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Optimism and the 2009 San Francisco 49ers: Will They Make the Quantum Leap?

AUTHOR'S NOTE: I haven't posted in over a month, and we have a fair amount of newcomers to Niners Nation, so I figure a quick (re)introduction is in order. As you can see, my name's Danny. I'm currently getting my PhD in sport psychology at the University of Florida (but actually reside in Fort Lauderdale, FL...don't ask). I've been a 49er fan since the team's Super Bowl XIX victory over the hometown Dolphins on my 7th birthday in 1985. My job title on Niners Nation is "Resident Stats Nerd" or something to that effect. During the season, I do a statistical preview and review of each 49ers' game. In addition to these game-specific posts, I also write up general stat-based articles on 49er-related news of the moment. You can find my previous posts here. Hopefully, you enjoy reading my articles, or, at the very least, learn something 49er-related from them. Two warnings, though: (1) My articles tend to be on the longish side; and (2) I fully realize that stats can only go so far in explaining and predicting football performance. If you don't like what the stats seem to suggest, feel free to ignore them. Oh, and one last thing...I mostly rely on defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA) and other alternative statistics developed by Football Outsiders (FO) because they're the best measures of NFL performance currently available to the public. For an explanation of FO's stats, see here.

For the second time in 3 years, there's a good bit of optimism surrounding our beloved 49ers (not here, of course). Many fans (including this one) feel a real sense that 2009 will be the season that ends SF's 6-year playoff drought. The reasons for such optimism are numerous. First, there's the whole, "they finally have a competent head coach" thing. Second, there's the fact that they finally have a real WR corps (thank you Al Davis). Third, they actually seem to be - gasp - tailoring their offensive and defensive schemes around the players' strengths and weaknesses. Fourth, rather than just putting up a words-not-deeds-style banner, they've actually enumerated a "Formula for Success" that tells players and fans exactly how the team plans to "Win the West."

So the 49ers' goal this upcoming season - in the minds of players, coaches, and fans alike - is to make the playoffs.  As ARI showed last season - and as PIT showed in 2005 - anything can happen once a team gets in the postseason tourney. In this article, I'm going to address the general question, "Is our optimism justified from a statistical perspective?" More specifically, I'm going to look at the major statistical characteristics of teams that make the quantum leap into playoff participation from one season to the next, and evaluate whether or not the 2009 49ers appear to fit the profile.

After the jump, I'll try to stay optimistic...

 

Star-divide

 

 IDENTIFYING GROUPS

In the current NFL, there are two groups of teams each season: A group of 12 who make the playoffs and a group of 20 who don't. But what happens to these teams the following season? Do the teams who make the playoffs one season, follow it up with another playoff appearance the next? Conversely, do the teams who miss the playoffs one season, follow it up with another January chock-full of tee times? If we take into account each team's playoff status in Season A, as well as its playoff status the next season, Season B, then we get 4 groups of teams:

  1. Repeaters - teams that made the playoffs in Seasons A and B.
  2. Fallers - teams that missed the playoffs in Season B after making them in Season A.
  3. Leapers - teams that made the playoffs in Season B after missing them in Season A.
  4. No-Shows - teams that missed the playoffs in Seasons A and B.

Using this categorization, there have been 39 Repeaters, 45 Fallers, 45 Leapers, and 94 No-Shows since 2002 (The 2002 Texans aren't included because they didn't play in 2001). As Don Banks of SI noted, these totals indicate that about 6 teams per season make the quantum leap into playoff participation. Based on the fact that the 2008 49ers didn't make the playoffs, this season's incarnation has the potential to be one of these Leapers. Of course, they also have the potential to be a No-Show. Therefore, it's useful to identify what differentiates these two groups. In other words, what changes occur from one season to the next that distinguish teams who make the playoff leap from those who have consecutive seasons ending in Week 17?

Obviously, there are a whole host of usual suspects here. Perhaps the Leapers change coaches, perhaps the Leapers change QBs, perhaps the Leapers get substantially better on offense and/or defense, or perhaps the Leapers simply end up with an easier schedule than the one they played the previous season. Not coincidentally, these are exactly the factors I'll be looking at for the rest of this artricle.

HEAD COACHING CHANGES

It's not news to anyone that the Niners' head coach in Week 1 of this upcoming season will be different from the dapper fellow who manned the sidelines in Week 1 of 2008. In my statistical world, that qualifies as a coaching change. We can quibble about how Mike Singletary was a mid-season replacement last season, but the value of a full offseason and maximum flexibility over assistant coach hires can't be overstated.

Since 2002, 36 of the 139 non-playoff teams had a new head coach in Week 1 of the following season. Not surprisingly, these 36 teams were generally the worst of the worst before the coaching change, especially when it came to passing offense. Specifically, among these 139 non-playoff teams, the 36 teams that changed head coaches averaged about 2 fewer wins (4.8 vs. 6.6), and had an average pass offense DVOA* ranking 4 spots lower, than the 103 non-playoff teams that didn't change coaches. So lesson #1 is that, for the most part, non-playoff teams change head coaches when they (a) suck reeeeeeeeally bad, and (b) can't pass the ball to save their lives. Looks like the Niners were a year late on firing Mike Nolan after all.

So how have these coach-changers fared in the season after making the switch? Well, 10 of the 36, or 27.8%, made the playoffs the next season. Three examples that fit the bill in 2008 were the Dolphins, Falcons, and Ravens. Considering that these new head coaches were taking the helm of sinking ships, these seem like Jack Sparrow-esque performances (without the grog-induced slurred speech). However, to get a valid read on this "leap rate," we need to compare it to the performance of the 103 non-playoff teams who didn't change coaches. In other words, how much did a coaching change matter among non-playoff teams?

It turns out not all that much. The leap rate for coach-keepers was 34.0%, or 35 out of 103. The 6.2% leap rate difference between the coach-changers and the coach-keepers is not even close to being statistically significant, which means that the coaching change had no meaningful impact on making the playoff leap above and beyond what would have been expected from dumb luck. Basically, about 30% of non-playoff teams have made the playoff leap the following season regardless of whether they changed coaches or not, a percentage that corresponds perfectly with the average playoff turnover of about 6 teams per season (i.e., 6 out of 20 is 30%).

Obviously, each specific coaching change occurs in its own context, and the move from Nolan to Singletary is no exception. All the stats tell us here is that, based on the last 7 years of the NFL, our optimism about a 49er playoff appearance in 2009 should not rest on the shoulders of Samurai Mike.

QUARTERBACK CHANGES

Another major change (for the better) this offseason has been the jettisoning of J.T. O'Mulligan as the 49ers' Week 1 starting QB. As was the case with the coaching change, a full offseason of first team reps in OTAs and training camp trumps "he actually became the starter last season" when it comes to classifying "Shaun Hill, 2009 Week 1 starter" as a QB change. Also, in figuring out the "starter" for a given team in a given season, the preferred measure is whether or not he started a majority of the team's 16 games. When there's no majority, the tiebreaker goes to the QB who was the originally designated starter that season. As this relates to the 49ers, neither Shaun Hill (8 starts) nor O'Mulligan (8 starts) reached the 9-start threshold. Therefore, I gave O'Mulligan the "2008 SF starter" classification because he was the originally designated starter last year, and classified "Shaun Hill, 2009 Week 1 starter" as a QB change because, well, he's not O'Mulligan (thankfully).

Since 2002, a whopping 75 of the 139 non-playoff teams had a different starting QB the next season. Not surprisingly, the non-playoff teams that made a QB change were coming off a particularly offensive season on offense (pun intended) when compared with non-playoff teams that didn't end up changing QBs. Specifically, the QB-changers ranked, on average, 5 spots lower than QB-keepers in offense DVOA. What might come as a surprise to some is that these QB-changers were statistically significantly worse in both pass and rush offense. What this says to me is that non-playoff teams change QBs when they experience systematic offensive ineptitude, not necessarily when the passing game is all that's rotten.

So has a QB change made any difference when it comes to non-playoff teams making the quantum leap? Surprisingly, no. Although Chad Pennington, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco brought sexy back for their teams in 2008, the last 7 years of NFL football seem to suggest that these were exceptions rather than the rule. That's because, as was the case with coaching changes, about 30% of non-playoff teams made the quantum leap a year later regardless of whether they changed QBs (33.3%) or not (31.2%).

Now, you might be saying, "Danny, not all QB changes are created equally!" You'd be right, so I classified QB changes into 4 groups based on the type of change. Based on this classification, 50 of the 75 non-playoff QB-changers simply got rid of the previous year's starter in favor of a new one (See "2008 New York Jets"), 11 had to replace their previous year's starter due to a major injury (See "2008 Detroit Lions"), 9 benched their previous year's starter in favor of his backup (See "2008 Minnesota Vikings"), and 5 had an established starter return from major injury to reclaim his earlier role (See "2008 Carolina Panthers"). For our purposes, the move from O'Mulligan to Shaun Hill qualifies as your run-of-the-mill "kick ‘em to the curb" type of QB change.

