Official "49ers should/should not consider this guy" FanPost
by Fooch on Apr 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
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I just posted an official user mock drafting thread and had this one to add as well. We get a lot of FanPosts about a specific college player the 49ers HAVE to draft. They usually include some solid analysis, but I think it'd be nice to have these all together in one place as we head to the draft.
So, if you know of someone the 49ers should draft or trade up or down for, post it as a comment here. Even if it includes an in-depth analysis, post it all together. Then, if users have comments on your suggestion, they can reply to the comment by clicking on the reply button below the specific comment.
As I said in the other FanPost, I definitely don't want to discourage FanPosts as a whole. However, I think this will allow us to keep this specific discussion much more focused and clean up the FanPosts a little bit. Again, if people have a huge problem with this, then we'll abandon the idea.
To keep this up top, feel free to recommend it at your leisure. For new folks, down before the comments start, you'll see a button that says "Rec." You can just click on that. Even after it moves up into recommended FanPosts, keep rec'ing it to keep it up at the top through the draft.
FOOCH'S NOTE 2:55PM: Good point made on the front page about arguing against certain players. So, consider this thread good for BOTH.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Should.
Ayers or E.Brown
Either one is good for me.
NINERS 4 LIFE...and you know this, MAN!
by LADubbz45 on Apr 9, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like...
…Ayers dropping in coverage. E.Brown if we don’t trade back pls
by 49ersCAN on Apr 10, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t we want a pass rusher a little bigger than Brown?
and I like Ayers, but he seems like a little bit of a reach at 10 (especially if A. Smith or Oher are still around), let’s try for Ayers if we end up trading down a bit
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 10, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same size as
The reigning defensive player of the year. Works for me!!
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oher = REACH at 10
Other than death and taxes, only 4 things in this world are indisputable:
Brandon Roy is the BEST player in the NBA in the clutch.
Montana to Rice were the greatest to ever play the game.
The Four Horsemen of Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were unstoppable.
No one protects the pipes like Luongo.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 11, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should not
-Sanchez: Shaun Hill is the shit!. Alex Smith has one more shot.
-Crabtree: WR is too high for 10 when we need DE & OT help first.
-Raji: Dont see him making an immediate impact on D, IMO.
NINERS 4 LIFE...and you know this, MAN!
by LADubbz45 on Apr 9, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto on Sanchez & Crabtree
as I understand it, the biggest problem with Raji is he’s not necessarily the best NT
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 10, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we giving another shot to..
Smith and not Balmer we don’t need a DE in the first when we took one last year the O needs help, get some more talent around the QB.
LG
by rlott#42 on Apr 10, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree & disagree
i agree that Shaun Hill is the shit and that Alex Smith has one more shot “since he wasn’t cut lol”, but our situation in the quarterback position is still pretty questionable, and it is a good possibility of us picking up Sanchez. We are set at quarterback “for now” but if the 49ers are looking towards the future than what we could do is let Shaun play this whole year while Sanchez learns more of the NFL way of playing and environment and when he is finally ready he will most likely be a great attribute.
I disagree with Crabtree being too high and needing a DE, but i agree with needing and OT. We don’t need a DE due to the fact that we have quite a few already so i think we’ll pick someone up later on in the draft for that position, and we need more solid depth in OT so i can see us pickin up someone like Michael Oher or Andre Smith, and for Crabtree there is a good possibility he may make it down to the 10th pick and from what I’ve heard from Sing and everybody in the Niner organization is that we are going to get the best player possible for our 10th pick and although Crabtree isn’t an OT “lol” his talent is way beyond most of the players in the draft.
I’m also going to have to disagree with you about Raji too. I was kind of on the fence for a while with him but I feel that he will make a big impact in our future for the D-line, so i see a good chance of us picking him up to, so all in all, the 49ers have a hand full of positions to fill. Every pick will be a touch one but i have about 110% in my 49ers for this year rather than my usual 100% =) all thanks to our new coach lol.. Go Niners!
by StevenC on Apr 12, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i pray orakpo or raji fall to 10
SHOULD NOT: Any Receiver not named Michael Crabtree, any quarterback, running back, fullback or tight end, any guards, centers or defensive ends, any nose tackles not named b.j., any middle linebackers, or safeties.
