A Cathartic Release of Tension: &%$# YOU JTO!
Ask, and ye shall receive, schlecko...
This is an idea straight from the Story Ideas Open Thread, one that I really enjoyed, and decided to turn into a front-page story. This, as the title insists, is a cathartic release of tension over the first half of the 2008 San Francisco 49ers season. More specifically, this is for you, the Niners Nation, to get your frustration out about this man, J.T. O'Sullivan...

via media.sacbee.com
This past season the San Francisco 49ers employed a quarterback by the name of John Thomas (or J.T.) O'Sullivan, a journeyman QB than had made eight stops at seven different NFL franchises along the way to the bay (Saints, Packers, Bears, Vikings, Patriots, Panthers, Bears again, and Lions).
Brought in as a QB familiar with new offensive coordinator Mike Martz's complicated-as-[site decorum] offensive scheme, J.T. was signed to a one-year contract on February 29th, 2008. At first, he was not expected to compete for the starting QB job. However, as the season progressed, we found out that J.T. had grasped Martz's offensive game plan quicker than the other QBs on the roster (being familiar with it from his stint with the Lions), and on August 22nd, 2008, then head coach Mike Nolan announced that J.T. had moved up the depth chart to the number 1 QB.
And then it happened...
Game after game we would witness our 49ers throw away games as J.T.O. AKA Just Turn Overs, Just Terrible O'Sullivan, Just Take (him) Out, etc, would seemingly gift-wrap the ball and present it as a present to opponents time and time again. In the two wins he was leading the offense for (@ Seattle and vs. Detroit), he had 3 TDs and zero intereceptions. It was the losses that killed him/us. In the six losses where he was at QB, he had 5 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, and 11 fumbles, six of them lost to the defense, resulting in a grand TD to INT ratio of 5:17, or 3.4 turnovers for every one touchdown thrown.
We all know what happened after that. Mike Nolan was fired after a loss to the NY Giants (it hurt, I was there) and Mike Singletary was named interim Head Coach. After JTO's week 8 debacle against Seattle (Fearless Leader's first game as a Head Coach) J.T. was benched for the remainder of the season, and Shaun Hill became QB of the 49ers, turning them around from 2-6 to 7-9 (that's a 5-3 tenure as starting QB there folks) where he had a 13:8 TD:INT ratio, be it not for that god-forsaken run up the middle on MNF by Michael Robinson vs the Cardinals, Hill might have led us to the playoffs (I can't believe it still hurts)...
Now, why did I give this outline of pain and anguish from last season? Because it is time to let it all out folks. Consider this your "I hate you J.T. O'Sullivan" thread. Vent your anguish over the last season, over how crappy JTO was, over how things could have been different if J.T. didn't hand other teams games. I understand there are people out there, such as Fooch, that are happy JTO came along. Without him, Sing would not be head coach, Martz and Nolan might still be in town, Hill might not be QB now, we might not have gotten Crabtree, whatever; I understand, and agree, with some of those positions. If that be the case for you, maybe you might want to skip this thread. For those still hurting from last season, you've come to the right place. Guys, let it out all at once, and lets move on.
I am going to make a rare exception to the rules here, and I'm going to put it in bold letters so everyone knows how super serial I am about this:
FOR THIS THREAD, AND THIS THREAD ONLY, I WILL ALLOW CURSING, SWEARING, AND AWFUL, AWFUL LANGUAGE. IF YOU ARE NOT OK WITH FOUL LANGUAGE, AVOID THIS THREAD LIKE THE PLAGUE. I REPEAT: FOR THIS THREAD, AND THIS THREAD ONLY, FOUL LANGUAGE IS ALLOWED ACROSS THE BOARD!!!
To set the stage for this abuse, I have a few clips for you guys to remind you how awful it was with J.T. at the helm of the team. We have Week 4 vs the Saints, Week 5 vs the Patriots (a game we DEFINATELY could have won), and his last game, Week 7 vs the Giants. Sorry...
