Who do we anoint as the starting quarterback for the 49ers?
by JohnLewis09 on Apr 4, 2009 7:21 PM PDT
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PrintShaun Hill!
Hill has proved he can win games, but he still needs to go through a 16-game NFL season to prove his worth. We have a good player in Alex Smith, being a former no.1 draft pick, who still needs to prove he can compete with the best of NFL quarterbacks, to back up, and possibly win the starting job down the road in the 2009 NFL season.
We need to draft a quarterback who has raw potential but has not reached the fullness of it due to being drafted lower or to playing for a small school, and for that draftee be groomed by the veterans. That would become more like a true rebuilding process than catching and dropping hot potatoes.
I understand that Hill is not a glamorous quarterback who can do more than manage a game, but he has won here in San Francisco. Period. Give this guy a chance, and if he blows it, he is off the charts..and the roster. Or relegated to the bench.
There has been a lot of talk of quarterbacks since Smith was drafted, which is getting a little weary because we do not have a true superstar quarterback. It's been blue collar stuff all the way. Will new Offensive Coordinator (OC) Jimmy Raye change things and jettison the offense to a higher level of play?
The answer is possibly, because he offers a continuation of an offense that we have not seen in the past 4 years, seeing the revolving door to the Offensive Coordinator's office spin so fast. I have to show restraint in praising Raye's hiring, because of all the heaping of praises to the latest OCs.
I have a prediction to make, so please remember me, JohnLewis09, when it comes true. If both Hill and Smith doesn't pan out, the 49ers will take drastic action. They will sign a top-rated free agent quarterback, they will offer BIG dollars for one. The Niners brass will give it a couple of years, then throw in the towel and be much more selective on their next starting quarterback, by showing prospects the "moolah." They won't just give the next prospect a helicopter ride over the Golden Gate bridge, but add huge incentive clauses to a guaranteed contract totalling millions of dollars, that even the highest paid quarterback in the NFL would drool over and privately bang his head over.
Showwwwww themmmmm the moneyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
It pays off.
Note: Smith was paid a lot only because he was the no. 1 draft pick. The next highly paid prospect will be an experienced quarterback who's earned his stripes.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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And the $60,000 answer is.....
You are correct! Shawn has proven to this point that he is simply the better QB. Chad Pennington’s career has shown you don’t need a cannon for an arm to succeed. But, therein lies the problem. Hill will never be anything MORE than a manager. That’s what the Niners need right now. I’m sorry, I believe there is simply too many hurt feelings for Smith to hang around. All the talent in the world won’t help him get over his hurt time in the Bay. He doesn’t want to be a back up and the Niners can’t afford for his ego to mature enough to be a starter. I say keep Hill as a stop gap. Jettison Smith. And Draft a QB for the future. If not this year, maybe next; when Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow are available.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Somebody has to say it!
Somebody has to say it! . . . Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl. . . .Don’t believe that? Put him on a team like the Patriots and see what could happen. They have a great system, Randy Moss, a deep OLine, and other great offensive weapons. They’re always right there in the hunt. When they don’t have multiple injuries to star players at the end of the season they always seem to have a shot, even last year. Do you really think Cassel is all that much better than Hill? I DON’T.
Let’s make sure we have a great system and great players on both sides of the ball before we start picking another 1st round QB. Cutler on the 49ers last year would have lost too many games, just like he did in Denver. Warner would not have gotten us to the Super Bowl last year. Neither would have Fitzgerald. Neither would have both of them combined! But that’s my point! We have HUGE holes to fill. We need young studs at pass rush and OL (still), plus a good young CB — and yes a second RB, which I agree with. Safety comes to mind as well since we may or may not have the answer there. And I’m still not sold we have the answer in the middle of the defensive line.
So ok, let’s take Raji. or Everett Brown, if either are there. And a good young OLineman or CB or RB in round 2.
If we get better elsewhere, I think Shaun Hill is going to surprise a lot of people . In the right system and with an O-Line that can and will play better in that system he can shine. Cassel did. So can Hill.
Round 1: Everett Brown if he’s there. He might be!. Wouldn’t it be nice? Or Raji?
Round 2: Don’t just focus on a tackle. There are some great young guards in the draft too. What if Duke Robinson was there at 2? We could eventually move Rachel to right tackle as he gets better, maybe in 2010. . . .Or what if Shon Greene was still hanging around at 2 for our second RB? That’s the type of draft I’d like to see the 49ers have.
+1
but raji no, everette brown, maybin, or orakpo.
by onexmanxshow49 on Apr 5, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Hill with Moss?
Hill’s only major flaw is a lack of arm strength. Hill throwing deep to Moss would be ugly.
Good gravy...
Seriously, I’m getting disappointed in the quality going on here. Do we really need this many fanposts on who should be the starting QB for the Niners?
Are we drafting a QB in the first round?
Perhaps Matt Stafford?
Maybe we should get Mark Sanchez!
Shaun Hill vs. Alex Smith!
No Cutler?
A late plea for Cutler!
And those are only the more recent ones. Lookit… We get it. The Niners QB position is a hot topic, and everyone has an opinion they want to share. But seriously, do we really need this many fanposts whose basic message is, “We don’t know what the Niners QB position is going to shape up to be, here’s my opinion. What’s yours?”
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 5, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The big thing for me is…. Fooch had a main page post on this that’s still visible on the front page. Which kind of makes it feel like this:
Fooch: “Ah, story posted! Let the discussion begin!”
Some member: “I’ve just skimmed Fooch’s post, and I have a very important opinion on this issue. But I want to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that everybody knows it! Suck it, thread that’s already about the thing I want to talk about! I’m making my own!”
Which kind of sucks.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Basically
we won’t leave the Niners brass alone until a star quarterback surfaces. We are all sick of this vicious cycle, JRPhillips. This may be the only tactic that works. It may not work for you but if it starts to prick at the 49ers management, it might work.
Which kinds of sucks.
Oy...
Look, I don’t mean to pick on you particularly. But these posts are already written, so keeping the discussion relevant and streamlined (i.e. can find everyone’s argument in one place instead of multiple threads), it’s better for everyone.
But if you honestly think that posts here are going to convince McCloughan to draft Mark Sanchez or draft Matthew Stafford or name Alex Smith the starter or name Shaun Hill the starter or sign Kurt Warner or trade for Jay Cutler or… It’s not gonna happen.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 5, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides
I am not in audition for a writing job here. If someone shows me the money then I will dig for some quality writings. This is not an audition for quality. Challenge me to come up with a worthy piece and give me a reason why to, too.
Site pride?
