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NFC West Position-by-Position: Running Backs

Last week the rest of the NFC West bloggers and I discussed the various quarterback situations in the division.  I gave the 49ers a B at the position and it certainly provoked some strong responses.  I certainly was not surprised by that and was happy to see some solid discussion about the position.

This week we move to the running back position.  The division has a mix of talent and potential across the board.  The Cardinals bring some serious young talent with a high ceiling.  The Rams are in good shape at the position behind Steven Jackson.  The Seahawks have a some decent talent at the position, but a bit less upside than the other teams.  And of course, the the 49ers are in good shape behind Frank the Tank.  After some discussion, we came to the following rankings (and yes a pair of ties):

1. San Francisco 49ers
1. St. Louis Rams
3. Seattle Seahawks
3. Arizona Cardinals

San Francisco 49ers
Blogger
: Fooch
I bounced back and forth on what grade to give the 49ers rushing attack.  On the one hand the 49ers run game ranked near the bottom of the league in rushing.  On the other hand, they've still got Frank Gore.  As the NFL has moved towards more two and three-back systems, the 49ers have struggled to find a running back to complement Frank Gore.  By himself, Frank Gore is an A+ running back.  He became the first 49ers running back ever to put together three straight 1,000 yard rushing seasons.  I think that says even more given the inept nature of the 49ers overall offense.  They've lacked consistency at quarterback and their offensive line has struggled mightily at times.  The best season for the offensive line happened to come in 2006 when Frank Gore set the 49ers single season rushing record.  And that was a 7-9 team with a second year Alex Smith at the helm.

The reason I'm knocking the 49ers down from an A is because of the rest of the rushing situation.  Similar to the Cardinals running backs, the 49ers RBs behind Frank Gore are based in large part of potential.  In an ideal situation, Gore is the main back, Glen Coffee puts on 10-20 pounds and is the short yardage "power" back and UDFA Kory Sheets is the speed back, a'la the Earth, Wind and Fire of the New York Giants.

The 49ers do have two other backs in camp, Michael Robinson and Thomas Clayton.  Michael Robinson was convered to running back from QB out of college and has found a niche in special teams more than anything else.  He is also available for Wildcat formations, which may go the way of the DoDo in the Jimmy Raye offense.

And then there's Thomas Clayton.  Clayton has been one of the top running backs in preseason play in each of his first two season, which naturally means the bandwagon filled up quickly for this guy.  However, he has yet to touch the field in regular season action and he was never offered a contract off the practice squad by another team.  If Kory Sheets shines in training camp, Clayton may be hitting the streets.

All things considered, I think the 49ers rushing attack will be markedly improved this season.  Frank Gore will still be Frank Gore, but the question will come down to whether some combination of Coffee/Sheets/Clayton steps up.  There is a lot of potential there, but none of them has proven a thing in the NFL regular season.  They're just as much the key to the 2009 offense as anything else.  Grade: B

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St. Louis Rams
Blogger: VanRam
He can run, he can catch a pass, he needs to work on his pass blocking a little bit. The Rams have a real playmaker in Steven Jackson, a guy so talented the new coaching regime is building the offense around him. Of course, they'd probably build the offense around a solid running game anyway, but Jackson gives them an edge. The biggest criticism pinned on Jackson in recent years is his seeming inability to play a full 16 games. That's not entirely fair. After a career year in '06, when he led the league in yards from scrimmage, Jackson missed four games in each of the next two season. However, the offensive line, or lack thereof, shoulders some of the blame for his bruised thighs and other ailments. He did nevertheless manage to crank out 1000 yard seasons in each of his last four. This year the Rams have significantly upgraded the line with the additions of C Jason Brown, drafting OT Jason Smith, and bringing in blocking specialists in FB Mike Karney and TE Billy Bajema, some are even calling it a team strength, with the stated goal of making Jackson and the run central their offensive philosophy.

Behind Jackson, the depth chart has some more question marks. They've got a speed guy in Antonio Pittman, but he didn't make much of his chance with Jackson out last year. Was it just the line? Kenneth Darby, an in-season pickup, has been a nice surprise and looks like a legit third down guy. Veteran Samkon Gado will get a shot in camp, and all eyes are anxious to see exactly what kind of back seventh round pick Texas product Chris Ogbonnaya can be outside of a Big 12 spread offense. There's just not enough known commodities behind Jackson to feel good about a replacement...at least not yet. The team will definitely looks to see who becomes a roster casualty when teams pare down their rosters.

I'd give the Rams an A if they had less of a question mark behind Jackson. Without that, they get a B.

Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan
Seattle's Julius Jones and TJ Duckett are just average rushers, maybe better, but that both are average, and that Jones can contribute as blocker and receiver, makes them together a bit above average -- just not "B" above average. Jones is the complete back. He has a little shake, a little second gear burst, some power, some cutting ability and above average vision. His speed is hard to determine. At Notre Dame he was a burner, but he no longer looks like much of a homerun threat. He is a very good, albeit stock receiver. He runs a pure rushing route tree: Outs, in, circles, flares, etc. He shouldn't motion into the slot and he won't dazzle with his receiving ability. He will secure the catch and redirect for run after the catch. So he's a steady, productive outlet receiver that can produce on screens.