If none of Orakpo, Raji, or Crabtree fall to 10, trade down to someone who wants dirty mark sanchez
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on Apr 9, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade down, Please!
Most of the so called experts agree that this years draft class is deep with quality picks and tons of “upside” players but is rather lacking when it comes to safe bet superstars in the top ten. Mayock has been quoted as saying that value begins to meet cost somewhere around the 15-25 pick range and that’s exactly where the Niners are most likely to find a willing trade partner. I mentioned in another comment yesterday that I could see the Jets looking to move up if either Stafford or Sanchez is still sitting there at pick 10 (1,300 points). The most obvious scenario would send us the #17 (950 points) and the 2nd RD #52 (380 points). The current consensus seems to be that these QB’s may be off the board by the time the 49ers are on the clock, and I believe if that ends up being the case it would kill any potential trade with NY.
One other Scenario, one I like even better is a trade with Denver. I don’t see McDaniel’s looking to move from #12 to #10, but #18 (from the Bears) to #10 would seem to be a much more tempting prospect for the Broncos. The #18 pick is worth 900 points. Denver also has the 48th pick (420 points) in the second RD. These two picks would make up the most likely trade scenario between these to teams. This move alone would help us to get 3 of the top 50 players in this years draft (#18, #43, and #48). It wouldn’t be a bad position to be in but hopefully this trade would allow us to move back into the late first round or possibly the early second round.
A really nice scenario I could see happening would be the Patriots at #34. We could swing #43 and #111 (72 points) and Mark Roman (remember, they resigned TBC this offseason) for the pick and still have our pick in the third. Maybe this part isn’t that likely but there are other possible scenario’s that would allow us to move up including Philly, and Detroit. Here is my dream mock draft, assuming that both the Bronco’s and Pats trades take place.
#18-Clint Sintim
#34-Ron Brace
#48-Phil Loadholt
#74-Rashad Jennings
Of course if Michael Crabtree is still there at #10 this all goes out the window. This would be a tempting player to take at #10 and keep but if the Eagles offered us #21, #28 and # 53 for #10, #43 and # 146 we would have to listen.
Anybody here see a problem with these scenario’s?
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 9, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should Orakpo/ Cory Brown / Lawrence Sidbury, Should Not E. Brown/ Ayers/ Clint Sintim/
by BIG49ERS_1 on Apr 9, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Def no Clint Sintim
He sounds like a disease that makes your balls itch
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Apr 10, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Trading down
You do realize that there is more to trading down than just the Niners not wanting to pick at #10, right? The Niners actually have to find a trading partner, which I imagine is infinitely harder than you suspect. If the draft is as deep as you claim why would teams want to give their picks up to move up?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 10, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And......
Chances are if there is a trade up it will be with the raiders to jump in front of the Jags or the Packers to jump in front of us since … in my opinion… are the two most likely teams to take Sanchez. Teams might try to deal with us but i think they will try to deal with the raiders or packers first.
by Qbgetter13 on Apr 10, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Packers?
Why the hell would the packers want Sanchez?
by Mullester on Apr 10, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause McCarthy was a big reason we didn’t draft Rodgers and he should pay for it instead of getting the reward of his career! Do I sound bitter?
by bignerd on Apr 10, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im saying
trade with the packers to get in front of us if they think we are going QB
by Qbgetter13 on Apr 14, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
This is especially true, in my opinion, with the 49ers’ case. I seem to recall that they’ve gone on record saying that it’s unlikely they’ll take a QB in the first (could be a smoke screen). They’ve also re-upped Alex Smith to “see what he can do.” If I were any team trading up, I’d call the 49ers bluff on Sanchez and start working on trading to the #11 pick.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
@ sfgfan
Call the Niners Bluff? According to the first sentence in your comment the 49ers “bluff” is that they don’t want a QB. The general consensus seems to be that the Niners are more comfortable with their QB situation than the experts think they should be. On draft day that could very likely be the perceived “smokescreen”. This could lead the other teams to attempt to jump in front of us, but if that doesn’t happen than we hold the cards at ten.