Because we want the best 49ers site possible?
by David Fucillo on Apr 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He didn’t say it wasn’t a worthy piece. He said that the redundancy in FanPosts is hurting the quality of the site in his eyes. It’s fairly easy to see that there are multiple threads open already – including a front page post from our main site writer – where you could appropriately voice an opinion. I don’t have a problem with a redundant Fanpost that somebody put effort into, and it appears to me that you put some effort into this one. But hopefully you understand well enough that redundancy itself can be tiresome to not take it too personally when somebody expresses being tired by it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think anybody meant to pick on you. I didn’t, and JR says above that he didn’t. I can speak for myself, and i think I can speak for JR, when I say that we were simply commenting on the current trend on this site that finds multiple people posting different threads on the same subject.
If you really feel picked on, though, you should know that I deleted a FanPost today that was about Shaun Hill and Mark Sanchez because it was redundant. If anybody has a right to feel picked on, it should be the member who posted that FanPost. I did explain my actions to him, though, and I hope that he is not offended. But I would call a post deletion a stronger action than a couple of negative comments. We’re just trying to keep the site relatively streamlined to make it easier for everybody to navigate and participate. It’s not personal.
I’m sorry if you feel offended. No personal offense was meant from anybody, I hope.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Challenge issued:
If you want me to come up with a better piece, give me a title and a story lead, and I will come up with my best effort in supporting this site. I keep getting picked on (remarkably, especially the fact I’m deaf). I am willing to compromise and come up with a better fanpost.
What are you talking about? We’re not picking on you. And I don’t understand what your deafness has to do with this. Please re-read my comments. No personal offense has been meant at any time.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clarification:
The reason I am being rightfully defensive is because this is not the first time I have been criticized in this blog, a 49er blog, my favorite team. The reason I refer to my deafness is because ironically I keep getting blunt comments, which makes me wonder. I had a different screen name in this blog and if you want, I can pull all the other comments that criticizes me, this is not an isolated situation, there has been a string of them. Naturally so, I am weary of being targeted. I’d be happy to put together all the comments, and when you see them, you will see the pattern.
To be honest, coming out of the deaf world into the hearing world, I didn’t expect so many sharks circling the waters. As for JR Phillips rule of thumb on creating fanposts that are revelant, unique, or interesting, I see a lot of fanposts here that I don’t even read because they are not well written. But I don’t see the criticism there, probably because they were very brief posts, or because they get away with it because they are the fans that are make-up of this blog, or they write straight to the point, or whatever it is.
I am not trying to cry “I am deaf, why you’re all picking on me.” I just want to caution people because I feel there is a pattern of criticism, and I am wondering aloud why I am frequently targeted. I am a writer, and all the pieces I have formally written about in the past were more carefully written, with the articles built around quotes, that is where I am at my best. I am like an actor who does better with script than improvising, or the other way around, a better actor who improvises better than working with a script, whatever it is, if you get the picture. I am not paranoid, either. I just don’t want to be naive for all the pickings.
I implemented this style of writing because I’m actually propagandizing, giving pep talks in building support for Coach Sing and the players we have on the roster. I wasn’t really into doing fanposts to make it interesting, but rather give some kind of chorus of support behind the Niners organization.
I do understand here if I am to continue writing fanposts that I need to both give a better script and improvise some more to the satisfaction of keeping this site the best 49er blog.
As Jon Stewart said to Jim Cramer… This song ain’t about you. My comment wasn’t directed specifically at you. And for proof that you’re not alone, read over the comments on this post. The dude from Spaceballs got criticized by me and others for creating another fanpost that echoes the exact same post he’d created here, while creating a new fanpost that could have been a part of the Official Jay Cutler Trade Block thread.
Do what you want to do. In the end, you really only need to answer to yourself and maybe the moderators. Just recognize that the plethora of fanposts discussing someone’s opinion as to what the 49ers should do regarding their QB situation is just going to draw more criticism. Again – apparently I can’t state this enough – you’re not the only person I’m directing this comment towards. Personally speaking, I’ve not been criticizing you, I’ve been criticizing the notion of more redundant fanposts. Not you. Redundant fanposts.
Finally, if you’re the Artist Formerly Known as 16to80Touchdown (can’t remember the exact name), I’ve often enjoyed your posts and comments, even if I haven’t read them all. So buck up, man. =)
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Hey J-lewis 09..
..the bottom line, is.. JR, Howie, Fooch despise Shuan Hill becuase they are so attracted to Alex Smith.
Thre are a couple others, who might agree with you, besides me Rishi, supraman (?)
But, regardless, you just ain;t gonna get away, with a “Shaun Hill is god” fasnpost, here, they like Steve Young more than Montana..lol if yhat makes any sense to you, about how the people that have power on this site, think.
Trust me, they done the same to me. Not much you can do, becuase they run this site, like you mentioned.
Just know there are people like me here that are 100% behind you. Follow there silly guidlelines.
And stick around, eventually, there will be a new Shaun Hill fan for them to pick on.
And after the team goes to the playoff this year, becuase of Shaun, maybe they will change their mind, doubtful, though, considering, they would take, Young over Montana.
Montana came back to the bay, and whooped Steve Youngs ass!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
despise Shaun Hill?
Way to put words in my mouth.
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Or...
… JRP’s and HTS’s. Neither person has EVER said they despised Shaun Hill. If I’m not mistaken, JRP’s actually in the same boat as me: Shaun Hill is a solid QB that can probably manage this team, but unless he shows more, he’s far from being the QBotF.
The Qbotf?
..Well have to see about that, and you are only making my case better.
Funny, one person comes to defend this guy, and a whole rally, of Alex Smith lovers, comes attacking, just admit it,!
You guys don;t like Shaun, Despise may have neen too strong of a word. But they way you go around ganging up and attacking people.. which you have also done, to other Shaun Hill fans, YOU DESEVERE IT!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHAUN HILL
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
it's not about hating Shaun Hill
It’s about this……6 different fanposts about the exact same thing! That’s why they make a comment section for these things, you know so you can go in and comment on it and have a discussion in 1 place instead of having to click and go to 6 different posts to hear everyone’s opinion. I haven’t read anyone of these posts and I don’t plan on it because THEY ARE ALL ABOUT THE SAME THING.
Good gravy…
Seriously, I’m getting disappointed in the quality going on here. Do we really need this many fanposts on who should be the starting QB for the Niners?
Are we drafting a QB in the first round?
Perhaps Matt Stafford?
Maybe we should get Mark Sanchez!
Shaun Hill vs. Alex Smith!
No Cutler?
A late plea for Cutler!
And those are only the more recent ones. Lookit… We get it. The Niners QB position is a hot topic, and everyone has an opinion they want to share. But seriously, do we really need this many fanposts whose basic message is, "We don’t know what the Niners QB position is going to shape up to be, here’s my opinion. What’s yours?"
I’m thinking but nothing’s happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Oh.
I know it’s not about hating Shaun Hill. But I just feel it’s wrong to put words in people’s “mouths,” so I thought I’d say something.
I didn't put words in anyones mouths..
..they have all said the same thing subliminally for months now. Are you seriously going to ignore the elephant in the living room???
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh really?
How about digging up those exact words, that they despise Hill? Or better yet, how about finding the comments where they even say they disliked Hill?
