Could Coach Singletary wear the players out?
A couple days ago we had a discussion about Greg Manusky, based on his ranking among defensive coordinators, as done by The Sporting News. The day after TSN had their DC rankings, they ranked all 32 head coaches.
14. Mike Singletary, 49ers. He is a hard-nosed, tough-minded, old-school guy who eventually will build this team in his image.
Given his lack of head coaching experience, I can't really argue against this ranking. There is a mix of new and old below him so one could certainly try and argue against the ranking. It'll be interesting to see where he ranks a year from now.
However, it was the "hard-nosed, tough-minded, old school guy" approach that I wanted to look into a little further. The big thing I've heard about the OTAs and minicamps is how everybody is fired up. The players are pumped up and Coach Singletary has expressed displeasure when things are not looking sharp and on the ball. Certainly something one would consider a positive trait in a coach.
What has me wondering (not quite at "concern") is something Tim Kawakami wrote after sitting down with Singletary:
He's pushing players, pushing his coaches, pushing the franchise, pushing himself, racing time to get the 49ers back into title contention ASAP.
It's easy to look at this as me expressing concern about something that is the answer to what was concerning at times under Nolan. I do like the idea of Mike Singletary dragging this franchise kicking and screaming back into contention. The question I have is whether this level of frenetic activity could lead to burn out? Could it burn out the players? Could it burn out the coaches? Could it burn out Singletary?
I think the answer to that last question is a resounding no. Mike Singletary is doing things his way and the way he's always lived his life. Of course, that doesn't mean the same thing holds true for the coaches or the players. Given the passion involved I'm not expecting burn out. However, it is definitely something to consider given how far away we still are from the season. Am I overly concerned about this?
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Are you overly concerned?
Yes. Singletary knows what he’s doing.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jun 11, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes & no
Rember singlatary played this way and didnt burn out however i am a beliver that just cause your a great player doesnt mean your be a great coach so if he fails i dont belive its cause he is to fired up that how he lives
cppeter
by foreveryoung66 on Jun 12, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary as a player's coach?
The best example of a guy who wears players out—that I can think of—is someone like Scott Skiles. He’s turned around a couple of teams only to be ousted after a couple of seasons because the team had turned on him. Martz is another similar kind of guy; he’s tremendously demanding, and does things his way, and requires that his players tow the line. Is Singletary in the same category?
I, for one, don’t think so. What’s interesting about Singletary as a coach is his background as a motivational speaker. It seems like his speeches and his relentless intensity could grate on some guys—but I think it might work with this set of players. McCoughan has picked guys who seem like they are willing to buy into his philosophy of life and football, perhaps particularly because they haven’t achieved anything yet. When I read comments about Singletary from the linebackers, there’s universal acclaim. This suggests to me that players who have been exposed to his Singletariness (here that’s to be read as an adjective synonymous with singlemindedness/intensity) actually like him more rather than less. This bodes well.
The thing is that players (or the players you want on your team) like to be challenged, and they like discipline—if they think it will lead to results. So an answer to this question will depend somewhat on how the team will do this coming season. But still, I think that Singletary could actually fall into the category of a “player’s coach” because he’s not arrogant (like Martz) and he’s not a grating personality (like Skiles). He’s not Bill Parcells and he’s not Vince Lombardi either. He’s going to be the same guy on day 1 of OTA’s as he is on February 7, 2010 (yeah, I went there)—and that’s a good thing. In fact, that’s one of the things I’m “very excited” about this season.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 11, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Sing is a players coach.
With his work with the Linebackers and they gush over him. Seeing him last year and the players respect for him. It actually looked like players wanted to play better, wanted to be on Sing’s good side. Even VD is totally into the Sing bandwagon.
Of course you have a guy who is a motivational speaker, but he speaks the truth about something the people listening (players and coaches) trust him with. They know that he knows what he is talking about. And he has surrounded himself with coaches who can help with the parts he doesn’t totally know. He is a leader and from what I have read, everyone on the team believes in him. After all, he has that SB ring and is a member of the HOF. He has the stuff to back up his words.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jun 11, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem I see with Singletary's coaching style
is that, when given the power that he now has, it’s far too dependent on results. As a position coach before, there was very little that could actually be stapled to him. This is to say that the fans and media who would be so quick to grant him praise for his strengths would be very wary to assign him any personal blame. As a head coach, that all changes – when things don’t go well, it’s presumed to be that guy’s fault. Just or not, that’s how it is.
