Madden "10": Your 2009 Madden 49ers
by David Fucillo on Jun 24, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
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Well, the time has come. The time that many of you have been waiting for. Today, EA sports, in conjunction with ESPN.com/videogames, has released the complete roster rankings of the San Francisco 49ers in the most recent iteration of the Madden football franchise; Madden 10. After the jump, I've included a few interesting players to note. In the meantime here's a link to the whole roster.
First, let's see how EA sees our QB controversy - Shaun Hill vs Alex Smith:
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Name | Team | Position | Overall | Speed | Acceleration | Strength | Agility |
| 13 | S. Hill | SFO | QB | 69 | 69 | 60 | 51 | 62 |
| 11 | A. Smith | SFO | QB | 67 | 70 | 74 | 56 | 73 |
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Number
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Name | Awareness | Stamina | Toughness | Injury | Throwing Power | Throwing Accuracy | Carrying |
| 13 | S. Hill | 73 | 88 | 85 | 88 | 83 | 75 | 41 |
| 11 | A. Smith | 68 | 94 | 92 | 88 | 84 | 74 | 65 |
If you ask me, its strange how Shaun Hill has a higher overall average, yet he only has one stat better than Alex Smith (Throwing Accuracy)...
Due to those silly, silly HTML problems, I'm just going to include a link right here to the full list of rankings, and let you guys check out the rest. I'll highlight a few areas you should pay particular attention to...
- Crabtree is ranked as the number 1 receiver, seemingly by a lot. Is he BY FAR the best WR on the team?
- Crabtree the strongest WR? Even stronger than VD and Bear? Really?
- Patrick Willis - So Dirty. Discuss...
- Frank Gore - So Dirty. Discuss...
- Andy Lee - So Dirty. Discuss...
- 49ers Offensive Line - Underrated, or Accurate?
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Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
um yeah the point was
that the complete roster rankings for Madden 10 have been released.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
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Smith is WAY faster than Shaun Hill, but his injury and accuracy should be a lot less than Hill at this point…. especially coming off a season long injury. I’d rate Hill around a 73-75, and Smith, unfortunately is fine where he’s at, other than his speed and acceleration. This is dumb, it’s like they’re the same QB.
They need to find a way to put intangibles into a stat category, cuz guys like Hill and Jeff Garcia have that certain something that makes them good. That enables them to make plays at the right time, despite having physical limitations. Maybe a Luck category, and/or reaction time for QB’s… or a “Read” time…. or the ability to read a defense. Where’s the QB Vision category?
Where’s the fact that some guys can make short accurate throws better than the other guy, yet those guys can’t throw a deep ball?
New rating system
with the new rating system, I think it’s hard to judge what any “non-elite” player should be rated. they’ve widened the gap between great players and career backups, so 69 may be more like a 73-75 rating in last years madden.
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If you ask me, its strange how Shaun Hill has a higher overall average, yet he only has one stat better than Alex Smith (Throwing Accuracy)…
You seemed to miss the difference in the Awareness attribute. That’s one of the biggest factors of the Overall rating, especially with QBs.
By the way, the tables are seriously screwing with the CSS or whatever this site is presented in.
I don't know how solid these ratings are...
the new madden ratings don’t have a Throwing Accuracy rating. It’s split up between Short/Medium/Deep.
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
According to the Excel spreadsheet you can get from EA Sports’ website, there is a “Throw Accuracy” rating as well as the three you mentioned. I know for at least last year’s Madden, there were more specific ratings (i.e. man coverage and zone coverage for defensive players, too) in the PS3 and/or 360 versions, however, I know the Wii still uses the old rating table with the simplified (or less specific) ratings.
I have to get myself a 360 or ps3
Everything made for Wii is always half-assed
by SportsChicken on Jun 24, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wii
Madden and stuff is not too good for it. However, I just got the Grand Slam Tennis game with the Motion Plus and it’s a whole lotta fun.
by David Fucillo on Jun 24, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen the new player models for Madden on Wii?
Pretty cartoonish. I kind of like the idea there’s a bigger distinction between different positions but the upper bodies of most players are abnormally too huge, especially through the chest and shoulders.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw those.
I was hoping they’re just raw images, as the models seem to be pretty rough around the edges. In any case, I’m not a big fan of that look, but hopefully they fix a few things with the gameplay, too.
I almost kind of like it the idea
Although the models do look a little rough but the overall look is kind of growing on me. I guess my thinking is that while video game developers are making things look more realistic all the time that they do end up missing the ball on certain things and when that happens it really bugs me for some reason. It’s like instead of trying to make everything look as realistic as possible and always coming up a bit short just own the fact that you’re making a video game and video games are fake so feel free to make your characters look cartoonish as long as you can completely execute that feel or look.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I love em
Reminds me of Team Fortress but in football unis.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
madden
Im disappointed that Nate Clements is only a 84 in this years madden… hopefully they will update that
Shawn hill better
Shawn hill has better awareness and that means a lot to those people at ea sports.
and if you ask me P wills should have 100 tackle.
also M smith has 97 strength how do you say “beastmode”
Except...