All they’ve EVER said is that he probably isn’t the QB of the future, which is a VERY valid concern about a QB who’s bounced around so many different teams and is getting up there in age.
And I thought..
..I was the one that didn;t make sense!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry sfgfan, my comment about it not being about Hill was in response to Josh G
not you.
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
I know..
..the topic, seems to have changed here on this thread. Besides didn’t Fooch already make the “Josh G” Corollary?
Instead of picking on this guy, Fooch should have sent him a nice message and deleted his post.
But he didn’t. Which is why, I spouted off in the first place. I don’t care what anybody says..
Part of what I am saying is right.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
dude Josh G I have been all for Shaun Hill since the beginning of the season last year
so your argument that everyone is just out to get him because we are all Shaun Hill haters is idiotic.
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
and I challenge you to go find 1
comment on this site made by me that states otherwise
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
I never said anything about you comments
ever!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
noo you didnt me mention me specifically
but you implied that the reason people were speaking out against this post are because they are Hill-Haters. Well I agree with JR and Howtheyscored that this post, while well written and intelligent is unnecessary because there are already 6 posts saying pretty much the same thing. Not because we don’t want Hill to be the starter. I just want that to be clear
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
I agree
That after the Josh G Corollary, was put in place, this argument should not even be taking place.
I only implied 3, and maybe more, but only implied 3, based solely on experience.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't bringing you into this.
I mentioned 3 names.
Fooch
JR
Howie
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
So I pose to you the same...
… task: find their comments that say anything remotely close to “despise” or “hate”. You’re trying to discredit the more tenured people on the site, so the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you’re just making up stuff to try to strengthen your argument.
I don't have to..
It’s obvious in the way they write? I don’t have the time to dig up, a “Shaun has a noodle arm” statement.
Like I said maybe Despise was too strong of a word, but after attacking, someone other than myself, for the same thing, there is a pattern developing here. I am sorry if you just can’t see it.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
obvious?
I did a quick search and found my discussions with Maiocco from February. Not declaring a man-crush on Hill, but certainly stating that I think he can be the starter. Please tell me how this is dislike for Shaun Hill:
1. Who on the roster has the best chance of being the starting QB heading into week 1 of the regular season?
I’ll stick with Shaun Hill for the foreseeable future. Smith has always been a better practice player, but the situation has changed from a year ago. Heading into camp last season, Hill had a very small body of work with which to compare. Although 9 more games isn’t a dramatic addition, it’s still three times as many games as he’d played in for his career. This should lead to a bit more benefit of the doubt.
2. Can Shaun Hill overcome his practice woes in the Jimmy Raye offense?
If the offense is not dependent on big plays, I don’t see why Hill can’t improve his practice performances. Often times a power running game is complimented with a shorter passing game. Hill throws a very ugly deep ball but seems to make the under 20 yard passes with relative efficiency. While we know that Singletary and Raye want a power running game, we still don’t know what that means for the passing attack. If it’s the shorter game that I think it will be, I see no reason why Hill can’t excel in practice and on game day. Consider me an optimist in that regard.
Seeing as the burden of proof is on you, feel free to rebut.
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fooch
It is so obvious to me, you are an army brat. Whay don’t you search you inner feelings. Who did you really want to win the qb job when I first started posting on NN. Just be Honest, man. and quit tryin to change the subject, with some contrdictory comment you made. Why don;t you try to find somethin un-positive you have written about shaun, like his noodle arm.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Again...
… your logic is terrible. Lets say someone DOES hold out hope that Smith can be a starting QB. That makes them despise/hate Hill, how?
Again..
Maybe despise was too strong of a word.
again..
To many posters ganging up on a noob, solicites reactions from other people
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Proof
I’ll leave you with this. You have yet to actually point to something I’ve written on this site that is impliedly negative. When I’ve said he’s a bad practice player, that’s actually from what the beat writers have said and what Shaun Hill has said. I did a search for noodle arm and found nothing by me.
Again, you make accusations, but you don’t back them up with a single link to a comment or post of mine.
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Fooch
I don’t need a link. I’m honest with myself!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I've got one!
On the Where do you stand? thread, the question was asked:
Would you like it if Alex Smith started the season opener, with a healthy Hill on the bench?
To which, I answered:
He’d have to really outplay Hill in the preseason to really deserve the shot, opening the season. If it’s a close competition, the nod should go to Hill.
I guess you’re right, Josh… I’m not fully on the Shaun Hill bandwagon. I think he’ll do just fine as the starter and can put up good-to-solid numbers, but I refuse to put him on the same level as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees. In the pantheon of Niners QBs, I won’t put him near the level of Montana or Young. I think THAT bandwagon, Josh is the sole member.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Montana..
I would even put Brady on that bandwagon!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You’d put Brady on the Montana bandwagon?
I’m saying I wouldn’t put Hill on the same level as Montana or Young.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
No..
I messed up.. I meant I would not.. sorry I was answering, 15 comments at once.
But to be clear. I think Joe Montana was the best ever, no one else has even come close, no one.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, this is the worst site decoruming argument I’ve ever seen in my life. Please tell me where on this THREAD the three of us “attacked” Johnny for saying Shaun Hill should be the starter.
MAN, you aren’t even reading the comments, are you? You’re just creating total straw man arguments to try and validate your user name.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Apr 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not refering to this thread only..
..I’m going off my experience of several threads, which is VERY clear in my initial statement to Johnlewis-09.
Check it!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha! You’re funny!
I like how you’re all, “You guys hate Shaun Hill! Read the comments!” And yet you refuse to actually look it up to prove it. But the BEST part is when someone provides you with proof they didn’t say what you’re pretending they said, you’re all like, “Well you’re dumb!” You’re a VERY funny individual. I like you!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
When
You guys start Showing Shaun some love, I’ll change my mind, untill then I will go off my gut feeling, that you are really just trying to save face on a poster board, where I am trying to get poeple to stick around, after they are feeling like they’ve been attacked.
You are not funny, just very very sad!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you feel attacked...
… but JRP and HTS have already said (even before you started commenting, I believe) that they weren’t attacking him.
With that said, I don’t think the site had any problems retaining posters before you decided you can take on the task. The number of active users has grown pretty dramatically over the last few years.
He said..
He felt attacked. I believed him.
Maybe he was crying wolf I dunno?
But thank you on reassuring me that, more and more poeple come here everyday. Let’s just hope they don;t make any exrevagant Shaun Hill fan posts.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the part where HTS and I both repeatedly told John we weren’t trying to single him out or attack him or anything would have been a reasonably good indicator that we were trying to single him out or attack him, and were in fact trying to avoid running him off… But what do I know, I apparently hate Shaun Hill.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
No
You hate noob’s making redundant Shaun Hill posts. Sorry if I said otherwise, but that was what I meant.
