Cardinals DT Darnell Dockett tweetin on the 49ers
by David Fucillo on Jun 17, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
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PrintIn reality this is a non-story, but I wanted to use it to frame a discussion of sorts. Tip of the cap to Mike Sando for pointing this out, but apparently Arizona Cardinals DT Darnell Dockett is on Twitter and had some thoughts on the predictions some folks are making about the 49ers and the Cardinals success last year (if you go there, scroll to the bottom and click the more button and it's in the next set of tweets):
I just watch these people pick the 49ERS to win the west, like what in. the he'll isn't it to early for this.
. . .
The cardinals are the NFC best team until its taken, dont think it will be easy to take what we refuse to give up. nine-o
That first one I'm amusing assuming is meant to say "what in the hell..." It was sent via text message so he must have the fat fingers problem when texting.
Anyways, the NFL has really seemed to push and push a 49ers-Cardinals rivalry. 2009 will be the third straight season the two teams have met on Monday Night Football. I see two reasons for the continued Monday night battles between Arizona and the 49ers. First, they've played some very entertaining games over the last few years and that could help boost ratings...even if it is two western teams.
Second, though, is that rivalry question. Dockett's comments weren't exactly controversial or dripping with smack talk, but it has me wondering if NFL players in general, and the 49ers and Cardinals specifically, buy into the idea of rivalries nowadays. I realize even with all the money, these are still very competitive individuals who want to win. I will not argue against that at all. At the same time, how much do rivalries matter these days as compared to back in the day? Is it the same or different? Some of our slightly older readers might have a better idea on this, but all the same I'd imagine everyone has some kind of thought on this.
I grew up in the 80s so I wasn't around when a lot of the old school rivalries developed as is the case with a lot of readers here. I see the hand-shaking and hugs at the end of games and wonder how much rivalries matter. When the Cleveland Cavaliers were knocked out by the Orlando Magic in the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals, LeBron James walked off the court without shaking hands or talking to the opposing team. Some people thought that was poor sportsmanship, but one could also argue that's just a guy who is taking this kind of loss quite hard and doesn't feel like playing nice with the opposing team. Is this kind of trait dying out? Is that a good or bad thing?
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Fat Fingers?
Here in this century, we have a piece of technology called an iPhone… it has auto spell. You should drop your Miami Vice style cell phone and join you’re peers.
Oh and… “I see two reason for the continued Monday night battles…” were your skinny little nerd fingers to weak to hit the S key just one more time?
I can understand your fear of and SF AZ rivalry. I would be to if I had been dominated so thoroughly last season, with no view of revision. It must be horrible to have to watch your team get annihilated on prime TV.
Go Cards! Get an iPhone!
really?
Annihilated? The Cardinals beat the 49ers by 10 and by 5. The 10 point game was tied at the half and the 5 point game saw the 49ers stopped at the Cards goal line. Based on your comment style, I’m guessing you missed those two games since you became a Cardinals fan once they clinched the division.
And if you’re gonna correct my grammar on reason, try and use correct grammar yourself. It’d give you a little more credibility.
by David Fucillo on Jun 17, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
First loss was Just Turn Overs… the second was utter confusion due to indigestion from too much marztipan…
Actually the Cards pretty much kicked our ass the 2nd half of the 1st game. Scoreboard said the difference was 10 points but it felt like 21. Oh well, it was familiar tune in the Nolan era.
2nd half of the 1st game
Was all JTO’s fault.
by SportsChicken on Jun 17, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we please stop crying about JTO?
He’s gone. We’ll never have to see him again.
We sucked for a lot of reasons last year, and he was only one of them. I really wish 49er fans would stop answering every point with “yeah, well that was all JTO’s fault..”
This is directed at everyone. Not just you, magnet.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
I heard that !!!!
This is a new year, and much to look forward to…So what is the value in “…shouda, coulda, woulda…” As was once said by that very Famous duo Bill and Ted once said,,, " Acknowledge and move on dude…"
In case any body is interested, I heard an interview with T. Spikes on KNBR a short time ago. Man I am telling you, I like what I am hearing about the attitude and mind set of this team and especially the defense. The road to the playoffs in the NFC west is going through SF and that is no bull.
“…GO NINERS…”!!!!!!
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
Really?