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling the bluff.
Yes, many “experts” believe the 49ers are falsely comfortable with their QB situation. Yes, Sanchez would probably demand A LOT of interest if he fell to #10. The problem with that idea is that the 49ers have projected an image that they probably won’t look at a QB in the first round. The only way another team trades up to the 49ers pick is if they feel the 49ers will take a QB, or the #11 pick will take a QB.
Basically, the 49ers would have to bluff their interest in Sanchez. YES, it’s possible that some team get nervous and trade up. However, I’m of the strong believe that the 49ers REALLY don’t want to take a QB at #10, and another team probably sees that, too. So why would they trade up to #10 when they could trade a little less to #11?
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, what if the teams believe that the Niners lack of interest is the bluff?
This is like chess, you have to think moves ahead. Generally, what the team is saying is not what other teams will believe, its what the team thinks it would do in the Niners situation. Many teams will believe that the Niners should take Sanchez, so they will more than likely be worried that they will.
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see it...
… and I guess we just have a difference in opinion. Of all the teams 10 through 12, I think Denver is the only team that is even remotely close to a certainty that they will take Sanchez if available.
Basically, if I were another team, I’d just dare the 49ers to take Sanchez and deal with it afterward if they do take him. I could try to trade up to #11 (just like I would if I were to trade up to #10 or #11 to get Sanchez), and basically take a guy the 49ers would want and work a trade then.
That, or live without Sanchez/Stafford, as neither are really “can’t miss” prospects anyway.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT, what if the other teams think ...
that the Niners are bluffing by only showing minimal interest in Sanchez to get the other teams to think that they are really NOT interested in Sanchez which of course would mean that they really ARE interested in Sanchez when really they aren’t because they are bluffing that they are really bluffing ???
inconceivable, isn’t it?
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 10, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is hilarious...
When I first started to write my comment I deleted a section where I compared the bluff discussion to "that scene from the princess bride where the bad guy tries to figure out which cup the poison is in " but I didn’t know if people would know what I was talking about.
That was great
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly lesser known
Is that you never challenge a Sicilian when death is on the line!
by bonbrillio on Apr 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course...
the most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia.
by Fooch on Apr 23, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really??
You need more than one team to make a trade? I would have never guessed…
Seriously, of course I know it takes more than the 49ers willingness to move down to make a trade happen. It is either very easy or it is impossible to make a trade like this happen. The Jets may be willing to do so if Sanchez or Stafford are still there, and they haven’t already jumped in front of us. They might be a willing partner if Crabtree is still there as well. The Broncos have many holes, so they may want to hang on to their second round pick, however, if memory serves me they now have 11 picks so this would still leave them with 10. With Denvers defensive needs, they may want to move up to get Raji, or Brown, or Maybin. With #10 and #12 they could possibly get two of these players. It all depends on who’s there, how bad a team wants a player, and of course if a team fears that a player will be gone in the next pick or so. All I am lobbying for is our beloved Niners to go into pick ten with a “trade down first, mentality” (and no, I don’t expect McCloughlan to be pouring over the comments section on Niners Nation looking for draft advice).
Obviously I made a pretty good argument for teams not wanting top ten picks in this years draft, but all it takes is one team who sees value at our number ten to make it possible.
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Denver
Why would the Niners trade with Denver when the Niners are probably targeting the same players as Denver? There’s a pretty big influx of new/newish 3-4 teams this year and they’re all going to be looking for NT and OLB. It would be the Niners dream scenario if one of Raji, Maybin or Brown were available at #10.
I kind of did fly off my jerk store bought handlebars but I just think people throw the “trade down, there’s nobody good enough to take at #10” mantra around too casually. I do suppose Sanchez could draw enough interest from teams if he’s available at #10 that they would want to jump in front of Denver but outside of that I don’t see much potential for trading down.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver wants the same "kind" of players that we do...