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Those videos were awesome...
lol
Fuck JTO
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JTO your the scum beneth my toes
NINERS 4 LIFE
by LADubbz45 on Jun 23, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
shit piss fuck cunt cock sucker mother fucker tits fart turd and twaaaaat
by passionforPERPS on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 for the MT&T show
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 23, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
first heard that song in 7th grade
and it was life changing.
by passionforPERPS on Jun 23, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JTO
If you EVER get another job in the NFL as a QB, insist on using the ball that has a fucking handle on it you dip shit. Fuck if you have take a sack it is better than losing the damn ball. Not only do you not know how to hang on the fucking ball, but you didn’t have the balls to tell the coach that you suck and need to be pulled from the game so that the rest of the real 49ers could have a chance to make somthing of the year.
There now don’t you fell better now,, I know I do..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JTO
I dont think he was the problem…he made some good plays. its not his fault he sucks….
i think it was martz. i wanted cam cameron when we were looking for an OC…but fuck martz. I knew he wasnt a permanent solution.
by WeHaveCrabsAndVD on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think it IS his fault that he sucks...
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolans fault for going with JTOSuckavin for too long
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JTO could have, .
should have taken himself out for being so incompentent.. Hope he has enough money left over from last year so that I can buy enough paper bags to hang on his head for a year and then go sit in a corner with Dilfer, Nolan,
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dilcrap!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dilfuck
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just mailed him a package full of my own poo
actually, it was from an elephant.
If someone can figure out his address, we should totally send him some elephant shit.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Jun 23, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the reason Martz had to go
Talk about crappy coaching… rather than adapt his scheme to match the personnel, Martz did the opposite. Where might Hill have been if Martz hadn’t given up on him after less than a month of training camp?
I hated to root against a Niner, but he absolutely sucked, and I laughed out loud at his repeated fumbles and Ints, even tho is was costing the team games.
by cervant on Jun 23, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn the Giants, Eagles, Pats and Saints games!!!
Damn them all!!! Damn JTO for crappy play and Nolan for going with him for too damn long!!!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fot a guy that only played half a season for us, it sure is easy to find pictures of this guy fucking up.





This one is without question my personal favorite. You could say it sort of captures his “essence”: 
On a side note – could you imagine how awesome of a gag gift this would make?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 23, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Fantastic! 8 goddang sacks in the Seattle game makes me sick!!!
Wasn’t so much the Oline as it was JTO holding on to the ball way too fricken long.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure adds support to the ball with a handle solution
Nicely done shlecko..
I think it would be appropriate to put these lowlights into a loop and send it to Mr. O along with the affore mentioned bag of poo.
Hats off to ya niner fan
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do the Friday Night Lights trick....
and ductape the ball to his hands so he won’t fumble or throw another int, yet still feel the pain of getting the shit sacked out of him.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This last pic says it all...
Damn these are not muchkins… Shit.. Toto whare are you “…ther’s no place like home…ther’s is no place like home…” it worked for Dorothy…"
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck you JTO
i feel so dirty
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jun 23, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
J.T. O'Sullivan
I swear to God and anyone who might have been listening that I thought that O’Sullivan asshole should not have been allowed to ever touch the football for the 49ers. He threw the ball sidearm, he did not stay in the pocket(and for all you retired offensive linemen drove you crazy), he could not protect the ball,he was a cocky son of a bitch, and he just did not look like a quarterback.
Where ever he is now (Cincy?) he is not far enough away from a 49er uniform. Maybe he is a product of too much inbreeding or he has an I.Q. in the low 50’s.
It was pure and unadolterated torture to watch him destroy the 49ers game after game. I have been a 49er fan since 1958 (I was 8 yrs. old) and it was so bad waeching him that I had to turn the game off and go read a book. When I would read the stats the next day it would make me ill.
J.T. O’Sullivan can go to hell and don’t let the door hit him in the ass.
Mike McClaskey (mikemccwolf @hotmail.com)
by mikemccwolf on Jun 23, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear JTO
“Eat shit and kill yourself!”
Love,
Everyone and Bobby Boucher
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 23, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's this type of thread for Alex Smith
by supraman on Jun 23, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about it...