The Cardinals are still terrible. We’ve won more Super Bowls than they have playoff games in the last quarter century, so please….enough about the “great” Cardinals.
And don’t call out Fooch for missing a letter when one of your ignorant players brutalized, beat, and raped the English language only to leave it on the side of the road in the trunk of a car.
And trust us, dude, nobody on this site fears the Cardinals. One playoff berth in how long? How many playoff wins? Just know that you MAY win the division this year, but as soon as Warner is gone, the Cardinals will be back below the Rams where they belong at the bottom of the division.
"We’ve won more Super Bowls than they have playoff games in the last quarter century, so please….enough about the "great" Cardinals."
Because those Super Bowl victories are relevant to the team’s success now.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It is relevant
compared to a team that hasn’t won ANYTHING EVER.
I’m just saying, don’t talk about my team when the Cardinals get lucky and actually make the playoffs one year. The Niners have had a few down years. The Cardinals have down decades. Big difference.
"compared to a team that hasn’t won ANYTHING EVER."
But that’s entirely irrelevant when the fact of the matter is that the Cardinals have been far better than the 49ers in recent times. If Super Bowl victories from the past counted from now, the 49ers, Cowboys, and Steelers would be the league’s most dominant teams year in and year out.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
So if we are talking "recent times"...
I guess you forgot ‘07 already when the Niners swept the Cardinals. On top of that, the Cardinals were not a playoff team. So you guys had one good fluke season, our post season I should say, because the regular season wasn’t good. So shut the f*** up already about the Cardinals, they suck.
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I appreciate the comment, but let’s avoid telling people to shut the _ up. It adds nothing to the conversation.
by David Fucillo on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a conversation here?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 17, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I didn't forget that.
But it seems like you already forgot ‘08 (you know, more recently) when the Cardinals swept the 49ers. And the Cardinals may have had one good fluke season, but the 49ers haven’t had a winning season in 6 seasons and counting.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually...your comment is not quite accurate
After reviewing each teams records since 2002 (the 49ers last year of revelancy) both clubs are posting an unimpressive record of 42-70…the breakdown is as follows:
Cardinals
5-11 (2002)
4-12 (2003)
6-10 (2004)
5-11 (2005)
5-11 (2006)
8-8 (2007)
9-7 (2008)
49ers:
10-6 (2002)
7-9 (2003)
2-14 (2004)
4-12 (2005)
7-9 (2006)
5-11 (2007)
7-9 (2008)
In no way has the Cardinals been dominate. They made a one game improvement (regular season) from the previous year and the 49ers (as far as points allowed) were way superiour on defense. Given the past history of losing Super Bowl teams performance for the past few years…I’d say we are in for the Cardinals having either a rash of injuries, or back to playing terrible (or predictable) Arizona football!
by Harlem on Jun 17, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow
those numbers written out for the 9ers from 03-08 look even more painful than actually watching them lose all those years
I never said the Cardinals have been 'dominate'
I’m saying they have been better than the 49ers recently, ie the last 2 seasons.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Last one season
Could have swore somebody just told you that two years ago the Niners swept the Cardinals. Like we said, don’t let one fluke year fool you.
Then again, this guy is apparently a Seahawks fan, so he has it down pat when talking about teams fluke playoff runs. : )
Hmm. Sure, the Cardinals have had one fluke season.
The 49ers can’t even hold claim to one of those. They’ve had one of the lowest overall winning percentages since the division realignments, and 8-8 > 5-11.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 18, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
You're missing the point.....
….when the Niners DO have bad years, we have good memories to fall back on. What do Seahawks and Cardinals fans think about in down years? What do you guys reflect on?
Why is a Seahawks fan even talking about this?
Speaking of teams who get lucky once in the playoffs……
LoL
This is coomical
The comment and all. Where we were annhilated and we fear the birds and GEES……L.M.A.S.T.T.F.F.
M. S. #50
Cowboys and Favre
I’m not sure how the players currently on the team feel about rivialries, but I can’t stand the Cowboys and Brett Favre for knocking so many good 49ers teams out of the playoffs. The 49ers would be at least tied with the Steelers 6 super bowl championships if it weren’t for these two entities.
