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NFC West Position-by-Position: Offensive Tackle

Up to this point we've discussed quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends and center. By an accident of my own making we jumped to tackle instead of just moving down the line to guard.  I don't think it's a particularly big deal, but just a heads-up.  The two tackle positions could be make or break for the 49ers this year.  I think Joe Staley will be showing improvement, but the real question is what we'll get from Marvel Smith.  There's also of course Adam Snyder and Alex Boone to create some depth, so who knows what'll happen.

I'd say it's probably easier to compare offensive tackles than centers.  Given that Kurt Warner stayed on his feet most of last season, the Cardinals might be grading on a tough curve.  We came up with the following rankings:

1. Seattle Seahawks
2. San Francisco 49ers
3. St. Louis Rams
4. Arizona Cardinals

Seattle Seahawks
Blogger
: John Morgan
I’m in a tough spot. There was a time I would guess about Walter Jones. I would guess if he’s healthy enough to play and if healthy enough to play, at what level. I won’t do that. Because of that, Seattle’s tackle ranking is incomplete. Jones is one of the five best offensive tackles to ever play in the NFL. Even as late as last year, he played at a high level. He turned 35 this January. He ended last season on IR and underwent some kind of microfracture surgery. The success rate for players of his age, weight and who play a line position is not good, but that’s for all microfracture surgeries. The team insists this was a "minor" surgery and that Jones will be ready by training camp.

Primary right tackle Sean Locklear is Seattle’s immediate depth behind Jones. Locklear started two games at left tackle last season. His first, against New England, matched him opposite future Hall of Fame defensive end Richard Seymour. Seymour is a matchup nightmare for Locklear. Locklear has a few above average skills. He mirror slides very well and is rarely beat around the edge. His overall footwork allows him to play well in space or when isolated, and he does a great job of keeping himself between the quarterback and the defender. He has decent blocking technique and can get under defenders, but isn’t a mauler and isn’t overpowering. Seymour is powerhouse end that’s made a career out of overwhelming, overpowering and outlasting opposing tackles. He targets Locklear’s greatest weakness: The ability to sustain blocks especially against a bull rush. Yet Locklear held his own. He played strong against Seymour and looked capable of becoming a competent left tackle.

Seattle didn’t get many chances to test Locklear’s aptitude. He was lost for the season one week later. Kyle Williams started the next two games. It took a lot of game-planning, but Seattle survived. Should Williams start, Seattle would almost certainly have one of the worst regulars at left tackle in the NFL, but he’s starter capable. The Seahawks are legitimately three-deep at left tackle. There’s good if not substantial proof that Jones, Locklear or Williams at left tackle and field a capable offense.

The other big body in the tackle mix is Ray Willis. Tim Ruskell drafted him in the fourth round of the 2005 draft. Willis is a huge body, hugely powerful and surprisingly athletic. He doesn’t handle the edge rush well and is a confirmed right tackle, but given tight end help or a chip when needed and he’s a good enough overall pass blocker. He is a very good run blocker and capable of being great. With a healthy Jones, Willis probably starts at right guard or works as a super-sub. Locklear starts at right and is a potential league-best pass-blocking right tackle. It was Seattle’s pass blocking that made its 2007 passing offensive possible.

The Seahawks could toy with Max Unger at tackle, but probably won’t. For deep depth there’s Na’Shan Goddard, who’s more size than athlete, and William Robinson, who’s more athlete than size. (He’s built like basketball player.) The grade flexes on Jones. Without him it’s an average unit that could collapse. Greater exposure may prove Locklear incapable of playing left tackle. Neither Locklear nor Willis are consistently healthy. There’s "A" potential and there’s "F" potential. I’ll put my faith in Walter and call it a "B".

Star-divide

San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch
The 49ers offensive tackles are yet another tough group to call.  If everybody stays healthy, this unit could be a very solid strength for the team.  If they're beset by a couple of injuries, they could come down like a house of cards.

The projected starters are Joe Staley at left tackle and Marvel Smith at right tackle.  Staley is entering his third season in the league and his second season as the left tackle.  He struggled at times last year, but over the course of the season developed into a solid guy on the blind side.  The 49ers rewarded him this offseason with a contract extension that will keep him a 49er through 2017.  He is going to be the anchor of this offensive line for a long time to come.