Maybe some time soon, once/if he gets benched for good…
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t remember how my times I said Fucking O’Sullivan last season, thank god he’s the Bengals problem now.
by Haringkm on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh poopy
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a dirty toilet-mouth you’ve got there.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
F-Bomb
I just wanted to say fuck on niners nation for once. Thanks. PS: JTO was like looking at an asshole infested with HPV (saw it in a textbook — yuck). PPS: Some of these posts have some really fucking nasty language. goddamnit. shitfire.
by dartdart on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
language
When we have open game threads, a little swearing is ok there as well. Not encouraged, but not a problem given the nature of game day discussions.
by Fooch on Jun 23, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise
that I will refrain as much as possible from potty mouth in the future.. Givien the nature of this post and the garsh darn really crummy performance of Mr.JTO I just had let it out… Besides the Prof… said it was ok. Oh heck, Jee whiz, mr. Cleaver, Wally said you say these things all the time..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
I meant that the game day threads were on top of this one. So there we go.
by Fooch on Jun 23, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood, just playing,, I am done with this one
and look forward to good things this year..
Go Ninerrssss..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 23, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches..
Name one player who thinks he is incompetent! Coaches should be on top of the game, like Singletary who yanked his ass out right away.
by Niner Power on Jun 23, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
J.T. O'Sullivan
Dude was shitty
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blame the guilty!!
JTO is just like every other NFL player. He wants on the field and will take every opportunity to play that comes to him. Aren’t we all like that? The problem was the coaches: Nolan and Martz. It is the coaches’ responsibility to make the obvious and necessary changes. JTO, just like every other player is going to take every opportunity that comes his way. Don’t blame JTO and don’t hate him for doing what he is suppose to do—play football to the best of his ability, even if he sucks. Blame the coaches.
by CorneliusJ on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My first comment...
And it had to be in a JTO’s post…
I’m from Mexico City, and although I’ve never been to the US, I feel this team as a part of my life since I was 11 years (I’m 31 now).
I’ve been reading every opinion here since 3 months ago, and I was afraid of posting my comment because I know that my english is not great, and I’ve seen the critics to bad grammar and misspellings, lol.
JTO was a big dissapointment for me, I was very excited about our team last season (yes, I’m an optimist), so it was really hard to see our team falling apart because of bad coaching decisions and a player like JTO, missing the opportunity of his life. I don’t need to tell them bad words, it won’t help to heal the fact that I did believe in them, and they broke my heart.
I can’t wait for the kickoff to forget the past season, Nolan, Martz and JTO, a sad chapter in the history of the best team in sports. Sorry for the long comment, and congratulations on the great work everyone is doing here.
by MX49er on Jun 24, 2009 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great comment
Sometimes a lack of cursing can go a long way… Welcome aboard
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your English isn't bad at all.
Welcome to NinersNation.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
Your english is better than a lot of the guys that post on this site lol.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thank ya sir
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you guys!
Now I feel better, lol
by MX49er on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JTO summed up his whole career on 1 play
I cannot remember what game exactly it was, but that piece of shit at the end of the game on fourth down somewhere around the red zone was being chased and fucking threw the ball away and basically didn’t even throw it up to give us a chance. I have been a die hard niner fan since I could barely walk and I currently live in South Carolina and have to go to sport’s bars to watch every game being that they don’t show a lot of west coast games out here. JTO basically made me sick to my stomach the first 8 weeks. I am extremely excited about this year having a proven QB who can win games and in my opinioni a veteran D who finished 13th in the league last year. Personally, I can’t really blame this all on JTO as Mike Nolan is a fucking piece of shit as well who kept him in for 8 weeks. I probably hate Mike Nolans faggot ass more than JTO. GO NINERS!
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 5:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Next cathartic release of tension....
Mike Nolan?
Dennis Erickson?
Mike Martz?
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
49ers Hall of {Site Decorum}
Thanks for the decade memories!
A certain owner would headline this class of inductees if it wasn’t for the rule that you must no longer be with the team.
by bignerd on Jun 24, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good use of sepia
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 25, 2009 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you summed up how retarded you were in one sentence.
by fballer on Jun 24, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
How is he retarded for saying that Nolan was an idiot for keeping JTO in for 8 weeks?
Quit being an ass.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 24, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am extremely excited about this year having a proven QB
Oh Shit, we signed somebody new!?
Wait…
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel ya dude.
