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ESPN Early Summer NFL Power Rankings

Over at ESPN they're working on composite NFL power rankings, scheduled to run at some point next week.  In the meantime, Mike Sando spent the last couple days working on what he would submit for the rankings.  I'm running around a bit today so I wanted to at least get this up for people's thoughts on what he's submitted for the rankings.

7. Arizona Cardinals
19. San Francisco 49ers
20. Seattle Seahawks
29. St. Louis Rams

In his discussion of the 49ers he pointed out how the QB situation has dragged the team down in terms of national perception.  He felt his vote was more a show of respect to Shaun Hill.

I'm curious to see where the composite leaves the 49ers next Tuesday.  In the meantime, thoughts on these rankings?  Given the potentially shaky running game down in Arizona, are the Cardinals overrated here?  I realize they could end up with a very solid running game, but they're still rolling the dice with youngsters.

The Rams position near the bottom is no surprise.  However, the 49ers and Seahawks being so close would indicate a toss-up and the fact that he's unsure what will happen with those two.  He raised a good question about the Seahawks: Was it just one bad season for an otherwise decent team, or was it the beginning of the end?

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The NFC West after the first turn

Oct 2009 by Fooch - 21 comments

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4-12

with close losses is still 4-12. I can’t see a season being 4-12 just because of injuries and the final year of a HC.

Arizona ranked 7 is probably a bit overrated, but not much. I’d put them at 10 for argument’s sake.

San Francisco at 19 makes sense, and I’m glad they aren’t darlings in the top 15 or anything. My rankings would go like this:

Arizona 10
San Francisco 18
Seattle 25
St. Louis 30

by Andrew Davidson on May 21, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Arizona is ranked a bit high, but I think having Seattle and San Francisco really close is pretty accurate. I think those two teams will be duking it out big time for second in the division if Arizona continues from where they left off last year.

by sfgfan on May 21, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold

on Seattle returning to such prominence (although second in the NFC West isn’t much prominence). Their secondary was terrible last season, and adding Ken Lucas doesn’t solve the 32nd pass defense. They’ve added a couple of DTs, and have a solid LBs corps, but their O-Line isn’t all that and Hasselbeck is finally on the wrong side of 30 (as in his age is finally catching up to him with injuries).

I don’t see them being a good team. I want to say “don’t forget about Seattle, they could creep up”, but I can’t. Ofcourse, the 49ers are no locks for second place, but I feel the power running game is what will separate the 49ers from the not-so-good teams in the West.

by Andrew Davidson on May 21, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the potentially shaky running game down in Arizona, are the Cardinals overrated here? I realize they could end up with a very solid running game, but they’re still rolling the dice with youngsters.

Rookie RB are extremely productive. In many cases their first season is usually one of their more productive football years. Beanie Wells isn’t going to be on the bench with diaper.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He might be

In an offense like the Cardinal’s he might not get too many opportunities.
Maybe in the redzone or in the 4th quarter (if they are leading).

Don’t forget that Beanie is very similar to Hightower in his running style….the only difference is that Hightower can catch passes out of the backfield.

by chikmagnet_565 on May 21, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinal's offense

The Cards know they were extremely that Warner was able to play all 20 games last season. If I’m not mistaken, they’ve gone into this offseason with the mindset that they must develop a solid run game, because they may not get lucky twice. I fully expect them to run a lot more than they have in the past (you don’t use a first round pick on a RB and not have some focus on him).

by sfgfan on May 21, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s like saying Coffee is very similar to Gore. Notice that one is far superior to the other?

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cannot disagree...

with the niners position in these extremely premature rankings. Its easy for the media to cast off Shaun Hill, but i believe the guy can get it done for us. He may be a bit sloppy, but after his run for the first down marker without a helmet against Arizona on MNF, i was a believer, lol.

by st. francisco on May 21, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

plus

reading Kirwan’s ranking (he had the Niners 28th) is quite ridiculous. I think the old guy’s lost his marbles.

by Andrew Davidson on May 21, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those guys are idiots.

Watching the Analysts of the NFL at work is like watching Fox news report something.
I say you get much better analysis with the local guys. You know, the guys who actually know something about the team.

by goatfather on May 21, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Those idiots are just trying to please the bigger fanbases.

by chikmagnet_565 on May 21, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

28th is obsurd...

With Singletary’s guidance, this team is easily a favorite to win the division, for what thats worth at least…

by st. francisco on May 21, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe SF can win the NFC West with ease, if they play to their potential. The team has talent, but has slacked and lost games because of mental mistakes and attention to detail. I think Singletary will ensure these parts of the game are addressed and will add a few W’s for us. 9-7 or 10-6 is a winner for this division. If the Cards can do it, we can do it.

by st. francisco on May 22, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe SF can win the NFC West with ease, if they play to their potential

You can say this about almost ANY team in the NFL. There are tons of potential on plenty of teams, as it’s not like teams look to build losers (unless you’re the Lions). The thing that separates good teams from bad teams is the discrepancy between players that realize their potential and players that don’t.

by sfgfan on May 22, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or we could have traded for Jay Cutler or Matt Cassel and ended any doubt...

