Mike Holmgren wants back in the game: Well, that was quick...
by Fooch on May 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
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Tip of the cap to the folks at Field Gulls for posting this link. According to the "NFL News Feed" at WashingtonPost.com:
Former Seattle Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he has made the decision that he wants to work again and is open to the idea of coaching, but has not made a final decision on whether he will do that or work in a front office somewhere. He said he has not thought through his emotions enough to know exactly what it is he wants to do.
I'd imagine somebody would have gotten this posted as a FanShot or FanPost, so I figured I'd throw it out here first. While I am fine with Scot McCloughan as GM, I know there are plenty of folks that take great exception to McC.
Obviously he will not be the head coach of the 49ers anytime soon. If anybody wants to argue for replacing Mike Singletary with Holmgren, I think it's safe to say you'll face quite a bit of mockery. However, I know there is a horde of folks out there with pitchforks and torches ready to go after Scot McCloughan.
At this point I don't have any direction to point this conversation. Obviously McCloughan is not going to be fired anytime soon. He's probably next on the chopping block if things go south this season, but for now his job is safe. One thing to keep in mind about Holmgren is that Mike Holmgren was canned as GM midway through his tenure with the Seahawks.
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Why mockery at the suggestion that Singletary be replaced?
- former student of the great Bill Walsh? Check
- Superbowl ring as head coach? Check
- took two different teams to the Superbowl? Check
- took a team that hadn’t been to the playoffs in 10 years and got them to the playoffs in 6 of the next 10 seasons? Check
I’m not saying there’s any chance of it happening. The current regime seems very committed to Singletary (and would have to pay two coaches at the same time if they were to hire Holmgren). And I am excited to see how Singletary’s nascent career developes. But at this point there’s no comparisons between the resumes of these two coaches. I wouldn’t mock anyone that suggested that Singletary be replaced by Holmgren.
That said, I’m not so sure it makes sense to bring Holmgren in as GM. If we lost a game the headline would be whether Holmgren would be coming down from the owner’s box to coach the team himself the next game. Seems to me that it could undermine Singletary’s authority.
by kiyoshi on May 12, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren
Holmgren seems too nice to take on a Parcells-esqe role and I don’t know if he’s ever displayed a great eye for talent. Maybe he can be a consultant?
by daveofferson on May 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Holmgren leave Seattle in a great spot?
I don’t think so. Why would someone want to emulate what was done in Seattle? They’re kind of a mess right now.
by Neon on May 12, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Front office
If he wants a front office job, I’d be completely fine with it. Maybe he can help manage the scouting department or something along those lines, or just oversee the whole football side. I know the 49ers already have someone doing this, so the question becomes whether or not Holmgren will be an improvement. I can’t honestly say one way or the other.
However, I do know that while he wasn’t completely FAIL as a GM, he wasn’t necessarily that great at it either. I’d rather wait and see what more McCloughan can do as his own boss before canning him.
by sfgfan on May 12, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if he wants to coach
he should lose about a-buck-twenty if you know what I’m saying. We need a coach to lead by example, among other things. Shape up then make a comeback Holmgren. Let Singletary do his thing for an indefinite amount of time, see how that plays out, if then Heavy hasn’t dropped a few pounds then bring his lardass back.
"I sing a song from Sing-Sing, sipping on ginseng."-- Wu Tang
by jfainsf49 on May 12, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How much left does he have in the tank?
Even though he’s got a big tank around the waist, last year he looked TIRED with the seachickens. We need to give Sing a chance. He’s got the fire! … if he manages to keep his pants on.
by hugemelvin on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't waste any time, get him,
He’s full of Knowledge that the front office hasn’t had in a long time. McC willn’t, but Jed should! If they going try to improve the team,than change everything. Not one part at a time.
by LASVEGASNINER on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Consultant! Offensive Consultant!
Quick, Jed, DO IT!
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be a...
… very interesting acquisition. Question is: how long would Holmgren stay on? He’s obviously jonesin’ for some football right now. If he’s “consulting,” you know he’ll be jonesin’ to become a head coach soon enough.
by sfgfan on May 12, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
I’m happy with McC. And I can’t say Holmgren left Seattle in very good shape. And he was fired as the GM, so replacing McCloughan, who seems to be doing a decent job, especially with Nolan gone, doesn’t seem to be the path.
As coach? Maybe if things go really bad with Singletary this year, but I don’t see it.