I would rather have Brace and Sintim, than only Raji or only Brown. There is no guarantee that those players will be there at the picks we would get in a trade, but at the very least it would give us more quality talent from the draft overall. The general buzz seems to be that the draft is deep at 3-4 OLB and that after Curry the talent is pretty close throughout the the first and early second. There are questions about Brown, and Orakpo, and Maybin, all players projected to go in the top 15 picks. I think Brace is the key and after posting last night I looked at other mocks and it doesn’t seem like it would be a reach to take Brace at #18 and it could still be possible to get Sintim at #34 or wherever ( #48 if we can’t trade back up). This is why I think we would make a deal with Denver.
P.S.- No worries about the tone of you comment, I can take it
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sintim...
… will not be available at #34. Many people have him going mid-to-late first round.
You’re mistaking quantity for quality. Just because you acquire more picks, it doesn’t mean you’re going to be getting better picks. You’re just increasing your opportunities to succeed or fail.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first mock I saw had Sintim going early, that is why I suggested him @ #18
Many others had him on the board at #34. Some mocks have Brace going in the early first
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brace and Sintim
I think when it comes to value, Sintim would probably provide more value in the first. I’m of the impression that Brace’s back injury/injuries are what’s pushing him into the second round. For a defensive tackle, and especially if he plans to play nose tackle, back issues are HUGE question mark.
If Brown isn’t there at #10, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading down and hoping to land Sintim. I just don’t think the team should pass up Brown at #10 if he is there, though. The guy is not only quick, but he supposedly is one of the most polished pass rushers in this draft in terms of hand-usage and technique.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Niners trade with Denver when the Niners are probably targeting the same players as Denver?
except that we have Shaun Hill as our QB, and Denver has neckbeard as theirs
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Apr 10, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that we have Shaun Hill as our QB, and Denver has neckbeard as theirs
Are you saying one team is better off at the QB position? If so, who do you mean?
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
check out http://draftguys.com/ to see players under the radar we should think about in day two of the NFL draft
by BIG49ERS_1 on Apr 10, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should and should not
Should
Oher…. never enough lineman … especially in a run first offense.
E. Brown…. although small, the most athletic of the group.
J. Maclin… no one wants this guy but i think he’s good and will do good things.
Moreno…. just because he is a beast… hes not really a changeup from gore though..
never quits on a play… always wants one more inch.. plays with pride.
should not
RAJI… only reason he is this high is because of the lack of talent at nose in the draft…
we have enough to get buy without him at #10… Terrence Cody next year…
Sopoaga is my dude
Rey Maualuga…. this pick would really piss me off…. we dont need him … especially at
10… This will show Singletary’s bias and maybe that he can’t be at the
top dog spot…. Spikes is the man… get a guy late that can sit for 2 years
on a side not i really like Maualuga.
Orakpo…. i think his talent is maxed… hes to bulky to cover
by Qbgetter13 on Apr 10, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just looking at # 10
No to:
Maybin- one year of production and unexplained short term weight gain
Sanchez- take a young guy in the mid to late rounds, and watch to see how Alex Smith responds with an intact shoulder.
Yes to:
E. brown or Orakpo-pass rush, pass rush, pass rush
Crabtree-not a huge need, but a steal if he falls to 10
Jenkins-possible long term FS
by illini49er on Apr 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty similar...
… except I would be okay with Sanchez if Brown, Orakpo and Crabtree are all gone. I’d rather have Sanchez than Oher.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brown, Orakpo, and Crabtree are gone would you rather have Sanchez or Harvin?
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 10, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez.
I’m just not a big fan of Harvin or Maclin, as I’ve mentioned before. I’d rather some other team take a risk on those two guys that seem remind me a bit of Tedd Ginn.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I meant Maclin, obviously not Harvin that early.
Thing A
by sam23 on Apr 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same reply.