Duckett is the interior thumper, but not in a traditional sense. He's not pure north-south and can be a bit picky behind the line. He's sort of a one-cut Earl Cambell, but worse. He blows through arm tackles, falls forward and excels at converting short yardage -- all the stock stuff -- but he also has impressive breakaway speed and some big-man moves. He was a workout warrior at Michigan State, and reportedly ran a 4.45 forty. That translates to good field speed. In his last two seasons, in just 127 attempts (mostly in short yardage), Duckett has a run of 29 yards, two of 32 yards and a 53 yard run in week 16 of 2007.

For reserves, Seattle has Justin Forsett, a tiny-powerback (think MJD) type that dominated in the 2007 preseason, but isn't very fast and isn't enough of anything else to tantalize, and Devin Moore, a rookie that isn't much more than a intriguing forty time right now. So no superstars or even superstars to be, but in the right offense, Jones and Duckett could power a very good rushing attack not unlike the Duckett/Dunn duo of the Jim Mora Atlanta Falcons. Grade: C

Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
Grading the Cardinals' running backs is difficult because their value is based on potential rather than actual NFL production. The trio of Chris "Beanie" Wells, Tim Hightower and Jason Wright have combined just eleven starts and less than 1,000 combined rushing yards at the NFL level. Jason Wright, an under the radar free agent acquisition, is the longest tenured (five seasons), but he's never logged more than three starts or 62 carries in a season. Tim Hightower, a fifth round pick from a year ago, has the most experience with his seven starts and 143 carries last year, but his 2.8 yards per carry is certainly nothing to brag about. The final member of this trio, Beanie Wells, will be asked play a significant role very early in his career and he's got the talent be a difference maker, but how quickly can he pick up an offense that is night and day from the power running game at Ohio State?

 While that may paint a bleak picture of the Cardinals depth at running back, there is some hope that this group can be more productive than the 2008 trio of Edgerrin James, Hightower and JJ Arrington. Wells has the talent to be more productive than the 30 year old Edge and Hightower has reportedly dropped about 15 pounds from his playing weight last year. While I'd love to grade this group based on potential, I'll swallow my homerism and try and give them an unbiased evaluation. Grade: D


So, do any of these jump out at you as over the top or even underrating their own team?

Poll
Who has the best RBs in the NFC West?
Arizona Cardinals
20 votes
St. Louis Rams
78 votes
San Francisco 49ers
795 votes
Seattle Seahawks
15 votes

908 votes | Poll has closed

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What the heck?

Someone voted for the cards? Huh? I didn’t realize they had a running game…

by Arkie49er on May 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

cards

Maybe the person really liked their potential? Was a bit surprised as well, although it could also just be someone from Revenge of the Birds.

by David Fucillo on May 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've never considered Gore to be an "elite" back.

He’s very good, sure…but I’d rank him somewhere around 10th in the league. However, our division doesn’t have an elite back outside of San Francisco, either.

I think it’s a toss-up between Gore and Jackson – Frank having the edge only because of a better line and an allegedly more stable offense.

by shlecko on May 22, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Not a toss up

I like Jackson’s running style better than Gore’s but Frank is overall a much better back.

by SportsChicken on May 22, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Jackson is an elite runner with no talent around him. Gore is very good but I think Jackson is a bit better.

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 8, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I predicted this analysis failure

Our QB’s get a B grade while our RB’s get a B grade? There isn’t an argument in the world where are our QB corps is any where near as strong as our RB corps.

QBs: C/C-
RBs: B+/B

Fooch, you will continue to be haunted until you come to senses on the QB grade. There really isn’t a need to be stubborn about it.

by bignerd on May 22, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

grades

I’ll just say that each grade is independent of the other. I think the problem between the two is that if I graded our running backs like I did our QBs I’d probably have given them an A. I think I graded the QBs more on what I think they can do in the 49ers current offensive system. I realize we don’t know enough about the offense, so let’s not get into that argument again.

I probably downgraded the running backs b/c we don’t know what Coffee and Sheets could do in the system. So kind of contradictory grading policies. So we’re kind of adjusting on the fly.

by David Fucillo on May 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gore, Sheets, and Coffee

Is definitely the 3 to roll with here. The knock on clayton is his pass protection. Leave him on the practice squad just in case. (remember Denver last year.) I’m not a fan of Robinson especially with Sheets and Rossum on KR/PR. Wr’s Crab,Hill,Morgan, Bruce and Jones by default. He was resigned by Nolan and Scot, not Singletary. Coffee should have the 2nd most TD’s and maybe the most, I think Gore isn’t elite because of TD’s.