So is there an impact if we look at type of QB change? Once again, the answer is no, at least in terms of statistical significance. However, it's of practical importance to note that the "kick ‘em to the curb" club, which the 2009 49ers will become a member of in September, actually had the worst leap rate of the 4 types (28.0%). Therefore, taken together, the stats I've presented in this section seem to suggest that our optimism about a 49er playoff appearance in 2009 should not necessarily rest on the shoulders of Shaun Hill. You'll see in a moment why I've thrown that "necessarily" in there.

The next two potential differences between Leapers and No-Shows have to do with changes on the field; namely, offensive and defensive performance. I'll tackle offense in the next section (pun intended), and then attack the defense in the section after that (pun also intended).

OFFENSIVE PERFORMANCE CHANGES

So far, I'm probably raining on your playoff parade. Don't fret. Stick with me here. I promise the clouds are going to part very shortly...OK, how about right now?

It shouldn't come as a shock that, since 2002, the 140 non-playoff teams have been worse on offense than their 84 playoff-bound counterparts. Here's a table showing statistically significant differences with respect to offense DVOA:

Category

Playoff Teams

Non-Playoff Teams

Difference

Avg. Pass Offense DVOA

17.1%

-6.0%

23.1%

Avg. Rush Offense DVOA

3.0%

-5.5%

8.5%

Avg. Offense DVOA

10.4%

-5.5%

15.9%

Obviously, playoff teams have been better on offense than non-playoff teams. However, breaking down offensive performance into passing and rushing, the stats suggest that the vast majority of the difference between these two groups is in the passing game. Given that playoff teams are better in the passing game, it stands to reason that the main offensive avenue through which a non-playoff team makes the quantum leap is by vastly improving its aerial attack the next season. To investigate this, let's only focus on non-playoff teams, and examine differences between Leapers and No-Shows with respect to how their respective offensive stats change from Season A to Season B. Here are the relevant stats:

Category

Leapers

No-Shows

Difference

Avg. Pass Offense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+15.8%

+0.5%

15.3%

Avg. Rush Offense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+5.4%

+1.7%

3.7%

Avg. Offense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+10.7%

+1.0%

9.7%

Although the average non-playoff team has improved on offense the following season, those that go from playoff spectator one season to playoff participant the next season (i.e., Leapers) improve almost 11 times more. Furthermore, the vast majority of offensive improvement occurs - as expected - in the passing game. If we compare the differences in pass offense and rush offense improvement, we can conclude the following: If a non-playoff team hopes to make a quantum leap the following season, it's somewhere around 4 times more important for that team to improve its pass offense than its rush offense.

Relating these stats back to the 49ers, their pass offense DVOA last season was a pathetic -18.5%. The average improvement for Leapers, as shown in the table, has been 15.8%. So in order for us to get optimistic about a Niner playoff berth in 2009, we have to ask ourselves, "Do I think the 49ers' passing offense is going to be about as good as the league average (i.e., approximately 0.0%) next season?"

At the moment, I tend to believe that the answer to this question is yes. First, there's the "look what I found" addition of Michael Crabtree. Second, there's the maturation of Jason Hill and Josh Morgan. Third, there's the apparent (and much-needed) change in VD's role. Fourth, there's the return to a run-based offense, which is likely to help the passing game by proxy. Finally, and most importantly, there's the simple fact that the Niners' pass offense DVOA was about 30% better with Shaun Hill starting the final 8 games of 2008.

In total, then, based on the last 7 years of the NFL, our optimism about a 49er playoff appearance in 2009 might indeed rest on the shoulders of Shaun Hill after all. At the very least, it rests on the shoulders of Hill and his WRs.

DEFENSIVE PERFORMANCE CHANGES

As was the case on offense, playoff teams since 2002 have been better on defense than non-playoff teams (Remember, negative DVOA numbers on defense indicate above average performance):

Category

Playoff Teams

Non-Playoff Teams

Difference

Avg. Pass Defense DVOA

-4.8%

7.9%

12.7%

Avg. Rush Defense DVOA

-5.9%

-0.1%

5.8%

Avg. Defense DVOA

-5.3%

4.1%

9.4%

Again, we see here that the passing game - this time on defense - is primarily what separates playoff and non-playoff teams. It stands to reason, then, that, if we focus on the non-playoff teams, Leapers tend to improve their pass defense considerably in Season B, right? Here are the relevant stats (for the sake of clarity, I've made it so that plus signs indicate improvement):

Category

Leapers

No-Shows

Difference

Avg. Pass Defense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+8.2%

-1.5%

9.7%

Avg. Rush Defense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+3.8%

-1.1%

4.9%

Avg. Defense DVOA Improvement in Season B

+6.3%

-1.4%

7.7%

As expected, Leapers improve all aspects of their defense, while No-Shows don't improve any aspects of theirs. Also as expected, the majority of the difference in season-to-season defense DVOA change is in the passing game. The conclusion here is that it's about twice as important for a non-playoff team to improve its pass defense as it is for them to improve their rush defense.

Going back to the 49ers, their pass defense DVOA in 2008 was ranked 20th at 15.7%. The average improvement for Leapers, as shown in the table, has been 8.2%. So, if we want to determine an appropriate level of optimism, the question becomes, "Do I think the 2009 49ers' pass defense will be half as bad as it was in 2008?"

This one's a little tougher to answer. On the positive side, there's the "it's about freaking time" demotion of Mark Roman, the apparent (and much-needed) change in Manny Lawson's pass rush role, the return of Shawntae Spencer, and the overall establishment of an attacking defensive identity. However, on the negative side, Walt Harris is done for the year, and Singletary's pass defense in the second half of 2008 actually was 23.2% worse than Nolan's during the first half of last season. So I don't know. Based on the stats, it's a tough call. If you want to err on the side of optimism here, be my guest.

STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE CHANGES

The final factor I'll look at that might distinguish Leapers from No-Shows has to do with changes in strength of schedule (SOS) from one season to the next. Specifically, do non-playoff teams make the quantum leap because their schedules get considerably easier?

The answer to this one is a resounding, "Yes!" Of all the comparisons I did in preparation for this article, SOS change had the strongest impact on playoff turnover from season to season.

First, though, it's useful to point out that playoff teams have had statistically significantly easier schedules than non-playoff teams over the past 7 seasons: opponents of playoff teams have had an average winning percentage of 48.0%, whereas opponents of non-playoff teams have had an average winning percentage of 51.2%. You might think that a 3.2% difference isn't that big. Remember, though, that the entire range of SOSs for the 224 teams from 2002-2008 is 41.4% to 59.0%, with 95% of these teams having an SOS between 43.2% and 56.8%. So that 3.2% difference is actually huge, representing a 9-spot difference in SOS ranking (13th-toughest vs. 22nd-toughest).

In terms of season-to-season change, the SOS difference between Leapers and No-Shows is almost perfectly symmetrical with that of the playoff vs. non-playoff difference. Specifically, whereas No-Shows' SOSs do not get any easier in Season B, Leapers' schedules get 3.4% easier. Again, that's not a big difference until you look at rankings: a 3.4% easier schedule translates to about a 10-spot difference in the SOS rankings. So the moral of the story here is that, if you want to be optimistic about the 49ers in 2009, hope that their schedule gets a lot easier. But how likely is that?

Well, the Niners' SOS in 2008 was an unbelievably easy 44.7%, meaning that an average Leaper improvement in SOS would take their 2009 SOS into uncharted territory. As I said a minute ago, the easiest schedule over the past 7 years was 41.4%, which the 2007 Seattle Seahawks happily converted into a playoff berth. In this context, a 3.4% easier schedule for the Niners in 2009 means that their SOS for next season would be 41.3%, or, in other words, the easiest schedule of any team since division realignment. So basically, we're banking on one hell of a statistical anomaly here.

Now, you might say, "Well, NFL.com tells me that the 49ers have the 7th-easiest schedule next year, so maybe they'll pull off that miracle." My response to this is that, as I said in a previous post, a team's SOS based on opponents' records from last season bears no resemblance to their actual SOS based on opponents' records from this season. OK, let me rephrase that. Around 95% of a team's actual SOS has absolutely nothing to do with its before-the-season projected SOS, and projected SOS doesn't exhibit any of the huge statistical relationships that are consistently demonstrated by actual SOS with performance measures like, you know, wins, DVOA, and - particularly relevant to this discussion - playoff turnover. Essentially, you should treat projected SOS like Paris Hilton. It's fun to talk about, but totally meaningless.

