A little Bear Pascoe at the cost of Delanie Walker?
Without even catching a regular season pass yet, Bear Pascoe has gained quite a bit of popularity here. I'd imagine if you look at any message boards you'd find folks showing the Bear some love. However, it got me thinking about the 49ers tight end situation.
We all know that Vernon Davis is the #1 tight end on the depth chart. The athleticism and blocking ability is off the charts. Jimmy Raye has indicated he wants to exploit the gross mismatches that can be created with Davis. That seems simple enough.
My question is what will happen with the duo of Delanie Walker and Bear Pascoe? Prior to last season Walker signed a contract extension that would keep him with the 49ers through 2012. Walker has always been a guy who flashed some impressive ball catching skills. However, he's never really had a chance to make the leap to the next level as a tight end.
The addition of Bear Pascoe would seem to box Walker in on the depth chart. Pascoe is looked at as a blocking tight end, but the stats show he can catch the ball when called upon. When Billy Bajema was the third tight end, he was strictly a blocker. Although Walker has never had the blow up season, he had some breathing room on the depth chart. Does that change now with Bear in the house?
The 49ers signed Walker to a relatively inexpensive deal so I'd imagine he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Even if Pascoe shows some solid ball catching skills to go with his blocking potential, Walker would likely be kept around in case Vernon Davis bolts in free agency.
So, I guess it comes down to what role do you see for Delanie Walker in 2009 and going forward?
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I don’t see drafting Bear as a big an issue for Delanie as the glut of wide receivers. He’s better utilized as more of a slot-type guy than an on the line TE.
by Kraut182 on May 6, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I see the same role Bajema had being handed to Bear.. Delanie is more of a receiving tight end, Bear more of a Blocking. Davis is the started because he’s a mix of both.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on May 6, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Unless Pascoe shows tons of receiving ability in camp, this is exactly how it’s going to go. However, it would be nice to see Pascoe become more of an option than Walker. This is not because I don’t like Walker or anything like that, but I’m pretty sure that whenever the defense saw Bajema on the field last season, they could pretty much bet with 75% certainty that the next play was going to be a handoff. If Pascoe can show that he can also catch the ball, defenses can’t use him as a cue to tee off on Gore/Coffee/Whomever.
Walker, while a potential mismatch in the passing game, I don’t think is a very good blocker. I’m not speaking from actually watching his technique or anything, but I’m pretty sure that it’s safe to assume that if they had to take him out in favor of someone else at the risk of tipping their hand, he probably isn’t a very good blocker. If Pascoe can take over the backup role from Walker in time, I think the 49ers would be better for it.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear
DID catch everything at mini camp, which was about 6 passes! So we will have to see what happens in OTA’s, but he was impressive at the mini camp for what he had to work with.
I think the general feeling is of excitement, and I’m getting used to that! Thank goodness! haha
Sources:
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/022009.html?mi_rss=49ers%20Blog%20and%20Q%26A
by Poundtherock on May 6, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read about that.
Without pads or anything, it really means nothing, as he doesn’t have to worry about the ILB or SS laying the hat on him as he catches the ball. It will definitely be interesting going into OTAs and training camp.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it when the first post points out the obvious.
They may play the same on-paper position, but they fill entirely different roles.
/thread
by shlecko on May 7, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of OT
Jimmy Raye has indicated he wants to exploit the gross mismatches that can be created with Davis. That seems simple enough.
I’m pretty sure every previous offensive coordinator has said the same thing going into camp, including Martz.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, except
Jimmy Raye might be able to do it. He was the guy under whom Tony Gonzales became Tony Gonzales. This is one of the things I’m actually very excited about watching this season. Remember that when Martz was actually asked about the way he was using Davis later on in the season, he said “basically like I used Ernie Conwell.” Barrows did some checking on that guy and he’d never topped 40 rec’s or 500 yards in a season.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ConwEr00.htm
If Davis’ 2009 numbers are more in the 2004 Eric Johnson range, I’ll be very pleased.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that eventually Davis might be the one who gets away.
I love Walker, and I’m excited about Pascoe. I think Pascoe will get some receiving chances, especially in goal line and short yardage situations. It seems like we have a huge advantage in having three tightends that we can line up in short yardage situations and then set one, two, or three of them off on pass routes.
Also – how great is it that we’re talking about the glut of offensive weapons that the niners have…I love it
by foosball4949 on May 6, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets not get carried away
Also – how great is it that we’re talking about the glut of offensive weapons that the niners have…I love it
meh, kinda depends how you define “offensive weapons.” I think glut at the offensive skill positions would’ve worked a lot better. I like som of the guys we’ve got now and clearly they are better than they’ve been in recent years, but Gore/Coffee/Crabtree/Bruce/Hill/Morgan/Davis/Pascoe/Walker isn’t exactly the Watters/Loville/Floyd/Rice/Taylor/Singleton/McCaffrey/Jones/Popson group that had John Madden constantly screaming “Too many weapons!” Oh and that second group also had Steve Young distributing the ball. Shaun Hill is no Steve Young.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill is no Steve Young.