The issue with this team is that (let’s be honest for a second) we really aren’t all that talented. We have a pair of stars in Willis and Gore, a couple guys that can be considered above-average, and a rag tag group of league-relative nobodies to fill out the roster. As much as I’d love to have faith that willpower can rise a team to the level of greatness, I just can’t commit myself to believing in that.
The fact of the matter is that it will take a lot less for this team to start losing than it will to string together enough wins to come out of the season with a winning record. That’s just being fair. As much as the team buys into Singletary right now, I just can’t see him selling the “hard work buys wins” strategy to players who have busted their balls harder than they ever have in their lives just to turn out a 6-10 season. If things go south, it will be very easy for this team to turn on their coach. Really, we’re left to praying that things go well enough to prevent that from happening sooner rather than later.
P.S. – despite what seem like my most desperate attempts to prove otherwise, I do have high hopes for this season. I like Singletary as a coach, and I do think that he was an excellent choice to replace Nolan. That just…doesn’t change the fact that he’s a good man inheriting a troubled franchise and a roster of mediocre players.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 12, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blaming Singletary
If things go south, it will be very easy for this team to turn on their coach.
This is one of the things I’m most interested to see about. Because Singletary is all about accountability, and because he’s willing to take responsibility when things are his fault—and will defend his players when they live up to theirs (and don’t have success) and will chastise them when they don’t (and consequently fail), I think there’s a chance that a losing season wouldn’t make him lose the team. That’s what I mean when I say he’s the same guy all season long. That builds trust. There’s something to be said for playing the right way—not completely disregarding results, but certainly not making everything hinge on them.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 12, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"South" is a bad place for coaches.
It seems to me that when teams lose lots, the players eventually turn on their coaches no matter what your coaching style. The consequences of losing are not just emotional. You don’t play well enough to win and you’re soon out of the league so of course if the coach isn’t succeeding he’s seen as failing you the player.
I agree that there are different ways of being demanding as a coach. Singletary is different from disciplinarians who aren’t connected to the players. It would be a mistake to confuse Mangini’s style to Singletary’s. I personally couldn’t endure the kind of pressure that goes with playing professional football, but that doesn’t mean that football players can’t.
I hear this “too demanding” meme coming out of the likes of Barbieri and Cohn, two Singletary haters/dismissers who seem to be looking for something new to complain about.
by Bob On The Coast on Jun 12, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference
between wearing players out as they get fed up with their coach
and not pacing the workouts so that the players physically wear out (and maybe emotionally) causing them to peak too early in the season.
over the last few years, the niners have been a crappy first-half-of-the-season team and then really picked it up down the stretch, this would be ok if we did slightly better in the first half, netting us a postseason bid so that our momentum actually leads somewhere, but every year it just gets wasted in the offseason.
I can’t imagine that this will be a problem this year, I think the niners will mostly likely start the season firing on all cylinders but the question is, can they keep it up? Coach S had to maintain the momentum, enthusiasm, and motivation which I think he can do, but the players might physically wear out, I think this is a legitimate concern but far be for me to be the one to say, change your ways coach, I’ll just trust that he knows what he’s doing…I kind of have to
by foosball4949 on Jun 11, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can they keep it up?
Yes.
Why do you think they’re working so hard on conditioning?
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 11, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
the physical aspect of this isn’t something I was really thinking about. Just ask the Seahawks about how injuries can derail a season. Still, the fact that my comment was wondering more about the question “Singletary as leader of men” than “Singletary as caretaker of bodies” indicates that the former is my primary concern.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardwork
Given the fact that he is taking over a team driven by Nolan, they cannot (and should not) expect that the old ways will work. In order to perform better you have to work hard at it. If the players are not complaining, then we should not too. I want to see the Niners play like every game is a playoff one. With that mindset, ESPN has no choice but to start talking about us like they do those ugh Patriots and Brett Farve.
Cream
by chriscream on Jun 11, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the success rate is for high intensity "old school" coaches versus quieter "manager" coaches
Wasn’t Tom Coughlin criticized for being too intense (until he won a superbowl, then everyone loved his intensity).
Belechick doesn’t seem like he’s much of an old school kick butt guy – but he is undeniably ruthless.
Dungy seems quieter and more of a father figure type.
The big tuna was loud and he did pretty well.
These are ancedotal examples, but it seems like there are a variety of ways to be successful as a head coach.
by kiyoshi on Jun 11, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coughlin-Singletary comparison
This is what I was trying to address in my initial response (above); Coughlin became a player’s coach the year the Giants won the Super Bowl. He relaxed significantly and this had an important—and positive—influence on his team, and on his own relation to the players.
