Niners Sack Tracker 2008
FOOCH'S NOTE: I thought this was a very solid piece and definitely worth opening up for greater discussion. It's lengthy, but down at the end grantmp has put together some impressions and questions for folks to answer. Definitely worth checking out.
This is a breakdown and analysis of the situations in which the Niners got their sacks in the 2008 season. Overall, the team was ranked 16th in the league with 30 sacks. As you’ll notice below, I’ve only documented 22, so obviously I’ve missed some. Let me know where and when, and I’ll add them to this post down the line. My methodology here was the following:
1) search through the game play-by-play recaps for times when the Niners got a sack
2) look up that instance in the game in question
3) Note the time, down and distance
4) Analyze the offensive and defensive formations including the Niners’ personnel
5) Describe the play as it developed
6) Explain why it happened beyond all the flying bodies—i.e. assign praise or blame.
The reason why I wanted to do this was because I wanted to have something other than a nebulous sense of who did what in terms of rushing the passer in the 2008 season—I plan on making this a tradition.
I know this is a ridiculously long post, but it did take some effort, so I’ve left some thoughts I was left with to the bottom of the post in the hopes that people will read my analysis, which gives the reasoning for my thoughts (since I won’t at the bottom). If you disagree with me, you’ll have to do the digging, because I’ll likely have a comeback. I appreciate the rec’s and the votes in the poll, but I’m most interested in having a good and informed conversation about the Niners pass rush in 08 and looking forward.
Let’s dive in!
Week 1 vs. Arizona
1st Q 0.20 Smith/Haralson
Setting: 3rd & 6, Arizona 30 yard line: Arizona in 4 WRs tight, rb left shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green down (Left to Right) 1 LB, 6 DBs
Harris blitzes from his NB spot, Green drops into coverage, Haralson stunts inside while Smith sets the right edge
Good pressure overall, Smith and Haralson converge after Warner scrambles into Smith's path in order to avoid Haralson, who comes relatively free.
2nd Q 6.49 Haralson
Setting: 3rd &6, SF 40 yard line: Arizona in Trips Bunch Left, rb right, flanker right, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green down, 1 LB, 6 DBs
Straight rush, Haralson runs a wide bend around Levi Brown, falls behind Warner, who backs into his arms in an effort to evade McDonald's pressure
A coverage sack. McDonald was getting facemasked/held for most of the play, but still got pressure (after a while).
3rd Q 9.01 Haralson
setting: 3rd & Goal: Arizona in 3 WR singleback set
Green, Smith, McDonald, Haralson, 2 LBs, 5 DBs
Haralson runs the corner again, flat-out beats Leonard Pope; Warner looking left the whole way--a classic sack out of the Nickel Defense
Good coverage (Roman, Harris, and Clements on Boldin and Fitzgerald), but Warner didn't have time
Week 2 vs. Seattle
4th Q 1.23 M. Lewis
3rd & 16, Seattle 35 yard line: Sea in 3WR Singleback
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green, M.Lewis and Harris at NB, Willis at MLB (6 DBs)
Green drops into coverage, Willis and Lewis blitz, Hasselbeck takes a deep drop looking left, Smith sets the right edge, Lewis runs all the way around the pocket and sacks Hasselbeck
Lewis came fairly free and Hasselbeck didn't have time to get to his second read.
Week 3 vs. Detroit
1st Q 6.30 Smith
3rd & 6 Det 9 yard line: Det in Trips Bunch Left, rb right, flanker right
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green, 1LB, 6 DBs
Haralson takes an inside rush after McDonald runs a stunt over the LT, meanwhile Smith beats his man (Raiola) with a power rush to a spin move, glides through the trash, knocks the ball out and plants Kitna
Excellent pressure overall; McDonald would've had Kitna if Smith hadn't. The only downside was that the Lions recovered and punted well out of the end zone
2nd Q 4.58 R. Green
3rd & 4 SF 52 Yard Line: Det in Singleback, 2 TEs
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green, 1 LB, 6 DBs
Straight rush, good pressure up the middle, Kitna scrambles to his left after Smith collapses the pocket coming in from that side, gets cut off by McDonald, Green cleans up the play
Good coverage, but Smith's pressure forced Kitna to scramble. Props to McDonald and Green for not quitting on the play. It looked like Kitna had an angle on getting back to the line of scrimmage, but McDonald beat him to the sideline and forced him into Green's waiting arms.
3rd Q 5.22 R. Green
3rd & 10 Det 33 yard line: Det in 3 WR (2 tight right, 1 split left), 2 RB shotgun
Haralson, Smith, McDonald, Green, 2 LBs (Spikes, Willis), 5 DBs
Straight rush, Green runs the corner around the LT, flushes Kitna to the right side and chases him down for the sack.