And regardless, it’s all fooch’s fault.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
He named a corollary after me, and he won;t even use it!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude Lou
I wasn’t saying everyone. I certainely never mentioned you. I understand if you have some feelings on this topic. But I’m not even arguing, I’m making a statement saying thoses 3, don’t like extrvagant posts about Shaun Hill, if you still disagree with me, than you need to do the research yourself.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
ok my mistake, you didn't mention me specifically, i apologize
but comments like these
considering, they would take, Young over Montana.
Trust me, they done the same to me. Not much you can do, becuase they run this site, like you mentioned.
sort of make it seem like you are calling out a group of people here. my mistake. After re-reading I see that you are saying “they” speaking of Fooch, HTS etc. I still disagree with your comments though.
Fooch has been nothing but professional since I have been a member here, (almost 2 years now) and I can’t recall one time hearing him say or even imply that he despised Shaun Hill. I have also never seen him delete a fanpost or fanshot or talk bad about someone because it goes against what he doesn’t like. So I agree with sfgan, the burden of proof is on you.
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Like I said..
Oh..lol I’ve had my fanposts deleted so there buddy!
Maybe despise was to strong of a word. and maybe, I was just tryiong to make the guy feeli better, after he was run off.
BUT I will say again..
THE JOSH G COROLLARY, Should have been used, and that is Fooch’s fault, if he is infact a real professional.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
FanPost deletion
Here’s what I said about that:
Your question: what?
No more "Shaun Hill-is-god" fan posts..
..I’m devastated
My answer: They’re allowed, but a) it needs to include at least a little analysis and b) it probably shouldn’t go up if there’s an existing QB thread already nearby. Consider it the Josh G corollary.
I didn’t delete your FanPosts because I disagreed with you. I deleted them because you posted a bunch in a row that filled up the FanPost column. As I said in my email to you:
Quick comment. I appreciate your involvement at the site but I think it’d be better if you space out your FanPosts a little more. When you roll out a bunch in the course of 24 hours, it knocks some recent ones off the front page and unlike a message board it’s not so easy to find FanPosts once they disappear. I don’t want to discourage your involvement, but just wanna keep things running smoothly on the site. Let me know if that doesn’t make sense.
Any questions?
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So why didn't..
..You send out a nice message to JL-09, before all this started.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
because...
the point was made here by the time I got to reading it.
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
was..
This before or after, you made a comment?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So everytime..
Someone makes that point in a redundant fanpost, that makes it ok not to use the Josh G Corollary?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
FanPosts
I haven’t figured out how best to clean things up.
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Fooch.. you are
..only solidifying my case.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
How is...
… putting words in people’s mouth solidifying your case?
LOL!
Ahhhh, Josh… You’re a winner in MY book.
Dude, I’m on the Shaun Hill bandwagon, and have been solidly there since last season ended. I don’t think he’s a great QB, but I think he’s the best short term option available, and firmly believe he should be the starting QB for the 49ers in 2009.
Additionally, I do not run this site. I’m not a moderator, an editor, or anything else, I just simply post on here because I enjoy the site. I’ve also always believed that Montana is the best QB in NFL history, and that has never made me hate Steve Young or think anything less of him.
So way to post complete garbage and incorrect statements, while defending someone by making completely irrelevant arguments. Way to be a total douche.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
ok..
JR.. I am sorry, but I do Not belive you have been on the Shaun Hill bandwagon!
(btw I spell it with 2 words, becuase I’m a musician, and usually off the wagon)
JR.. I am sorry, but I do Not belive you have been on the Shaun Hill bandwagon!
(btw I spell it with 2 words, becuase I’m a musician, and usually off the wagon)While you may think he is the starter, you certainely do not speak highly of the guy, until just now. I’ve read most of your comments..
JR.. I am sorry, but I do Not belive you have been on the Shaun Hill bandwagon!
(btw I spell it with 2 words, becuase I’m a musician, and usually off the wagon)While you may think he is the starter, you certainely do not speak highly of the guy, until just now. I’ve read most of your comments..I don’t ever remeber you say anything, other than Short term, capable, best guy we got, certainely, no “Shaun Hill will take us to the superbowl, or should be in the pro bowl, statements..”
Now your saying different, to save face..That is a being real douche bag!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
So you're the one with the mess up logic?
Just because people don’t say “SHAUN HILL IS GOING TO TAKE US TO THE SUPERBOWL!”, they hate Shaun Hill?
Nope, I don’t think he’ll take the Niners to the Super Bowl. Doesn’t mean I don’t like him as a QB. You’re making awful arguments.
Now please dig up one comment where I said anything other than this.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Your logic is off-topic..
..this is about people making Shaun Hill posts, not weather or not people dislike Shaun Hill.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If the topics...
… of all these redundant fanposts were about Alex Smith vs Sanchez, I think the response would have been exactly the same.
It just seems you just have a bone to pick with anyone who doesn’t feel that Shaun Hill is a QB who can take the 49ers to a Super Bowl.
No.
I have a bone to pick, with the posters, that like to gang up, on one fanposter, especially when they are new, and I agree with what they are saying.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So you agree we need 20 posts whose points are “Here’s what I think we should do about the Niners QB situation, what do you think?” Because that’s what I pointed out in the first place.
And if you actually bothered to read any of the posts from HTS or myself, you’d notice that both of us were trying to reassure John that we’re not attacking him. But you didn’t read the comments, did you?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Must continue...
I also want to let you know that the fanposts that are poorly written are often badly ridiculed by many many people. Trust me, you’re not the only person on this website that gets criticized or “picked on.” Do me a favor and click the link to the Late Plea for Cutler in my post above. It’s a fanpost someone wrote saying the Niners should get Jay Cutler. The pot was created after Cutler was already traded to Chicago. Read the comments and enjoy the notion that nobody has actually singled you out.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Poorly written?
..Like you’re Shakespear..give me a break.
If a fanpost is poorly writtien, then why do you even post to it?
..Obviously, becuase you have another agenda.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
A new fanposter
Decides to write something about Shaun Hill. You don;t like, so you write something negative. Then another person like you does the same. Untill that person is feeling attacked. and obviously this guy was feeling attacked. I am laughing that me making a satsement about you, howie and fooch, liking Alex Smith more than Shaun Hill, had to be taken so seriously. I obvoilsy was trying to lighten things up for the guy, but you continue to prove, the posters on here, like to attack newcomers, that post about Shaun Hill too much, rahter than using the new Josh G Corollary..lol
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
funny
that someone would post after Cutler already has been traded? What time zone does that fanpost writer live in? that’s a new one to me
Here’s my general rule of thumb… I don’t create a fanpost unless I have a topic in mind that’s relevant, unique, or at least interesting. To date, I have created a grand total of 1 fanpost on NinersNation.