On the other side is Marvel Smith.  The 49ers added him this offseason in hopes that he could fill the hole on the right side.  Smith has dealt with numerous injury issues which left him on the free agent market longer than he probably would have liked.  If he can stay healthy, the Oakland native could be a monster on the right side and give the 49ers two great bookends for the OL.  Given the recent past I'm not exactly holding my breath, but the upside here is quite tremendous.

If Smith goes down (or if Staley does for that matter), the 49ers primary backups are Adam Snyder and Barry Sims.  Sims is running out of time in this league and it showed at times last year.  He and Snyder split time at right tackle once Jonas Jennings went down with his annual injury.  I personally think Snyder handled himself capably after getting bounced back and forth between tackle and guard.  He actually started the first seven games of the season at left guard, before being benched a week and then taking over at right tackle for six weeks.  Although it's nice to show versatility, Adam Snyder will benefit by being able to finally concentrate on just on position.

A wildcard for the 49ers is undrafted free agent Alex Boone.  At one point Boone was projected as a potential top three round tackle.  Unfortunately his season was a bust as he had major alcohol issues leading to an arrest and tasering at one point.  If Boone can keep sober, he could provide some much needed depth this season.  At the same time, I'd imagine he's working with a rather short leash.

In grading this team, I was tempted to go relatively high again.  I think by the end of the year, we'll (or at least 49ers will) be looking back at the 49ers tackles as quite the strength for this team.  I think a little more consistency on the offensive line, starting at the tackle positions, will be extremely beneficial to the team.  At the same time, Joe Staley did struggle at times and will need to show continued improvement (which I am confident we'll see).  And of course, Marvel Smith has to prove he can stay healthy.  If he goes down, Snyder is a capable backup, but in the end that's all he is for now.  If we had minuses or pluses I'd probably go B-/C+, but I'll round down for now and expect to be proven wrong. Grade: C

St. Louis Rams
Blogger
: VanRam
The Rams enter new territory this season with long time fixture on the offensive line Orlando Pace gone, released and later signed by the Bears. It would be hard for many Rams fans to imagine life without Pace on the offensive line if they hadn't already had a taste of that since Pace has played in less than half of the team's games over the last three seasons.

Moving Alex Barron from the right to the left side was the first move of the post-Pace era. Barron has always been a solid blocker in both facets of the offense, but many within the organization felt they could get the most out of his talents on the left side given his wing span and athletic ability.  Barron has to overcome his penalty problem to be effective and reach his potential, and some have questioned Barron's passion for the game. Nevertheless, he has been on the field, sometimes playing through injuries, for every game in the last three seasons. The new coaching staff seems to like what Barron has to offer and has made getting the most out of him a top priority, including bringing a ref to practice to drive home the point and help players learn snap counts in the new offense. Barron's hardly a bust, but can he reach his full potential?

On the other side, is the second pick from this year's draft, Jason Smith. Smith comes to the league with a reputation as an already solid pass blocker. Those too quick to discount his run blocking should know that 65% of Baylor's rushing yards came on his side of the field last season. There's no question this kid can play. The only questions Smith faces are: how high is his ceiling and how quickly can he reach it? The Rams can afford to let him develop, but they need for him to be a solid contributor in his rookie year. Fortunately, it's not unusual for top rookie OTs to play well in their first season.

The primary backup at OT is University of Wyoming product Adam Goldberg, a versatile lineman who has played well filling in for the numerous injured Rams starters in recent seasons. Goldberg's a reliable backup and the team doesn't lose much when he's playing.

Behind Goldberg, the depth chart has what you'd expect: some guys with nice potential plucked from the undrafted free agent ranks. Most notable among them is former Florida LT Phil Trautwein, a first team All-SEC player in 2008. Not bad for a guy who missed his entire '07 season with a fractured foot. Plenty of people will be watching when he puts the pads on at camp this summer to see if Devaney plucked another useful player from obscurity.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this group. For now, they get a C+.

Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
The Cardinals offensive tackles are one of the more polarizing position groups on the team. Some fans will tell you that the combo of Mike Gandy and Levi Brown are two guards playing out of position who can't handle speed rushers and aren't holding their own in the running game. Other fans will say that the duo is pretty productive considering that they are often left on an island in pass coverage and have a statue for a QB. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle of the pack, with a slight lean to the latter, although I wouldn't be terribly surprised if both Gandy and Brown performed better at guard.

Overall the combo of Gandy and Brown are dependable starters in my mind. Gandy is the better of the two right now because he's better equipped to handle speed rushers, regardless of how bad he looked in the Super Bowl. He's adequate in the running game although he'll never be mistaken for a mauler, but overall he's a dependable protector of Kurt Warner's blind side. Levi Brown has been a bit of an enigma as he enters his third season and his biggest problem as a professional so far is being consistent. At times he looks like a physical protector worthy of his draft pick status while other times he can't handle speed rushers or move anyone in the running game. Still though, the talent is there and if Brown can manage to perform at a consistent level he'll be solid starter in this league for many years.

The backup situation is hard to explain because two of the three top backups can and likely will play guard at some point in their careers. To start simple, Elliot Vallejo is the primary backup at left tackle and the coaching staff thinks he's got starting potential somewhere in his future. Vallejo's future will likely be tested next off season as Gandy is a free agent and Vallejo would seem to be the first in line to fill the void, unless Brandon Keith gets into the mix. Keith, last year's seventh round pick, has turned heads since his very first practice last summer and he will be a starter somewhere on the line in the very near future. Last year Keith focused on right tackle but so far this off season he's been working at right guard. Some, mainly myself, think he's being prepped to start at right guard this season before stepping into a different starting role in 2010. Herman Johnson, this year's fifth round pick, is currently working out at right tackle but most think it's just a matter of time before he settles in at right guard.

Looking at the group as a whole, I'd say the starters are average or something very close to that and the depth is well above average. With that in mind, my grade is a C.

Poll
Who has the best offensive tackles in the NFC West (starters and depth)?
Seattle Seahawks
67 votes
San Francisco 49ers
219 votes
St. Louis Rams
10 votes
Arizona Cardinals
25 votes

321 votes | Poll has closed

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::In before 49ers lead this poll by some 80 odd percent::

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

offseason polls

It’s a poll on a 49ers fan site. Should it really be all that surprising?

by David Fucillo on Jun 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha I guess not.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Seattle....

But I still think the 49ers are “da best”
lol

by SportsChicken on Jun 19, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Seattle aswell

When healthy they are brutal.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jun 19, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We when all the polls on here.

by bignerd on Jun 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

fooch

I think a C is a little harsh. Quit being so afraid to give a B. I have heard you do it often and are MAYBE trying to dispell that rumor of Bitis.

by hudd07 on Jun 19, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

grade

I agree it was probably a bit harsh. I think I graded down a bit due to the issues that could arise with a Marvel Smith injury….which coud easily happen given his recent history.

by David Fucillo on Jun 19, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it was pretty fair.

Average production from each tackle position is about what you can expect at this point, no?

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 20, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

'Quit being so afraid to give a B.'

Dot dot dot.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marvel Smith

Marvel smith says that he is fine. He said the only reason he got a bad reputation for having back problems is because the first time the doctors operated on him they did NOT fix the spot that was the problem and the back flared up again. After that they found the real problem and fixed that and he says now it has been repaired and is totally in the past. IF that is true,then we have a Pro Bowl Tackle at RT and clearly have the best tandem and backup in the NFC West. That is why those who have heard Smith talk about his injury and how it is all behind him,understand that clearly the Niners have the best Tackles in the West and why we voted for the Niners in that poll.

by TOP_CAT on Jun 19, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL....

See what you do with these polls Fooch? They come out of the woodwork.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 19, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly expect Marvel Smith to go out and say something along the lines of

‘No, my back acts up every now and then and I’m not sure I’ll ever be 100%, but thanks for the contract and starting gig!’

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But time will tell. We atleast did not over pay him like Jonas Jennings.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jun 19, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NIner

offensive line is experienced, having played together for awhile now, and deep. Biggest surprise will be Alex Boone. This kid can play, and at 6-8, 328 he blocks out the sun.