That might have ended any doubt of our quarterback issue affecting our power rankings. We will not be taken seriously until we show that we are serious about being taken seriously. Thats right, read the statement again. We had some nice moves in the draft-some of which was dumb luck-but I’ll give some love to Scotty for trying to put a competitive team on the field.

Just give me one game-changing FA aquisition and I’ll get off the back of the Front Office. To me, we have managment that seems to make the excuse of “why not” on every single big name FA out there. And worse off, they have us believing in Shaun Hill and a sub .500 team as an upgrade. Don’t drink the cool-aid people.

Go get me us star! It’s just not that hard. People overcome challanges every day…

Right Fooch and SfGfan?

by Forttyner4life on May 21, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yada yada.

Name a “game changing” FA acquisition that the team actually had a shot at. Or better yet, how about somehow proving that you know the 49ers didn’t try to bring in Cutler? I’m not against signing big-name free agents, but it’s utterly ridiculous to think that every “big name” free agent is still good or even fits a team’s system.

by sfgfan on May 21, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back to facts...

The 49ers are sub .500 Bad…really…really bad for seven straight years. Justin Smith and Nate Smith hardley qualify for game breakers. In fact, Nate is absurdely over paid. So thanks for that witty comment ‘Dre’. And again ‘SFGfan" (let me say this really slowly) I don’t know that we didn’t try and get Cutler…I just know that we didn’t land him. That tells me we weren’t very creative. It is amazing to me that all you scoff at the notion that we’ve been led by a bunch of front office morons. That we’re going to miraculously bulid through the draft. Really?? When do you plan on actually winning? I want that NOW not two sesons from now. Where is the urgency from all the Niners Nation bloggers. All I can see is a bunch of you that want to sit on your hands and praise our team for securing draft picks-NEXT SESON. Who cares. Win now. You think the Heinz, Blank, and Gillette family would be content planning for 2010 before they get through 2009? No the bring in big name FA’s like Adielus Thomas and Randy Moss (Pats) and Tony Gonzolez and Micheal Turner (Falcons). And you rag on Dallas for going after FA’s-at least they finish above .500. Can’t fault Jones for that.

by Forttyner4life on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Build through the draft.

Picking up a lot big name FAs usually has disastrous effects on an up and coming team.

Look at where it has gotten the Redskins.

and BTW: The chiefs got Matt Cassell and they’re still considered one of the worst teams in the NFL.

by chikmagnet_565 on May 21, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what progress

would the team make if they kept throwing big money at “impact” FAs? The team has made a splash the past few offseasons, Nate Clements, Justin Smith… get ready to shudder… Jonas Jennings.

This year, we actually had a solid foundation, and didn’t need to make a big splash via free agency. Do you really want the team to dump a truck full of cash at Hayneworth’s feet? The contract he got was ridiculous. Do you think we should mortgage the future for a Julius Peppers?

We missed out on Jay Cutler, and Matt Cassel, but what’s wrong with having Shaun Hill and Alex Smith duke it out again? Or letting Shaun Hill start for that matter?

Next year’s draft is loaded with first round talent, and we have two, yes two, first round picks. We can address a game changing defensive stud, and a QB (if necessary). We have a lot of options ahead of us, going the FA route isn’t always the wisest.

by Andrew Davidson on May 21, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only...

… are there two first rounders, but the 49ers still have their second and third rounders as well.

by sfgfan on May 21, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I can’t wait to trade those 2nd and 3rd round picks next year.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't 2010 supposed to be a "deep draft class?"

Why acquire picks for a strong crop, only to then trade out of it?

by shlecko on May 21, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep or not...

… acquiring another #1 for the next year has to be an enticing option. I’m not saying the 49ers should do it, but if there’s an opening and they don’t like the player(s) they see in the second and/or third, I’d be completely fine with acquiring a #1 or #2 for the next year. It’s kind of what the Patriots have done the past few years, differing their draft picks to the next season if the guy(s) they want aren’t there.

by sfgfan on May 22, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona can't win the division this year.

If the New England Patriots cant overcome the superbowl losers curse and make the playoffs a year after going 16-0, then the 9-7 cardinals sure as hell wont.

I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

by these3words on May 21, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, it's that simple.

It’s not like New England’s division went from being one of the worst in football to housing 4 playoff-potential teams practically overnight.
It’s not like they lost their MVP and franchise QB in the first week of the season.

Your blanket statement is no less absurd, and holds no more validity than a palm-reader’s prediction that the Lions will finish 10-6 this year.

by shlecko on May 21, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say that....

