretty amazing careers.
Harrell a System QB?
If he doesn’t fit the mold, why was the consensus at both the Senior Bowl and the Scouting Combine that he does not look NFL-promising let alone NFL-ready? It’s easy to put up passing numbers when your offense throws the ball 50+ times a game (and that’s not an exaggeration—they topped the nation in pass attempts per game).
http://www.thespread.com/index.php?option=com_statfeed&page=cfb/offstats&sortby=patt&div=&season=2008&teamid=
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
TT has be training groung for QBs.
Since 2000, the QBs have constantly throwing yardage and TDs. Harrell seems to be the best of the lot. He may not throw that 60 yd pass, but He’s very good in all aspects of that position. If I remember correctly, He threw early 16,000 yds and 164 TDs and a starter for 3 years Eyes,feet and good throwing motion.Comes from a football family. Had Crabtree as well. 4/5 rd pick, replaces Huard! So take Crabtree and get Harrell if you want.
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