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The 2009 49ers Schedule: A Very Early Discussion Pt. III

Ahh, the doldrums of the NFL off-season. Now is a time when players changing agents becomes a top story on ESPN because, well, there is NOTHING ELSE GOING ON. So unless you are a b-ball fan (Go Lakers), a hockey fan, or are interested in late-May baseball, this is a rough period of time for you.

Never to fear, those at Niners Nation are here to get your spirits up by looking to the future! In case you've missed Part I or Part II of the Fooch-Bigelow schedule discussion, go ahead and catch up by clicking those links, I'll be here when you get back.

Otherwise, here are weeks 10 through 13 of the 2009 San Francisco 49ers season; a stretch with some intriguing matchups, and games that could turn into must-wins if we want to make a playoff run....

ProfessorBigelow: DAAAAAAA Bears! Honestly, outside of the NFC West, I can't WAIT for this game to come

Fooch: how come?

ProfessorBigelow: I see the Bears as a real measuring stick. They match up well with us, are strong on both sides of the ball, but can be beaten. Its a showdown of Urlacher vs Willis in who has the more dominant linebacker (even though we all know who that is). Cutler is a force, but I still don't know how he is going to play with Chicago, kind of a wild card there...

Fooch: Yea, he's becoming that Favre-esque wildcard :)

ProfessorBigelow: ha, almost

Fooch: But honestly, this is a bit out there, but I think Juaquin Iglesias (3rd round WR from Oklahoma), could be a solid WR option for them. Even with Cutler they don't exactly have a ton of receiving weapons ya know?

ProfessorBigelow: They really should have gone for Holt, in my opinion... But there are still some WR's on the market.

Fooch: I'd expect they're not going to improve much beyond what they have. Cutler does make the WRs better, but their big offensive strength is some decent running back options. Matt Forte had a solid rookie season and a completely healthy Kevin Jones would really give them a solid backup

ProfessorBigelow: I'm a huge Forte fan as well. I struck gold last season and got Chris Johnson and Matt Forte in my fantasy league, and Forte became one of my favorite bruisers in the league.

Fooch: Nice :)

ProfessorBigelow: That man is going to have a future in the NFL

Fooch: Yea I'd say so

ProfessorBigelow: But enough [site decorum] licking, lets get down to picking this game. Their (the Bears) d is good, very very very good, but I think they are getting a bit long in the teeth. Urlacher has been losing a step every season. Again, if the Niners want to be a legit team in the NFL during the 2009 season, this is a must win. Otherwise they sit at mediocrity.

Fooch: I agree...good teams win home games. Maybe the 49ers don't go 8-0 at home, but I think this is a game they can win. I honestly think it comes down to how much Jay Cutler improves that offense. Football Outsiders had them ranked 22nd in the NFL on offense. What kind of improvement can we see?

ProfessorBigelow: Better than 22nd, worse than 15th.

Fooch: I agree that it's questionable how much the offense improves. I think the 49ers win this one. Depending on what Cutler does for the offense, this seems like the type of game that comes down to who can control time of possession more.

ProfessorBigelow: Same. It comes down to a few simple comparisons: Willis > Urlacher; Gore > Forte; Crabtree, Bruce, Hill, Morgan > Bears WR Corps; Cutler > Hill/Smith. OK, so 3/4 aint bad. Niners win - 6-3

Fooch: I like it :) But I'll go with 10-9 49ers

ProfessorBigelow: Oh, that was my Niners record til now. haha

Fooch: oh ok :)

ProfessorBigelow: Final score? Wow, wayyy to early for that... But 10-9 is a good one.

Fooch: I'm at 5-4, record wise.

ProfessorBigelow: Winning records, not bad...

After the jump; weeks 11, 12 and 13, including a trip to Seattle and the Frozen Tundra...

Star-divide

Fooch: This 5-game November stretch is pretty interesting. I don't think it happens, but it's possible they could go 0-5 in this stretch...not likely, but a possibility

ProfessorBigelow: I think it is what many people expect. We are seen as part of an "easy stretch" in these team's schedules, which is exactly what I want them to think... I'm ok with the underdog role for a while.

Fooch: Yea....even with a decent start, this stretch is where this team makes its bones.

ProfessorBigelow: OH! We forgot one VITAL point about the Bears; it is a Thursday Night NFL Network game!!

Fooch: Oh yea...forgot about that! Maybe I'll try and go to the game...

ProfessorBigelow: It's a quick turnaround after a (what should be) challenging Titans game... Two tough games, back to back, against two tough teams.

Fooch: how much does that affect the potential W?

ProfessorBigelow: It lessens its likelihood, in my opinion... But its not like the Bears have a week off before then; they play the Cards the week before.

Fooch: This is true....it could really come down to what each team's injury situation looks like.

ProfessorBigelow: Their D could be quite tired trying to keep up with them... So as of May 27th, Niners win. As of Nov 12th, TBD...