The coverage was good, and Smith got decent pressure despite being double-teamed, but this one belongs to Green and his speed.
4th Q 2.00 Haralson
1st & 10, SF 30 yard line, Det in 4 WR, RB left, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green, 1 LB, 6 DBs
Haralson runs right around the RT (Cherilus, looking like a rookie), forces Kitna up into the pocket and takes him down. Cherilus pretends he was supposed to be blocking down. Green had the other edge covered, so Kitna had nowhere to go.
Haralson's all the way.
Week 5 vs. New England
1st Q 1.35 Haralson/Banta-Cain
3rd & 4, SF 45 yard line, NE in singleback, TE right, two WR left, one WR right
McDonald, Haralson, Smith, Banta-Cain, Willis all in there with 5 DBs; only Smith had his hand on the ground—lots of shifting pre-snap, but ultimately the 4 DL were as listed, and Willis was in coverage.
Haralson broke through the line running between Smith and McDonald and forced Cassel to his right (Banta-Cain ran behind Haralson, also through the line). Haralson chased him down him along with Banta-Cain.
Definitely a pressure sack; Cassel wanted to get rid of the ball to a dump-off player in the flat, but had no time to look downfield. It looked like an offensive run play with Haralson busting through the line like a FB and Banta-Cain running behind him. The motion also seemed to confuse the NE O-Line, as the Tackles didn’t really end up blocking anyone. McDonald kept contain on Cassel’s right side which gave him nowhere to go. This one is all Haralson in terms of the sack. Banta-Cain only got there after it Cassel was in the grasp.
2nd Q 6.02 McDonald
3rd & 6, SF 12 yard line, NE in 4 WR, RB right, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Banta-Cain, Willis and 6 DBs
Smith is the first one to dent the pocket about 5 yards upfield, and just as he does, McDonald sheds his man. Cassel tries to scramble right, but Haralson keeps contain on Cassel’s right side, forcing Nick Kaczur back into Cassel who can’t avoid McDonald, who’s free by now to make the sack. Another pressure sack that Cassel had little time to play with. Funny that there were 3 guys on top of Cassel by the end (TBC, McD, and Haralson) when Smith’s pressure was what forced Cassel into being a ballcarrier rather than a QB.
2nd Q 0.20 Smith
3rd & 6, SF 10 yard line, NE in 4 WR, RB left, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Banta-Cain, Willis, 6 DBs
Haralson gets upfield and forces Cassel to reload by jumping just as he wanted to throw to Moss on the right sideline; Cassel steps up, and Smith grabs him—this was actually negated by a penalty.
3rd Q 14.56 Sopoaga
1st & 10, NE 21 yard line, NE in Singleback, 2 TE left, 2 WR right
Smith, Sopoaga, Franklin, McDonald in a 4-man line, Spikes, Willis and Haralson and 4 DB’s
Nickel CB blitz from Cassel’s right side (no effect) Haralson drops into coverage as Cassel looks left. Cassel doesn’t get to his second read, as Sopoaga breaks around the guard like a DE after Smith twists inside of him. McDonald was right around the ball too, preventing Cassel from scrambling to his right.
3rd Q 9.12 Willis
3rd & 8, SF 40 yard line, NE in 4 WR (3 right, 1 left), RB left, shotgun
Banta-Cain, McDonald, Smith, Haralson, Willis, M.Lewis on the line showing blitz, and 5 other DBs
Niners show blitz and bring 5 guys (TBC, McD, Smith, Har98 and Willis—Lewis goes up to jam the RB). Cassel gets a beat to throw, but when he goes to his second read, Haralson breaks through the line with a FANTASTIC swim move after stunting inside between TBC and McD and nearly sacks him. Cassel breaks out of the tackle and scrambles right but only to meet up with PWilly.
Week 8 vs. Seattle
3rd Q 4.03 Lawson
1st & 10 Sea 40 yard line, Sea in I-Form, 2 WR (1 left, 1 right)
Sopoaga, Franklin, Smith (3-man line), Lawson, Spikes, Willis, Haralson, 4 DBs
Seattle runs play-action to roll-out right for Wallace. Lawson is running to Wallace’s right with a TE (Carlson). When Wallace sees noone open, he steps out of bounds just behind the line. No actual tackle—it’s a stat sheet sack and a coverage sack that Lawson earned by covering his man rather than attacking the quarterback. Sopoaga did get pressure that may have forced Wallace into rolling the play right rather than it being designed to go that way.