I wish him well, hope he builds a nice place down around Santa Cruz, but I don’t think that he fits in with the Niners current situation.
by Bob On The Coast on May 12, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it isn't like the 49ers need any real experience...
Anywhere in the FO and coaching.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on May 12, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forttyner4life FanPost turned into comment
The FanPost just should have been a comment so I’m moving it over here. I’ll even post the replying comments below it:
I frequently bash the front office…
because the can’t close a deal to save there life..HOWEVER I would come around if they’d get Homgren. Not only is he a brilliant football mind but he’ll bring a presense of football operational ‘know how’ to the 49ers organization. Further, and most importantlty, we will also send a message to the rest of the league that we’re hear to play now. The force is back. Having Singletary and Holmgren essentially running the show sounds menacing to me. In a good way. Call it peaceful co-existance if you will but understand that these two guys will put a quality team on the field in a fiery manner. I’ve spent many a posts now talking about what a gun-shy (for lack of a better word) front office we have. We need to make moves that bring winning back to this organization. Not next season, but now. I really hope we don’t add Homlgren to the list of players that we didn’t close the deal on this off-season. I’m still bent on Houshmanzadeh and Cutler. You watch…the bears will get Bouldin. Because the Bears want to win now. Cutler to Bouldin will be sickening. Trust me. Good thing we have Shaun Hill to Brandon Jones! What a threat, huh??? Please, how pathetic. Or better yet, hopefully “SFGFan” will chime in again and tell me why he was glad we didn’t get Houshmanzadeh. Whom he called: “the aging possesion receiver.” Told me he’s “glad Seattle got him.” It’s almost sad to hear that. Guarentteed the dude will catch 10TDS and 1000 yards..AGAIN.
Lets look at the pool of proven talent we “passed on” again this off season: Haynesworth, Housh, Foote, Rhodes, Roy Wiliams, TO (yes TO), Cassell, Cutler, Tony Gonzolez, Holmgren (?), Larry Johnson (?), Bouldin (???). How many more will there be?
Can you all really sit here and tell me that we are a tough football team? Do you think teams prepare for us with the same vigor they prepare for Pittsburg with? How bout Indy? Or even Dallas for that manner. We’re soft guys and girls. Face it. P-Willis is the only intimadator we have. Until we get a front office filled with operational exellence like (NE, Indy, Pitsburg) we’ll remain a mediocre team who stumbles on Micheal Crabtrees. Who can’t foster the growth of Gore. Who can’t figure out how to get the ball to Vernon Davis. A team who can’t negiotiate for a real QB much less protect one. A team that invests time and money into Kentwan Balmer, Brandon Jones, and Alex Smith. A team that passes up pretty much EVEYTHING and claims it “just wasn’t a good fit.”
We need a modern day Ronnie Lott. Someone that will break your neck if you throw at him. We need an intimadator, like a Haynesworth. Someone that puts the fear of god in you when you line up against him. Much like Charles Hailey did when we actually won. Disclaimer: I’m not saying I love Haynesworth…but he’s a PIG to try and block. A beast that you must prepare for as an opponent. A dude that will actually try and hurt you if he can. A friggin freak show. We need that, trust me. If you’ve ever played competitve football (and yes I have) there are people that you line up against that simply scare you with there presense. They grunt..they drool..they bleed…and they will beak you in half to win games. They’ll eat your childern at half-time if it means a victory (please don’t take that last comment seriously Fooch). We don’t have that. We don’t need a team full of those, but a few on each side. It’s healthy.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get Holmgren so that we get an executive with a proven track record. Mike’s a bay area guy. He’s a perfect fit. Can’t be this hard to close the deal Jeddy. You’ve passed on everything else…or failed the close it. So we should have some money left to get a great football mind in Holmgren.
by Fooch on May 12, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The discussion between a few of us
Fooch: You do realize he was basically fired as GM of the Seahawks, don’t you?
Forttyner4life: Beacsue he was the coach as well. Right genius??? He wasn’t good at double duty, which is not an easy task. I don’t want him as the head coach. I wan’t him in the front office so we become a smarter more delibrate organization. So that we make smart and fruitful business transactions. but he’s been good at Again, as the editor of this site, it’s amazing to me that you make the comments that you do. That you too would like to shy away from Mike H. That your ‘happy’ with Scotty. You kill me man. But somehow we route for the same team so yet I keep reading your rants.
My reply: How do we know it was because of double duty? Maybe he just wasn’t good at the personnel side of things. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be good as the 49ers GM, I’m just saying you need to consider the fact that when he was a GM he wasn’t good.
by Fooch on May 12, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forttyner4life
and who are you Alfred Einstein?