My point is, don’t feel the need to create fanposts to feel included. And again, I didn’t intend to single you out, it’s just that your post was the one I was on when I decided to post the sentiment about repeating fanposts. (If I may take a minute here to be a smartass) If we had only one fanpost regarding the Niners QB situation, I could have posted it there and berated everyone at once. =) Of course, then I’d only be berating one person and the punch of my post would have been lessened severely, so… You know… I have no idea how to end this paragraph…
Regarding your being deaf, I don’t know why you’d think that any of us would have already known that. We’re on the interwebz, on a site where typing rules the day. All any of us do on here is read what we all have to say. So long as you can type and read, you’re on even ground with everyone else on here.
Also, to help streamline the conversation strings… If you want to reply to someone in particular, click the +reply link under that person’s post. It makes the dialog easier to follow.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Extending an Olive Branch to Fooch and Corps..
First of all, thanks for supporting me and supporting Fooch, also. The reason I post in this site is because this is a good and informative, engaging blog. This is one of the more unique and more 49er centered blogs I have seen, to the point that the classy SF 49er organization recognizing this as one of best 49er blog site.
Let’s all of us extend olive branches to one another. It is true we exercise our freedom of speech expressing sentiments to one another in a thread, in or out of thread.
Citing from this experience, I am just challenged to come up with better fanposts and to come up with different story leads rather than being or becoming redundant. Being a writer, I understood that. I just felt, that even if people wrote multiple fanposts over the same QB controversies highlighted, that I wanted to put in my own version.
I apologize for saying that some fanposts were poorly written. I think I was taking a shot back, as I don’t take criticism well. But the old saying is, “If we take criticism in a constructive way, we will heap praises.”
As Fooch wanted to protect the integrity of his site, after all he is one of the founders of this site. As one of the fanpost writers, I wanted to protect my own integrity, too. But a point was made, that his site was becomign redundant in regards to fanposting.
Lets all of us move on and continue creating fanposts, redundant or not, at least the point has been made that certain fanposts introduced the redundancy that actually cuts away from the quality that Fooch desires to maintain as a top 49er blog.
I also aplogize for anybody, including Fooch, if they were exposed or made to look like the bad guys. I do not regret speaking my mind, and really appreciate the support that went both ways, towards me, towards Fooch, or towards other contributors of this blog and the fanpost feature.
I also want to emphasize, that being deaf doesn’t separate me from the rest of the bloggers, I did have the need to wonder out loud at times because it does take quite a few comments for me to see the full picture and how things work in a blog, not allowing things to mutate into multiple threads over one topic.
Since the San Francisco organization is one of the classiest NFL organizations, and that this blog is the most popular 49er blog, the world is watching us whether we realize it or not. Established writers, news agencies, even the Niner organization itself all are observing our blogs. Let’s move on and unite as fans, the squawking over Shaun Hill who wasn’t even drafted no. 1 or Alex Smith, a former no. 1 draft pick aren’t worth a dime.
I still take Joe Montana over Hill or Smith, and by a mile. Nobody has measured up to Montana or Steve Young since their retirement. Much ado over my fanposts, I am going to leave the Hill/Smith to our maker, as the man upstairs is in complete control and determines who does well and who stinks.
I'm glad...
… that you understand that no one was actually attacking you, the person. I hope nothing that has come out of the misunderstanding(s) above have deterred you from posting your thoughts in the future.
I hope that you also understand (which it seems like you do) that Fooch (and others) don’t like the multiple fan post just because it’s redundant per se, but it also creates many branches of arguments that parallel each other. As a result, people have to repeat their thoughts and points in multiple areas when the discussion would be a lot stronger and more useful if all those thoughts were put into one thread.
Again, I hope you stick around, as I’m sure that many people here would like to read your thoughts in the future.
Thanks
Agreed that it’s worth moving on.
I always want people to feel free to express their opinion and participate in the discussion on the site. I actually think if we can avoid too many redundant FanPosts, we can focus the conversation better and thus have an improved dialogue.
I agree with sfgfan in what he said about how it creates many branches of arguments. The key to writing a new FanPost is bringing a new angle to a subject. I think that’s one difference between this site and a traditional message board.
We’ve had a big increase in traffic and so there are a lot of new people who aren’t as used to how things operate here. A good place to check out for further reference would be this post from a month ago (for anybody reading this).
by David Fucillo on Apr 6, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Aww..
I think I’m gonna cry now.. anyone have any vinegar to pack these olives in..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions
When did this discussion happen?
here’s my take on it
1.Who cares if an argument is redundant?
Every FanPost is unique in its own way, just because of the writer. If you think it’s seriously effecting the site somehow, for example a Great FanPost is being bumped downward .. then Rec the FanPost if you want to last.
2.Alex Smith jockeys;
- Anyone who still believes in A.Smith. Who I assume were the ones applauding when Smith was selected.
Josh G(if I can speak for him) Believes if you do not trust Hill over Smith entirely, then you’re not on his Bandwagon.
Things like Alex Smith has potenial, is QBOTF, had Hostler as OC, had 3 different OC, was hurt, and is still young irks us Shaun Hill jockeys.
3.Fooch and Corps is real.
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
Just a quick note.
The argument/discussion was never about being on the bandwagon or not. It started off as a couple of people mentioning that this fanpost would be better served as a comment in one of the already existing discussions about the 49ers starting QB situation. Redundant thoughts are always going to exist, but the whole point of keeping them in one thread is so that the argument is self contained and it’s not spread over 135426762 places so that people have to repeat themselves 426572414 times for the reasons for OR against the comment. It’s not about who’s FanPost is on top or who’s face is at the front of the page. It’s about producing a more succinct set of discussions, instead of 10364214 branches of the same discussion.
That aside, the argument still never progressed, really, to being on the Shaun Hill bandwagon or not. Words were put into people’s mouths in an attempt to make an argument stronger, which is wrong. While a lot of people don’t believe Hill is the QB of the future, a lot of people do believe he can lead the 49ers to victories right now (myself included). Just because people like Alex Smith and believe he still possibly has a future, it doesn’t mean people hate Hill, and that’s where the argument ended up going to.
In any case, what’s done is done.
I think whats been done..
Has at least opened a few eyes, whether or not, it’s going to make a difference, we’ll have to see. Sure you can say I put words in peoples mouths, but why would I do that?
Do you think I wake up in the morning, to tell everyone what they are suppoesed to say?
Granted, I did make a strong assumption, in a even stronger statement, which may have gone to far(and you can say I put words in their mouths) But after all the arguing I’ve done with, those mentioned, it really is beyond me, how thery could come full circle over Shaun Hill, in one day?
Also.. naming a corollarly after me and not using it, in the EXACT situation it was created for, while involving someone else, with the same opinion as me, is also going to far. It shows a serious bias on this board, which is very unprofessional. You can say “oh I never said that.”, or you said this.., but the gang-up factor, has been used on me and now someone besides me, with basically the same opinion. It is very obvious to me, that any Alex Smith fan, that sees my post, sees my moniker, it has to irk them (Fooch in particular). Because, like it or not this poster board has a small reflection on the 49ers orginaztion. Maybe it’s just me maybe I’m the only one with a corollary, maybe I’m the only one who gets their fanposts deleted, for redundancy, but that shows even more bias. Whats done is done, alrighty.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
No matter how you slice it...