Week 11 vs. St. Louis
1st Q 6.30 Lawson
1st & 10, St. Louis 20, St. Louis in Singleback, 4WR (3 bunch left, 1 right)
Balmer, Fields, Smith, (3-man line) Lawson, Spikes, Willis, Haralson, 4 DBs
Lawson and the 3 linemen rush. Bulger gets good time to throw, but feels like the pocket is closing in from the right after Balmer keeps contain and then drops in when he’s about parallel with Bulger, Bulger steps up in the pocket and goes down. Lawson pushes the Tackle (Pace) back, and then also drops in when he sees Bulger stepping up, and is the first guy there to touch him down.
2nd Q 7.42 Harris
1st & 10, St. Louis 40, St. Louis in Singleback, 4 WR (2 right, 2 left)
Sopoaga, Franklin, Smith, (3-man line), Lawson, Spikes, Willis, Banta-Cain, 4 DBs
St. Louis runs a play-action end-around where WR (Looker) looks to throw it downfield but gets tripped up when Harris comes in from his LCB spot. Actually quite a good play by Harris, since he was about 5-10 yards downfield at the snap. When he saw Looker get the ball, he was looking to put a lick on him—he caught him about 3 yards behind the line.
2nd Q 2.13 M. Lewis
2nd & 2, SF 43, St. Louis in 3 WR (2 left, tight, 1 wide right), 1 TE, 1 RB right, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, TBC, Willis, M. Lewis on the line (at ROLB)
TBC drops into coverage and 5 guys rush (Lewis, Haralson, McDonald, Willis and Smith). Lewis blitzes, beats the pass-blocking RB and drops Bulger fully 10 yards behind the line. Bulger had no time to throw—an impressive play by Lewis. Neither the tackle nor the TE took a shot at Lewis (both blocked down), so he had good momentum by the time he was in the backfield and he just overwhelmed the blocker to take down the QB
3rd Q 9.43 Haralson
3rd & 6, SF 42 yard line, SF in 4 WR (1 left, 3 right), RB right, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green (4-man line), Willis, Spikes 5 DBs
Niners rush 4, a big pocket opens up, but good coverage forces Bulger to hold on too long. Haralson bent the corner very wide, but finally swum past him, pursued Bulger (who was looking left) from the back and made the sack. Willis was right there as well when the RB stayed back in to block.
Week 12 vs. Dallas
3rd Q 1.36 Lawson
1st & 10, SF 27 yard line, Dallas in 3 WR (2 left, 1 right), 1 TE, RB left, shotgun
Sopoaga, Fields, Smith (3-man line), Lawson, Spikes, Willis, Haralson and 4 DBs
Niners blitz 6 and when the LT blocks down, the RB (Barber) tries to go low on Lawson. Lawson corrals Romo for an 8 yard sack.
This was an example of what you want to happen when blitzing actually happening. Lawson got a free run because the line was worried about the rest of the guys, Barber threw a pretty weak block, and Lawson made no mistake.
Week 13 vs. Buffalo
3rd Q 2.39 Haralson
1st & 17, Buffalo 25 yard line, Buffalo in 4 WR (2 right, 2 left), RB left, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green (4-man line), Willis, 6 DBs
Niners rush 4. Haralson tries unsuccessfully to turn the corner on the RT, ends up 10 yards up-field. When Losman steps up after having plenty of time to throw, Haralson chases him down from behind before Losman can get up to the line of scrimmage. Either a coverage sack, or a JP-Losman-sucks sack. Good hustle by Haralson, though, to come back downfield after being driven (what looked like) out of the play.
4th Q 5.56 Green
3rd & 4, SF 20 yard line, Buffalo in 3WR (2 right, 1 left), 2 RB, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green (4-man line), Willis, Spikes, 5 DBs
Green stunts inside, but is shut off by the guard initially. Losman again doesn’t get rid of the ball and when he steps up toward the line of scrimmage, Green is there along with 4 other Niners. Looks to be another coverage sack/Losman suckitude sack. Good job by the LBs to shut down any last second outlets for Losman.
4th Q 1.42 Smith
2nd & 10, Buffalo 19 yard line, Buffalo in 4 WR, RB right, shotgun
Haralson, McDonald, Smith, Green(4-man line), Willis, 6 DBs
Same play as the last sack. Niners rush four, McDonald beats his man and forces Losman to his left, Green stunts inside after Smith drives his man outside (into Green’s area). Losman slides to his left in order to avoid McDonald, enters Smith’s area and Smith sheds the Guard sacks Losman. The key to the play was McDonald’s pressure; he beat his man, which never allowed Losman to get comfortable in the pocket. Smith did well to shed his blocker, though, and it this sack pretty well sealed the Bills fate in the game.
Player-specific impressions
- Smith is an absolute work horse. He probably isn’t the most skilled pass rusher in terms of his repertoire, but he is very powerful and gives you everything you want out of a Nickel/Dime DT and a 3-4 DE. Never gives up on the play and is very powerful.