BOTTOM LINE

The goal here was to determine whether our optimism about the 49ers in 2009 is justified based on the statistical characteristics of previous teams who made the quantum leap into playoff participation. Here's what the stats suggest:

  1. Despite the MIA-ATL-BAL trifecta in 2008, changing head coaches doesn't seem to forebode an immediate quantum leap into NFL playoff participation. Therefore, don't rest your hopes on the 49ers' change from Nolan to Singletary.
  2. Despite the Pennington-Ryan-Flacco trifecta in 2008, changing QBs also doesn't seem to forebode an immediate quantum leap into NFL playoff participation. Therefore, don't rest your hopes on the 49ers' change from O'Mulligan to Shaun Hill.
  3. On offense, the majority of performance improvement for Leapers is in the passing game. The addition of Crabtree, the maturation of Jason Hill and Josh Morgan, the proper use of VD, the return to offensive balance, and the demonstrated passing game improvement with Shaun Hill at QB over the last half of 2008 all bode well for the Niners. Therefore, optimism seems justified when it comes to pass offense improvement.
  4. On defense, the majority of performance improvement for Leapers is also in the passing game. For the 2009 49ers, some offseason changes bode well (e.g., Dashon Goldson replacing Roman, and Lawson rushing the passer more), while other changes don't bode so well (e.g., Harris blowing out his knee, and the pass defense sucking the big one during the last half of 2008). Therefore, optimism remains in the eye of the beholder when it comes to pass defense improvement.
  5. The primary identifying characteristic of Leapers is that their SOS gets much easier the next season. The problem is that we have no way of knowing just how much easier (or more difficult) the 49ers' schedule is going to be in 2009. Therefore, break out your voodoo dolls and get to work on Kurt Warner et al. Interestingly enough, optimism is directly proportional to how talented you are in Black Magic.

**DVOA statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.

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How do you think the 49ers' pass defense in 2009 will compare to its pass defense in 2008?
Much better in 2009
444 votes
Slightly better in 2009
538 votes
Just as good/bad in 2009
81 votes
Slightly worse in 2009
20 votes
Much worse in 2009
8 votes

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Glad to see you back!

I’m a fan of your long posts and I’m also a fan of the statistical breakdowns you offer, but as you stated, I believe there are just some things you feel, and some things that you break down to a science. Football undoubtedly is not a science, but its middling, so although there isnt much statistical optimism (besides as you said the offense may have some increased production) I think most people have a “feeling” when it comes to this next year. That it will be a great year to be a 49er fan.
I’d have to say that we will be slightly better, not too much, but most definitely better than that elusive .500 season we’ve never been able to catch. I’m not sure about playoffs though.
But hey, this is football, anything can happen! Thats why we love football! :D
Thanks for a great post! rec’d

by Poundtherock on Jun 2, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks...

i agree on the “feeling” thing. the optimism surrounding 2009 feels a lot different (i.e., more realistic) than the optimism surrounding 2007.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

crushing spirits

I really wanted to love this post. I was hoping the sum of your analysis would be “why we have a good playoff chance” this year. it seems there’s no statistically significant data that suggests we should even be more confident about 09. It’s good to be grounded and understand your true odds of a turnaround, but i say screw it and remain optimistic. GO NINERS!

- a very good post even if it ruined my morning.

by heyo on Jun 2, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

haha...

…sorry about that. if it makes you feel better, just remember that the differences i identified were “average differences.” it’s perfectly reasonble to believe that singletary for nolan isn’t your typical coaching change, that hill for o’mulligan isn’t your typical QB change, that the niners’ pass offense and defense improve even more than the average leaper, and that something a little tougher than the easiest NFL schedule in 7 years might still be easy enough for a playoff berth.

the stats from the last 7 years are 100% objective. the projections about whether or not the 2009 49ers fit the stat-based characteristics are almost 100% subjective. i can be right about the stats and totally wrong about the 2009 Niners. just hang your hat on that for the rest of the day. :-)

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s perfectly reasonble to believe that singletary for nolan isn’t your typical coaching change

It really isn’t the same. Singletary is carrying on Nolan’s original vision (and roster) with a slightly different (read: clearer) plan of action. This is not to say that I honestly think the 49ers will make playoffs, but the coaching change is definitely a totally different situation than most coaching changes.

by sfgfan on Jun 2, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This....

And you don’t need numbers to figure that out either.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"hill for o’mulligan isn’t your typical QB change,"

Why not? Desperate circumstances that led to Just Turnovers becoming QB led to a shaky status as a starter, eventually sucked it up as expected, and was replaced by an in-house option who commanded cheap resources (undrafted entry to the league, backup entire career). That’s not entirely uncommon from teams with bad QB situations, although they tend to eventually draft a replacement.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think my exact quote was...

“it’s perfectly reasonable to believe” that hill for o’mulligan isn’t your typical QB change. in other words, i may not actually believe it, but i wouldn’t call someone else crazy for believing it.

anyway, parsing aside, as i said in the piece, kicking your QB to the curb is, indeed, the most typical QB change. in the specific context of hill for JTO, however, it’s a little different because most of those 50 kick ‘em to the curb situations involve the former starter being replaced by a free agent signing or draft pick. another atypical thing about it is that the NFL rarely has 1-year offensive coordinator/starting QB experiments. another thing i’ll say that is pretty typical about it is that coaching changes usually have a QB change soon after. it seems like coaches and QBs are like two peas in a pod in most circumstances.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm just pointing out the other side of the coin.

I understand why Singletary/Hill might be different from cleansweeping the coaching staff and roster and replacing everything.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Against all odds.

Hey Heyo… I agree.

I am a realist however I am also a DIE HARD NINER FAN and I share the optimism. You can analyze this team any which way you want and no matter what the data you collected says all teams in the NFL are curently 0-0—0 so lets not give up the ship just yet.

This is a game of heart as much as it about talent, it is the will to win that drives true championship teams because the will to win fuels the desire to improve performance. I believe that is the intangible that Singletary brings to the table. He will do everything in his power and being to stoke the fire in the bellies of these guys. You can collect a boat load of data on offense. / defense / special teams as units and for each player and the team as a whole but the outcome of each game and the season will only be measured by the will to of the team and the heart of each player to play at a level they have not yet imagined.

I know it sounds corny but you know I don’t care screw it GO NINERS……

by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 2, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats- we don't need no stinking stats

We have Shaun Hill, Mike Sing, and Jimmy Raye who are all smart enough to know we should execute our offense in accordinance to what we have. We also have a defensive unit that has been together and are familiar with each other. Our CHEMISTRY was a HIGE problem in the Nolan era. There will be no finger pointing or singling out of certain players, there will be no blame, it seems that our team is back at ALL IN FORM.

M. S. #50

by rlott#42 on Jun 2, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true dat

Chemistry is very important. One of the limitations of Madden. You could have TO, Pac Man, Chad Johnson (his real name) Roy Williams (safety) and be perfectly fine.

Here is a video discussing the importance of chemistry vs. talent

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8104389c/Chemistry-vs-talent

by iaalexeeff on Jun 2, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny, brilliant and interesting

Three words rarely spoken about statistics.

Have you ever used these skills to bet on sports? Any luck?

by ShaunHillQB1 on Jun 2, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dabble in it in a half-ass way...

…working on it full-ass this offseason so I’m ready for next season.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groan. This does not make me more optomistic.

Let’s see. In order to win more, we need a better passing game and a better pass rush, which are exactly the two things the 9ers really sucked at last year.

And with Sing and Raye planning a run-first offense, this is not encouraging. As everyone here knows and has seen, 9ers opponents all have the same strategy – put eight or nine men in the box to stop Gore and force the 9ers to prove they can pass. Which is something this team was unable to do during the entire Nolan regime. Can Raye give the 9ers a passing strategy that keeps the safeties honest and produces at key times, like in the redzone? My guess is that our receiver corps will get a little more respect this year after the additions of Crabtree and Jones, but will it be enough? Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

And we all know about the pathetic 9er’s pass rush the last few years. Will Manny improve enough to make a difference? Will guys like Ahmad Brooks and Jay Moore contribute? Will we do more zone blitzing? Will Bly/Brown be an improvement over Walt Harris?

We all knew these were areas where dramatic improvement was needed, and there have been personnel improvements that are cause for hope, but now we have some statistical evidence that these are the only factors under team control that may get us into the playoffs. Given S. Hill’s talents, I’m thinking a little WCO might be useful this year, along with a good dose of “wildcat” with M. Robinson, as an alternative to Sing’s power running attack. On defense, I would move to a higher risk blitzing strategy using the safeties and corners. In any case, I think this might prove to be an interesting year. Did anyone see that 1981 season coming coming out of the blue after the disaster of the late 70s? Not me.

