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by stuart0908 on Jun 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
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This is just a random observation, but it seems to me that there are more people on this website who are merely readers than contributors. I have tried to post interesting articles relating to different topics to try to add content to Niner's Nation, but it seems like more people are interested in criticising the works than enjoying it. There have been several people who have been more than courteous and welcoming to Niner's Nation, but there have also been some I would like to see them try to contribute something in any depth rather than just knocking other's works.
I'm not trying to be negative only, and maybe it's because of my Bob Sanders jersey avatar, and maybe its because its the offseason, but over at Stampede Blue, we try to be positive and everyone attempts to contribute fanposts worth reading every once in a blue moon.
Again, like I said, it may not hold any water, but its just a random observation. And all of your negative ninny's out there could be scaring off any new potential members with your hostility.
That is all.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Doesn't work both ways.
You can’t complain about people criticizing your writing and then expect others to compliment it or something. I don’t know about you, but that’s kind of the nature of the beast. You put your ideas out there and you’ll more than likely be criticized by the masses than praised by them. In the world of logic, presentation, and argument, there are almost always two sides to the coin. Even more importantly, there will almost always be holes in a person’s logic, presentation, or argument.
On top of it all, when people tend to agree with something, they nod their heads and think to themselves “hey, that makes sense.” People are less inclined to say something when they agree than when they disagree. This is probably one of the main reasons why there seems to be more criticism than understanding.
From my observations, the criticism has nothing to do with any kind of dual-allegiance you may have. There are a few well-understood/respected posters here that are at least openly interested in two teams (whether it be because of geography or just flat out liking two, or more, teams).
I don’t want to offend you or anything like that, but your posts on QBs are just flat out misses. The first one about first round QBs, there are quite a few QBs you call busts that many people disagree with. Many people put up valid reasonings behind their disagreements, and you’re just writing it off as criticism.
In the most recent one, you’re trying to sell the idea that there are a lot of good QBs taken after the second round. Well of course there is, there are so many more rounds after the first, which means the pool of potential players who have a chance to succeed is exponentially larger. Your post completely ignores the group of players that have failed that have come from the later rounds, which is also exponentially larger than the first round pool (especially if you include UDFAs).
In the end, though, this is just the way forums and/or blogs work. If you provide an opinion, you had better expect there to be criticism. If everyone just agreed, there would never be discussion, which makes the whole idea of forums and/or blogs pretty much useless. Don’t let criticism discourage your writing. Just join in on the discussion at the end of it. Who knows, maybe you or the person who criticized you will learn something new. This site has had very little issue picking up new users and retaining them. I’m sure most of the posters here (even the ones that seem to always be criticizing) have learned quite a bit more about football here than they knew before they started using the site.
Bottom line, continue posting. Meet criticism or counter-points with a rebuttal.
by sfgfan on Jun 2, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Criticism is normal
sfgfan,
I concede that there were some holes in the articles I wrote about QBs and I completely agree that I did not focus on the non-successful QBs taken after the first round. I don’t mind taking criticism because it’s just a normal part of being a writer, but if you look at most of the people doing the commenting, it’s people who have little or no posts to their name, but over 200 comments.
I don’t mind criticism because that’s how we get better, but as blankx2 states below and some others, when you just criticize and give no reasons, or focus on trivial things that are not meant to be the overall theme of the article, you may as well not read the article. That’s really all I’m going to say about this. But obviously, there are other people who agree that the negativity has got to be geared back a little, or you are going to have more people who choose not to post things on this site.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
concerning:
people who have little or no posts to their name, but over 200 comments
I am without doubt one of those people, though I think you’re a little closed-minded as to why that is. To clarify, I feel I should give a couple examples of why I fit this role.