- McDonald’s play was underrated, I think. Although he only ended up with 1 sack all year, he was in on a lot of the plays I looked at, and he caused quite a bit of pressure, leading to sacks for others. Obviously his strength isn’t like Smith’s but he is quick off the snap and sheds blocks quite well. This is a place where they could stand to upgrade—and RJF may be that guy—but you could definitely do worse than to have McDonald back, assuming that he’s healthy.
- Haralson displays good quickness off the line and around the corner, and there are many instances cited above where he got the sack with hustle rather than flat-out talent. He occasionally bends the corner too wide and gets pushed out of the play entirely, but he’s a guy I like quite a bit going forward.
- Roderick Green did get the occasional sack, but in general, if there were few plays in which I saw him contributing for other players in the way McDonald did. He doesn’t seem to play to his size—despite the fact that he’s a couple inches taller than Haralson, he looks small out there. The Niners had him drop into coverage a few times when he was lined up on the D-Line, so that may be skewing my perspective on him but he did the opposite of jumping off the screen for me. He did set the edge helpfully on some of these plays, preventing the QB from scrambling. If I recall correctly, Green won’t be back. I’d add that if he is back, it’s not a good sign.
- TBC began getting into games in Week 5 (@ NE), and generally did not impress. He looked like he was trying, but as though he didn’t have the athletic talent or pass rushing skill to really be any kind of force. The half-sack he was credited for was all Haralson’s work. Not to say that he was an absolute liability, but I’m not sad to see him back with the Pats.
- Lawson was given VERY few opportunities to rush the passer. From what I saw, he was never lined up as a DE in the Nickel and Dime packages, which suggests that the Niner coaching staff was far from convinced that he can come into that role and contribute. Some of that may have changed with Nolan being gone, and with his knee being fully healthy, but I’m not sure what to say. The sack against the Cowboys was good, but not great because Barber did a poor job in trying to block him. The biggest difference will come if and when Lawson takes over the Rod Green/TBC role as the 2nd Nickel/Dime DE. He shows good quickness, but he is really high cut so I’m not sure he’ll have the leverage to be a force as a pass rusher. This is definitely a wait-and-see job.
- Neither Franklin nor Fields was a factor in rushing the passer.
- Patrick Willis was seldom assigned the task of rushing the passer; he was more often assigned to the running back and went after the QB when the RB stayed in to block. Obviously when the QB becomes a RB, Willis goes after him with reckless abandon, but he’s not exactly a polished pass rusher.
- M. Lewis was actually quite impressive. He did a good job as a blitzer, and never whiffed when he got a chance to take the QB down (at least when I looked). It’d be interesting to see what he’d be like as a quasi NB/LB in a dime package, because his judgment is so good for sniffing out run plays.
Play-Calling Impressions
- It was interesting to note that on the plays when the Niners got a sack, very few of them actually came by way of the blitz—especially on 3rd down. The vast majority of the time, the Niners rushed 4.
- What was more effective was when a D-Lineman would drop into coverage and the NB would blitz from the other side. They ran this play a few times of the set I watched, and often the unbalanced line threw the O-Line for a loop and gave the edge guy a free run to the QB while the opposite tackle stood around blocking nobody. If the Niners do stick with the 3-4, these seem to be the kind of plays that are most likely to be effective, since the odd angles from which these blitzes come are what do the most to confuse QBs.
- The most effective group for running twists and stunts was Haralson, Smith and McDonald. When Rod Green or TBC was involved, the twist did nothing to get pressure, generally speaking.
So, some questions:
Do you think the Niners’ sack total will go up or down in 2009?
How much of a difference will the switch of Mark Roman for Dashon Goldson make (assuming that switch becomes permanent)?
Do you think the Niners will regret not picking up Everette Brown in round 2?
Is there someone you’re excited to see rush the passer in 2009?
And, finally, vote in the poll:
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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It all depends on Manny
I noticed that all three of Lawson’s sacks were on 1st and 10. I think he will be able to at least double that number if he is consitently rushing on 3rd down. So yes, the 49ers sack total will go up.
I was very high on Everette Brown because I can’t stand watching another year of the opposing QB standing in the pocket while the seconds tick by and our poor DBs are running circles around the field trying to cover the WRs for what seems like eternity (about as long as this sentence). I think skipping Everette was a mistake, but I hope Manny proves me wrong.
by ShaunHillQB1 on May 19, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like manny
as a first and 10 pass rusher, and a 3rd and distance coverage guy. but like you said, I hope they rush him more often on 3rd down and drop a different guy into coverage to confuse the D. It could increase sack totals and turnovers, especially if the QB doesn’t see the other guy dropping to cover instead of Manny.
by Andrew Davidson on May 19, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
skipping everette
I love a 2010 first rounder more than Brown. I mean, it would’ve been nice to get a pass rush specialist, but at least the team is giving Manny a full blown chance at doing damage.