One characteristic of winning teams that may not be quantifiable but I believe is as important, if not more important, than the statistical evidence, is team chemistry. Any consistently winning team I’ve seen or been part of has a certain chemistry where everyone has the same mindset and everyone is on the same page concerning what needed to be accomplished. Players work together with minimal communication or instruction. I don’t know what to call it other than team chemistry, but this might actually turn out to be the key ingredient and difference maker that Sing brings to the table that is completely different from Nolan.

by MontanaPass on Jun 2, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

running the ball

this helps keep our defense off the field, keeping them fresh. this will help our secondary alot.
we will still pass but i see it as a 55-45 run/pass. the o-line should be improved this year with the addition of smith and the continued impovement of wallace and rachal.

as for the pass rush, that does worry me some. i have no faith in Sopoaga or Franklin.
i believe balmer will make big strides this year and the improved CB play should help justin smith with more time to get to the QB. having Demetric Evans and ray mcdonald in the rotation is a big plus.
the key will be manny lawson and if he’s free to attack the QB.

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in sport psychology...

…the concept is called “team cohesion.” it’s been researched extensively, with predictable results. one interesting line of team cohesion research has to do with what’s called, “collective effiicacy,” which is a team’s collective belief that they will succeed in a given play/game/etc. basically, it’s an extension of self-efficacy, which is the individual’s belief in their likelihood of success in a specific task. both self- and collective efficacy are moderately related to actual performance, although collective efficacy is a little bit more difficult to measure for obvious reasons.

a perfect example of how collective efficacy affects performance in football is when players on offense have “favorite plays” that they go to during crucial parts of a game. part of the reason they work is because the collective efficacy of the offensive players is very high. similarly, part of the reason the “least favorite plays” of offensive units don’t work is because the collective efficacy is low. frank gore can have confidence in himself to succeed on a certain running play all he wants, but if the rest of the offense isn’t confident they can execute it properly, the play’s less likely to work.

basically, in team sports, it matters more that the team is confident in its collective ability to perform well than that a specific player is confident in his individual ability to perform well. see “2007-2009 Los Angeles Lakers compared to 2005-2007 Los Angeles Lakers” for another example of this reality.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will you marry me?

LoL, you just managed to tie what I have been learning in applied behavioral techniques to football… that makes me a very happy man. Too bad I’m pursuing HR psychology instead of sports psych >.<…

by Cruithear on Jun 2, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't get me started...

…on behaviorism. humans are not slaves to reinforcement, damnit! :-)

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

way off topic, but I agree

The fact that no committed behaviorist will admit that his believing in behaviorism owes to his having been conditioned to believe it seems to me to be a pretty strong argument against behaviorism as a ‘final picture’ theory.

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Jun 2, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never thought about it in that way...

…then again, according to behaviorists, i don’t actually “think” about anything. ;-)

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, you are merely a series of complex reactions. Even biologically that is so, in theory… just ask Einstein.

by Cruithear on Jun 3, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note

There was sarcasm in there…. silly pure behaviorists =).

by Cruithear on Jun 3, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I had to read that one twice.

by sfgfan on Jun 3, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take that as a compliment.

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Jun 3, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good.

It wasn’t meant to be snarky or anything. It literally just took me a couple reads to finally parse it.

by sfgfan on Jun 3, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I’m not a true behaviorist, I just tend to lean toward behavioral learning as opposed to inborn knowledge… I loved Jung’s take on the collective unconscious, but it is a bit much for me to think that I belong to a hive mind. I will say that not all knowledge is learned (a single course in Ethology will show that bird caching behaviors and bird song don’t have to be learned), but much of what we know and understand is a result of experience.

by Cruithear on Jun 3, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

false dichotomies

inborn knowledge vs. socially conditioned behavior is the most stark and least helpful contrast one can draw. Given your belief in an experiential factor in knowledge, it’s actually interesting that you like Jung, since he is clearly on the ‘inborn knowledge’ side of things. Reinforcement as a very important role to play, but I’m fairly convinced that the process by which athletes are shaped into players has less to do with stimulus-response cycles and more to do with the (yes, difficult-to-describe) process called understanding. I think Bill Walsh thought this way too when he said “As a coach, I know I have to start with smart players…”

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Jun 3, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hello Hostler! (re: team cohesion)

Your description of the role played by a team having ‘favorite plays’ reminds me so much of the 07 season it’s not even funny. The team’s craptacular offense seemed to have everything to do with the fact that they had no confidence that Hostler was calling in a decent play.

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Jun 2, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

You know is bad when the centerpiece of your offense even doubts your play calls. (If I’m not mistaken, Gore did just that, didn’t he?)

by sfgfan on Jun 2, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Penn State local...

I would love to see M. Rob used more in the wildcat. 2005 was a great year for penn state. Seeing Robinson at the helm of the spread offense bulldozing his way through the defense was a real treat. I remember when we played Minnesota and he literally ended their safety’s career (I can’t remember the name off the top of my head) with his pure strength. I was excited when the 9ers drafted M. Rob and I definitely think we could utilize his abilities a lot more.

by MilroyBoozer on Jun 2, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't expect them

Jimmy Raye is not an unconventional playcaller

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Sing and Raye planning a run-first offense

We’re actually pretty much just assuming this. Nobody associated with the team has said anything outside of wanting to have an offense that can execute running plays on running downs. Nobody has ever mentioned the actual focus of the offense.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is your Jimmy Raye...

Better than my Jimmy Raye?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just trying not to jump to conclusions based on misinterpretations of some pretty cut and dry statements that have been made by the team and the players.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, here is some advice...

Don’t follow then on Twitter.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only follow four feeds on twitter, thank you very much, and the 49ers are not one of them.

NinersNation is.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

Your Twitter is better than Niners Nation Twitter?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a Twitter?

by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CNN keeps pimping it...

I think it’s just a wider version of a Chat Room.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a dummy’s version of a Press Release/RSS

by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how following the NinersNation twitter makes mine better somehow. This line of thought confuses me.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just having fun..

With your sig.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i

have guarded optimism. but i was guardedly optimistic about the A’s and Warriors this year. That didn’t or isn’t turning out so well. And now I am having visions of 5-11 flashing through my mind.

by save10 on Jun 2, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic post, Florida Danny.

Well-done, worth the long read.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Might as well throw out some food for thought to chew on

“Many fans (including this one) feel a real sense that 2009 will be the season that ends SF’s 6-year playoff drought. "

I think it’s also prudent to mention that it would also end SF’s 6-year drought of a winning record, not just the playoffs. Their climb to the postseason is a bit harder than a team consistently hovering around .500 like the Texans, for instance.

“The reasons for such optimism are numerous. First, there’s the whole, “they finally have a competent head coach” thing. Second, there’s the fact that they finally have a real WR corps (thank you Al Davis)"

None of this is concrete yet, though. There’s potential of having a real WR corps, but as of now it’s just potential.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

on the first point...

…i’ve developed a model that predicts win change from one season to the next. it’s reasonably accurate, but needs improvement. hence, no posts on here about it just yet. anyway, the model predicts the 49ers to basically win the same exact number of games as last season. i should add that it also predicts ARI to win less games in 2009, and SEA to win a few more…for what it’s worth.

as to your 2nd point. it’s important to mention that i said that stuff in the “gut feeling” intro to the piece. given that it was based on a totally subjective foundation, the whole “nothing’s been proven yet” is certainly understandable.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intriguing.

What’s it say about the Rams? Some part of me thinks they’ll improve but another thinks they’re drafting #2 overall again.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

STL..

3 more wins in 2009…SEA about 5 more wins in 2009…ARI 1 or 2 fewer wins in 2009…SF about 1 more win in 2009.

so it’s looking at a SEA-SF-ARI-STL finish next season. like i said, though, it needs refinement. at minimum, i’d be taking the over on SEA wins next season, which, as of right now, stands at 7.5.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB, QB, QB...

This will determine our season period. If Hill can deliver the ball consistently down the field our offense will be somewhere in the middle.

I would be very, very happy finishing this season with the following ranks, offense 13-16, defense 7-10. I also feel these are realistic projections, and in our division this should put us at the top.

Of course the offensive rank is about Hill and Raye’s ability to work with our strengths.
The defensive ranking I feel is just a matter of living up to potential.

by goatfather on Jun 2, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another thing to consider.

We finished 13th in passing last year. There is no reason that should go down. There is also no reason to believe with a fully healthy Gore, Improved OL, and Norris back, that our running game should not improve from 27th! (yeah I know, Martzipan)

by goatfather on Jun 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing you didn't consider..

Mike Martz isn’t the OC anymore. Which, given Raye’s history, the 49ers could be worse in passing.

Think dude, think.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

Seriously. If you’re not calling passes when you’re winning (instead of running), which Martz did on a few occasions last season, you’re going to end up with less production in the passing game. Martz threw the ball A LOT. I don’t think Raye is going to be doing anything close to that.

by sfgfan on Jun 2, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Martz?