….. yet
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on May 6, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I love Shaun, but it’s ridiculous to compare him to the most accurate QB EVAR. I think he’ll do just fine.
I’m secretly hoping Smith is good enough to win the job, though.
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Si
+30 points for sam23
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
and that’s kinda my point, that we’re all kinda acting like we have a ton of weapons when no one’s really proven anything outside of Gore
by foosball4949 on May 6, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce?
Congrats on being the first person in roughly 15 years to call Isaac Bruce unproven. ; )
Thing A
by sam23 on May 6, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you weren't being serious...
But I still can’t believe you went there, lol
by jonesin25 on May 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I actually thought about that when I was writing this
I guess at this point Bruce isn’t so much unproven as he is very much on the downside of his career. I was too lazy to change me adjective…
by foosball4949 on May 6, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Bruce was our leading receiver last year and had a very respectable 61 receptions and 7 TDs. He still has something left in the tank.
I want winners!!
by loudiamond on May 6, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has something left
but to call him a ‘threat’ might be stretching it now. He’s very solid, but I can also see him getting phased out over the course of the season. I wouldn’t be that surprised, in fact I’m hopeful, that by our bye week he’ll be the third receiver behind two of Morgan/Crabtree/Hill (probably the first two).
I’m not trying to crap on him, I like Bruce and appreciate what he brought to the team last year, it was nice to have some stability at WR, but I’m not sure that teams gameplan for him anymore…I could be wrong
by foosball4949 on May 6, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delanie Walker
Not going to lie, I liked Delanie a lot this last year, he showed some real talent on kickoffs and special teams, I was impressed by him by all accounts, but I agree, VD is going to have the upper hand on him.
As far as Bear Pascoe goes, I think he’s one of those guys that you kind of instantly like for almost everyone. He’s soft spoken, a hard worker, a cowboy, a hard hitter, a leader… the list keeps going, but the point is, he’s going to be a fan favorite even if he doesnt see much playing time this year (which I think he will).
in my mind, its like this:
Delanie: Good hands, Good blocking ability
Bear: Good hands, Great blocking ability
In the long run I think its Bear>Delanie
by Poundtherock on May 6, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious.
Where do you get that Walker has good blocking ability? I’m not criticizing your opinion or anything, I’m just curious, as I’ve never really heard much about his blocking. I’ve always been under the impression that his blocking isn’t really good if the 49ers are willing to tell the defense they’re running by bringing in Bajema instead of keeping Walker on the field to try to deceive the defense a little.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell
Walker isn’t so much of a bad blocker as he is too small to block in the TE role. Remember he was a WR in college whom we converted to TE.
by foosball4949 on May 6, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Not great. He’s a good TE, but he’s not a Bear, like you were saying he’s more of a added pass threat then a added blocker. But all in all, he’s not terrible. If he was, would they ever run a run play with him out there? Nahh. So he’s alright.
by Poundtherock on May 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I'm a Bear fan
I think Bear is more versatile than Walker. Bear can block and receive, so it keeps the D on their toes as opposed to Walker who is on the field to catch 75% of the time and block 25% of the time (I completely made those stats up, its just how I saw him used last season).
Sando saw this situation as well:
The 49ers’ sixth-round pick, Bear Pascoe, could factor significantly in double-tight personnel groupings, perhaps at the expense of Delanie Walker.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on May 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is it that makes Bear so popular?
Is it that he is considered a home town product?
That his name is Bear and is a cowboy? (Which he did also say he was a Cowboy fan)
He went to Fresno St., so I will hold off my opinion of him until he proves something on the field. There is no questioning Vernons abilities, and his critics are idiots, that guy is a beast. It has not been his fault with the way things have gone for him. Sucky QB’s with sucky OC’s!! Delanie is a play maker, I love what he can do with the ball in his hand, that is why he gets on the field. I think Bear has the potential to be very good, but I think he may be a bit more of a project before you see to much of him.
by jonesin25 on May 6, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
As 49er fans, all we have to believe in right now is what we read.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on May 6, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly....
I’m excited because I watched this guy from the start of his career, and I know that he is a beast. Yes the jump to the pro’s is a big factor, but this guy can play. Plain and simple.
Plus, as an added bonus, he’s a really nice guy, I’ve met him and Tom Brandstater (he actually goes to my church) and both are great guys.
So there you go!
by Poundtherock on May 7, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get carried away...