I’m not sure that Singletary would need to ‘chill out’ in similar fashion in order to get through to his players, and I think this is somewhat remarkable. Usually you’re either a player’s coach by a) being a Dungy-type father figure, or b) by having been intense in the past and then relaxing (Coughlin) OR you’re a my-way-or-the-highway type coach who gets through to players through intelligence (Martz), fear (Lombardi) and management (Parcells). To build community (as a player’s coach is wont to do) while still demanding excellence is an immensely difficult task, but one I think Singletary is well equipped for.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 11, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coughlin and Sing are very different
Coughlin was equally hard on all players young and veteran a-like. Singletary is smart enough not to beat on his veterans. I seen a couple of practices Bruce and Harris were rested, and I think maybe Spikes. It was a side note they didn’t participate in a portion of the conditioning I think, it’s something on the sort . I would imagine that the training staff have adjusted ensuring players aren’t drained and their muscles aren’t recovering from the workout. It worked for Rice, it worked for Craig, it worked for Payton and Singletary, plus Sing has been a vet and he knows what the body goes through!!
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on Jun 11, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barber on Coughlin!!
Tiki Barber has already used the television airwaves to rip his former team and now the retired Giants running back reportedly is criticizing them in print.
In excerpts of his new book “Tiki: My Life in the Game and Beyond” obtained by the New York Daily News, Barber writes that he might still be playing if Tom Coughlin weren’t still coaching the Giants. The book goes on sale Sept. 18.
“If Tom Coughlin had not remained as head coach of the Giants, I might still be in a Giants uniform,” Barber writes, according to the Daily News.
[Tom Coughlin] robbed me of what had been one of the most important things I had in my life, which was the joy I felt playing football.
Tiki Barber
“[Coughlin] robbed me of what had been one of the most important things I had in my life, which was the joy I felt playing football,” Barber wrote, according to the newspaper. “I had lost that. He had taken it away.”
On his radio show “The Barber Shop/Sirius NFL Radio” on Tuesday night, Barber disputed the New York Daily News report, saying he never wrote in his upcoming book that he would still be a member of the Giants if Coughlin did not return. However, Barber did say Coughlin played into the factors of why he left.
Barber credits Coughlin with solving his chronic fumbling problems but wrote that he believes it was his performance that kept Coughlin employed by the Giants. Under Coughlin, Barber ranked among the NFL’s top five rushers; in the three seasons beginning in 2004, Barber gained 1,518 (fifth), 1,860 (second) and 1,662 yards (fourth).
“It’s a double-edged sword, because as much as Coach Coughlin helped me, I also helped Tom Coughlin,” Barber wrote, according to the newspaper.
According to the Daily News, Barber also claims in the book that he was shorted about $10 million in his career by the Giants, who underpaid him compared with other top running backs.
Last month, Barber criticized Giants quarterback Eli Manning. Barber had
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003699
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on Jun 11, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tiki is pissed cuz he missed out on a ring
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
he sounds like a douche
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
by 49erLou on Jun 12, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bag-o-douche!
Coughlin works his guys and so does Sing. There is no place for an overpaid whiner.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 12, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard work and working hard
No, I don’t think that the approach that Singletary is taking will result in burn out. Singletary’s approach is really addressing 3 issues that he sees as deficient in the niners.
• Physical conditioning. Although these are all professional’s who are at one level or another in good physical shape. I believe he wants to build up the stamina of the team so that they can play Fisical (that’s physical with an F). He expects this team to take the game to the opposition on both sides of the ball rather than play in some reactionary mode taking what the other team is willing to give up.
• Passion. We all know that footfall is as much a game of passion as it is skill and athletic ability. Singletary knows that in order for this team to make the playoffs and perhaps win a super bowl they will need to play with passion or heart. Ths is one of those intangibles that we have hearing about that allows a player to play beyond his natural ability and make plays. Any player who doesn’t play with a passion for winning will likely not survive long in a Singletary team.
• Playing as a team.: I recall hearing Singletary’s comments after the game he benched Davis, he made a point that he expects every player to play as much for each other as "for the money and personal pride. I know that is one of the great intangibles that Wash was able to instill in the teams of the glory years.
So these are my thoughts on where Mike S. is taking this team. We will all see if how successful he and the team are at these 3 elements and more.
GO NINES.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 11, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we go 14-2 and lose the opening playoff game than maybe. If that’s the case I wanted to hire Marty anyways.
by bignerd on Jun 11, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Burned or Burn???