Not missing him. Not when he ran an offense that countered the strength of his personnel.

by bignerd on Jun 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think drummer mentioned anything about missing him. He was just simply pointing out that Raye is going to be running more than Martz, and those rushing snaps are going to come at the expense of the passing game.

by sfgfan on Jun 2, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a total fallacy...

offense is not a zero-sum game. rushing offense does not increase at the expense of passing offense. on the contrary, the correlation between passing offense and rushing offense from 2002-2008 was .542, which is a pretty stout positive relationship. a good rushing offense is actually complementary to, rather than antithetical to, a good passing offense.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You realize...

That you’re including Hostler’s offense into that equation, don’t you?

Good passing offenses are good passing offenses, period.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you'd like me to remove that 1 offense...

…from the 224 that are included in that correlation, let me know.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you can crunch numbers all day if you like...

But it doesn’t take away that Martz ran a more dynamic passing offense than his predecessors did. I mean, you can bury Hostler in the numbers dude. That’s your gig.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i missed you drummer...

…sincerely. it’s entertaining as hell to me when i report an iron-clad NFL truism based on 3,584 games, and you come back with “hostler sucks.”

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well...

I’m just going by the notion of this :

In the past few years, the 49ers have not had 2 of the worst offenses in the history of the Franchise, but also 2 of the worst in League history. Guess what? Martz wasn’t responsible for either of them.

 But I’m sure you and your ego errr.. stats will refute that somehow.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edit..

“In the past few years, the 49ers have not only had 2 of the worst offenses in the history of the Franchise”,

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry to disappoint...

…you’re 100% right on that. i just don’t understand how that has anything to do with, or nullifies, the fact that pass offense does not decrease when rush offense increases. you turned that singular point into a discussion of jim hostler. doesn’t make much sense to me.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you thinking about...

Situations, like say, when a team is behind big, they will pass more than run? Or if the run game is shut down, they will pass more? What you’re missing here isn’t about the ratios of pass vs. run. It’s about the offensive scheme itself, and the difference between a passing guru like Martz vs. a virtual unknown in Raye. All we know about Raye is his history, and it isn’t that good especially vs. Martz’s history. That’s the point. I bring Hostler in because you mentioned 2002-2008. Guess what? He was an OC in SF too.

I read David Friedman’s 20 Second Timeout, because a lot of basketball fans use stats to tell them the games and players, and all he does is breakdown the games and players by explaining what they actually do, and why, and also how it reflects in the stats. It’s not about stats itself trying to determine what happened. Heck, I also read Pro Football Reference’s blog from time to time, and even their statistical models can go ether way. That’s what stats are. Stats.

But even with all that, it still doesn’t take away that the 49ers are on yet another OC, and he isn’t anywhere near an OC like Martz as far as bringing in a dynamic offense.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your original statement was...
…given Raye’s history, the 49ers could be worse in passing.

there’s nothing inherently controversial in that. using the word, “could,” sure allows for a lot of possibilities. accordingly, they also “could” be better in passing. hell, they also “could” be the next coming of the 2005 and 2007 offense, as you predict.

i was responding more to sfgfan’s similar assumption to mine that you were talking about run vs. pass. sure, the positive correlation between running and passing performance doesn’t say anything about “dynamic” offenses run by Martz et al. vs. ostensibly “static” offenses run by Raye et al.

so i gather what you were really trying to say is that raye’s track record is that of a poor to middling pass offense scheme, whereas martz’s track record is that of a good to great pass offense scheme. and therefore, a raye-led offense will be worse than a martz-led offense when it comes to passing the ball.

i’m not going to re-litigate martz’s performance as OC. all i’ll say is that, if you want to focus on the scheme side of things, i’d be more optimistic about an OC who fits square scheme pegs into square player holes (i.e., raye), than about one who fits round scheme pegs into square player holes (i.e., martz). sure, martz’s pass offense was great with warner, faulk, holt, bruce, and hakim. i’ll take raye’s pass (and run) offense given what’s on the roster (esp. at QB) right now. so in this sense, i don’t see any reason why it’s any less likely that the 2009 pass offense “could” improve.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you forget one thing here...

Martz makes the most out of the least. As limited as Hill is, he was a better QB because of the offense. Martz made him the Little Round Peg Who Could. I’m not a Martz fan, but he knows how to squeeze a lot out of the QB. Face it, Hill was a better QB under Martz. Saying the offense was a bunch of round pegs really means they aren’t good enough to run a dynamic offense now, isn’t it?

Even under Turner’s watered down scheme, the 49ers were about equal to pass and run, and Smith threw over 200 yards only 3 games. That’s the model Singletary wants. Guess what?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=380

I guess you can take this analysis for what it’s worth, just like anybody can take yours for what it’s worth. But the thing is, well, Hostler was part of that season too.

And let’s come off of what we think Raye will do. All we can go by is what he has done, and it isn’t good. That’s what the whole crux of what I’m saying is. Of course, the offense could be explosive, but I also think that neither of these QB’s are the future of the Franchise, and I suspect all Raye is doing is bringing in yet another watered down offense because Singletary looks at 2006, which isn’t good.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hill

Obviously any and all stats on Hill are limited, but I would like to point out that Hill was good in limited appearances with Hostler as OC. Just want to put that out there, that’s all.

by Fooch on Jun 2, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tollner may or may not..

Have had something to do with that offense during that part of the season.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i honestly...

…can’t believe we’re seriously discussing jim (site decorum) hostler almost 2 seasons after he was unceremoniously removed from a job for which he was obviously underqualified.

in the current context, there’s just no place for hostler comparisons at all. we might as well compare the potential performance of the 2009 offense to walsh’s steve deberg-led offense while we’re at it.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hostler/Martz/Hill

I think it’s mentioned because of the discussion surrounding Shaun Hill and what Martz did for him. Maybe Hostler had nothing to do with Hill’s solid performance in the 3 games in 2007. Of course, 3 games is a pretty insignificant sample size, but I think it’s still worth mentioning.

by Fooch on Jun 2, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're the one...

Who brought up 2002-2008. Hostler is relevant here because every season for I forget how many years, the 49ers have had a new OC, and this year isn’t any different in that respect. You’re just dismissing it because it doesn’t factor into whatever point you’re trying to make.

You know, Martz’s system was starting to work in SF too. Singletary hired Raye for 2 reasons:

1. He wasn’t gonna get an HC job in the future.

2. Singletary needed someone who he felt comfortable with.

Oops I forgot #3:

3. His first choice went to DET.

So forget about “Raye’s system fits the team”. He wasn’t even Singletary’s first choice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is it that i'm dismissing again?

if you mean any role for hostler’s 2007 offense in a discussion of whether or not the niners are going to make the playoffs in 2009, then, yes, i’m dismissing it.

your argument has meandered about 3 times in the midst of this discussion. it started out as, “raye’s pass offense could be worse than martz’s because raye doesn’t run a dynamic offense.” then it morphed into, “you’re including hostler’s 2007 offense in your stats, and that nullifies the other 223 offenses you looked at.” next, it turned into “martz made hill a good QB.” now it’s the double-shot of, “the niners have had a new OC every year for what seems like forever,” and “raye wasn’t singletary’s first choice.” aside from your original point, and perhaps in a peripheral sense the whole “OC revolving door” thing, it’s a stretch to consider any of these logical sidetrips related to, you know, what i actually said in the article. not to mention that, as per usual, you’ve included personal potshots at me along the way.

seriously…new rule…one argument at a time please.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...

You brought up 2002-2008. Just go back and read it. Maybe you were referring to the League as a whole. If I misunderstood that, then that’s my mistake. I just looked at it as it referred to this team, because, well that’s who we are talking about here. I’m not making an entirely new “argument” here or there. It’s really about this :

Mike Martz. Jimmy Raye.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martz's offense is complex but simple

7 times out of ten it’s a pass. A balance is gonna be more efficient. We need more first ddowns and better redzone production, PERIOD. That saves the defenses legs and puts pressure on other teams to pass early.

M. S. #50

by rlott#42 on Jun 2, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the 49ers ran more under Martz than they did under Hostler. More often, for more yards, and for more scores. That doesn’t really support the regression theory.

If the 49ers offense this year is better, they will run more offensive plays, which will most likely lead to more production on the ground and through the air.

The team’s overall passing line last season was 309/509 for 3379 yards, 21 TDs, 19 INTs. That’s not exactly knock your socks off, lose your load good.

I’m saying this in the most lay terms that I can, which is why I’m using the most lay stats that I can. But I don’t see how it’s unreasonable to expect that to improve. Maybe the attempts and the yards go down… maybe… but 20 TDs is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect out of any starting caliber professional quarterback, and there is every single reason to predict that the Interceptions are close to halved. That alone would be a significant improvement.

If you expect Crabtree to contribute and if you expect J. Hill and J. Morgan to both be healthy and improved, there’s a production bump right there.