Besides, if we can land the BEST pass rusher in next year’s draft with one of our 2 first rounders, it will work out wonderfully.
by Andrew Davidson on May 19, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The flexibility that the two first round picks next year gives the Niners more value than Everette Brown.
Although I think it’s more on the shoulders of Harralson to provide more of the steady pass rush than Lawson. Lawson should be more versatile, in that he should be able to cover and rush. If Harralson can build off of last year than the need for a pass rushing OLB will have been way over blown. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Brooks get more time at OLB since the Niners drafted McKillop. I think between Lawson, Harralson and Brooks the potential is there for a pretty good OLB corp, they’re all still pretty young considering James Harrison didn’t do much until he was like 30.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on May 19, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the Niners’ sack total will go up or down in 2009?
I think it will more than definitely go up. They had a lot of youth playing in the front seven last season, from an experience stand-point. Outside of Smith and Franklin, the other guys are still kind of learning on the job. With Balmer supposedly getting into the rotation this year, it will definitely help keep guys like Sopoaga, Franklin, Smith, and McDonald a few extra snaps to catch their breath.
How much of a difference will the switch of Mark Roman for Dashon Goldson make (assuming that switch becomes permanent)?
I honestly don’t think it’ll make that much more of a difference, but of course, it’s kind of tricky. It appears that they got quite a few coverage sacks. I don’t remember where I previously read this, but Goldson is kind of a high and low kind of guy. He’ll definitely provide more highlights than Roman did, but he will probably also provide plenty of lowlights to go with them. I don’t necessarily know how that will affect the sack count other than him missing an assignment, thus allowing the QB to make a quicker decision.
Do you think the Niners will regret not picking up Everette Brown in round 2?
I don’t think they will, and I know for sure they would never admit it if they did. I was one of the biggest Brown supporters entering the draft, and while I still think he could have made a good 3-4 OLB, I like the prospect of a first rounder (even a late one) more than him. It just provides the team with so much flexibility for next offseason in terms of having two rookies from the first round AND a second rounder, or trading for players before the draft or even trading up in the draft if they wanted (not that I really like that idea that much).
Is there someone you’re excited to see rush the passer in 2009?
I’m definitely excited to see if Haralson can actually grow as a pass rusher and develop more of a technical approach instead of just trying to go around people. While I don’t know if I’d classify this as excitement, I’m interested to see how the team uses Lawson and how he responds. I, like grantmp, don’t envision him having much of an impact in the sacks department, especially if he has to stick his hand in the ground and rush with the four man line. I think he’s best suited for rushing from the base alignment, as it adds a bit of uncertainty to the thought process of the opposing tackles.
On a final note, I’m glad Smith turned out to be EXACTLY what many fans thought he would be. It’s not very often that happens in sports. Hopefully he continues being a force and being extremely effective at freeing up guys like Haralson.
by sfgfan on May 19, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this, however I do have a suggestion.
Maybe try breaking it down into a chart, rather than a list, it would make it easier to read and an easier format to fill out.
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on May 19, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that
I decided against it because categories would make it overly schematic. The details would get lost, and since time and space weren’t considerations for me in doing this, I decided that the ‘structure’ to my analysis—1) game 2) time and sack-man 3) field position, down, distance 4) offensive personnel and formation 5) defensive formation and personnel 6) what happened 7) summary and analysis—would suffice.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
adjustments
I just moved it to the front page. Also, I changed your impressions into bullet points. I think it reads better that way. Just a heads-up.
by Fooch on May 19, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sack Tracker
I think this article was well thought out and it had a great deal of logic applied to it. The writer was spot on with his comments regarding Justin Smith and his nonstop approach to the game. This guy never quits on a play and he makes things happen all around him.
Am looking forward to how RJF fits into this puzzle.
by Michael Budd on May 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, awesome article, I thought it was really well done. On the plays you watched, who were the ends primarily? It seemed to be Smith and McDonald early on, but at least one play had Balmer in; how did Balmer look? I’m really hoping he can come in and be dominant as a 3-4 end, he has great size for it.
One more question – this does a really great job of breaking down the sack highlights, but it would be interesting to see where the niners went wrong as well. Maybe as a suggestion for a future article, could you possibly break down what went wrong on some of the really bad run plays/pass plays against our defense? Who broke down in coverage, what our line was doing during the run plays, who was out of position? I like Smith, but I’m worried he’s not big enough to be a 3-4 end when it comes to run plays, and while he’s a beast when the QB drops back, I’m not sure how he is against the run
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 19, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bad plays
That’s a great idea. It will be time consuming (as this one was), but definitely worth it. What I’ll probably do is I’ll focus on game-breaking plays—i.e. ones that took the game out of reach or plays where the Niners gave up a lot of yards (like the long passes against the Cowboys, for example).