Fooch: :) I'll stick with the W...I think Singletary's hill will have this team in great shape!

ProfessorBigelow: You mean Pain?

Fooch: Indeed.

ProfessorBigelow: It better... Ok, next week, Packers. A classic rivalry of sorts, and something ive been waiting a long time to see: Aaron Rodgers v. Niners.

Fooch: I'd imagine Shaun Hill will be the starting QB, but it'd be pretty funny if Alex Smith had worked his way into the starting job for this game.

ProfessorBigelow: Oh that would make for an epic week of discussion before then. Now on the flip side of having a short week for the bears, we get a long week for this game. Time to heal up, prepare for a trek to the what could be frozen tundra by November 22nd.

Fooch: Yea, I'd imagine we'll be dealing with pretty close to the frozen tundra just before Turkey Day (Thanksgiving is the next Thursday right?)

ProfessorBigelow: mm hmm

Fooch: I'd say it's safe to say we'll know what kind of team the 49ers are bringing to the table at this point. Personally, I think Frank Gore could be essential for this game. Freezing cold means you have to win that time of possession.

ProfessorBigelow: Don't forget what's good in cold weather... A big heaping cup of hot Coffee...

Fooch: This is true.

ProfessorBigelow: If Glen Coffee is being used regularly by week 11, he could turn out to be vital here in giving the niners a 1-2 punch at the line... Coffee or (gulp) Michael Robinson.

Fooch: I don't know if Michael Robinson will ever be at that point.

ProfessorBigelow: He apparently was the #2 during MNF AGAINST THE CARDS IN THE 4TH QUARTER ON THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME!!! Yes, I meant those caps, again, I'm still, and will probably always be, extremely bitter...

Fooch: Yea, that's understandable :)

ProfessorBigelow: OK, prediction time. Call me crazy, but I think we have a bit of a let down and lose this one.

Fooch: Honestly it's not all that crazy really. Green Bay may not be awesome, but they're going to be a tough game, even if it were good weather. I don't think it's a let down so much as just losing to a solid team...I agree with the loss

ProfessorBigelow: K, Fooch - 5-5, Bigelow - 6-4. Now, Jacksonville; in the game that I couldn't call now if my life depended on it. The Jags were amazing two seasons ago, utter crap last season; they could yo-yo back, they could stay where they are...

Fooch: I agree. The addition of Eugene Monroe really will help that offensive line and by Week 12, they could be in sync. However, they're another team where I don't know if I can trust their offense....they lack much in the way of receivers. MJD is solid, but can Rashad Jennings play the Fred Taylor role?

ProfessorBigelow: Short answer: no. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Here is where Holt could make a difference for a team by giving Jacksonville the extra dimension they have missed; but not against a team that has seen what he could do when he was in his prime, Holt is shut down here by the 49ers CBs (POST-CHAT EDIT: I might rethink this last statement after the injuries...) Their running game isn't dynamic enough to beat our D; that's a Zero-dimension offense, and that's a Niners victory. 7-4 baby!

Fooch: yea, I think the 49ers pull it out. The defense struggled last year, but like you said, they could do just about anything in 2009 and it wouldn't surprise me. But again, at home this is a game that needs to be won

ProfessorBigelow: A lot of these "must wins" eh?

Fooch: Yea, if the 49ers are going to step up this year, they become must wins.

ProfessorBigelow: Ok, At Seattle, Week 13 - the beginning of crunch time. The past few years, by this week, we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. At 6-5/7-4, they are certainly in the hunt, and going into an always loud and raucous Seattle crowd will prove to be a challenge this late in the season.

Fooch: Yea...we could very well have a 3-way playoff race, although I'm not sold on Seattle

ProfessorBigelow: Nor am I.

Fooch: But, heading on the road, it's a tough one. I honestly don't know where the Seahawks will be at this point. I remain convinced that their running game leaves a little something to be desired.

ProfessorBigelow: And TJ WHoseyourmomma does not make a WR corps: he's a sure-fire threat but Seattle is known for dropping the ball for a reason...

Fooch: If the wide receivers are healthy they've got talent though. Housh, Burleson, Branch....not too shabby

ProfessorBigelow: Ahhh, slippery Nate Burleson... So hard to bring down

Fooch: Indeed... I think this ends up as a loss for the 49ers...they can do some damage in the division, but road divisional games, no matter how crappy the opponent, are always tough.

ProfessorBigelow: Come on, really? This is the new Niners we have been talking about! If we are beating the Bears and the Vikings, and the Texans, we need to beat the Seahawks. Their D is not what it was last year, its worse. I think we walk in there and take one from them, after a long, wet, sloppy game.