… you straight up said that the three of them have said at some point that they despised Hill. Not until someone told you the burden of proof was on you to prove they would even say anything remotely close to what you claimed would you finally back off and say “maybe it was a little too harsh.”
You seem to like that that corollary was named after you, but I’m sorry to say, you’re the only one whose posts have been deleted. Sometimes, it’s not as simple as deleting a post. In this situation, there were at least three posts with similar thoughts. Maybe Fooch was trying to find a way to merge the posts together so that the thoughts are in one succinct argument, instead of just completely wiping out the thoughts of some new posters.
Your corollary wasn’t only because you wrote posts with similar topics, YOU BY YOURSELF put them up. These past few redundant posts were done by different people. So there IS a difference in the situation.
I agree with you..
..on the Corollary thing, I even told Fooch, I was Honered, when I was intially blessed with this merit.
..except the whole proof nonsense. you must realize, I didn’t just form an opinion over night. Trying to dig up info on a fanpost that was deleted, is a joke anyway?
I’m basing my reaction solely on my experience at NN, since the begining of the year.
I have argued with them previously, many times, on different threads, about Shaun Hill. And the only reason I said it may have been too harsh, was becuase it was taken so seriously, my whole point was to stand up for what I believe, not to hurt anyone. When I realized, my comment was taken more seriously then I had intended, I was making it clear, that I may have, been to harsh.
But when the same people, are the only ones, trying to prove a point, it’s meaningless.
I mean look at all the fanposts, on this thread, it’s basically just me arguing with 4 other guys, not the entire NN? Read between the lines, and you will see the truth, no matter how much you want to be right.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pretty easy to...
… make it a multiple person to one “battle” when you point out multiple people you want to do “battle” with. There are PLENTY of Hill backers on the site, and you seem to be the only one who doesn’t understand that it’s okay that people don’t feel that Hill isn’t the next Montana or Young that’ll take the 49ers to the Super Bowl. Heck, aside from you and supraman, another 100% Hill backer is Rishi (if I’m not mistaken), and he seems to get along with everyone just fine.
It almost seems like you want it all to be black and white, yes or no. You either love Hill or you hate him. You either love Smith or you hate him. Discussions RARELY ever fall into that kind of a clean divide There are a lot of people who like Hill, but also feel that he may not be cut out to lead the team beyond maybe a playoff berth. There are people who like Smith, but feel that he’s a longshot to make anything of his career. There is a LOT of gray area when talking about players and football in general, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
As for you standing up for what you believe, there is NOTHING wrong with that. But there are PLENTY of methods to prove your point that don’t require saying “so and so despises Shaun Hill” without any kind of proof. If I recall, people have even asked you to supply ANYTHING that remotely resembles them “despising” or “hating” Hill. If it’s as “obvious” as you make it out to be, finding said quotes should be pretty easy.
Clearing things up on my point and Shaun Hill..
1. My point is not about Shaun at all. he just hapens to be part of the subject matter.
2. My point is the same poeple, tend to gang-up, on certain (not all) noobies, and it has happened more than once, on a Shaun Hill, Jockeys post.
3. I do not think Shaun Hill is god. I just think it’s his turn limitations and all.,
I just want to see him go all the way throughtraining camp with the first teamers, build a real repore with them, and get us to the playoffs, without any bs getting in the way.
4. If Shaun Hill does GET his chance, and fails, I WILL admit I was wrong, You have my word.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill
I actually do like Hill, but as a somewhat realistic, I recognize some of his limitations. You refuse to accept this, which is perfectly fine. As far as looking info up, that’s why we have a powerful search engine.
And you’re not the only person who’s had their FanPosts deleted.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
correction
“as somewhat of a realist” not “as a somewhat realist.”
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Powerful search engine?
Can I find my deleted fanposts, there too?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
no
Deleted FanPosts and comments are not viewable anymore.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
we could call it..
Fooch-Gate!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to continue this because I’ve been one of the people singled out by you. That’s not about ganging up on you, it’s about defending myself.
Josh, the question you should be asking isn’t, “Why were my fanposts deleted?” The question you should be asking is, “Were any of my deleted fanposts REALLY good enough to NOT get deleted?”
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Not worth attacking
Even if you have a problem with what Josh G said about you, it’s not worth going after him on this, whether you believe it’s true or not.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
oh and btw..
..I believe you Fooch, I think you are coming around about Shaun Hill, especially when you found out he and Alex were friends, besides whats not to like he’s a winner, but I seriously believe, when I started posting about Shaun Hill, you were very frimly behind Alex, and not at all towards Hill, and I also believe, at first, my moniker bothered you very much.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You're incorrect
I’m clearly not as big a Shaun Hill fan as you, but I’ve enjoyed him going back to when he showed his stuff in 2007. Again, not sold on him as the next Joe Montana, but short term I think he’s a solid answer. In fact, if you search through past front page posts you’ll see somewhere where I suggest they should go with draft a QB this year, start Hill for the next 2 years, and then transition to the new guy.
In fact, here’s another post I found via the search engine. I’m not wildly behind Hill but I recognize solid stuff. Not super positive but not even remotely negative.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said you..
..were a big Shaun Hill fan, I said you were “Coming around”.. since everybody wants to be so specific. and get over bringing up your old comments, when all the goodies have already been deleted.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
old comments?
Old comments are the proof for or against your case. Something you elect to not do.
Are you saying I deleted any negative comments I’ve made about Shaun Hill? That’s amusing.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No..
I’m saying the One single place I would look for comments that you posted, being in any way, negative towards, me or Shaun, has already been deleted, you need to be more specific, around here, now.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i give up
If I only recently started coming around, wouldn’t that mean that more than one place would have negative (or negatively implying) comments? Or am I wrong?
This conversation is making me feel like this:
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fooch I'm saying this..
When I first got here, you wanted Alex Smith to be the starter, and you did not like my over-excitement about Shaun Hill, especially my moniker. That is it, nothing more nothing less, if you deny it, that is up to you, but I’m trusting my gut, and it says, you’re talking through your teeth.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
again i ask for proof
and you ignore me. So unless you provide proof I’m not responding in this thread anymore.
Check the email I sent when I deleted one of your FanPosts for the reasoning I gave.
by David Fucillo on Apr 7, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
you deleted my fanpost
How can I prove anything, comment/post-wise if you’ve deleted it.
HOWEVER!
..not delelting this one, after asigning a corollary, for that particular reason, while you and your poster thugs, gang up on someone else, in the same situation.. that is all the PROOF I will ever need.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want to say Josh G
all your posts/comments going forward will no longer hold any credibilty with me as I find your comments and arguments completely asinine and lacking any real proof of anything.