Any suggestions?
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I could help you with suggestions, but I live a little too far south to get televised games, so nothing really stood out to me. One other suggestion would be to group the stats in two groups: pre-Singletary and post-Nolan, so that we could maybe see if there were any improvements in players or schemes after Nolan was fired. But seriously great job with this, I really appreciate the time you put into it
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 20, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alignment, Balmer
All of the above alignments (for the Niners) are listed from left to right—i.e. I’ll list LDE (usually Haralson), LDT (usually McDonald), RDT (Smith), RDE (Green/TBC). Then I list the linebackers, and then the DBs. Likewise with the 1st & 10 (or non-Nickel/Dime) scenarios, I list the D-Line LDE-RDE, and the LB’s LOLB (Lawson)-Ted (Spikes)-Mike (Willis)-ROLB (usually Haralson).
Balmer was only in on one play that I tracked, and that seemed to be because the game wasn’t as tight. The Rams were getting owned. He looked fine—true to his responsibilities—but nothing spectacular on that play.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully I see a change in the scheme before the snap
More hovering with the safties and linebackers and appearing to blitz each down and send guys at the QB often. I do expect a lot of mixing it up and also a higher sack total.
Haralson 10 and Lawson 7
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 19, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually now that I think about the added weight, which I now view as dead weight!!
Manny Lawson may struggle yet again. I will say that I believe it’s needed to be an every down guy, to add the weight, but not form pb & j and (site decorum)
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 19, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
The way I see it: when you weigh around 240 and you’re going to be asked to put your hand in the mud, any additional mass in general could be good for you. Lawson doesn’t need his 4.40 speed to turn the corner. What he needs is to not be able to be pushed by the opposing linemen.
This is not to say that he shouldn’t gain muscle mass. I’m just saying that as long as it doesn’t hurt his overall performance, I don’t see anything wrong with gaining a little non-muscle weight. He’s almost always been one of the most active members of the team in terms of being around for extra workouts and such (as evidenced by him being one of only a handful of players or so to stick around and tackle the hill yesterday after practice).
by sfgfan on May 19, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
showing blitz vs. shifting randomly
It bears mentioning that on the play that Harris got beat deep against the Cowboys, it was because of exactly this tactic. Harris showed blitz and didn’t get himself set back up to cover the slot receiver. When that guy ran a fly, Harris was a step behind him and that was all that was needed for the big play. In other words, it can be effective, but it has its dangers ,especially against a well-disciplined offense. Of the sacks I tracked, only one of them involved a lot of pre-snap shifting. Showing blitz in a set alignment can be very effective.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have Harris do that because I know he cant get back
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 19, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grantmp
Where are you getting your footage from?
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on May 19, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ummmm NFL Rewind? If I were American, I would take the 5th.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Sopoaga?
How did he rate in the analysis of the line? His name seems to be conspicuously absent in the above discussion.
by jviet on May 19, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absent
The knock on Sopoaga has always been that he lacked the technique to be a true force. He has the strength and quickness, but that does very little good if you’re playing, basically, on the interior of the line. The 49ers have even admitted this and have tried to compensate by not forcing him into the NT spot (despite his size and strength playing to it). I understand he has some potential there, but I never quite understood why so many fans love this guy (not saying you do). I think he could be a solid 3-4 DE, but I doubt he’s anything like Justin Smith.
by sfgfan on May 19, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my apologies
I knew there would be some oversights. Sopoaga didn’t play much in the Nickel/Dime packages, which is why he wasn’t on the tip of my brain. When he was in there, he generally looked good-particularly (of course) on the play where he got the sack. He shed his blocker and earned the sack. He does play to his height/weight numbers; but the sample size is pretty small to make firm judgments on him, though.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take a first round pick over Brown any day..
..Even if it was the last one. 2 first rounders next year means the roster could have serious depth for years to come.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The 9ers had Brown rated as a 3rd rounder.
Which is why they passed on him. Not sure why other than the height issue, but maybe he wasn’t as good in space as many of us thought.
by MontanaPass on May 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
California Dreamin'
Nice dreamin’ guys. But I actually WATCHED the defense last year, and suffered through too many third downs when we gave the game away. I guess you were all getting another beer at the time, or closing your eyes in disgust and plugging your ears and holding your nose. But, well, I actually watched. And they sucked.
So without some radical changes that WORK, or a big move made before the season starts, you had all better plan on getting beers during third downs again this season.