Anyone who gets "Burned Out" is a wimp and doesn’t belong on Singletary’s version of the 49ers. Get rid of him/them and get guys who "BURN TO WIN!!
by CorneliusJ on Jun 11, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vernon Davis
Is it safe to say VD burns to win? Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
by Fooch on Jun 11, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cornelius
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmen brother I’m with you all the way. If they can’t cut it , let them go and bring in players who can.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jun 11, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are gonna be STRONG
M. S. #50
by rlott#42 on Jun 11, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To state simply....
Sing is simply preparing his players for championship ball as he and his teammates did during their years with the Chicago Bears. Don’t make too much out of this, because the reality of getting to the Super Bowl means you have to train hard.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to be the best, you have to work the hardest...
…Coach knows exactly what hes doing.
As in nature for a billion years now, this is evolution at its finest. He is culling the old and weak to get stronger.
Anyone that can’t cut it is dead weight…
by 49ersCAN on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He is culling the old and weak to get stronger.
So we’re going into the season with a 22-man roster this year?
Look man, intense conditioning only grants players resilience, durability and stamina. It doesn’t make them better at football.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 12, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look man, intense conditioning only grants players resilience, durability and stamina. It doesn’t make them better at football.
This.
by sfgfan on Jun 12, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
49er Political Correctness:
Singletary is using the same winning formula in regards to preparation for a championship season. Period. It makes them both more resilient and better at football.
The fact that a quarterback throws well will not win games. The fact that he BOTH throws well and is physically built to withstand the rigors of a 16 game NFL season will give that quarterback a edge.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 12, 2009 6:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conditioning is just another way to compete
These guys are professional athletes, they are paid to keep themselves in shape. If they weren’t conditioning at OTA’s, they’d be running themselves at home. Running together just gives them all another reason to compete, and I like what I’ve been hearing about the competition.
Wait until training camp to see if Sing is wearing anyone out, that’s when he needs to dial it down a notch to keep guys healthy.
by Edge6 on Jun 12, 2009 6:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been a Niner fan since my birth
My father has had tickets in lower box 7 (row L) since my birth before he gave em up. After the comeback against the Giants, my Dad knew Denises’ riding of Eddie D’s gravy train was over and tossed his tickets before they were increased 2342534636346% in price, but damn I am still proud I got to see the greatest comeback in NFC history! However, even I thought the 12 hour drives home from the worst sports venue in North America got stale.
Moral of story, throughout my entire life I have never paid attention to niners beat writers, I watched the team on the damn field and formed my own opinions. That said, as a fledgling fan of the san jose sharks hockey club, and unfortunately reading some of the pieces on the team, allow me to say this. Kawakami, Purdy, and other any Mercury/Chronicle beat writers are crock full of SHIT (David Pollak is half gold, half dog crap)! I don’t care what sport they write about, they are HACKS! I hope they jump off a cliff together like the South Korean president.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jun 12, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Singletary is aware of the concern
KAWAKAMI The fast pace and emotion is evident even in the May OTAs now in the June minicamp. You’re on them, you’re yelling at them. Do you ever wonder if maybe you should back off at some point or you might wear them out?
-SINGLETARY: You know what? The thing that I have told them, as well as the coaching staff, one of my gifts is to be able to have them understand when we’re out there on the field, we’re going 100%.
But I’m always looking for opportunities to give them a break. Gave them a week off a couple weeks ago, just because I think they needed a break. Just to let them know that I appreciate the work ethic. I appreciate the push and everything else.
The thing that I’m explaining to them right now is we’re behind right now. The great teams in the league, they know who they are. They know who those guys are out there. They know who the quarterback is. They know who the receivers are.
They know it. We don’t. So we’ve got to work just a little bit harder. We’ve got to push just a little bit more. And yes the bar’s going to be set high. Well, it’s a great price to pay for what you want.
But in order to do that, just understand that I’m going to keep my eyes on you. I want you to talk to me. Communicate with me. Let me know: ‘You know what, coach, we’re pushing a little hard.’ OK, I’ll back off.
I talk to the strength coach. I talk to the trainer. I talk to our coaches. There are several coaches that I really lean on for that. They know how I am.
You know what? I’m going to push ‘em now. If you see that I’m pushing too hard, talk to me. I’ll listen.
-Q: Have you heard that yet?
-SINGLETARY: No. No. It’s been good. But the thing that I don’t want to do… I don’t want to go out there and go through the motions. Ever. We go out there on the field, we’re going to execute and we’re going to get better. Or else…
by Cal80 on Jun 12, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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