For one, I see this site to be as much of an information resource as a community forum. The sheer size of this community creates a pool of information, insight and opinion that feeds my interest in the 49ers in a way that simply following up on a press writer’s blog cannot. In addition to that, there are links and connections brought in by the people that post here that expand that web of knowledge even further. There is Ninjames’ “Golden Nuggets” section, which brings a wide breath of official 49ers news to one place. There is the running “49ers Year-by-Year” series from Howtheyscored that grants us team history niblets. And then there are the regular posts by Fooch and the editors, as well as the (occasionally) interesting fanpost. All these things together create, in my opinion, one of the best sources of 49ers news and discussion on the web.
Another point may just be the way that I approach conversation in general. I’m rarely the one to strike up a conversation, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have anything to learn or anything to contribute. One of the greatest things about this site, I feel, is the discussion that takes place after the post itself. Afterall, isn’t the purpose of a post to seek interesting feedback and strike up in-depth conversation? There are a wide range of opinions here on this site, and it can be fun to see people that share your passion but disagree with your beliefs. Long comment conversations are some of the most entertaining and insightful parts of this community blog.
One more argument to be made is a counterpoint to your own stance. I don’t mean to put words into your mouth, but you seem to be of the opinion that posting is a necessary part of contributing to the community. With this, I strongly disagree. Imagine what it would be like if every member of this forum had some kind of fanpost mandate – a requirement of x number of posts to be made monthly in order to retain a spot in the community. People would be writing inane or repetitive crap just for the sake of posting. Really, though, there’s nothing worse than people loudly speaking up when it’s easily recognizable that they have absolutely nothing to say.
It’s pretty rare that I feel like I have something truly worthy of a fanpost – so as a result, I rarely make them. Perhaps it’s my pessimism speaking, but I feel like the alternative to this would result in posts like “What do you think of…!?#57618” and accompanying head-scratcher polls. In my own personal opinion, It’s those kinds of posts that hinder the intelligent conversation that takes place here, and really seem to drag down the site as a whole. So instead, I hold myself to commenting.
Maybe that makes me a lame, negative, non-contributor.
shrug
I hope it doesn’t.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
not lame
Everybody on this site has a different way they choose to express or not express their opinion. I’m glad people contribute FanPosts to the site, but I also am perfectly fine if somebody just feels like commenting about the different topics being discussed here.
The issue that can brew up on occasion is when people criticize something without going into even a little bit of detail. Sometimes detail is not necessary. But if somebody takes the time to put together a well thought-out FanPost (meaning not just assinine garbage), they deserve more than “You’re wrong” or “This sucks.” Most people do not do this, but it’s still something to remember
And for those who are negative but back it up with some meat, I am perfectly fine with the negativity. I don’t buy into it, but I realize that’s the way things operate. As sfgfan mentioned earlier, when a person agrees with something they might be less inclined to say something. However, if they disagree they’re more likely to voice that opinion. Given the medium it can come across rude or overly critical, but I think that’s just something we put up with in this context.
by David Fucillo on Jun 2, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I, for one, have almost 4,000 more comments on this site than I have FanPosts.
And almost all of the FanPosts that I do have came from the Prediction Games.
By the same token, I have almost 20,000 more comments on McCoveyChronicles than I have FanPosts on that site.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
Very well said. Pretty much shares my same reasoning for why I rarely create FanPosts (do I even have one?). I think I won a front-page post in the first season prediction game, but I never used it. I like participating in discussion, but like you, I’m rarely the one that opens up the initial idea.
fanposts are overrated
just because you can make a fanpost doesn’t make you a ‘real’ contributor to the site. The fact that fanposts are so easy to make IS awesome (thank you SBNation). But the point is having an interesting conversation; I’d rather have fewer well-thought out and well-written fanposts than many fanposts that struggle to make it to 75 words and don’t really kick off any pertinent discussion. That’s not to say that poorly-written/conceived fanposts don’t end up being a forum within which good discussion can take place. Indeed, what I would consider bad fanposts are often saved by what happens in the comments. Rather, it simply undermines the prestige in which the OP here holds having made fanposts. The fact remains that many people who comment on fanposts spend much more time, effort, and thought than those who actually write the fanposts.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
You haven't even been here aslong as me..
you have 21 posts and 71 comments.. I have 11 posts and way over 500 comments.. this means absolutely NOTHING!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Jun 2, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree....