The 9ers would be tied...
had idiot Rogeer Craig not fumbled the fricken ball!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Cardinals are a Warner injury from being relevant
They had a great year in 08/09 as they got hot at exactly the right time in the playoffs but they still couldn’t pull it off.
Warner is getting up there in age but is still a good QB especially with the Cards’ wideouts. However, he is not mobile at all and they will be passing a lot so you have to figure opposing teams will be gunning for Warner any chance they get with all types of blitzes. We all saw the weaknesses of Warner as a NY Giant once the D-line pressure got to him.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
Warner's weakness.
To get to Warner you have to pressure him without blitzing.
Pressure him with the front 4 and he’s screwed.
by SportsChicken on Jun 17, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Too bad we're incapable of doing this.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Hasnt that been...
99% of all QBs’ weakness?
by Poundtherock on Jun 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The Nature of Modern Rivalries
I’ve been a 49er fan since the early 1970s, when I was just old enough to care about football. At that time, the 49ers were rivals with the LA Rams (their main rival for the division) and the Dallas Cowboys (who knocked them from the playoffs a couple of times). By the early 80s the Cowboys sucked and basically the rivalry died until the triplets and that damned o-line came along in the 90s and suddenly the rivalry was back on. In short, I think you cannot force a rivalry, but if you are constantly facing each other in meaningful games, the rivalry will develop naturally. Having said that, things have changed with free agency. Sometimes this can actually add fuel to the fire, for the fans at least (wasn’t there a sense of betrayal when Charles Haley went to the Cowboys after starting his career as a 49er?), but I imagine for the players free agency weakens the sense of attachment to any one organization.
9ers and Dallas
Actually the 9er -Dallas rivalry was peaked in the early 80’s when we beat the dirty dogs at the stick when Montana and the gang won the NFC championship and went on to win sweet 16. Dallas was never the same after that.( didn’t someone get Tom Landry’s hat???)
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
They are alive
I do believe that there are Rivalries still alive and well, but as a lifelong 49er fan, I never really saw or felt like we had any true rivalries! I guess being in the Military and living in other parts of the country, I have been able to see true rivalries, and would never truly associate our team as being in one. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see us ever really having one with the Rams or the Cowboys. I mean I do hate the Cow Girls, and the Oakland Traders, but that’s personal and I don’t see them as team rivals. We have never had anything I can remember as say the likes of, The Cowboys vs. the Redskins, Yankee vs. Red Sox, or even the NFC North’s 3-way with Vikings, Bears, and Green Bay! I mean there is true hatred there!! Our organization just has never had that with any team, which is fine by me. I love the 49ers but I also love watching football period.
Niners and Rams
Actually the 9ers had a huge rivalry in 70’s and 80’s with Rams, Once the 9ers became so dominant and the rams moved to ST. the rivalry died. I can remember that even the the season appeared to be domed with nothing to look forward to except “… beat the friggin rams….”
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
9er's Vs. 70's and 80's Rams
Was just not the same as what I Mentioned in my post! I was alive and kicking during that era, but I really don’t see it comparing to any true hard core rivalries! Heck to me I would have felt like there was a more of a rivalry between The Falcons and us, but just because you are a division opponent doesn’t make the games an automatic rivalry! Try living in those areas’s I mentioned and tell people that you don’t like the home team and that your favorite team is the locals rival, If you survived then you will truly see what I am talking about. People have died because of those rivalries, I’ve never heard of a demented Rams or Niner fan killing someone because of the rivalry and the hatred for the other team! Anyways, this is just my opinion on the matter.
It's a Calif. thing
Not sure if you are a Ca native or not. I am and the 9er -Ram deal was as much of Norther Ca. vs So Cal thing as it was about football ( kinda like the Giants and Dogers in baseball)
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 18, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
From SJ
Born and raised in California, I am from San Jose originally, Grew up a rocks throw from the Winchester Mystery house. Ok maybe not a rock and more of a real good Frisbee throw! But since being in the military now for over 20 years, I have just lived in many places and seen how some people are as far as their rivalries go, and I don’t ever remember seeing the hatred displayed like that towards the Rams or Cow Girls! As for the Giants and Dodgers rivalry, I think it’s humorous because that the rivalry actually started when both teams were on the east coast, now I hate to say it but I am a fan of both those teams.