Keep up the good work Fooch, I think you are doing/have done a helluva job on this site.
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
Oh ..ok
I’ll remember to write that down somewhere, so I don’t forget it..
Lou
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Lou specifics rules are,
1v1
There’s no need to pat fooch on the back if you think he’s losing the agrument
and
There’s no need to kick Josh G while he’s down if you think he’s losing the argument.
-
It’s just going to bubble down to reasonable doubt.
Did Fooch or did Fooch not destroy evidence?
No one knows.
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
This is Fooch's Email from FOOCH-GATE
Quick comment. I appreciate your involvement at the site but I think it’d be better if you space out your FanPosts a little more. When you roll out a bunch in the course of 24 hours, it knocks some recent ones off the front page and unlike a message board it’s not so easy to find FanPosts once they disappear. I don’t want to discourage your involvement, but just wanna keep things running smoothly on the site. Let me know if that doesn’t make sense.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
and you wanna know what..
I even deleted my own fanpost becuse it had to do with Raidsers fans, Michael Vick, and Dog violence. The reason I deleted my own post was because I did not want, to hurt Fooch’s progress with this site, by having a very hard topic to talk about, in the current running, yes I am an animal lover too..
I’d be happy to show you that email too.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you even reading what you write?
First of all, you’ve called out Fooch for hating Hill. You’ve said it’s OBVIOUS and practically rampant that the feelings have been there. Fooch’s comments on those posts, if of any significance, are of little issue if what you’re saying is still true. IF the feelings Fooch has shown in the past is as obvious as you make it sound, there should be some other comments made by Fooch somewhere saying or reflecting pretty much the same thing.
It’s really not that difficult to search. Type in what you want to search for on the main page, and check the results. It would probably take you a lot less time for you to do that than to continue to argue a completely proofless/baseless argument. You’ll either find a quote that incriminates Fooch, or your feelings were wrong and you’ll stop arguing.
Sure you can say I put words in peoples mouths
BECAUSE YOU DID! You DID put words in people’s mouths! You DID this! It is a FACT. You MADE UP what you want to believe people think, and said that’s what we think. That’s called putting words in people’s mouths. YOU DID IT!!! You did not state FACT, you stated WHAT YOU THINK we think. News flash, genius: Just because you THINK something, that doesn’t make it TRUE. Do you understand the difference?
but why would I do that?
I don’t know, Josh… Why DID you put words in our mouths? I’m going to guess because you’re certifiably crazy. And no, I’m not joking. I seriously think you have mental issues now.
Do you think I wake up in the morning, to tell everyone what they are suppoesed to say?
I’m guessing yes you do. BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU DID!!!
Granted, I did make a strong assumption
And assuming makes a what out of whom?
how thery could come full circle over Shaun Hill, in one day?
Perhaps because we ALREADY LIKE SHAUN HILL? Dude, you’re ridiculous!
but the gang-up factor, has been used on me and now someone besides me, with basically the same opinion.
How the living hell can we convince you that this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHAUN HILL??? And how can we convince you this wasn’t an attack on John Lewis? I’ve told you to actually read the comments and you’d notice it has nothing to do with Hill, but apparently you can’t be bothered to do that, can you? We asked you to look up statements anyone made in the past to support WHAT YOU THINK, but you couldn’t be bothered to do that either, could you? And to top off your moutain of crazy, when presented with evidence contrary to the stupidity you’re spewing forth, you disregarded it, like some kind of stupid ostrich defense! So what can we do to convince you that a) this discussion had nothing to do with Shaun Hill, and b) this discussion had zero to do with you?
Dude, if you’re really all butt hurt about people “ganging up on you,” I think the evidence is pretty plentiful by now that the reason might be because you’re straight up bonkers, my man! Make up enough stuff, and pull the garbage you’ve pulled on here, and you’re basically asking for everyone to universally dislike you.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
The only thing PAINFULLY obvious..
..is that the same people keep ganging up.. and I am sorry.. that you think I have mental issues. But that is your opinion. Like I told Lou, I’ll write it down so I don’t forget it..
Junior
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Strangely, there’s more evidence to support you being crazy than there is to support that Fooch, HTS, or I hate/dislike/have no faith in Shaun Hill. How do you account for that?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Being crazy?
Run for the first down without your helmet is crazy, all I am doing is luaging at the fact, that you think me, posting on a poster board, no matter what, I say is crazy. it might not make sense, but there is nothng scary about it, I’m not worried about the 4 horseman of th NN.. Junior
I used to race freestyle motocross, now that was crazy.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 7, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
LOUD NOISES!!!!
I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Where do you guys..
..get all these pictures, of nerds doing wacky stuff?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Simple enough. The internet rules.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
When I google it..
What do I type in.. geek pictures?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Woh Josh come on
I’m not taking sides here, why so aggresive? I know you have felt picked on here, but honestly I couldn’t care less about this discussion. I just wanted to drop an Anchorman quote in the discussion that has gotten WAY too serious.
And I googled Brick Tamland.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
whoa biggie
can’t you take a joke, thats how this whole discussion started.. I am not butt hurt, at all, this is all very entertaining for me. I definitely was trying to take it to alighter side with you, not be aggressive in any way, you really didn;t think that was funny?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry bout dat
I assumed because of the context that it was an aggresive move. And assuming made an ass out of me… Lame. I Apologize Josh.
Also, I didn’t get the joke. That was no nerd, that was Brick Tamland. Not any no-name, like Wes Mantooth, the Brick Tamland.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Right on Biggie
No apologies necessary.
Even though I say I’ve been picked on, it’s just to make a point, trust me, I’m not that fragile, and I always crack lame jokes..
I don;t know who Brick Tamland is, thats probably lame too..:)
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy Poop
Go rent Anchorman (or Netflix or whatever you kids do these days) and watch it immediately. One of Steve Corell’s best roles ever, and easily the best Will Ferril movie.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I will thanks..
..I still gotta see that Billy whatever movie.. I don’t watch tv, and rarely watch movies, but it’s on my list for sure.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Neccesary Comedy Movies
Billy Madison
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgandy
Happy Gilmore
Dumb and Dumber
Caddyshack
Blazing Saddles
This is officially a Hijack
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah that Billy whatever movie..:)
I’ve seen all but the first 2.
Hijacked by comedy movie thread..
“a Fish called wanda” was pretty funny.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I Love You man
Another good comedy
Also, Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed harder at a movie in my entire life
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 8, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
opportunity knocks
I remember that being pretty good.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
As I've pointed out...
… it’s easy to think you’re being ganged up on when you choose… I don’t know… three people to attack at one time? What did you think would happen? You thought you can make up a story that goes “so and so despises Shaun Hill” even though they’ve never said such a thing and didn’t expect a reply or rebuttal? Newsflash, when you make up memories to basically discredit someone who’s been here for a LOOONG time, you’re going to get called out on it.