Not a big fan of Maclin, either.
by sfgfan on Apr 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulds & Shouldn'ts
Should:
Cody Brown UConn DE/OLB – 6-2, 244lb, 4.76: long-armed, big-handed pass rusher started 3 years, put up big numbers. Very athletic. 4th round.
Javarris Williams Tenn St RB – 5-10, 223lb, 4.51: looks like a good short-yardage back with adequate quickness. Durable, played four years. Late 5th round.
Aaron Kelly Clemson WR – 6-5, 204, 4.49: great hands and body control but lacks quickness. Could be great possession/redzone receiver. 5th round.
Antonio Appleby Virginia ILB – 6-4, 245lb, 4.69: potential TED 3-4 LB plays downhill but can take on & shed the big guys. 6th round.
Michael Ray Garvin Florida St KR/CB – 5-8, 174lb, 4.24: kick return specialist with world-class speed set records at FL St. Alan Rossum’s last year? Late 7th round, UDFA.
Shouldn’ts:
Robert Ayers DE – he’s a 4-3 DE who did poorly in LB drills.
Vontae Davis CB – poor read & react skills.
Fenuki Tupou OT – marginal feet, another K. Harris.
Sebastian Vollmer OT – great athleticism, but he’s 25 already and a project player.
Clint Sintim Virginia OLB – 6-3, 256lb, 4.75: has done poorly in LB drills, doesn’t work well in space, may be moved inside. OLBs need to cover, too.
Ramses Barden Cal St-SLO – 6-6, 230lb, 4.51: over-hyped developmental player projects as a possession/redzone receiver. Al Davis will take him in the 2nd, though.
Gartrell Johnson Colo St. RB – 5-10, 219lb, 4.75: He’s too slow for anything except short-yardage, and there are better choices.
I’m sure many will disagree, but it’s all good fun.
by MontanaPass on Apr 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayock's First Ten Picks
I just finished watching a clip of Mayock’s 10 pick mock and I was floored. This video first aired on 4/3 so I feel like I’m late to the ball, but if this has been dicussed here I missed it. The first shock, I got was seeing all 4 of the top OT’s in the draft are gone by pick ten. I haven’t been praying for an OT at ten but I thought we would have the option, and I wouldn’t be upset if we got one there, but I like Loadholt in the second for a RT. Another shock was Heyward-Bey to Oakland and Jeremy Maclin to Jacksonville. So, Sanchez is still there, Crabtree is still there, Orakpo is still there, Brown is still there.
If all of these players were still there I think this increases our chances of finding a trade partner to move back. If Detroit takes Curry #1 overall instead of Stafford (Mayock has Stafford going to the Lions and Curry to the She-c*cks) it would all but ensure that Sanchez falls to us a ten and may bring the Lions into the picture. The Lions have #20 and #33. Those two picks for #10 and #111 would be an equal value trade for both teams. That gives us #20, #33, #43, and #73. It would pretty much accomplish what I was proposing earlier with one trade instead of two.
All I’m saying is that we may have options
by SanFranSoldier on Apr 10, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade scenarios.
A Lions-49ers trade at #10 is my second-most-likely scenario, and here’s why: the Lions , like every other team, are wary of taking a young spread offense QB with the top pick in a weak QB draft class. Everyone sees what happened with Alex Smith and do not want to repeat that mistake. With $25-30mil in crippling dead money at stake, this becomes a business decision rather than a personnel decision. A franchise LT is a much less riskier pick. And with the Lions, they are acutely aware of the disaster Matt Millen was in the the draft and will not want to repeat that mistake. So I think they go with the safe LT pick at #1 and attempt to trade up to get a QB or hope Josh Freeman drops to thm at #20, which is unlikely because the Broncos(#18), the Jets(#17), and the Bucs(#19) pick just before them. The Lions could package their #20 and #33 picks to move up to #8 or #10 to get Sanchez if he falls, or they could trade their #20 and a 3rd to move ahead of the Jets and take Freeman.