Martz ran a dynamic offense, but it was inefficient and and prone to turnover. If Raye runs a less dynamic offense that is more efficient and less prone to turnover, we’ll have more offensive plays over the course of the season. And by that measure, there isn’t really a good reason to believe that we’ll be throwing the ball less.

Perhaps less often, but less? That’s questionable.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JTO was responsible for 11 of those INTS...

And Hill had I think 3 in the last Rams game alone. But Martz’s offense got better in the second half, a lot of it due to he paring it back a bit. Martz does run the ball. It’s when where it’s in question, and he does have a tendency to give up on it. The Red Zone issues have been a big problem with Martz. The thing is, one more year with Martz might have improved the offense overall. I’m not a Martz fan for a lot of reasons, but bringing up the offense to a level where is hasn’t been in a long time does deserve some credit, especially he really doing it from scratch after Hostler. One more year of Martz could have had the 49ers in the top 15 overall on offense, with more efficiency. Hill in 9 games threw for over 2000 yards (he threw for 500 the year before in 3, and before that, zero) , went 13-8 td-int, and 3 of those ints came from that Ram game where Hill was a mess in the first half. When it works, it’s a deadly offense. Especially to the QBs in his system, lol.

Raye’s offense, going what little I know about him, seems to fluctuate. Turnovers can happen in any offense, and they happened quite a bit in OAK when he was there as far as INTs. But, thats OAK. I can see your point if Hill goes 21-12, 2900 yds, and the run game goes for over 2000 yds 10 tds, but to believe that can happen is the unknown. Even with that, the team can still go 7-9. Another year with the same OC? Martz? You tell me, in Layman’s terms.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t mean to say that there aren’t reasons to believe that the offense might suffer, and a lack of consistency (to my mind, this specific point more than a transition from A ciach to B coach) is probably the biggest of them.

I’m just trying to contextualize the point that expecting even the passing offense to be improved overall for the year after “downgrading” (in terms of the dynamic attack) from Martz to Raye is not really that far fetched.

We’ll see how it actually plays out, but there are at least as many, in my opinion, if not more reasons to be optimistic about the offense than pessimistic.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, grammar fail.

Sorry for that, guys.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, fair enough..

I’m just going by the patterns of the past few seasons. Really, the real reason the 49ers would get over the hump is predicated on the defense anyway. But if that doesn’t happen, well, you have a new offense on top of that.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pace factor

I understand the ‘positive relation’ you’re describing, but what about the fact that the clock keeps running on rush plays and that it always stops on incompletions. What impact does a run-heavy offense have on the number of plays a team runs per game/per year? Doesn’t that make a difference?

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Jun 2, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's definitely a good point...

…but that correlation i just gave was for passing and rushing efficiency per play, so it kind of renders your distinction moot.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SF finished 13th in passing offense...

…according to basic NFL stats. they had the 13th-most passing yards, that’s true. however, those yards came against one of the easiest defensive schedules in the league and in game situations that lent themselves to easy passing yards (e.g., the 2nd half of a game they’re getting blown out in). according to FO, they were 29th in pass offense efficiency when normalized for strength of schedule and game situation. i think that’s a better measure than simple passing yardage total.

this isn’t bad news, of course, in light of my post. it’s much easier to improve considerably from 29th than it is to improve from 13th. at least i’m much more optimistic that they can go from 29th to, let’s say, 20th in pass offense efficiency next season than that they can go from 13th to 5th or so.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANKS FOR YOUR BLOG

this was my first time (reading your blog) and it was great

cppeter

by foreveryoung66 on Jun 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pass Defense

FLA Danny,

Any thought or stats as to why our Pass Defense got worse in 2nd half of the season? I think we had a better overall defense so I’m thinking it could have just been because we were actually WINNING games at the end of the season, forcing teams to throw against us to come back?

What say you? Oh and welcome back, VERY interesting article. Kind of a buzz kill though. lol. I was hoping it was something so overwhelmingly in our favor I could send to my AZ Cardinals friend AND my STL friend as to why we will mop the floor with them.

by hudd07 on Jun 2, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well...

…it’s not related to game situation at all because the pass defense DVOA stat i gave adjusts for strength of schedule and game situation.

my best guess is that there was a 3- or 4-game adjustment period when singletary took over, and that pass defense suffered during the transition. it could also be because nolan’s pass defense was more of a bend but don’t break style, whereas singletary’s was more aggressive. because DVOA is a measure of efficiency per play, it could easily be that nolan’s style was simply more efficient, whereas singletary’s was more boom and bust, at least during the adjustment period.

i think this will all resolve itself somewhat with a full offseason of practicing and perfecting singletary’s pass defense.

sorry i couldn’t give you anything better than that. their pass defense dropoff in the 2nd half of last season was definitely peculiar.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really love your stats, Denny

Of course, when they go against what I believe I tend to think of ways around them.

For example, strength of schedule is always going to look weaker if, for example, the teams you play have been beaten up by great teams. So, going a few years ago, if you played a team in the AFC east who got creamed by the Patriots a couple of times, they looked pretty “weak” when you look at the numbers. Two losses. But were they weaker than a team in another division that split with their division leader? Maybe, maybe not. The Bills were gangbusters at the beginning of the season so if you lost to them in the first few weeks were you better than if you beat them later in the year?

Another thing. The decline of the passing defense in the second half of the season seems to have had a lot to do with the Niners actually winning. Thus, other teams had to pass to try to catch up with them. In the first half the offense, under Martz, was ineffective so that teams didn’t have to sweat with lots of passing after they got a lead.

Changing quarterbacks as a general category is a bit misleading. For ex, Hill actually finished the 2007 as the starter, so he’s got more experience with a lot of the players he’ll be again playing with (if he starts; but the same would hold true if Smith starts). Then Hill played the last half of 2008 as the starter, so again he would have more experience with the personnel than, say, a Bret Favre coming in, all things being equal (which they never are). So if the statistic has to do with familiarity or change, it would seem to be irrelevant. Especially irrelevant with the Niners.

As others have mentioned, if you’ve got a more balanced offense the passing offense should improve because the opponent has to take into account both running and passing. So, as has been stated, an improved running game helps the passing game, and vice versa.

The two things I see that should mark improvement in the Niners’ offense are the additions in the backfield and the change of offensive coordinators. Foster was clearly past his prime and not having a true fullback to block for any of running backs seems to have knocked a half yard to a yard off running backs’ averages, at least. The return of Moran Norris should help even before the addtions of Coffee and Sheets. It seems to me that at some point, I’d say that during Martz’s head coaching period with the Rams the NFL solved “The Greatest Show On Turf.” Since then wherever he’s been offensive coordinator his results are less and less impressive. I think in part because he’s been coaching on inferior teams with inferior talent, but judging from how the team performed after Singletary took over I’d say that the offense actually performed BELOW its capabilities last year. Before the additions of talent in the off-season.

Just my opinions. Danny, feel free to rip me apart.

by Bob On The Coast on Jun 2, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good points all around...

…i’ll take them one at a time.

1) you’re right that SOS is kind of a complex, interconnected clusterf*ck of game results. by definition, if a team wins a game, their SOS automatically just got easier because one of their opponents lost. purely from a statistical measurement standpoint, this isn’t that big of a deal actually…for two reasons. first, it’s reasonable to assume that this phenomenon washes out league-wide. for every occurence of “good team loses to great team so great team has an artificially easy schedule” there’s an equal and opposite occurence of “horrible team loses to mediocre team so horrilbe team has an artificially difficult schedule.” second, even if SOS is flawed in the way you (and I) acknowledge, as long as the measurement error associated with that flaw is equal league-wide, we can still validly compare teams based on their SOS. in other words, if SF’s SOS is the only one that’s artificially easy, there’s a problem; but if every team’s SOS is biased in the same (or proportionately the same) way, we can still compare SF’s SOS to, let’s say, NE’s, and determine who had the easier schedule. now, if there’s any valid reason to believe that the measurement errors associated with SOS are not systematic league-wide, then there definitely is a problem when it comes to comparison. i seriously doubt that’s the case though.

2) as i said somewhere else in this thread, DVOA adjusts performance for these “it’s easier to pass on a defense when they’re blowing you out,” situations. basically, all plays have been normalized to the league average according to how good the opponent was and the specific game situation in which the play occured. so, poor pass defense performance when SF was winning during the last half of 2008 has no bearing here.

3) i agree QB changes aren’t created equally. i tried to account for that as best i could by breaking it down into types of QB change. also, i agree that the hill switch is a little different than the typical circumstance.