Cool
I was raised mostly in the SJ area as well. Went to 3 different high schools. I went to Lick when Plunkett played ( yea.. an old fart) Camden / Lick / Campbel I like the one about the Cow Girls as for the Dogers well we all have our problems.. Just kidding!!!
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 18, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Blackford HS
Well I went Blackford HS. I heard it is an adult education center now or something like that? Heck , I haven’t been back to San Jose since the late 89. Plunket’s last year in the league was i was a little more than half way through HS, so you can’t be much older than me if at all! LOL. Oh and I have always called St. Louis the Lambs. I also remember saying the New Orleans Aints! I Miss the old days with the aints, the Lambs, and the Dirty Birds as our division opponents. Then 95 came around and we had the little kitty cat enter the league that we got to kick around! Then In 2002 they had to come in a screw the whole division up!!! So yeah maybe we had a Rivary with the Lambs, but it just doesn’t feel like it anymore, Maybe if I was living in the Bay Area still It would. But like I said before, living in the D.C area and Texas for a combined 12 years in the last 20, I have seen those two area’s and how they just hate each other with a passion I never saw in the Bay Area.
Darnell Dockett's spelling/grammar
It’s worse than T.O.’s!
Is this what the world has come to?
I heard on SNL that some guy sent the first tweet from outer space.
It was: “Launch was awesome!”
So we went from “One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind” to “Launch was awesome!”
Pathetic.
To be fair, it's hard to take a Cardinals rivalry seriously.
Seeing as they’re possibly the most irrelevant overall franchise in the NFL.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Yet, they have a new Stadium...
and 49er fan myopia is much stronger than Cardinal fan myopia, even though the 49ers haven’t had a winning season in years.
Well, we're waiting....
What does the stadium have to do with anything?
That means they have fans willing to consistently pay to attend games. As for their relevancy as a franchise overall in the NFL, they are about on par with the Saints or Lions.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
An irrelevant franchise has a new Stadium....
And a team that has fast gone irrelevant does not.
The Dynasty/Walsh years are gone. John York made sure of that. That’s what you are missing here.
Well, we're waiting....
I don't understand what your point is.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is what you are missing...
The Cardinals, who have some real issues with Ownership, have managed to not only build a new Stadium, but also represent the NGC in last year’s Super Bowl. One reason why? They now play in the NFCW, which means they have a now mediocre franchise in the SF 49ers in their division (who BTW still don’t have a new Stadium) that gives them a better shot at the playoffs than being in the NFCE.
Any guesses why the 49ers are still mediocre?
Well, we're waiting....
From an AZ fan, the new stadium has been huge
It not only generates $$ that can be used to pay coaches outside of the salary cap, it also makes attracting coaches and free agents much easier. At the old stadium in the AZ heat, average attendance was about 35,000 (excluding the Dallas game which was more than 50% Dallas fans). The new stadium has been sold out all 3 years. I can’t stree that enough. I used to be the Cards were blacked out because of non sellouts.
Players also talk about the facility or lack thereof. Ownership is still the same, but after years of mediocrity, the Cards have atleast been respectable the last two years and are looking good again this year. I attribute it mostly to the new stadium. It has created a new mindset. Unless you’ve been in the situation its hard to explain, but I can feel the difference in the team in the new stadium.
If SF gets a new stadium, it will make them a better team, just like it has the Cards.
And yes, I do think the NFL tries to create divisional rivalries in scheduling games. That’s their job.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay.
But I was referring to the fact that Cardinals haven’t been much of a competitive franchise in most of their history.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as The Cards are in...
The NFCW, they have a shot at the playoffs, rather than being in the NFCE. The West is the worst division in the NFC, and that also means a mediocre team in the 49ers have that same shot.
Well, we're waiting....
9-7 is a mediocre record
The Cards got hot! Thats it! To me they are just as mediocre as the 9ers have been.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Gotta give them credit..
For what they did in the playoffs Bubba. Not doing that is just plain sour grapes.
Well, we're waiting....
Free Agency killed the big rivalries.