Fooch: Call it a let-down. I'm probably predicting to reach a certain number, but I also think road division games are much tougher than normal games sometimes

ProfessorBigelow: I'm sticking to my original NFC West prediction of (SPOILER ALERT) 5-1. That means sweeping the Seahawks. And so the records spread again, Fooch - 6-6. Bigelow - 8-4

Fooch: I'd say right now it's you being more optimistic and me being more realistic!

ProfessorBigelow: Enough, we get it!

Poll
After week 13 (12 games played), how many wins do you think the 49ers have?
0-3
3 votes
4-6
131 votes
7-9
433 votes
10-12
57 votes

624 votes | Poll has closed

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What's next?...

How the 49ers matchup in the playoffs and Super Bowl?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 27, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do appreciate the banter..

Between Fooch and The Professor (hey, maybe an idea for a sitcom?) as well as the effort to a banal subject. I’m not a big fan of off-season prognostications, because with this team there is a certain element of the unproven.

Like Jimmy Raye’s offense.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 27, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I agree that off-season prognostications can be pretty bogus given the question marks. I figure it’s just one more area of conversation for folks. We can only talk about Greg Ellis or Michael Vick so much.

And I think it’s more like multiple elements of the unproven. It’s one reason I am excited for the season: their is a lot of potential and mystery about how things could turn out. I realize I am probably setting myself up for big time disappointment, but that’s just the way I am I suppose.

by Fooch on May 27, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see a lot of ....

Schedule predictions on 49er fan sites, and you two actually made it interesting. The one main thing I hope for is for the 49ers to find an identity, and it won’t be because Singletary yells, screams, make them run gassers all day, or wears a big wooden cross around his neck. It’s about the x’s and o’s. He is really the least experienced coach in his own division. The 49ers will find an identity on either offense or defense. Even with Mad Martz as OC, they were gaining an identity on offense. That’s gone now. On defense, well, you gain an identity with your pass rush and pressure. The 49er defense and offense were still ranked in the 3rd tier last season. Fans think “Well, they were only a few plays form the playoffs” last season, but they were also a few plays from really being a 5 win team too.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 27, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing about SEA...

How is it that everybody want’s to sleep on them? Mora Jr. and Knapp have coached together in the past for years. What gives?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on May 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I think the issue lies with Seattle not worrying enough. They had an awful year last season, and rather than going out and doing anything about it, they just kind of blamed it all on unfortunate injuries and went on as thought nothing happened. The entire team is aging, and there’s no guarantee that they’ll get any of the players they lost last season back to full strength…so even if they do stay healthy, they’re not going to be as good as they were two years ago or before that.

They should have retooled and built for a team that would be strong in 2010 and after that. Instead, they let go of some impact players and overpaid for an over-30 possession receiver who will be rapidly deteriorating by the time they’re ready to be competitive again.

They should have re-evaluated their coaching staff and planned for a future with younger players with higher potential. Instead, they chose hire coaches who aren’t as well versed in the philosophy that they’ll be keeping, despite having a roster full of players that will be becoming gradually less effective in that system every year.

At least that’s why I’m sleeping on Seattle.

by shlecko on May 28, 2009 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere...

… in between. I think Fooch’s 6-6 is a whole lot more likely than PB’s 8-4. I think the 49ers may be able to pull off 7-5, but 6-6 is very likely. There’s a tough stretch of games in those first 12 games.

by sfgfan on May 27, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have us at 5-7 by week 12.

and 7-9 overall.

Really, though… @IND, TEN, CHI, @GB, JAX, @SEA, ARI, @PHI in an 8 game stretch in the middle of the season…we’d be very fortunate to win 3 of those.

by shlecko on May 28, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

go cav’s, sharks, jeff gordon, and dodgers. oh! and crabs willis, and ricky carmicheal in nascar not motocross. and also kings but they suck so.

by 5-0 on May 27, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no dodgers allowed

its like us saying cowboys sorry i sed that but just dont say that

by big beaner on May 27, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

8-4 by week 12

Surprise wins —-Colts and Titans

M. S. #50

by rlott#42 on May 27, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ellis

We get 7 wins if we trade for or sign Ellis. Otherwise, 6 wins or a lot less than that.

by Since79 on May 27, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

really?

the current scouting report on Ellis is that he can’t play in space like a good OLB anymore, and he’s too small for a 3-4 DE. So, where would we use him?

by jimbohead on May 27, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a joke 5-11 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I look for another 5-11 or 6-10, unless Hill or Smith turn out to be the next Joe Montana.

by Italia1970 on May 27, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Italia...

Do you torture puppies for fun?

by Arkie49er on May 28, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

More than 7 wins is a improvement

I personally think the Niners could go 9/7. It will depend on Div. wins. 4/2 would be good and against Playoff teams ( 5), 1/4 might be reality. And against the other 5 teams, 4/1 is also realistic. Now, one more win in any of theses 3 areas would result in a 10/6 season and could win the Division. Or one more lose would be a setback.

by LASVEGASNINER on May 28, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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