The most likely trade scenario I see is the Broncos trading up to #10 to get Sanchez using their #12 and #79 picks. This would be sweet for the 9ers because they could still get Oher/Smith at OT or Malcolm Jenkins at CB and pick up a 3rd. But with Mike Nolan now the DC in Denver, I suspect they know the 9ers won’t take Sanchez and will gamble on Sanchez falling to them at #12.
But if Detroit trades up with us, I would take CB Sean Smith at #20 and NT Ron Brace at #33, then take Cadogan/Kropog at OT in the 3rd.
by MontanaPass on Apr 11, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should and Shouldn't
Should:
Sanchez – fill future QB instead of waiting til next year
Oher – big RT we can use but not ideal for 10th pick
Smith – big RT/LT we can use but not ideal for 10th pick
Maclin – tough speedster and deep threat plus some added special team value when needed. See as future All Pro
Shouldn’t:
Any of the top OLB/DE (Okapro, Brown and Maybin). Yes, they all hint at an explosiveness which has put them into consideration but each shows some serious flaws, especially in a 3-4 scheme. Anyways, all reports say the 2nd round OLB/DE are much more solid prospects without huge question marks.
Maybin – maybe to small to play on run downs and not a 3-4 player according to most
Okapro – he is stiff moving around and lacks great balance which I think is needed for a guy of his size.
E. Brown – I liked him because of his explosive 1st step but Charlie Casserly killed him. Said he was a one trick pony without a counter move and simply couldn’t play the 3-4.
Crabtree – 6-1, 4.5 sec 40 yard slot receiver . . . but I’ve been over this
Maybe:
BJ Raji – has great size but NT are always a toss up. We have some depth inside but not enough to take out of consideration.
by bignerd on Apr 10, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://49ersboard.blogspot.com/2009/03/musts-n-busts-of-upcoming-nfl-draft.html
Doesn’t this official should/should not FanPost take away a lot of opinions from getting more attention on Niner Nation, compared to if they were to just make a FanPost?
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 11, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
official fanpost
I actually this keeps things in front of people more than everybody posting FanPosts briefly mentioning somebody and that the 49ers should consider them. For example, the Frank Summer FanPost is gone and easy to forget. However, with this I can keep it at the top of the FanPosts and we have a compilation available heading into and after draft day all together.
by Fooch on Apr 11, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
…that’s exactly what it does, but at least it it’s “official”
My Frank Summers post was so unofficial I wanted to puke.
by 49ersCAN on Apr 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
frank summers
I thought it was still solid, and it certainly generated some conversation. Feel free to post more about him here if you want.
by Fooch on Apr 14, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything flying about
There doesn’t seem to be one player everybody can agree on. We gone from QB,WR,DE and every position possible.It’s Maddening. I’m not in favor of one specific player but more of position and you pick that BPA for that position. I really cann’t wait until the draft . I may be a stats. man, and I see where the help is needed, so the first 3 picks should be, OLB ,OT and DB. Theses are the weakest of all positions. WR and QB is not that major concern. There nothing wrong with Hill or the receiving corp.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read a great story
from Rivals.com. Points out that the LB position in early picks have pan out for long and sucessful careers. Such as, Rivers,Willis,Hawk,Ware and or they will be. Whereas, the the Niners picks for WR,QB, DB hasn’t be so good. Since “02 -06”, we have drafted 12 WR and only Battle has be able to stick.Hill, Morgan and Zeilgar (undrafted) have the talent we haven’t had in a while. Crabtree may not have good Odds relating to past Niners picks. Pick a solid position at OLB first !!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 12, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like vontae davis
i think that the niners should get him in the second because if sing wants to make it a family then lets really make it a family. also i think that if we signed vontae that we might see the numbers out of vernon because i think that he would be trying to show up his brother in talent also would he will be a good backup corner.
by 5-0 on Apr 13, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis...