M. S. #50

by rlott#42 on May 22, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Robinson

I know a lot of people don’t like him but he’s a special teams ace and he has great hands.

by SportsChicken on May 22, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again.

I find it hard to believe people think MRob is not valuable enough to keep around. He is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield, a great blocker (both lead and picking up pressure), and one of our best ST players. Whoever was on here saying he should not make the roster has either not watched the 49ers the last few years, or forgets that he was at one time the QB of the #2 team in the nation (the guy is a football player).

by goatfather on May 22, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we have added enough ST help and RB help to let him go

Gore, Coffee, and RObinson?? I’d rtather have Sheets for ST and 3rd down back

by Real Deal P Will on May 22, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

49ers would be worse w/o Robinson.

Robinson has led the 49ers in ST tackels 2 of the last 3 years. In fact, he was the ST captain last season. Although ST isn’t as important as O or D, a good team still needs guys who can make plays on it. Besides, it’s not like he’s signed to a monster contract that’s really hurting our cap number. I think he’s signed through 2012, making around 800K a year.

by urnext on May 23, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

Robinson is one of the most valuable players on this team. He can catch, block, throw, run the ball and tackle. Not many guys on a team that can do all that efficiently. Robinson does.

by st. francisco on May 24, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fooch

Can the next around the NFC West with the other blogs be about the coaches?
Three teams have new HCs and the Cards have had to replace both the OC and DC. The whole division seems to have new coaches this year. I’m wondering what our 9er fans think and the other teams fans as well about this.

by tanos135 on May 22, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah

this is a good idea.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on May 22, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure we already know what 49ers fans think.

The cult following that worships the word of Singletary is kind of frightening.
Were there a poll, it would be a joke.

by shlecko on May 22, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it's a good idea

not so much for the poll, but just to hear the point of view from each team’s blogger.

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on May 22, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we also know...

What GeoMak thinks as well.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 23, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

coaches

We’re definitely going to do coaches, but it’ll probably be at the end. TBD

by David Fucillo on May 26, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank the Tank

Did you intentionally steal that nickname from Frank Summers?

I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

by these3words on May 23, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Nope

I’ve used it for a while. Although I’m a UNLV fan so maybe it subliminally came through.

by David Fucillo on May 23, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

frank summers stole it from this guy

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on May 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think!
I think we have added enough ST help and RB help to let him go
Gore, Coffee, and RObinson?? I’d rtather have Sheets for ST and 3rd down back
by Real Deal P Will on May 22, 2009 10:10 PM MST

When I read quotes like this it makes me realize how many fans of today know very little. This guy would rather have Sheets, a player he has never seen, and cut Michael Robinson, the “greatest athlete” Joe Paterno coached in 55 years of coaching according to Old Joe. MRob has never been given a chance to develop as an RB. Nolan saw to that by playing first Hicks, then Foster. An RB needs carries to develop a feel for the game.

So, Singletary comes along and uses MRob as his backup FB and he catches 17 passes for 201 yards in barely 1/2 a season. That’s an average of 11.9 yards per catch compared to Bush and Westbrook who only averaged 7.5. Just by playing a full season, you can double his production and 400 yards receiving out of a backup FB is quite an unexpected weapon.

He also is our BEST special teams player as he is a brutal tackler and his blocking led to Rossum’s 104 yd KO return against the Cards. He’s very popular with the players and coaches, is a team leader and a team captain.

Sheets may make the team, but it won’t be Robinson who gets cut. I see Frank/Beans/Sheets at RB, with Norris/Robinson at FB. Robinson can fill in at many positions and will be running the wildcat when we use it on occasion. He’s way too valuable as he saves the team roster spots with his versatility.

Kezarvet

by kezarvet on May 23, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Jackson is better than Gore.

But the 49ers have far better depth at RB than the Rams/

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on May 23, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

His running style is better

But Frank Gore is more durable and seems like the better back.

by SportsChicken on May 23, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Gore is "durable"?

Durable as in injury-resistant or durable as in all-around skills? I’m not so sure about the former.

by shlecko on May 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not so fast...

SF is the clear number one. I think Seattle has the worst situation for RB’s, then St. Louis, especially after trading Brian Leonard. I actually like Arizona’s situation, Wells is better than the 31st pick of the draft and they still have Edge atm, right?

by st. francisco on May 24, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

agree

that Seattle has the worst situation. i cant believe they let Maurice Morris get away. and the guy signed with the Lions, so its not like he just wanted a better team.

Wells is an injury-prone rookie though, so until he shows he can stay healthy in the NFL for a whole season, let alone be productive, i think st. louis is easily ahead of arizona.

I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

by these3words on May 24, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Niners

Anyone who says otherwise is a communist.

I like to shake them haters off, so sometimes I just sit here shaking.

by jfainsf49 on May 24, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Whew!!..

I guess Muslims are safe now…

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 24, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

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