We all know VD is a specimen, and may be pound-for-pound the best blocking TE in the league, but he still has a long way to go as a receiver. Do you have any idea how many free agent WR’s there are floating around that ran sub-4.4 40’s and still can’t stick with a team? Probably dozens. It’s not all about speed.
Not trying to hate, just saying that most guys coming out of a decent-sized program like Maryland would be a little more polished. Seeing that DHB is a little rough himself, maybe it’s the coaching. Regardless, I love his new attitude, and if he listens to Sullivan I think he has a chance to be a real threat. Until then, Delanie will be the best receiving option at TE.
by Edge6 on May 7, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible Solution
Trade Vernon Davis + a 2 and 3 next year for. . . . Peppers.
by Since79 on May 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
I’d rather give up Davis and a first and a second for Suggs before giving up a two and a three for Peppers. Besides, no one really thinks Davis is worth anything other than the 49ers.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one really thinks Davis is worth anything other than the 49ers.
….and people who play Madden more than they actually watch football.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will if we actually did trade him.
If Davis goes to a decent team with coaches who have a clue, Davis would blow up. Then all the Niner fans would be crying that he never played like that for us (Which wouldn’t be true). There aren’t many better blocking TE’s in the league, and if he is given a chance to make plays he will. He made some big time plays last year, I have not forgotten this.
by jonesin25 on May 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Davis, whether or not the coordinators have called on him, has not shown ANYTHING that should make another team want to acquire him (and his contract) in a trade.
Yes, Hostler and Martz held him in too much to block, but they don’t really have many other options when the offensive line is struggling. What about what happens when he does go out for routes? I’m sure he’s gone out for passes more than the 31 times he actually caught the ball for in 2008. Why was he not thrown the ball during those other times? Yes, the coordinator may have overlooked him, but isn’t it also possible that he isn’t getting open? You could try to blame O’Sullivan for it, but his numbers didn’t really improve after Hill took over, either.
Yes, Davis has made some big plays, but a #6 overall pick needs to make more than “some” big plays and be a good blocker. Basically, no one is saying Davis flat out sucks. No one is even completely writing him off (as many have done with Alex Smith). People are simply stating that he hasn’t shown much in the NFL, and until then, he’s only worth a lot to the team that drafted him high. In the non-Madden world where players aren’t just assigned an overall rating, you can’t just say he’d be worth a second round pick to another team just because his rating is somewhere in the 80s.
That is all people are saying.
by sfgfan on May 6, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they can trade anyone for Peppers, unless it’s a sign and trade. Peppers was offered the Franchise tag, but hasn’t signed it. This means, the Niners can offer him a contract, and if he accepts it, the Niners have to give Carolina TWO 1st round picks… meaning, they get our #1 next year, plus the one we traded for with our 2nd and 4th this year… so, essentially, giving up a #1, #2 and #4 pick, just to offer Peppers a HUGE contract. He’s worth those picks, but won’t be worth crippling the team financially in the process for the next 6 or 7 years in the process.
So, in other words… it’s a moot point to make possible trade solutions… especially since nobody wants Vernon Davis at this point.
by aBulldog on May 6, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way to exploit mismatches for Vernon Davis is to throw little dump passes to him, or hand the ball off to him, and watch him run people over. He hasn’t shown the ability to run routes very well, so it’d be best to just keep it simple for him. AND, since he has such awesome blocking skills, why not use him as one of these fullback/TE hybrid type guys? Can you imagine the confusion if the niners started having plays where they could option Davis from the fullback spot out to TE (or vise versa)? THAT would enable you to create mismatches, use Vernons skills as a blocker, and exploit his size and speed with those little dump offs, or hand-offs as a fullback… yet keeping it simple for a guy, when drafted, we knew wasn’t the brightest of players.
Not to mention the ability to run two TE sets more often, enabling the niners to get an extra blocker on the field (Bear Pascoe), who is a nice big target in the redzone as well (which would be great for those run plays). This would create tons of confusion (in theory) for the defense, get your best players on the field, while utilizing them to their full potential… even if it’s not throwing 20 yard passes down the field to Vernon Davis anymore…. we have Crabtree for that now.
I don’t know if that would work, but I think making the game simple for Vernon with little dump passes would be great for him to get the ball, and great for the QB to have an option when he gets in trouble. I’d rather have Vernon tackled behind the line of scrimmage than seeing our team go through 3 or 4 QB’s.
by aBulldog on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hand offs. Yeah.
The part about handing the ball to VD. Remember that sweep where he got the ball and rumbled for ten yards?