… is looking to be a first round pick. He may be the second best corner in the draft, so it’s unlikely he’ll slip into the second. As the old adage goes: you can’t have too many CBs, and there are A LOT of teams that need a starting CB now or in the very near future.
by sfgfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami will take him in the 1st if he's there
and 1 VD is enough thxs
by 49ersCAN on Apr 14, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Down
The closer we get to the draft, the less clear it becomes who exactly will be there @ 10 and who will be THAT GUY. Our needs are, individually, not grave needs, but equal in necessity. OL, DL, WR, CB/S, RB (b-up)…. it seems we could go with anyone of these spots; even QB (tho I’m a huge fan/proponent of Shaun Hill). At 10, I don’t know if anyone can unequivically say- so and so is THE GUY, and who knows who that will be (available-wise @ 10).
I would suggest to trade down- somewhere in the 15-20 range. That way we acquire @ least one more pick and we choose, in the 15-20 range, the best player available. If the BPA is our strategy at 10, in a spot where the BPA will be less clear, we should trade down to a spot where the BPA becomes more clear.
Some players projected later in the 1st RD I would contemplate: Vontae Davis, Malcom Jenkins, Knoshon Moreno, Ray Maualuga, maybe Josh Freeman (if we’re still leaning QB). The NFL Draft is ever more a place to find impact players in later RDs, may as well acquire more picks if in doubt with the #10.
by bonbrillio on Apr 14, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DT/NT Vaughn Martin, 6'3, 331 Western Ontario(thats in Canada) Mustangs
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/vaughn-martin?id=90404
possible late, late rounder
by 49ersCAN on Apr 15, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
very interesting
Israel Idonije (Bears DE/DT) is another Canadian lineman who made the leap to the NFL level. I saw him play at U of Manitoba and he stood out in just the kinds of ways this guy sounds like he does (from the write-up). Worth a late-round flier/UDFA look.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Apr 15, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A friend I work with actually saw him play a couple times...
…and said he was dominant. He should be if he has any shot of getting drafted as the competition up here is nothing like south of the border. Would have been interesting to see what he could have done at MSU.
by 49ersCAN on Apr 15, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s defnitely intriguing – sounds like Sing’s “blue collar” kind of guy and a guy who could get on the roster given his versatility
by Neon on Apr 22, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more on Vaughan...
…scored a 38 on the wonderlic!!! Thats in the 99th% of all tested (we actually make our athletes go to class up here).
by 49ersCAN on Apr 23, 2009 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martin & Jamal Lee
What that article doesn’t mention is Martin’s testing, he ran a sub 5.00 40 as a 330 pounder and benched 31 times. He’s raw, but you can’t coach his athleticism.
Jamal Lee is another Canadian who could somewhat fit what the 49er’s want in a big back, he’s 6’1" 225, and ran a 4.39 at the CFL combine.
by Kraut182 on Apr 19, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jamal Lee...
…a project but worth the gamble, same with Vaughan Martin. Great athletes
by 49ersCAN on Apr 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wide Receivers
Deon Butler – Ran an unoffical 4.26, Owns the Penn State record for receptions, the only knock scouts have on him is that he was a walk-on.
Austin Collie (BYU) – which put up 35 reps at the combine, plays bigger then his 6’1 frame, led the nation in receiving yards
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 20, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unoffical 4.26
Every WR prospect has run an unofficial 4.26
by bignerd on Apr 20, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the way....
… their agents tell it at least. :)
by sfgfan on Apr 20, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's electrically timed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGc0tCCzkmA&feature=related (2:05 is Butler’s unofficial 4.26, like the announcers say he’s a blur)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwq5PA03cjM&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
Favorite highlight of Butler.. [Expletive] me? Nah [Expletive] you
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on Apr 21, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mean the electronic clock was properly configured or used correctly.
Come September every major college football program will claim to have 3 guys who can run a sub 4.3. The combine always proves how inaccurate or full of smoke those claims are.
by bignerd on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal products
I’d like to see some later RD picks used to go for Zack Follett or Worrell Williams @ LB, maybe Cameron Morrah as a TE. While @ Call these guys were impact players.
by bonbrillio on Apr 23, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pac-10 defense
Allow me to shudder for a moment… brrrrr….
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Apr 24, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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