4) after doing this analysis, which is based on a descent sample size by football standards, all i’m really looking for is considerable improvement in the passing game. if the passing game gets better because the running game gets better, that’s great. if the passing game gets better because raye uses his roster talent better than martz did, that’s great too. the bottom line for me is that, if the niners are going to make he playoffs next season, a vastly improved passing game is highly likely to be a major catalyst.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

VY

I don’t know. Seems kinda like Vick in the sense that he scrambles and runs more than being the pocket. Ellis could be a veteran presence that could benefit Lawson and Haralson

by iaalexeeff on Jun 2, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im content

with what we have right now. hill is good enough for us to win with. im a huge fan of nate davis and think he’ll be our long term QB next year or more likely the year after

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 2, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis

Im pushing for him too. I didn’t follow him in college or anything but from highlights i’ve seen he looks like he can pan out. And he’ll have time to develop unlike Smith had. Which I think will help him a lot

by iaalexeeff on Jun 2, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll keep Alex Smith. I’ll keep the Alex Smith with a broken shoulder over Vince Young.

by bignerd on Jun 2, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your bust is showing.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re actually calling it a bosom these days.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let your beloved Seahawks take on VY. At least our bust isn’t a head case and can comprehend the backup role. Plus, Hass isn’t going to finish the season so you will need a QB anyways. Saves the team from having to use a 1st round pick on Tebow.

by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes the problem is perception

Not to criticize Florida Danny (because I’m not) but sometimes some people have a perception problem.

This becomes clear when looking at the three playoffs teams in 2008 that all had both a new HC & a new QB (Atlanta, Miami and Baltimore).

Most people say this about the Falcon team that new GM (Dimitroff) new HC (Smith) and new QB (Ryan) took over in 2008: That the team they inherited was a bad, terrible, crappy team:

Not true. They were an average NFL team (in 2005/2006) that had a horrendous season in 2007 (losing their starting QB and HC will sometimes do that to you).

In 2005/2006, the Falcons were 15-17, right near 500.

In short, the Falcons were basically a 500 team in 2005/2006, had a horrendous 2007 (4-12 and all the drama), and bounced back (even beyond the 500 mark) in 2008 with a new regime.

In 2005/2006, the Dolphins were also 15-17. In 2007 they too (like Atlanta) were horrendous (1-15). Why? They were 6-10 the year before. What happened? New HC Cam Cameron came in and obviously proved that he’s an OC, not a HC. Terrible HC.

2008 saw the arrival of Bill Parcells in Miami, some major housecleaning, and then Parcells and the Dolphins got an early Christmas present: The Jets cut Chad Pennington and let him walk to Miami, to be reunited with his former HC (Parcells).

Pennington was a major upgrade at the QB position in Miami over who had played there recently.

It’s doubtful that Miami could have gone from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 in 2008 without the good fortune of getting Chad Pennington.

Baltimore. Unlike the previous two teams, they were over 500 in 2005/2006 (19-13).
In 2007 they underachieved at 5-11 and it cost Brian Billick his job.

Perhaps, by 2007 (Billick’s ninth season with the team) the players had somewhat tuned him out. Nine years with the same HC often gets old.

In 2008, with a new HC and a new QB (and still one of the best defenses in the NFL), they jumped back with a 11-5 record and a playoff birth.

Look at Arizona, in conjunction with Atlanta, Miami and Baltimore.

All four teams made the playoffs in 2008. The records in 2005/2006 for those teams were as follows:

Atlanta: 15-17.
Miami: 15-17
Ravens: 19-13
Cardinals: 10-22.

The Cardinals had the WORST record of all of those teams in those two years (and only 8-8 in 2007 and 9-7 in 2008).

Four year totals ( 2005-2008)

Cardinals: 27-37.
Dolphins: 27-37.
Falcons: 30-34.
Ravens: 35-29.

The Cardinals were tied with the Dolphins with the worst four year total (even worse than Atlanta).

Anybody that says (and I’m not accusing anybody in particular of saying this) but anybody that says that the Falcons and Dolphins and Ravens were terrible teams when they hired their new HC’s is kind of mistaken.

They were close to 500 (Atlanta & Miami) and above 500 (Ravens) in 2005/2006. All three teams greatly underachieved in 2007 (prompting the hiring of their new HC’s).

by GeoMak on Jun 2, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this is a good point...

…and definitely a keen observation. i think the thread that runs through your observation and my analysis is that it’s not really about the coach and qb changes. it’s actually all about an improved passing game. for the 4 teams you mentioned, the major difference between 2007 and 2008 was that each team got a monumentally better performance out of their respective passing attacks. in the specfic contexts of these 4 teams, the improved passing game happened ostensibly because their 2008 QB was much better than their 2007 QB. even in the case of ARI, warner circa 2008 was light years better than warner circa 2007. the point though, is that the mechanism through which a passing offense improves is not necessarily a change in QB. it could be the addition of an elite WR, it could be an improvement in the OL’s pass blocking, it could be a better running game that opens up the passing game, it could be a better OC or HC. the possibilities are seemingly endless. the bottom line, however, that is consistent with my analysis and your observation is that teams who make the playoff leap improve considerably in their passing offense performance.

by Florida Danny on Jun 2, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your statistical anaylsis

but I favor ‘my type’ for me. Not denigrating you at all. Just the way I look at it.

Perception. On a Niners Nation post a little while back, someone referenced a national writer (or blogger) who made this comment about Ken Whisenhunt: He called him ‘Incredibly Talented.’

I call that writer ‘Incredibly STUPID!’ Whisenhunt is a good coach from a winning organization. That said he owes a HUGE debt to the new stadium. He’s the only coach in Arizona to have never coached a game at Sun Devil Stadium. Every other Cardinal coach should have their won/loss record adjusted because of that.

The Cardinals now have one of the best home field advantages (which has greatly benifitted Whisenhunt). Every other Cardinal coach had either No Home-field-advanatge or, the argument can almost be made that they had a NEGATIVE HFA.

Why? Because the stadium was usually either one half or one third empty and usuallly half the fans that were there turned out to cheer for the opposition.

Also, the revenue stream provided by the new stadium allowed the Cardinals to do something that they NEVER did before (pay a lot of money for an assistant coach). Prior to 2007 and the new stadium, the Cardinals were one of the cheapest NFL teams when it came to assistants.

Whisenhunt demanded (and the Cardinals ponied up the 1 million necessary) to hire O-Line coach Russ Grimm. BTW, the single bigggest reason for the imporoved line play in the past two season was coach Grimm, not any one or two new players.

Beyond that, Whisenhunt’s greatest proof that he’s ‘far from incredibly talented’ lies in his handling of Kurt Warner.

Here I strongly disagree with your assesment of Warner’s 2007/2008 seasons. Whisehunt started Leinart over Warner in 2007. In Leinart’s fives games he went 2/4 (TD’s to INT’s) before being injured. In Warner’s eleven starts he went 27/17 (which are similar numbers, to me, with Warner’s 30/14 in a full season in 2008.

The problem with Whisenhunt is this: After watching Warner fire up the Cards with his superior passing in 2007, Whisenhunt named Matt Leinart, not Kurt Warner, the starter going into 2008. Warner complained (saying he just wanted a chance to compete) and it caused problems on the team. Why name someone (Leinart) the starter if there’s going to be an open competition (it doesn’t make sense).

Which is why Mike Singletary was much smarter than Whisenhunt in NOT naming Hill the starter. Unless someone (Smith?) outplays Hill, Shaun Hill will be the starter. However, if someone does outplay Hill, Singletary can then start that QB and not have to be accused of going back on his ‘word.’

It took Whisenhunt until after the final preseason game to name Kurt Warner the starter. It took him that long? That’s stupid.

After Kurt Warner visted the 49ers as a FA a little while ago, Ron Jaworski BLASTED the Arizona Cardinals for being cheap and not locking up Kurt Warner the day after the season ended in 2008.

According to Jaworski, Warner played the QB position about as well as anyone in the NFL in 2007/2008.

2007? Whisenhunt names Matt Leinart the starter.
2008? Whisenhunt again names Matt Leinart the starter, only to chacnge his mind a few days before opening day.

Even with a new stadium, the highest paid assistant coach in Cardinal history and great players (like Boldin, Warner and Fitzgerald – all of whom Whisenhunt inherited) Ken Whisenhunt was ‘only’ 17-15 in the regular season with his new team.

Superbly Talented? Too funny. He’s a good HC. Period.

Perception.

by GeoMak on Jun 2, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perception...

We all know where your’s stems from.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 2, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DITKA, DITKA, DITKA

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not that big of a Mike Ditka fan

He did one thing really well, which the Bears needed at the time (much like the 49ers needed what Mike Singletary brought to the table when he took center stage).

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

the real reason why Singletary won’t name Hill the starter is because the 49er won’t give up on Smith, especially ScottyMac. Thus, Jimmy Raye.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you have a 'clear cut' #1 QB

(like Manning, Brady, Cutler, Rivers, etc) there’s no reason not to have competition at the position, at least early in camp.