Kezarvet

by kezarvet on Jun 20, 2009 6:23 AM PDT reply actions  

"I block out the sun. I am become death, destroyer of worlds."

I could see someone shouting that just before getting tazed by the cops.

Boone is definitely a beast, but there is a lot more to being a tackle than just size/frame/mass. In addition to overcoming his personal demons, he has to develop the skills/balance/etc to match up with NFL DEs.

by ninjasocks on Jun 21, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much on the mark

I don’t need to mention what happen with line the last two years .My problem is the backups. Boone may be Okay, but it will take a year before he’s a quality player. Simms is done and the rest are just that, backups. I believe that the coaches will make a difference this year and the line will show improvement. BUT, the Niners need to invest in a top line Draftee or two next year to solidfy the line for years to come.

by LASVEGASNINER on Jun 20, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

This was the first time I voted against the niners

but in general the NFC west has pretty sh*tty tackles

by foosball4949 on Jun 20, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, the division in general doesn't have any strong offensive line players.

Walter Jones and Orlando Pace were elite tackles and were building Hall of Fame resumes but both are either declining our out. Steve Hutchinson is as close as it gets to a Hall of Fame guard but we all know how that turned out…

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Difficult to grade this early, but he 9er OL will be better.

For several reasons:
1. Fewer 7-step drops. The first half of last year with JTO at QB was a nightmare for an Olineman. Martz called lots of 7-step drops on slow-developing plays and JTO had a problem holding onto the ball too long. The line had to hold off the pass rush for far too long on too many plays, and it showed. The new offense should reduce that problem significantly.
2. More cohesion. Last year we had major position switches at LG, RG, and RT over the season. With the exception of RT, the line now appears to be stable and playing together through TC will allow them to develop some cohesion, and that should result in better play, especially in pass pro.
3. Better receiver group. Last year we had…well, just Issac Bruce mostly, and nobody in the league feared our receivers. That allowed them to just tee off on obvious passing downs and bring the safeties. Hopefully, our new, improved crew at WR will keep teams honest and the safeties in the defensive secondary on passing downs. This should make it easier for the OTs to keep the flies off the QB.
4. A run-first offense. I suspect defenses will be more interested in stopping our power running game than beating up the QB and will keep their bigger linemen and LBs in rather than the pass rush specialists. This should help out the OTs by giving the speed rushers fewer opportunities.

But what happens if M. Smith’s back problems return? Can Snyder get it done? Or Boone? Those are really big questions that we just don’t know the answers to yet. And until they are, I’d have to agree with the C grade. Within the division, I’d say the 9ers and the Seahawks are tied at the top with Cs, the Cards third with a C-, and the Rams fourth with a D. But that’s just for OTs, and we all know that good OLs are dependent on teamwork and knowing how the player next to you will react on any given play. If we were comparing OLs within the division, I’d give the 9ers a B+, the Seahawks a C+, the Cards a C, and the Rams a D.

I think Raye’s offense will take some pressure off the Oline in pass pro and let them do more of what every Olineman loves, run blocking. If they can dominate the LOS on run plays, it will create opportunities in the passing game. And if our QB and receivers can exploit those opportunities, we’ll see a much improved offense.

by MontanaPass on Jun 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

There really isn't any justification for the 49ers having the division's best offensive line...

when you factor in that they were amongst the league’s worst last season.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But good observations nontheless.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And there is no justification for the Hawks defense being the best in the division this year

given last year’s suckitude. That said, new coordinators, new schemes, and a different injury situation can radically change performance (given the same group of personnel).

by ninjasocks on Jun 21, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right. Thankfully, I never said the Hawks defense will be the best in the divison this year.

Even though they have the best personnel on that side of the ball, and I’m not even a fan of Aaron Curry.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 22, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curious.

What DO you think of Aaron Curry? For some reason, I feel like he could be a slightly poorer man’s version of Julian Peterson. The biggest drop-off, maybe, is the ability to rush the passer.

by sfgfan on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, that's true

But I do think that the Hawks D will challenge for the best in the division, despite having a horrible 2008, due to the replacement of John Marshall and a (fingers-crossed) healthier Kerney.

Just because a team (or position) was horrible or great one year doesn’t meant that their fortunes can’t be reversed the next year.

by ninjasocks on Jun 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

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