I see what stuart is saying. I don’t think he expects people to compliment his work, but it gets old reading people disagreeing with either stupid or dumb comments about the poster being wrong. If you can’t form an opinion about something, why try to be critical? Doesn’t seem that you can be critical without something to say. And with the last post stuart did (which I thought was great) about the late round QBs, people were complaining about the stupidest, nit-picky things. It’s annoying.
Everyone on this site is welcome to their own opinion, I just wish most of the people who bash posts would PROVIDE AN OPINION. I also get tired of people just saying they don’t agree, and the poster is wrong, without saying why.
And stuart is right…I’m a member of several blogs on SBnation, and this is by far one of the worst for people disagreeing and not providing insight of their own. I love when people reply negatively, but only when they provide reasoning and opinions.
Props
Thanks for the backup. I agree, I love supplying reading material when possible, but I will waste my time presenting new ideas to people who just want to talk shit and not try to understand the real ideas behine the articles.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
FYI
I’m gonna post , read, and reply. I love my NINERS, period with no equivications (Will Smith, Enemy of the State.) I am one of the optimistic guys and proud of it, but in any case I’m gonna state my jopinion. When I began i once had written STFU and was halted in regards to that statement and I cleaned up the attacking of an individual and focused more on the Post. So when you see the name it’s only my opinion. I’d like to see more commenting,
M. S. #50
It's the Bob Sanders avatar (Nov 1st @ 10am PST 49ers vs Colts)
But really there are commandments you must abide to on NN
1. Thou shall always be among the popular vote
(Ex: 1:The draft this year was terrible!!! We didn’t address any needs!!!
2: But we GOT CRABTREE, THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!
1: I wonder how Crabtree is at pass blocking or/even pass rushing. Don’t the 49ers have enoguh WRs as is?
3: He was the highest player on McC’s board!! are you saying you’re smarter then Management!!?
1:Well obviously I don’t have as much faith as you do in McC as you do, but there’s probably a reason McC’s job is on the line this year and why Nolan has been head of the(49er’s) draft the past 3 or so years
2: MANAGEMENT KNOWS WHAT THEY’RE DOING UNLIKE YOU!!!)
2. Thou shall be optimistic
(Ex: 1: Singletary telling the guys to run hills should improve our record to at least 10-6!!!!!)
3. Thou shall be flawless
(Ex: 1:Alex Smith is a Bust
2: You’re and Idiot, why that B is capitalized? and where’s the period!?
you get the point..
It's tough
being one of the only people who are tired of hearing it.
What is the reason and/or point of complaining about the draft. It’s JUNE for Christ’s sake.
Get over it. PLEASE.
I just...
… eventually decided to ignore his complaints about the draft.
Don't forget.....
I’m not the who’s complained about the draft. I only complain that SO many fans on here still gripe and cry about it. Like I’ve said, get over it, embrace the new guys, and let’s all move on with our lives. Or do I have to wait until September when the season starts for you guys to finally stop with the “draft sucked” nonsense?
LOL
I get the point. Well said.
(And sorry about Nov. 1st) lol
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
you should apologize
for making us go through the motions when you know you have no chance.
the niners had damn better win this game now or i’m going to look like a moron.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
thats BOB sanders? i thought is was deion
vote nate davis as holder of the 49ers future
message has been approved by the davis party and nate davis himself
*it
vote nate davis as holder of the 49ers future
message has been approved by the davis party and nate davis himself
look at the sleeves
clearly the Colts white stripes.