I have been an out of state fan for the past 6 years now. It really sucks, usually being the only Niner fan in the bar having to watch that shit. Very painful.
by jonesin25 on Jun 24, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Professor Big
I have plenty of choice words for ASS Nolan. He was always too busy fixing his tie while his QB was getting the shit knocked out of him. Dennis Erickson was a fucking joke, CLUELESS. And Mike Martz is partially to blame for letting JTO play as long as he did. All I can say is whoever ends up or already has these coaches staffed, GOOD LUCK.
Oh yeah, FUCK YOU MIKE NOLAN…… you just wasted years and years off my life of watching a respectable franchise go to shit. I am very optimistic about Mike Singletary, bring us back to the glory days big guy…..PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE.
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JTO Haiku
You can eat my shit
And I hope that it chokes you
Half Ass Wannabee
by 9erEast on Jun 24, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JTO
Fuck you and the M/M brothers for screwing the fans. Thank god the only niner game I went to last year was the Buffalo game. I live in upstate NY I usually fly to 4 games a year, but I had to work too much this year. So fuck you JTO, Mike and Mike for being glad I that I couldn’t get all the games I wanted to.
by ny niner on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
JTO and Martz were there only one year. The real ASSHOLE was Nolan! I said for years that the only thing to cum out of his mouth was SHIT. I only hope that the Denver Fans shove their middle finger up his ASS, quickly and often. No need for Vaseline!
by LASVEGASNINER on Jun 24, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK J.T.O.
Fuck that puto… by far the worst quarterback i have ever seen… EVER… just reading about that son of bitch pisses me off. now the rest of my day is ruined… SO FUCK YOU J.T.O. i hope you end up bagging groceries somewhere….
by danteb on Jun 24, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when....
Hill almost got pulled for JTO for stinking up a Ram game, against one of the worst defenses in the League?
If Hill started the season, this could be a Hill article.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 24, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Touche
But it’s JTO
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J.T. eats cocks
As a cardinals fan, I was kinda hoping you guys would hang on to him for a while.
But then you had to switch to a coach who cares about winning.
This knob schlobber has effectively ended his and Mike Martz’s careers in half a season.
The Bengals are dumb as fuck for signing this guy. He is shitty for a #3 QB, and I think they expect him to be their #2.
by CardsDefense on Jun 24, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol classic
knob schlobber? that’s great
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JTO - you ruined my Sundays for 2 months
no bueno
by Neon on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In response to Drummer
I seriously doubt the fact that Hill would have had 21 turnovers by himself. Hill is a totally different QB in the pocket than JTsuckass. Hill can stand back there and be calm, JTO always had happy feet and scrambled and this is what got him into trouble. So all I ask is give Shaun Hill a little credit here. We probably would of been like 10-6 or 9-7 with hill as a starter. In regards to that rams game, I watched that game and that was a team loss. Our fucking secondary couldn’t even cover fucking rookie wide receivers letting them run right by for bulger to throw a 60 yard td pass. It wasn’t just Hill who sucked, it was the whole fucking team that game. Besides, didn’t we end up winning that game anyway?
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
reply button
Thanks for the comment, but going forward it’s easy to just click the reply button below a particular comment.
by Fooch on Jun 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the first half schedule...
NO, NE, PHI, AZ, SEA, NYG, DET, in no particular order. Is this the thread where site decorum is trashed? Because if it is, then I say that you’re smoking crack if you think Hill, with the wide open Martz offense, would have survived it.
The teams the 49ers played in the second half of the schedule had a combined 8 wins in their respective second halves. These are things the OP missed, or left out.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We probably would of been like 10-6 or 9-7 with hill as a starter.
No.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill would have done better than JTO
You can’t possibly refute that….
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 24, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He couldn't beat him out..
During pre-season. Forget the “Conspiracy”. Hill looked the worst out of all 3 QB’s before Smith got hurt during pre-season. He flat out sucked. There are a lot of factors involved in the second half run, and both the BUF and STL games could have easily gone the other way. Really, it was a few missed kicks and bad coaching on both BUF and STL that helped the 49ers win those games.
