New Stadium DESIGN
Most folks around here at ninersnation are well aware that a proposal is on the table to build a new stadium based on this design in Santa Clara. jobrien put up a fanpost the other day about the new stadium, and urnext opened a discussion of the finances of the deal--and the last thing I want to do here is to step on what was discussed there. What I'm wondering about is this: how satisfied are you with the design of this specific stadium? This means that I'm not concerned with whether you're ok with the move to Santa Clara, nor with whether you're concerned about the legitimacy of the team retaining the San Fransisco title, nor with whether it's a good enough deal for the team or Santa Clara.
The reason I ask the question is this: many of the new stadiums these days kill their teams' home field advantage by putting the seats too far from the field (Gilette Stadium) or by removing the lid (Indy's new stadium) or by doing various other things. If you don't believe me, read this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/partone/081121. Does anyone know whether they ran this design by an acoustical engineer? Seattle is one of the few places that did this right when building their new stadium, and they were able to do it right because they asked these questions ahead of time. The result has been a formidable home field advantage--a place where your cheering actually makes a difference on the field. Crowd noise makes a huge difference in your team's rushing attack (check Michael Turner's home vs. away yards per carry averages, for example) and in your team's defense overall, since opposing team's offensive lines can't fly off the ball if they don't hear the snap--and that's not even mentioning false start penalties. And hey Fooch--next time you have a sit down with your buddy Jed York, could you ask him about this?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Crowd noise
I have no idea if the team ran any acoustical studies, but by looking at the renderings I would think the crowd noise would not be amplified by this design. The shallow slope of the seats and minimal overhang of upper decks would allow noise to easily escape the stadium. Compared to Seattle where the stands look much closer and the large overhang of the partial roof allow noise to reverb for awhile.
http://www.nflteamhistory.com/images/stadiums/big/seattle_seahawks.jpg
by De Stijl on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
While I definitely see what you’re saying, the new stadium design seems like it should be able to hold sound with about the same efficiency as Arrowhead stadium can, and Arrowhead has long been considered ridiculous homefield advantage. The seats at Arrowhead do seem steeper, especially in the lower deck, but the upper deck doesn’t look that much different.
by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bank steepness, box seat location
It’s a bit tough to tell (since the pics aren’t architectural drawings): if the seats look like this:

and less like this:

I’ll be happier.
One of the things I definitely like is the suite stack; the fact that all the suites are on one side ensures that the seats with the real fans will at least be close to the action where they can make maximum noise.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 18, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The suite stack is sweet.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 18, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stadium looks cool
but who cares about the stadium, I just want a contender. I still struggle with the fact that the 49ers are going to be in Santa Clara. Never really been a big fan of the South Bay.
by FriscoJoe on Jun 18, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"I just want a contender"
My point is, though, that a team with a home field advantage (that is at least partially influenced by the design of their stadium) will help the team be a contender.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 18, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Privately funded stadiums
Have a tendency to be designed around the luxury box seats and other high revenue generating areas. Typically items like acoustics and fan friendly seating arrangements are secondary concerns. That’s the trade off of private money vs public money.
by bignerd on Jun 18, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
that doesn’t bode well.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the design I don’t think it’s too bad. For privately funded stadiums the trend has been to build 2-3 rows of luxury box seats around the entire circumference, which in in effect has ruined the cheap seats of several constructed stadiums. This design has a tower of luxury box seats all on one side of the stadium. This design looks like it will offer cheap seats with still a good view and that tower of luxury boxes should make a great wall for bouncing off sound. I’d say this design holds more promise.
by bignerd on Jun 18, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
(for reasons stated above)
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Jun 18, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Thats a good point. How close will the stadium be to public transportation? (amtrak & caltrain)
by FriscoJoe on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
transportation
If it goes up in that Great America parking lot, people would take CalTrain down to Mountain View and then I believe switch over to the Santa Clara VTA – a commuter rail type service of sorts.
by Fooch on Jun 18, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I looked and saw that there was a Great America station for Capitol Corridor Amtrak and ACE…. easy commute from Sacramento/Valley/ Greater East Bay. I’m in.
by FriscoJoe on Jun 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that.
If the BART Extension is completed ( 18’ 19’) as scheduled to San Jose it will go to the Great Mall in Milpitas. Which means that one could ride the BART and take a short transfer from VTA.
Now since this stadiums completion would by far predate the completion of the BART line to SJ, it wouldn’t seem too far fetched for BART to run a small extension to the stadium itself (Like SFO)? I mean why not?
by goatfather on Jun 20, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pointing out error in the most friendly way possible:
18’ – 19’ = 18 feet to 19 feet
’18 – ’19 = a period of time between the years xx18 and xx19
Again, not trying to be an ass. Just saying.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 20, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
I should remove the parentheses as well?
Would you prefer an indentation?
By the way BART stand for Bay Area Rapid Transit
SFO is the airport code for San Fransisco International Airport
Just thought I’d be clear so nobody here thinks Bart Simpson will grow 18 or 19 feet somewhere in the South Bay.
by goatfather on Jun 21, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh...
Like I said, I wasn’t trying to be an ass. It was the second time I’d seen you make the error, so I saw it as an opportunity to help you out. Clearly, that was foolish of me.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said you weren’t trying to be an ass. He made no such claim.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 23, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have very little idea how or if this could work
but I’d be curious to see if those luxury boxes could be built so that instead of having normal glass windows they effectively have magnifying glass so that it would seem like they’re really close to the action.
Any engineers out there who want to weigh in? would it take more than curved and thickened glass to achieve this (I’m betting yes)?
by foosball4949 on Jun 18, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds...
… like a surefire way to screw up your eyesight. I don’t think there is a way to make one magnifying glass suit a box of 20-30 people who all want to see the game. There is only one focal point to share for all of them.
by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i kinda thought that might be the case
maybe someday something like that could work
by foosball4949 on Jun 20, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…especially when the sun comes in the windows. Remember ants & magnifying glasses?
You show me a man with a sense of pride, and I'l show you a guy with limited options.
by cervant on Jun 23, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong that this comment actually makes me MORE interested in the idea?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks Great!
Will be easier to get to than the Stick and love all of the angles and views.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fan friendly?
I thought I heard the stadium was supposed to be super fan friendly……
The lower deck looks as if it will be packed with REAL fans
I don’t know how the tailgaiting will work out though
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 18, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Parking lot
If I’m not mistaken, the 49ers were planning on using GA’s primary lot as kind of an overflow lot, too. I think this is one of the primary reasons why GA is so against the 49ers building there (that, and the fact they aren’t really getting any compensation for giving up the land they’re leasing, I don’t think).
According to Maiocco (or maybe it was Barrows), the smaller lot the stadium will be built on should have enough room for tailgaters and the like.
by sfgfan on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PSLs?
I’m a season ticket holder, and wonder if (how much?) they’ll ask for a PSL so I can keep my tickets.
Then there’s the issue of placement. Right now our seats are on the 45. That will probably cost us a small fortune to hang on to.
You show me a man with a sense of pride, and I'l show you a guy with limited options.
by cervant on Jun 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Us ticket holders....
Unfortunatly we’ll probably get raped on PSL’s. Sad but that’s what we get with a new funhouse.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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