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
I disagree..lol
But really there are a lot of pessimistic peolple in the world, that doesn;t mean the majority of 49ers fans are. I will say the Bob Sanders Jersey in not going to help in any way, I am not saying you don;t have the right, I am just saying, first impression one wuld think you are not a 49ers fan. Also I will say a lot of the people who have commented on your posts hav actually written some very great, well researched, intellecually stimulating posts, which I have enjoyed whether I agree or not. I have to say you should also take in to consderation, this is not football season, and most of the poster/readers are die hard 49ers fans tired of hearing people try to express the reality that the 49ers are still just mediocre. They do not want to hear that. We are called “the faithful” and tend to be over optimistic, EVEN before JOEMONTANA and BILL WALSH, you can ask my grand pa.
One more thing, with all that said you rally have benn around here that long, to form a realistic impression, I from experience hqave seen much worse than anything you may have provoked. You really thought you gonna post on another teams blog with your avatar and not expect just a little hostility? If you want to be realisic, being a hypocrit is out of question. I’m not trying to knock you, and I appreciate everyone with the guts to show their personality and brillance with paper and pen. But have you ever read some of the stuff the big times guys have to deal with like Michael Silver? I am sure he would tell ya just like me, it’s verywhere get used to it. Sure maybe more hear, but if that 21 was red and spelled Gore I have a feeling you wouldn’t have felt as much hostility, but it really seems to me like you’re just looking for attention, with this post imparticular, well you got mine..well done!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Jun 2, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions
I should set my picture to a Drew Brees jersey and see if I'm equally rejected.
I’ve mentioned before that I’m a Saints fan, and that Brees is my favorite player…but perhaps the community reaction to such things is only as radical when they’re constantly reminded of it by a 10×10 forum avatar.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
I really lke Drew Bree's...
..I think he is one of the best out there.. but yeah if it was your avatar, I would not have the first impression that you thouggh any way positive about the 49ers, especially ’cuz they were in are division..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Jun 2, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked Drew Brees before he was good, just like all my friends who liked AFI before they got onto a major label, even though I always said they kind of sucked.
Turns out I was right on both counts!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob Sanders
Is one of my favorite players on a team other than the 9ers. He is a beast. Someone could make a fanpost about players that they like on other teams. I don’t really have a second team that I follow but I have teams that I’ll root for more than others.
For the life of me, I can’t imagine being upset about an avatar of Bob Sanders’ jersey. He’s not a divisional opponent, and it’s not like he was on the Cowboys when both teams were good, and I’m not even aware of him talking smack about the Niners. Can anyone explain to me why a Bob Sanders jersey would incite wrath on Niners Nation?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Yeah, I didn’t really get that either.
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Just remember
Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Although I disagreed with some of the conclusions you made, I did apreciate all the time you took to put both lists together. I’m sure it was no easy undertaking.
by urnext on Jun 4, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
… it seems like more people are interested in criticising the works than enjoying it.
[cue in music “Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah, Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah”]
… but over at Stampede Blue, we try to be positive and everyone attempts to contribute fanposts worth reading every once in a blue moon.
[everyone join in holding hands – “Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya, Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya …”]
And all of your negative ninny’s out there could be scaring off any new potential members with your hostility.
[“Someones crying, lord, kumbaya, Someones crying, lord, kumbaya, Someones crying, lord, kumbaya … Oh lord, kumbaya”]
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
LOL
Heaven knows (sorry for more theological language) that there can be contentious conversation that can still be fruitful. Heck, you (Persiflage) and I had it out not too long ago ( http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/3/10/788306/alex-smith ) and that our disagreements definitely clarified some of my thinking on the Smith vs. Hill issue. Isn’t that the goal? It’s not like the development of a ‘consensus’ at ninersnation is going to change what the front office does.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
exactly
I understand the need for constructive criticism over just complaining. But at the same time, criticism is necessary. If we all agreed on everything life would get rather dull around these parts. And while most times people are not going to change their mind, disagreement can lead to clarification on issues.
by David Fucillo on Jun 8, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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