Not that I’m against free agency. On the contrary, it’s been very good for the players on the whole. But it’s very hard to get frothy about a game against the Rams when Issac Bruce, the guy who decimated the 9ers again and again, is now on our team. And Mike Singletary, the quintessential 1980’s Bear, is now our HC. I mean, who is “us” and who is “them” any more? Kind of like watching Joe Montana making a run at the Superbowl playing for the Chiefs – who do you root for? These days I just want to watch good football, period.
Teams on the move
I think another big factor in the close of the old rivalries is movement of some of the teams/ Expansion teams replacing other teams that have moved and then throw in the new NFL structure with realligend teams and divisions. . I still have a hard time thinking of the Seahawks as an NFC team. There used to be a big rivalry between the Hawks and the Raiders…
Cards from St. L. to AZ and replaced by the Rams.
Rams from LA to ST. L.
Oilers just plain died and replaced 2 decades later by the Texans
Colts from Baltimore to Indiana and replaced two decades later by the Ravens.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i thought oilers were replaced by the titans??
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
correct
So in that, it should be Oilers from Hou to Tenn and replaced by Texans.
by David Fucillo on Jun 17, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Opps...
Thanks for the clarification. It’s realy amazing how much change there has been the NFL in last 10 years. I realy think that rivalries have a place and are very much one of the reasons why many fans get excited about certain games.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a great comment from Steve Young ...
… on the rivalry with the Cowboys. Interviewed by NFL Films on the Super Bowl XXIX win, he got all misty-eyed about the Championship game against Dallas prior to the Super Bowl. His quote went something like: “You don’t show up in training camp to prepare for the Falcons or the Saints, you turn up in training camp to beat Dallas … and Dallas has gone now.” Love it.
from a fan of the 80's and 90's "
In case you haven’t heard the 9ers were named the TEAM OF THE 90’s . Read’m and weep dude…"
I agree that the past is past, but dude, the past is the real deal and is as done.. ,,, and gues what if your team didn’t make it gues what "they just didn’t make it,’ Suck it up and get over it dude. A true Niner fan knows and uderstands that the “.. NINERS WILL RULE AGAIN..” … so …
“..LETS GO NINERRRSS..”
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 17, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
In case you haven’t heard the 9ers were named the TEAM OF THE 90’s
actually TEAM OF THE 80’s. We won 4 SB’s in the 80’s, 1 in the 90’s. The Cowboys are the Team Of The 90’s.
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
A Franchise as old and Prestiguous as ours deserves a better rival.
This is definitely a rivalry when you look at divisions. It’s like your little brother who has been in the weight room while lyou were off to college and he roughed you up a few times. And trust me you don’t forget, you don’t even speak on it. You just show up on THANKSGIVING and then you show him why you’re BIG brother.
Get out the Dustpan Dockett, cuz we got the brooms, 2-0 this year baby, 2-0.
M. S. #50
jesus the intelligence is killing me.
If I make a mistake on a route, I might drop a ball or there might be an interception," tight end John Carlson said. "If they make a mistake, it might be life or death. It really puts it into perspective.
(regarding refueling planes over the pacific ocean). from sando’s blog.
There is nothing wrong with those comments.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they were actually visiting some soldiers, if I remember correctly.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Its great that he appreciates the soldiers...
and I love that he was visiting our guys! But thats kind of a random comment pwarren85, I really dont know where your going with it. lol.
Gives me some new respect for John Carlson though!
by Poundtherock on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
they were taking a plane ride. with sando.
sando went for some ride on a plane with a few seahawks guys, and his closet seahawkfanness came out. wasnt soldiers, but to compare refueling a plane and running a route is just stupid.
aw :(
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 18, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
"That first one I'm amusing is meant to say 'what in the hell...' "
Not to be that guy, but I think you meant to say assuming there. I wouldn’t point it out but I must say it is fairly hypocritical to criticize Dockett if you are going to misspell things too.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 18, 2009 12:54 AM PDT reply actions
corrected
Thanks for the heads-up. Although I will say I wasn’t criticizing him. A guy with big fingers like Dockett (I’m assuming since he’s a big guy that he’s got big fingers) could very easily have typos when texting to his Twitter page. So more just pointing out a potential fact. I’ve actually heard the phrase fat fingers used quite frequently when it comes to texting mistakes, particularly on iPhones.
by David Fucillo on Jun 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah has anyone ever read Shaq's twitter?
that guys spells at least 4 words wrong in every post
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
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