As far as the 30 sacks, listen, if a team passes and passes with constant success the defense has more chances to make sacks occasionally and get to 30. So what? We still got burned more often than we stopped their offense. . . .Look at the scores the other offenses ran up against us. The only times we held teams to under 20 were if they were one of the worst offenses in the league (Rams, Bills, Seahawks w/o Hassleback) or if we played against Farve with his bicep hanging off his arm. Every other game we got scorched.
I sure do wish you guys would wake up to the fact that we need more help than we got in FA or the draft . For us to have any chance at all at a playoff game this year something radical will need to happen. . . . . You all love that we have two number ones next year? Well, fine. But without Everette Brown THIS YEAR we will have to wait a LONG LONG time before we set things straight.
I too would love to believe Goldson (if healthy) is the answer at safety, or Reggie, or that our 7th round pick will end up being the steal of the draft. But frankly, we need help at safety, at CB if Walt Harris doesn’t return to a younger version of himself, and we especially need one big super dude pass rusher, which Everetter Brown surely may become. I highly doubt Manny can, tho I love the guy. But a super stud pass rusher? No. And if Brown does become a super stud as Carolina seems to think he will (they traded a 1 for him after all) it’s going to make this trade look insane before the season is over. Either thier scouts are way off, or ours are. We shall see. But from where I sit (watching too many blown third downs every game) I would have gladly taken that chance and picked him up at 2.
by Since79 on May 19, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks
we didn’t hold them under 20 last season. Not that I remember anyway.
They had atleast 20 by half time in both games. Didn’t they?
by Andrew Davidson on May 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
..I'm not ruling out
Trading a pick for a qualified F/A, but there really isn’t much out there? The odds of Brown being a super stud, and us finding another one, that is as good or better, with 2 1st rounders next year, is a gamble I would take. Brown is going to have to pile up[ the #’s this season, and next season, over whoever we get, to make it more valuable, as a btteing man, I would not take that bet.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trading the #1
That seems the most likely scenario to me. People are going to want to shed salary in this economy, so having that #1 in our pocket is a fantastic trading chip.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Problem is. . . .
Everyone has different ideas about what to do with these two number ones: Trade both for a QB. Trade up for the best pass rusher. Get the best safety. The best Olineman.
We can only do one of three things:
1. Be so bad we end up with a top three pick. The way things are going this offseason that is a distinct possibility. Working against that: We play some really awful teams that even if we are awful on a given Sunday we should beat.
2. Use both 1s to MAYBE trade up for the best of one of the above. But then we’d have to wait for round 2 for our second pick. OPr trade it away and have everyone get super excited about 2011 or 2012.
3. Get two good first round players none of which might be huge impact players in the first year or ever.
I really don’t get why everyone is so excited to get two 1st rounders next year while giving up Everette Brown to do it. It seems totally crazy to me. It’s like, a starving man passing up a great meal because tomorrow he MIGHT be able to eat a french meal by a famous chef. Ever hear of greed? That’s greed to me. Or how about Beggars can’t be choosy?
I think we got ripped off. And it could set us back at least a year or two even if we didn’t.
by Since79 on May 19, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree..
..obviously, If you’ve been a fan since ‘79, then you must realize how important depth becomes for a team trying to be a playoff contender year in and year out. I commend Scott for making this move, and putting his job in jeopardy, he chose the team over himself. I used to question if this guy could make the leap from suit, to having a football mind. I though he got sincerely, lucky with this years first 2 picks, and did the very he best he could with the rest. Agian, I agree this is my opinion, but I have to trust my gut. And Julius Peppers is not going to get the money he wants from the 49ers, becuase, right now they are looking at having to pay 2 first round picks next year.
I don’t think we got ripped off, I think we got really lucky, really really lucky, I think Crabtree is the solution to this team, believe it or not, we got a QB who can read defenses, Shaun hill, to go with a bunch of recievers, who like to like up the yac’s, including our tight ends, remember Brent Jones, he was awesome. If we get 2 players next year and one of them out performs brown, then it was worth it. Considering He fell all the way to the 2nd round, already tells me, he is a step behind, he must of interviewed with a lot of teams, when it comes to defense, between Singletary and Manusky, iof they felt like he was 3rd round talent, then I have to trust them.
Today there were 2 picks by the defense and 3 turnovers, and Singletary, made no quotes of “losing a day”. I have to believe coaching, and conditioning is as big a part of football, as natural talent, but again, that’s just my opinion.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
All about the YACs. If we could just get the ball to VD than that is at least 10 yards. And I would say that if even Lawson gets more sacks than Brown that the trade was worth. Because if we traded, Brown would cut into Lawson’s sacks.
by iaalexeeff on May 19, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or was Lawson..