There is a saying, and I’m paraphrasing terribly,

“Once is an occurance, twice is coincidence, three is a trend.”

Since the 1997 season, the New England Patriots (2008), Chicago Bears (2007), Philadelphia Eagles (2005), Carolina Panthers (2004), Oakland Raiders (2003), St. Louis Rams (2002), New York Giants (2001) and Atlanta Falcons (1999) have all lost in the Super Bowl and failed to make the playoffs the next season.

The lone Super Bowl losers to make the playoffs in the next season are the Seattle Seahawks (2006) and Green Bay Packers (1998).

Until proven otherwise, a team losing in the Super Bowl seems to severely hurt the chances for that team to make the playoffs the next year. It’s not an absurd statement, it is following a simple trend, nor it is as random as some crazy lady looking at my genetically-determined-since-pre-birth grooves on my hand telling me the worst team in NFL history will earn double digit wins.

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on May 22, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't see...

… how other team’s failures have to do with a current team possibly failing. I just don’t see how saying “because the Patriots failed to make the playoffs after going to the Super Bowl” justifies the Cardinals failing to make the Playoffs this year, especially in the NFC West. They, by far, have the best roster in the NFC West. Their defense may not be as deep or set as the 49ers, but their offense more than compensates for that shortcoming. The Cardinals have a question mark for their defense, but there’s little doubt that their offense is an “A” level offense (barring injury). The 49ers not only have a HUGE question mark on offense, but I’m willing to venture and say that their defense is also a question mark (thought it may not be a big one).

Basically, unless the 49ers and/or Seahawks have bounces fall their way more often than not, there is very little chance of either team taking the division. It’s not like the Cards are competing with the likes of the 2009 Dolphins and Jets. Heck, the last place team in the Patriots’ division had the same record as the second place team in the NFC West, and a full three wins more than the third place team in the NFC West.

by sfgfan on May 22, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Warner and Brady

Warner is need more for the cards success than Brady is for the pats. Cards don’t have a very good defense. They don’t have a run game to rely on. The pass. Pats passed a lot with Brady. But they didnt need to.

by iaalexeeff on May 22, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You’re not your team’s most valuable player for nothing. When your leading rusher rushed for under 800 yards, your team is a pass-first team. It’s somewhat silly to say that “Warner is more important because the Cardinals pass a lot,” and then say “the Patriots pass a lot, but they don’t have to.” If you’re implying the Patriots can run more with Morris and Faulk as their backs, the Cardinals should be ablet o run more with Hightower/James/Arrington.

by sfgfan on May 22, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling that the Niners

will win the division this year. Enough has changed in the last year, and mostly in a good way, that we would have to have some really bad luck, or another team would have to have some good luck with their recent acquisitions, for the Niners not to take the NFC West.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on May 21, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

9ers fortunes rest with the OL and pass rush.

Let’s face it, the two worst aspects of last year’s team were the pass rush and OL performance, especially at RT. Almost every team had the same game plan – put eight in the box and force the 9ers to demonstrate they have a passing game. In order to win, the 9ers have to prove they can throw the ball with success against a stacked box. Most successful teams can do this, but the 9ers have struggled, especially on 3rd downs in passing situations. The OL must demonstrate it can hold off opposing pass rushers and pick up blitzes so the QB can find a receiver. This is the only way to force defenses to respect the pass by moving a safety into coverage. Active TEs would help greatly, and the addition of Pascoe provides options.

On defense, the team will live or die with the pass rush. Without a good pass rush, teams will just sit back and pick us apart as their receivers eventually get open. An effective NT would help greatly by freeing up an ILB to pass rush, but that doesn’t appear to be in the cards this year. So that leaves individual effort from Manny, Parys, and hopefully, Jay Moore. And zone blitzes – if we’re going to play a 3-4 defense in a pass-happy division, much more zone blitzing must be done.

So that’s it, imho. It boils down to OL performance and the pass rush as the keys to the 9er’s fortunes this year.

As far as the other teams go, only the Cards are real competition for the 9ers this year. Their running game will be improved, and that was their major weakness on offense last year. They will be hard to beat if Warner stays healthy. Seattle is a joke waiting for the punch line, although Hasselbeck is a master of the WCO. Their OL is shaky at best, their RBs mediocre, and their secondary is full of short guys trying to defense big receivers with poor results. As for the Rams, I don’t think there’s going to be any kind of Atlanta resurgence in St. Louis – they just assembled a good 4-3 DL, which is difficult, and are now switching to a 3-4? They will remain a disaster area for a couple of years.

by MontanaPass on May 22, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Norris and Coffee should be able to help the O line

protect our QB in pass situations.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on May 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally

Finally, someone hasn’t forgotten that problem that has been killing us. Good note, MontanaPass.

by LASVEGASNINER on May 22, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ranks

beginning of the end for seattle.

by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jun 1, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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