Myopia reigns supreme with Hill with a lot of fans here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 24, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with drummer here
While 2nd-half-of-season-Hill was >>>>>>>>>>>> 1st-half-of-season-JTO, JTO was the only one who truely understood, and could work with, the Martz offense. If Hill was put in, I don’t think he could have made the good plays JTO made (however fewe and far between they were)
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 25, 2009 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you both are wrong
JTO was Martz’s man from the beging… that’s why they brought him in.. Nolan and company totaly bought Martz’ s BS that they wouild have seen as fools ( though they were) to not go with Martz no. one guy. think about it ,, if the let the “real competion” pick the winner (Hill likely or Smith) then they ( in there own eyes) would have been crusified if things went wrong (as we all know they did) ,, so they had a fake competion and moved in JTO ( thinking he realy was the “THE MAN” and once it started to unfold as the BS it was they couidn’t pull him with out making themselves to look like the idiots that they were…
And that’s they way it is in river city…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jun 25, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really, really pains me to say this...
But JTO really did “win” what little of a pre-season battle there was. Hill and Smith looked awful in the exhibition games, and word all over the press was that they looked just as bad in training camp and practice. Martz may have chosen his guy well before anyone admitted to it, but that doesn’t mean that Alex and Shaun deserved to start the season.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are all Fucking retarded
It’s obvious non of you assholes ever played football in your life. You don’t understand the game. Put it all on JTO. He can handle it. He doesn’t need to waste his time worrying about you morons with no life. Does that make you feel significant to point fingers and blame everyone but the people to blame? I hope it makes everyone on this blog feel better about themselves. Remember this when your alone at night jerkin off using your tears as lube, watching the niners lose another one: Football is not about one guy. Coaches, management, front office personel, owners, they are the people you need to point the finger at.
Get a life, enjoy the game, it is what it is.
by fballer on Jun 24, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
I think we all understand the game of football, I was all state from 95-97. But that still doesn’t change the fact that JTO suckagain couldn’t hold onto the ball. How do you explain my comment from earlier when it was 4th down with like 45 seconds to go in the game and JT scrambled to the sideline and just threw it out of bounds. I mean fuck, even a high school QB would know to at least toss it into the endzone and give the fucking team a chance. Like I said, that 1 play and 1 play only summed up his whole NFL career. He shouldnt’ take all the blame, but 21 turnovers in 8 games….that’s like a new freaking record. And how do you explain the difference when Hill took over, he wasn’t fumbling the ball 3 to 4 times a game and he was playing with the same Offensive line. Sounds to me like your a JT lover.
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
This fucking joker must be a fucking Dallas Cowboy fan or something. Were you watching the same games as we were you fucking blind retard. Talk about moron
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
swearing/insults
While we are allowing swear words, I don’t think it’s necessary to call somebody a fucking blind retard. The swearing is meant for the likes of JTO. I realize fballer had his own share of unnecessary comments and this applies to him (and everybody else). Unnecessary attacks on fellow commenters is really not necessary. If you have an issue with what somebody says, pick apart the argument, not the person.
by Fooch on Jun 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is apparent fballer has issues
Maybe him and JTO were buddies at Davis. Had a fan with a similar reaction go crazy when I trashed Trent Dilcrap 2 years ago. It was the Minnesota game. We were chanting Shaun Hill and this 50something year old guy next to me gets all crazy and in my face saying “Watch your mouth about Trent! I graduated from Fresno State and have followed the guy all the way to the pros!” I calmly replied “Yea? Well that doesn’t change the fact that he still sucks.” About 5 minutes later Trent got his head taken off and in came Hill. We lost but Hill played fantastic! The point of this story? When a man loves another man there’s just nothing that will change his mind to think that the man he loves is a no talent ass clown. Boo Ya!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it makes everyone on this blog feel better about themselves.
Ummmm… that’s the point of this thread. Whether he deserves it or not, this is a cathartic (look it up) release of tension at JTO.
Of course there are multiple reasons as to why we still lost those games, none of us are completely blaming this on JTO. However, maybe if one less turnover happened in one of those six losses, we could be talking about how the Niners could be trying to get back in the playoffs for the second year in a row right now. This is meant to be a form of therapy, and an end-point for the “I HATE JTO, BLAH BLAH BLAH” discussions.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This video
Explains it all. For all you JTO protectors, please click on this “Just Turnover” link and see for yourself. I wish someone could find the vidoe where he threw the ball out of bounds on 4th down at the end of the game….THAT WAS PRICELESS. The look on his face was like “duuuhhhhh, i forgot it was 4th down duhhh duhhhhhhh aaaaaaa duhhhhhhh” Good video big nerd….