..on Nolan’s **itlist, last year? However, He will definitely have to have a career year, or he will be replaced by one of our 1st round picks next year.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is make or break, yeah
What I was surprised by was the fact that he didn’t even appear in 1 Nickel/Dime play of those I watched. That just seemed really surprising to me.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
..especially with his size and speed?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
… there has been some said about the coaching staff not being convinced Lawson was 100% after his ACL injury. It’s not like Singletary magically put him in the passing downs automatically, either.
by sfgfan on May 20, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
3. Get two good first round players none of which might be huge impact players in the first year or ever.
Impact players are found throughout the draft, even outside of the draft. So for you to suggest that the Niners can’t find one in the mid to late first round is absolutely absurd.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on May 25, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either thier scouts are way off, or ours are. We shall see.
on the KNBR, interview McClueless actually stated Brown is more suited to being a 4-3 end than a 3-4 OLB because of stiff hips & an inability to rush the passer standing up. Carolina plays a 4-3, no?
so it could be a matter of EB being a 3rd round grade in the 49ers version of the 3-4 and a 1st round grade in Carolina’s version of the 4-3.
(knbr’s site seems to be down right now so i can’t link to it, but if my memory is correct, it’s the one he did with Ralph & Tom a few days ago.)
by the evil monkey on May 22, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
30 sacks
8.5 Parys Haralson total: 8.5
7.0 Justin Smith 15.5
3.5 Roderick Hood 19.0
3.0 Manny Lawson 22.0
2.0 Michael Lewis 24.0
1.0 Aubrayo Franklin 25.0
1.0 Walt Harris 26.0
1.0 Ray MacDonald 27.0
1.0 Isaac Sopoaga 28.0
1.0 Takeo Spikes 29.0
1.0 P-Will 30.0
Hope this helps. If I get a chance I’ll look at the replays/highlights to find the
by iaalexeeff on May 19, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rest of the sacks that you didnt get
by iaalexeeff on May 19, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roderick Green
My bad. Maybe Roderick Hood could get 3.5 sacks for the 2009 sack tracker if he comes to the Bay
by iaalexeeff on May 19, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn't the problem be Manusky's scheme??
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on May 19, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I 've got 2 reasons..
1.Nolan
2.Martz
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on May 19, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well written
very impressed, I like this type of analysis.
If I lived on the west coast where they actually broadcasted Niner games and had TiVo I wouldn’t do anything but this
by foosball4949 on May 19, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sopoaga
Ice had 41 tackles and a sack last season and was instrumental in our improved defense against the run. His stats are superior to those of Ty Warren and Singletary has him listed right now as the starter at LDE. We’ve taken the time to develop him and now that he’s in his prime, let’s reap the rewards of our patience. He can play.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on May 20, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone remember Jay Moore?
He’s been on IR the last two years, but he was drafted as a pass rusher because of his incredibly quick first step and his size(6-4,256). He was great in the Senior Bowl that year. My guess is that if he manages to stay healthy, he will be expected to contribute this year in a situational substitution role. Between Lawson, Haralson, and Moore, I think the situation will improve somewhat, but what would really help is bringing in a stud NT who can occupy that extra offensive lineman so Willis can attack the pocket instead of locking up on OGs. And more zone blitzes!
by MontanaPass on May 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not sold
He was a guy that was definitely on the cut-side of the bubble last year. I guess he could be a practice squad player, but I think his career has been prolonged by being on IR. I hope I’m wrong about him.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 20, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch will have...
… something to say about that!
by sfgfan on May 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JAY MOORE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!
That subject line was most definitely worth all-caps.
Less than two months into this site (February 2007), I posted a scouting report on him. I had seen him in the Senior Bowl and was instantly enamored. Needless to say, there’s a fairly good chance you’ll see him on my 53-man roster projections. It’s sad but true. Until he is cut by this team, I’ll be convinced he can be a solid pass rush option.
by Fooch on May 20, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like I say
I hope I’m wrong. Remind me—what were his injuries again? High ankle sprain and what? It just seemed like if the team was that enamored of him, they would’ve kept his roster spot open for him rather than shutting him down right away.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 20, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
Considering he was no only injured, but also trying to pick up a new position, it’s possible the 49ers wanted him to learn without pressuring him back. I don’t know what to make of Moore. Then again, if the coaching staff saw enough potential in him, they could have PUP’d him and then activated him part of the way through the season.
by sfgfan on May 21, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More presurre from the DB's
I would like to see more pressure coming from the secondary. Spencer had a lot of success coming off the corner, blindside blitzes. It will help the OLB’s as well.
I agree with the above comment of Haralson getting too deep. I wonder if it had to do with playing in practice against 11 step drops?
by goatfather on May 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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