I agree that he seems to do better the shorter the pass. Plus he seemed to have alligator arms at times, which I think had more to do with him being musclebound. I suggested he back off the weightlifting and take up ballet this off-season.
by Bob On The Coast on May 6, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more talent the better
if Bear proves he can catch the ball a little bit it gives our offense a lot of flexibility. I think Walker keeps his hold on the #2 spot because he can make plays down the field, but Bear will get his chances too.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on May 6, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Walker is (probably) a better route-runner, and thus is worthy of keeping the number 2 TE job. The thing I’m liking about Pascoe is that it’s no longer a given for us that 3 TEs = running. If they go 3 TE and 1 WR, it’s conceivable that the defense would actually have to worry about all 5 targets on the field (Gore, 3 TEs, and Crabtree/Morgan), so that’s a definite plus.
It’s definitely exciting to think about the talent on offense for once with this team. I know a lot of people don’t realize that Shaun Hill is in fact very, very good, but that’s fine. They’ll find out soon enough. I’m very happy to know that there are 3 to 4 legitimate fantasy players on the 49ers’ offense now- I’m going to have at least 2 of them next season.
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of what you said
However I do not think Hill is “very, very good”. I like Hill, and I feel he should already be named the starter. There shouldn’t be this whole competition bs. But, I don’t think Hill is very very good, at least not yet. He has been in the league for a while now, I am not sure he will get much better than he already is. By saying that, I mean I don’t think he can win a Super Bowl, but the playoffs, sure, there is no reason he shouldn’t be able to take us there.
by jonesin25 on May 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear @ H-Back
http://www.49ersboard.blogspot.com
by supraman on May 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My God...
What have we unleashed?!
A Bear with some added Gore in the backfield? How much cooler can that phrase be?
by Poundtherock on May 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its nothing compared to the Gay/Love frontcourt the Memphis Grizzlies could’ve trotted out this season if they hadn’t traded for OJ Mayo.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 6, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even better
Gay/Love/Mayo
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by 49erLou on May 6, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be a slow news day...
Since there hasn’t been a “What Crabtree had for breakfast” topic lately.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on May 6, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As John Stewart pointed out, CNN spent more than 5 minutes today discussing Obama’s hamburger, if you want useless bits of information turn on the news, don’t come to a sports blog like ninersnation.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 6, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When
will Vernon actually be able to catch the ball? If only we could graft Walkers hands onto Vernons arms…..
Right now VD is a great blocker but his stonehands hurt his ability to be more than that. If he doesn’t improve than what???
by jviet on May 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is a myth.
Florida Danny (or was it Barrows?) debunked it quite thoroughly around the end of the season. His catch rate is comparable to our wide receivers. You can hate on his tendency to get penalized, but his hands are not the problem.
In Singletary we trust.
by grantmp on May 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TE
I really like tight ends. Vernon can become a monster if Raye can utilize VD’s talents he would be quite a force. Walker showed some skill last year. According to Madden (which isn’t that credible but) he is the second fastest TE (VD the fastest). Which such speed at TE we could have some short pass go a long way. Bear could be used as a special teams players as well as a FB on a play action. Imagine, 3 and in or 4th and in, Bear lines up as the FB fake FB run and play action pass to Bear or someone else. Boom! TD. You can never have too much depth at any position.
In Shaun Hill will trust
by iaalexeeff on May 6, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought the 49ers had reported Walker was faster than Vernon last year...?
I may be wrong, but I think Walker is faster.
by jonesin25 on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what she said
I really like tight ends
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on May 6, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear
According to Mike Sando at ESPN, Bajema actually had more snaps than Walker last year, so I would expect Bear to get those snaps and catch a few passes, including getting a few opportunities down near the goalline. Bear’s projected totals: 19 catches 100 yds 3 TDs, which would be great for a 6th rounder!! As for Delanie, he is more of a receiver and will continue to see occasional snaps between the 20s, and depending on who we are playing and how we match up with their D, some games he will play tons and others less. More importantly, if VD gets hurt, DLove is the primary backup for the starting spot, so that is why he is being kept around. DLove’s projected totals 20 catches 180 yds 2 tds
I want winners!!
by loudiamond on May 6, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
walker FB
Put walker at FB he can block catch an has speed!
by SacNiner on May 6, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love the off-season
We can get 50+ comments on how a 6th round blocking TE from Fresno St. will affect the development of our back up TE, the pass catching specialist who racked up 10 grabs last season.
There is some potential with these guys but I have a sneaking feeling that who ever gets most of the reps as our number 2 TE, it won’t end up having that much of an effect on the team.
by DiegoAsFan on May 6, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve known Bear pretty much my whole life, he not to mention his entire family, are hard workers. He is a smart player who will make contributions right away as a blocker and special teamer, i think his receiving skills will take time to develope at the pro level. But Bear is a determined individual, and he will get better.
by Cabe on May 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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