(reference: King Pin)
by jfainsf49 on May 12, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey look man
we all route for the same team here ok
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
by 49erLou on May 12, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that route leads to Candlestick Park!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 12, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't leave the packers in a good position but I think he'd be great to have for our QB's
As I said bring him in as a consultant and If Raye bombs on playcalling let him do that but remove Sing and Guys will not want to play for him
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 12, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh G comment
I didn’t like him when Nolan was here..
But since Nolan has left, I’ve gotten a better understanding about his say on the last few years of the draft class..
So far..
Gore, Willis, Staley, Rachal, Morgan, and now Crabtree, Mckillop, Pascoe, and Coffee?
I let the latter half see how they do this year to be sold, but if 2 of those guys, turn out to be staters, then..
So good..
by Fooch on May 12, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also Josh G
I wouldn’t mind Holgren as..
Quaterbacks coach.. I’ve got nothing against Sullivan, But I think Holmgren is one of the very best out there when it comes to polishing up a quaterback.. He has at least 3 Pro Bowl QB’s under his belt, and 2 of them have already been inducted to the HOF, but I reiterate, if Scottys draft picks pay off, I wouldn’t not want to replace him, he is more motivated, with a more upside, as Barrows would say..
by Fooch on May 12, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Lets look at the pool of proven talent we "passed on" again this off season: Haynesworth, Housh, Foote, Rhodes, Roy Wiliams, TO (yes TO), Cassell, Cutler, Tony Gonzolez, Holmgren (?), Larry Johnson (?), Bouldin (???). How many more will there be?”
The players you mention fit into two categories: 1) Not a major improvement at a position 1) The Niners never had a realistic shot of acquiring that player in the first place.
Haynesworth: Goes in both category 1 and category 2. The Niners are a 3-4 team. Haynesworth is a 4-3 tackle not a 3-4 NT. He does not upgrade the NT position. In addition, the Niners were not going to give out the kind of money he was looking for.
Housh: Goes in category 1. They already have an aging possession receiver: Isaac Bruce.
Foote: Goes in category 1. Willis is the established Mike linebacker for years to come. They already have Takeo Spikes who played very well at the Ted position. I don’t see how another aging veteran such as Foote is a major upgrade.
Rhodes: Goes in category 1. I wouldn’t call Rhodes a quality player. He did next to nothing last season. He is overrated. He is decent at the goal line, but so is Gore. The Niners got a better player in the third round of the draft in Glenn Coffee.
Roy Williams: Goes in category 2. He will be with the Cowboys for awhile; the Niners never had a shot at him. I knew from the moment the Cowboys signed Williams that T.O.’s days in Dallas were numbered.
T.O.: Goes in category 2. He would never go back to the Niners and the Niners would never sign him again. It was never realistic. I personally wouldn’t want him anyways. He is an aging receiver, who struggles to get off the press now, and has suspect hands.
Cassell: Goes in category 1. First, I think he is overrated. He was throwing to Welker and Moss. He had a decent season for one of the best offenses in the league. I do not think he offers a significant improvement when throwing to Bruce and Morgan.
Cutler: Goes in category 2. The Bears had to give up two first round picks, a third rounder, and their qb to get Cutler. I cannot imagine in a million years the Niners giving that much up to get him. The bears waaaaaaaaaay overpaid for him and will pay for it this season. They may have a qb, but they still lack wr’s for him to throw to. Some Niner fans may remember Brandon Lloyd. Yeah… that’s Cutler’s top target.
Tony Gonzalez: Goes in category 2. I can see the argument for trying to get Gonzalez, but I see a trend where the Niners are trying to build through the draft, so the prospects of them paying an aging tight end who is nearing the end of his career seemed dim. I will admit Gonzalez barely falls into my 2nd category.
Holmgren: Goes in category 2. The Niners just hired Singletary so head coach is out of the picture. McCoughlan’s job will largely hinge on how this draft and the next one goes, but I think his job is safe for now. I’m not sure Holmgren is the best talent evaluator anyways. Regardless, with how things have shaped out for the Niners, he was not a realistic acquisition.
Larry Johnson: Goes in category 1 and category 2. First, Johnson would not go to a team only to spell their lead back. He views himself as a starter and he will seek out a team where he will have the opportunity to start. I think his best years are behind him and he really does not upgrade Frank Gore. Gore is a top 5 back in the league when he stays healthy.