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fballer is one of em
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparantly
there’s a few people on here who are actually sticking up for this guy. But when it’s all said and done, JTO’s actions spoke a hell of a lot louder than these peoples opinions.
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is said and done
His play was a joke and him and the men who placed him as the starter are gone. Done deal.
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little angry, but not too much
I’m not all that mad at JTO. Oh, he sucked every bit as the biggest haters are saying, but most my hatred went to Nolan. The idiot who very likely ruined Alex Smith’s career, refused to give the defense an identity and above all, believed JTO was starter material and refused to bench him well after JTO exposed Nolan to be worse than what we thought before the season. All JTO did was do what what people expected him to do. Suck. You can blame him for sucking and he deserved it, but to be mad at what was considered to be obvious?
by Ovalshine on Jun 24, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I hated JTO’s play but I do feel more strongly that it was more Nolans fault than anything.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of JTO is the decision to go with him at QB looks worse over time. Seriously, he’s like that one girl you want no one to know you ever, ever dated. Face gets flushed with regret just thinking about it. 20 years from now someone is going to do a look back piece on the 49ers as use JTO as the prime example of just how bad things were.
I should probably quit now but in the spirit of JTO I’m just going to stay in the pocket and let the ball hang out there a little longer. Watching the low light video I’m convinced our defense can rise to be Top 5 simply by not having JTO. 3:50 of video of JTO giving away points . . . pick, fumble, fumble, pick, wtf w/ that!, fumble, angry stare, pick, wtf w/ that! . . . remote control thrown through television.
Awful, awful, awful! WTF!!!! Why did it take 8 games to end the suffering. FEMA should have taken over after Week 6. You ever want to heckle a 49er fan just mention the JTO era. I’ll do my best to erase the memories, just pretend it never happened. Show me a stat line, video or story and I’m going to deny it ever happen. Dude, your crazy, your freakin . . . hit from behind, FUMBLE the Seahawks picked up the ball and are taking it back 70 yards for the TD . . . WTF!!!!
by bignerd on Jun 24, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so at all
Alex Smith has been put into an ugly situation in SF since he was drafted. Mike Nolan ruined him. The kid has talent and I guarantee you we haven’t seen the last of Alex. Smith actually has a winning record as of right now. Can’t say the same for JTO suckagain.
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More crack smokers!
There is no way in hell JTO is better than Smith! I’d rather have Smith on IR on the bench w/ Robinson as QB than JTO in any game ever!!!
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
second that maveric. Top Cat must be a Bengals fan. I’m mean seriously, 22 turnovers in 8 games and lets face it, at least 16 of those turnovers were JTO’s fault and no one elses. Alex Smith is still very young and he just needs a team to surround him. I think were finally getting some decent receivers in SF and our OL needs to stay healthy. Smith will be fine if he stays.
by Stosh on Jun 24, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I strongly felt he was coming around until he got hurt the 1st time. Time will tell. He is around the same age as Ryan and Flacco. If he can stay healthy, he’ll be a solid starting QB. Especially if we are going to be a power running team.
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex doesn't have a winning record....
Just thought I’d point that out.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jun 24, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither did JTO
Whats your point?
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no point...
Yet, Smith was awful in Martz’s offense. Not just because of injury, but even healthy, he would have sucked as bad as JTO, for a lot of reasons JTO sucked.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 24, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"For a lot of reason why JTO sucked"
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A healthy Smith never got a chance to participate in the Martz system.
So the comparison is a bit unfair. Either way, I disagree with your opinion here.
The knock on Smith has always been that he’s too careful – where as JTO’s biggest problem was that he was seemingly incapable of displaying caution. He’d ignore coverage and try to force balls into triple coverage…always going after the big play. Sometimes he’d get them, and that’s a big part of what Mike Martz’s system is all about. Were a healthy Alex Smith under center, we’d have seen a lower completion percentage, fewer big plays and not nearly as many quick-strike drives…but we also wouldn’t have had even a third as many turnovers as we did with JTO at the helm – nor would we have had as many plays for negative yardage. To say that Smith would have handed the first half of the season over to the opposition the way that O’Sullivan did is just absurd.