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The clear cut #1 QB in SF...

was Smith. Hill was the clear cut #3 for 2 years. The real reasons why Smith still isn’t #1?

OC’s and injuries.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith was never "A" clear-cut # 1.

He may (repeat ‘may’) have been ‘THE’ clear-cut #1 in SF but he has never been ‘A’ clear-cut #1.

A ‘clear-cut’ #1 NFL QB is a guy like those I mentioned (Brady, Manning, Cutler, Rivers, McNabb) that would start for virtually every NFL team.

Alex Smith has never been that kind of QB.

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you get it...

But when you pick him #1 overall, and pay him millions, he is the clear cut QB in SF. Especially when the new GM is his biggest advocate.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the problem with that

when you pick him #1 overall, and pay him millions, he SHOULD be the #1 QB . . . but that stuff (draft status, money) doesn’t mean anything on the football field.

That attitude may have recently cost the Bears the SB in 2006.
In 2005, Kurt Warner visited Chicago. He may have signed with the Bears, but didn’t because he was told that he could NOT compete for the starting job.

GM Jerry Angelo, who drafted Rex Grossman #1, didn’t want to have anything potentially upset Grossman’s development as a franchise QB.

Kind of stupid. Bring Warner in and let him compete. If he doesn’t beat out Grossman, then that speaks pretty well for for Rex Grossman.

If he doesn beat out Grossman, then that means he must be a better QB (or at least playing better QB) than your #1 draft choice.

Perhaps if Warner was playing QB in 2006, the Bears might have won it all.

It’s kind of stupid not to let a former league and SB MVP compete with your #1 QB.

What’s the worst that could happen? You might find out he’s better than what you have there.

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Angelo

That is your answer . . .

by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

How much of that was a factor with Arizona?

How much of Whisenhunt’s insistence on playing Leinart over warner due to the EXACT same thing as in Chicago (Leinart, like Grossman, being a #1 draft pick)?

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't Whiz

The franchise uses #10 pick and $$$ on QB they expect to put him the lineup. You should give Whiz credit for benching the guy and putting his job on line after he was forced to sell the idea all summer. Most coaches would have smiled to camera and said his QB just needs more time to get to know the system.

by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really aren't understanding the situation

In 2007, Leinart wasn’t benched. He was lost for the season with a shoulder injury.

Despite the fact that Warner clearly outplayed him (in 2007) Whisenhunt named Leinart, not Warner the starter for 2008.

It was obvious to anybody with two eyes (in the 2008 training camp/pre-season) that Warner was the better QB. Still, Whisenhunt didn’t name Warner the stater until less than a week before the regular season opener against SF.

It’s really hard to give Whisenhunt ‘credit’ for finally benching Leinart in that situation.

The reality is that he was doing almost everything he could to start an inferior QB. To me, that’s stupid.

The only excuse for Whisenhunt, in that case, is if he was orfddered by management to play Leinart, if at all possible.

There’s no way, of course, to know if that happened or not.

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More often than not

these guys (high draft picks at the QB position) just aren’t ready to step right in and play.

Just because a team uses a #1 pick and pays out all that money doesn’t change that fact.

Akili Smith was a complete bust in Cincinnati (after being picked third in the 1999 draft).

Recently, he was quoted as saying this:

 “If I could change one thing about Cincinnati, I would have begged – BEGGED – the coaches to let me stand on the sideline and get down and learn, learn, learn.”

“People look at first round quarterbacks, though, and they say, ’We’re paying you all this money, so you’re going to play.’

Kurt Warner was a SB MVP (despite not being drafted). Matt Leinart was a top-ten draft pick.

So what?

by GeoMak on Jun 3, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real problem in SF..

With Smith is that is was forever connected with Nolan, and Nolan is connected with John York Sr. You may have noticed that all went away when Jed announced Singletary as the new HC.

That’s how the 49ers bury their problems, by making the fans forget about them.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, some grammar issues..

Sorry Howie. I’m drinking Coors Light and eating cheese and crackers while I’m on here.
 
Good thing I’m not on Twitter.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"

by 49erLou on Jun 3, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take away the CHI swag...

And you have FLA Danny choking because he miscalculated Diabetic quotients.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 3, 2009 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Todd Snider says…Statistician’s Blues From New Connection
They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent of their brain
97 percent use 3 percent and the rest goes down the drain
I’ll never know which one I am but I’ll bet you my last dime
99 percent think we’re 3 percent 100 percent of the time
64 percent of all the world’s statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe ‘em whether they’re accurate statistics or not
I don’t know what you believe but I do know there’s no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
Too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It’s too much to think about
They say 92 percent of everything you learned in school was just bullshit you’ll never need
84 percent of everything you got you bought to satisfy your greed
Because 90 percent of the world’s population links possessions to success
Even though 80 percent of the wealthiest 1 percent of the population
Drinks to an alarming excess
More money, more stress
It’s too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It’s too much to think about
Pick it now
84 percent of all statisticians truly hate their jobs
They say the average bank robber lives within say about 20 miles of the bank that he robs
There’s this little bank not far from here I’ve been watching now for a while
Lately all I can think about’s how bad I wanna go out in style
And it’s too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It’s too much to think about
That’s right
It’s too much to think about
Amen
It’s too much to think about

  How did last years Steelers before the season look with your statistical analysis ????

by Shad929 on Jun 3, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i think we both know...

…that using stats to prognosticate before the season is a pretty futile endeavor in the NFL.

however, if it means anything…PIT’s pass offense DVOA got worse by 18.0% from 2007 to 2008, their pass defense DVOA improved by 21.1%, and their schedule got more difficult by 7.4% (which represents a 22-spot ranking change). the analysis i did is an OR, not an AND, proposition; each one of the changes complement each other. therefore, PIT making the leap in 2008 based on their pass defense improvement fits the analysis just fine even though their pass offense got worse and their schedule got more difficult. also, even if you don’t believe me on that, to focus on 1 unusual example out of the 45 leapers, and generalize that 1 odd case to say the stats are BS, ignores the fact that stats (nor anyone’s intuition for that matter) are ever able to explain/predict things perfectly. i don’t at all mean that to be a shot at you personally…just making the overall point.

by Florida Danny on Jun 4, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article

I’m pretty new to niners nation and this is my first time reading one of your posts I just wanted to say I really enjoyed it and can’t wait to follow them through the season.

Go niners!

by drums7890 on Jun 3, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks...

…hopefully future posts live up to expectations. :-)

by Florida Danny on Jun 4, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here Comes the Rain Baby!

It seems your statistical hopes hinge mainly on a jump in Average Pass Offense DVOA. which SF was a dismal
 -18.5% for the season. Your playoff parade is tied to getting a 15.8% increase of an average leaper which would give you a number in the -2.7% range. My guess is the average leaper had a Average Pass Offense DVOA in the zero range in the A year and leap to 15% in the B year.

I have one other question about the stats.

How many teams have made the playoffs with an Average Pass Offense DVOA below “ZERO POINT ZERO” (besides Bluto of Course).

Is the answer none? Are those storm clouds getting ready to rain on your parade?

Go Cards!

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 3, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent points...

the avg leaper had a -3.5% pass offense DVOA the year before they made the playoffs…so they leapt to about 10% or so the following season. here are the season A avgs. for the other 3 groups:

Repeaters: 15.2%
Fallers: 15.0%
No-Shows: -8.8%

the main thing is that fallers fell from 15.0% to -0.6% in pass offense DVOA, leapers leapt from -3.5% to 12.3%, and both repeaters and no-shows stayed essentially the same.

as to your question, 13 of the 84 playoff teams from 2002-2008 had a negative pass offense DVOA. that’s 15.5% or about 2 teams per season. in 2008, no such teams made the playoffs. however, it’s good to keep in mind that a 15.8% improvement is the average for leapers. the standard deviation of change for leapers is 17.6%. so, given that change is normally distributed (like a bell curve), the estimated probability that SF leaps by having an improvement of 30.8% or more (aka going from -18.5% to 12.3% or better) is 19.7%, or about an odds of 4 to 1 (i’ll tell you how i calculated that if you really want to know).

one other thing…PIT had a pass offense DVOA of 2.6% last season, and they won the super bowl. going from -18.5% to 2.6% is a 21.1% improvement, and the probability of SF leaping by doing that is 38.2%, or about an odds of 3 to 2. that’s certainly not a long shot to say the least. i’m not saying by any stretch that SF circa 2009 can be PIT circa 2008; just making the point that a 15.8% improvement is not the be all and end all. it’s simply the average improvement for leapers, not the only improvement.

by Florida Danny on Jun 4, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info.

There may be a few wholes in the clouds for the sun to peak through and shine on SF. That’s why football is the best game ever. “Any given sunday” who knows what will happen.

I am mildly surprised that that many playoff teams had negative pass offense DVOA.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 4, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article Danny

As always a terrific read.

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 9, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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