Boldin: Goes in category 2. Had we not been gifted with Michael Crabtree, then I could see the Niners entertaining the idea of Boldin. The Cardinals reportedly want a 1st and a 3rd for him though, which I believe both myself and the majority of the league feels is overpriced. I do not think the Cardinals asking price would be so high if they didn’t want him back. I do not think the Niners would give up that much for a receiver who is looking for a new contract with top end money.
Overall, it was a poor offseason for signing quality players. Are there players the Niners could have gone after? I guess. I would have liked to see them go for Lito Shepherd or another corner to replace Walt Harris, but at the same time Harris is still serviceable. Beyond that though, to be frank, the Niners did the most they could considering the limited options available in this offseason. Almost all of the players I can think of who were available were not major upgrades or were never realistically options for the Niners. Considering the rather limited option this offseason, I was rather pleased with what the Niners did (with the possible exception of Brandon Jones; I really hope McCoughlan sees something in him that I do not and that it shows this season).
by Calcio365 on May 12, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We didn't pass we just didn't want to give up that much for one player we are a work in progress
Let’s not talk about Boldin the cards wohn’t trade him in the division and we have enough wideouts
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 12, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while some points are valid
some are not. Patrick Willis is not our only intimidator, he’s our best one. Why would Albert Haynesworth be worth the money he got to play nose in a 3-4?
Our secondary is a very sure tackling, solid hitting bunch. Michael Lewis is one of the best tacklers at Strong Safety in the NFC. Nate Clements doesn’t intimidate opponents? Like it or not, he’s actually been pretty damn solid at RCB, and teams don’t like throwing at him. Yes, he’ll get beat, but by T.O. and Fitzgerald. Everyone gets beat by these guys. You don’t think Takeo Spikes intimidates anyone on the field? Maybe he was under the radar early in the season, but it didn’t last very long.
Justin Smith isn’t intimidating? The guy lined up (if he does his homework) knows that Justin Smith is here to play every snap 100%. That wears an OT down. Sure, Smith didn’t have 13 sacks (he had 7), but he had a hand in 74 tackles too. You’ll claim he’s overpaid, but I’d rather have a solid, reliable guy like Smith (and remember Bryant Young) any day over an Albert Haynesworth. You don’t know what you’re getting with Albert week in and week out, but with a guy like Justin Smith, its 100% all the time.
Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Justin Smith and Michael Lewis. That’s five by my count. I agree that we need one in the secondary like a Ronnie Lott (but who would disagree with that?). I also agree that we need another solid D-Lineman, or even two. I disagree that P-Willy is our only intimidator.
While Haynesworth may have been nice, I think the money he got would be ridiculous for a 3-4 NT. Then again, its not coming out of my wallet.
I think Vince Wilfork is our target next offseason though, and surely you’d have to be happy about that, no?
by Andrew Davidson on May 12, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
matter of fact
trade for him now, and extend him.
(Wilfork)
by Andrew Davidson on May 12, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pats aren't the organization to trade away great players
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 12, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but extension talks have broken down between the two, and they’ve let studs walk via FA before. why not get something while they can for him?
by Andrew Davidson on May 13, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Super Bowl though..
Paul Allen for the owner, new stadium and 100% control, but no SB.
Lets go with coach Sing and Scotty.
by Niner Power on May 12, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Responsible roster improvement
Why the hate for Scotty? The team was in dire straits when he arrived. The roster looks much better, and the team is well under the cap.
The draft is a crap shoot. Before the draft, there was a post somewhere about the last ten players taken at the number 10 slot. Not an impressive list – less than half were starters as I remember.
I was impressed with this year’s draft, particularly in trading 2 picks for a number 1 next year. Scotty must know his job is on the line, and thus it took integrity to make that trade – to do what he thought was best for the team altough it will shortchange the team in the short run.
by FanBelge on May 12, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well hell he's my madden coach for the niners
can’t do it….can’t win wit’ ‘em….can’t play wit’ ‘em….can’t do it.
but in all seriousness , i’m still not sold on Mike Singletary as head coach of my beloved niners, simply because i think we would of fell in love with anyone who was plus 500 with that team after the long overdue firing of MIKE NOLAN.
in a perfect world, mike holmgren would be head coach and mike singeltary defensive coordinator and assistant coach.
maybe we jumped the gun on tagging mike as HEAD COACH, but the team needed some direction and guidance at the time. maybe Mike Holmgren will wait to come back home.
camp.athlete
by camp.athlete on May 14, 2009 6:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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