I didn't make anything up it's the same people evertime
Other than the “Despise Shaun Hill” Statement, which has been boiled down to reasonable doubt, and that’s really all you have, is streching one word to far, that’s all you got, I even said it half jokingly, but you continue to try to say, my whole point behind this, is that those 3 don;t like Shaun Hill. Well they don’t, at least not more than Alex Smith, so get over yourself, my point is the same 3 picked on JL-09, in the exact same situation as me, and I noticed a bias, you cannot deny, me noticing the fact, which I have based on my personal experience. You have decided to involve yourself, simply to earn brownie points with Fooch and Corps, who knows, maybe you’ll get to sweep Fooch’s floor someday.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Brownie points?
Brownie points. For an online discussion site? What would that get me? Moderator or site privileges? Please, that’s not what I’m here for.
I read the site because it’s interesting when people speak of the things they read. It becomes rather bothersome when people start spouting off what they believe another person feels. Whether you feel that way or not, it’s understandable that Fooch, JRP, and whomever else you pointed out above would get a little irritated.
As I pointed out to you above, it’s not black or white. People don’t have to be 100% SHAUN HILL ALL DAY EVERY DAY. And again, you say they don’t like Shaun Hill, and that is flat out wrong. I, again, ask for proof of any of those three ever saying they like Smith more than Hill.
If you look, all you will probably find are comments along the lines of “Hill is probably good for the now, but probably isn’t the QB of the future”. Also, if you look back, I’m pretty sure most comments about Alex Smith will be something along the lines of “he has a lot of potential, but he still has a long way to fulfill that potential.” If memory serves me right, there are WAYYY more Hill backers saying “ZOMG GIVE HILL A CHANCE” than there are people saying “ALEX SMITH DESERVES A SHOT TO START”. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure you’d be hardpressed to find a single person who thinks Smith should start over Hill RIGHT NOW.
My point was bias, not Shaun Hill..
He just happens to be part of the discussion matter. My initial post, was half jokingly written, because I wanted him to stick around. You turning it around into me saying people hate Shaun is mindless. I’m sticking up for someone who got picked on like me. Regardless of what people think about Shaun Hill. It is impossible to make my point, without referring to Him, but he is NOT my point. My point is the same people Ganging up on noobies, in isolated instances, and by my personal experience, it has bias, written all over it.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay.
So you you feel people are “picking on” or “ganging up on” people here, and that’s not the case. As with any discussion, there are many that feel one way, and many that feel another way. If you had bothered reading ANY of the other posts, you would have noticed that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM had a comment pointing out that the discussion is already being discussed elsewhere.
So you feel like the number of Smith supporters outweight the number of Hill supporters? Why not make an EDUCATED AND THOUGHT OUT comment about why they’re wrong and posting that? Or how about just understanding that there will always be two sides to a coin? No, you’d rather just not only insinuate an abuse of power (because they “run the site”), you go ahead and put words into their mouths.
Heck, even JL09 has already said he understands why people brought up the multiple post issue. He also seems to understand he wasn’t being picked on. The only one who can’t seem to grasp that is you.
Also, it’s kind of lame to now back off and say you were just half joking when you wrote the original post. Why not admit that as soon as someone called you out on it? You were dead serious and you know it.
Basically, arguing with you is pointless. You can continue to feel attacked, but all I’m saying is that it’s easy to be ganged up on when you make up things to make people look bad, which NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT, is EXACTLY what you did.
That’s pretty much all I’m going to say. It doesn’t take genius or anything to follow the conversation and know you’re just grasping at straws now.
Yes I was dead serious..
My comment was written half jokingly, but I was serious. And your points are al;ways a side topic of what my point is. I simply saw some people aggressively posting towards a noobie, the same way I had seen before, I didn;t make it up, no matter what you say, I don’t spend this much time making my point about a fantasy. The situation happened and I noticed it, all you are trying to do, is prove it false, by stating my point is other than what it really is.
It’s like this, a bully picked on me one day at my new school, for wearing a Shaun Hill jersey. The next year the same bully picked on another new kid for wearing a Shaun Hill jersey, So I beat the crap out of him!
..theres a perfect analogy
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the real analogy:
You saw a kid in a minor disagreement at school and didn’t like it. Then the air got cleared, and the people having the dispute walked away all cool with each other.
Then you arrived and started throwing haymakers.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
No
I arrived and told the kid, “don’t worry about it, those guys are losers..” then they heard me say it, and wanted to disagree..
So I started throwing haymakers
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
And the alleged “bullies,” who calmly tried to reassure the original guy in the first place, without ever actually harming the guy, wondered why this tiny little dude was wildly throwing haymakers. Fortunately, the little dude’s haymaker aim was completely off. Most of his haymakers were only in his mind.
And now, the alleged “bullies” are all walking away, leaving this little dude to continue throwing his haymakers impotently at the air.
I am done.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
The most important thing in that analogy
..is the “bullies” part.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
sfgfan, part of why I almost always agree with you (I don’t say always, because I don’t like to speak in definitives) is because you’re a well thought-out individual who can say things in a much nicer manner than I can.
I shall not continue discussing this with Josh, as I no longer believe him capable of making rational, well-reasoned points.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
What’s absolutely killing me here is, I’ve seen a good number of comments from people who say, “Shaun Hill is a journeyman QB, and shouldn’t be starting for the Niners” on this site. But not one of them is me. So how the devil did I get singled out as one of the people who hates on Shaun Hill? I like Hill. I’ve liked Hill since his season mop-up service in 2007 actually showed effectiveness within a terrible offense. I see his ceiling as being Jeff Garcia, minus the crazy legs. Do I think he WILL put up Garcian numbers? How would I know, God didn’t gift me with the power to see into the future. But it’s within the realm of possibility, I think.
But giving any sort of praise to Hill now, Josh G is just going to claim that he convinced me to pretend I like Hill or something lame like that, because he refuses to do any form of research on his own, and can’t admit he was wrong. The closest Josh is likely to come to admitting he was wrong is to say, “I was just kidding around,” when he obviously wasn’t, and he’s most definitely very butt hurt about the alleged treatment he’s received on this site. It’s really too bad, because Josh didn’t really seem like he had a cargo ship’s worth of crazy going on when he first came to this site. At least, my gut tells me he didn’t seem completely mental, and I trust my gut.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
You know what JR
You might be right, I may have added you into the mix about the despise Shaun thing prematurely, but regardless, by my experience, you still like to gang up with the other 3, so that’s why you were included, sorry I didn;t make that more clear at first,.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Apr 8, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
WOW!
All of you can argue to your last breath but in the end, it’s up to Singletary. It getting intense in here. Just make your point and let the other guy express his. We all have this right. So, here’s mine. Hill hasn’t lost the job yet and Smith hasn’t earn it. That’s it for now until Training Camp and after Preseason games.
ALEX SMITH
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Apr 9, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone had to say it out loud haha
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
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