At least with a 3-and-out, you put Andy Lee on the field and put your defense into a position to keep points off the board. Fumbling and throwing pick-sixes with the regularity that JTO did meant that we had no such opportunities.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit...
I mean, how can you post (with a straight face) that Smith is a fundamentally sound QB, who would make less turnovers in Martz’s system? Are you smoking crack? Smith is one of the most unfundamental QB’s in the League right now. Trent Edwards has more underneath him than Smith does. Smith, just like both he and Hill did, got murdered in the pre-season in an offense that had Green/Warner/Bulger put up big, fat numbers in the Regular season. Oh, what is it about the talent they had around them? The 49ers have been building offensive talent around them for a few years. How can Kitna post big numbers for 2 years in DET? Is DET a better team than SF on offense? Was it the Dome? Was it the running game? Or, get this, maybe because all 3 SF QB’s combined aren’t Jon Kitna? I will emphasize this name once more: Jon Kitna.
“Ummm, since the days of TD/pre Cap purge, where has the offense ranked?”
Well, the offense ranked higher than the Historical lows when Smith was at QB, and really, Tim Rattay could have outperformed Smith with Turner as OC. One could make the argument that if Rattay was kept as QB, passing yardage/efficiency would have went up, as opposed to the Historical lows of Smith.
“Smith didn’t run a Martz offense..”
Of course he didn’t. Because he can’t. Memo to John Kitna: you aren’t a #1 pick.
“JTO had a lot of turnovers…”
See Warner/Green/Kitna/Bulger stats in Martz’s offense
Need I go on, or do you get it now?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 25, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add...
Smith 2006: 16 games 16tds, 16ints 74.8 passer rating. With Larry Allen, Gore, Turner, etc…..
Rattay 2004: 9 games, 10tds, 10ints, 78.1 passer rating, with zero to what Smith has/had.
How is Smith better than Rattay?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 25, 2009 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get your facts straight
Rattay had Terrell Owens to throw to for a season or two. We have not had a big name receiver since TO. So your comparison is nonsense. Alex Smith has been poorly coached, has not had the offense to surround him except for Frank Gore, so what you just said is stupid.
by Stosh on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see ....
Where I wrote “2004”? Look up the offensive squad in 2004, and get back to me.
Phew!! I just realized I’m having a cathartic release of tension here……
Fuck you Alex Smith.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 25, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This aint the Alex Smith Post drummer
If he fails and gets cut then there will be an Alex Smith post so calm your ass down.
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by maveric_87 on Jun 25, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, how can you post (with a straight face) that Smith is a fundamentally sound QB?…
That would be hard. Good thing nobody actually said that, right?
…who would make less turnovers in Martz’s system?
Well, that’s not saying much. Coughing up the ball 22 times in 8.5 games seems to me like a pretty untouchable feat.
Observing your posts, I’ve noticed that it’s not really worth arguing with you. You seem to be fond of presenting responses that are the textual equivalent of pounding your fists on the table and shouting. So yeah – you’re right drummer. As always.
Here you go: 
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jun 25, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing you can use to prove Smith would be worse than JTO
It’s all what ifs and maybes…..bullcrap
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by maveric_87 on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse in Martz system
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by maveric_87 on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, really?
This is pretty harsh. I do realize he didn’t play very well but it’s not like he wasn’t trying.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He did try. And he did suck!
No one said he didn’t try or halfass his QB play. He was just horrible, plain and simple.
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by maveric_87 on Jun 24, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But are all the "Fuck you JTO!" really neccessary?
I mean, “Wow, JTO did really fucking suck” seems more appropriate. Don’t hate the player, hate his game.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL agreed
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by maveric_87 on Jun 25, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J..T..O...
“You suck 810…”
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
PLEASE let’s do a FUCK YOU NOLAN post!!! I’m more upset with him than JTO. JTO had talent, but made a lot of stupid ass decisions. He at least had one thing on Nolan.
by hudd07 on Jun 25, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Link
This actually angered me more than the videos that PB linked us to.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/09000d5d80bc1a50/49ers-postgame-press-conference
by hudd07 on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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