As pointed out by sam23 in the Early 49ers Madden 2010 ratings FanPost:
Patrick Willis is actually a 198, the third digit just doesn’t show up
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
nate davis?
the rankings for nate davis are amazing. 91 THP, 81 THA, 92 INJ, and 94 STA…all of those are equal if not better than hill/smith. i think i’ll make him my starting qb…
by WeHaveCrabsAndVD on Jun 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
His overall is 64
So I think the upside would definitely trump the 5 point difference in overall rating.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same
Nate Davis has pretty good numbers.
Also, its funny that Smith has a higher toughness raiting than Hill. If I recall correctly, and I do, Hill dove helmetless head first in a game. Smith has been injured the past two seasons. You’d think Hill would have a higher toughness level, but what ev.
by Andrew Davidson on Jun 24, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree
As soon as I looked at nate davis ratings. he will definitely be my starter, if he does not work out i’ll do the
same as last year trade for brady quinn. lol
I don't know why someone would trade for Brady Quinn:
He’s awful in Madden. You might as well just roll Shaun Hill out there.
The CPU puts a high price on first round picks, even though the randomized drafts usually contain crappy players with high price tags – I usually package my highest rated QB with a 1st rounder and an overrated player with 1 year left on his contract for Drew Brees. CPU thinks it’s a steal, and I laugh while I lead the league in passing while someone like JTO or Alex Smith destroys my beloved Saints.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
For the last...
… few Madden’s, I’ve turned Alex Smith into one of the most prolific passers of all time.
Thoughts
Battle with 80 speed? I mean the guy is unspectacular and all that, but 80? Also, for supposed “potential” deep threats, Jones and Hill have some rather unspectacular speed ratings, too. If I’m not mistaken, Speed is one of the only ratings you can’t improve on as the Franchise progresses. That doesn’t bode well for either of them. Also, I refuse to believe Gore is faster than Davis (or at least two or three of the WRs).
There are a lot wrong with the ratings. I don’t expect them to be perfect (or even really good), but a lot of it seems to be way off base. I guess the new rating system is part of the reason?
I've actually
had the speed increase in Franchise Mode. I use Morgan and Hill as my 1 and 2 after Bruce retires after the first season. And Morgan’s speed by the third year is 99 and Hill is 98. Not sure whey they started out though in the first year, im guessing low 90’s
That's what she said.
RE: Speed
Did you improve it through training drills or just through the natural progression of the game? I know that you can improve speed through the drills but it’s not one of those drills I’m any good at.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
drills
even for the RBs and LBs, i always focus on Stiff Arm, Elusive Runner and Power Back. I cant do the 40 drill or Bench press to save my life
That's what she said.
Bah.
Yet another fail in the Wii version. I don’t have access to most of the drills the PS3/360 crowd does, that’s why my assumption about not improving speed exists.
Run blocking drills are the easiest
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
I’m pretty sure you can pass all All-Madden level without doing a thing and just letting the computer auto pilot it.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The 40 and bench press drills do suck.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
the 40's cake...
you just have to always set it to all-pro… gauranteed 5 points…
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I tried it once and never went back
Almost all of the other drills are so much easier in comparison.
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by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
the ratings are way to low
in madden 09 justin smith was a 94 now 83, and parys Haralson is only 76 clay Matthews is rated 77 i just cant beleive how bad there starting us off this year
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A little thing that use to bug the Hell out of me
On the next Gen Maddens it irritated the frick out of me when I used the 9ers old school unis because everything would be correct except for the facemasks. I’d be wearing the 80’s duds and the facemask would still be red. A very little thing but damnet if every other team has the right unis then so should we. Makes me happy to see with the new unis that everything is right.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Heitmann is the most surprising to me...
One of the better centers in the league but a rating of 77 overall. Even more surprising is that in all of the main categories for offensive lineman hes rated at 90+ and his awareness is 84. How does that work?
by 49er4life on Jun 24, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Star Players
They are trying to show exactly what makes a star player in that positon. I always hated the awareness factor. A guy with 60 sp and 60 strength but an awareness of 99 makes him a star player? they got to fix that!
Cream
Chicago Bears
Will most likely be my team in madden this year.. or maybe the Lions. Strong armed QBs with fast wide receivers, “Greatest Show on Turf” domination, (The Raiders would seem like the best fit, but I could never use them and still feel like a niner fan), Have to pass the ball 83% of the time.. it’s virtually unstoppable.
But you'll use the Bears and still feel like a 9er fan?
I don’t get it…..
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
My bad I was replying to supraman
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
I would use neither the Raiders nor Bears
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
WTF...
From that picture, it the Forty Niners uniform looks dark red…not cherry red
Can the video game makers get their shit straight? They also messed up the old Forty Niners uniform by not adding stripes on the shins…What jackasses…Pay more attention!!!
The new unis aren't cherry red though...
They are not as dark as last years but they aren’t as bright as the oldies either. Got both the white and red jerseys in last week.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
They forgot someone though I know he'll be on the roster update
I’d like to see what Dre Bly is rated since he is taking over for Walt Harris for the year.
he's a 77...
per the first post about madden.
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the starting O-line got screwed… except Staley on his speed. A 75 speed rating, and 89 Acceleration… is he really that much faster than Pascoe? Is he faster than Alex Smith?
I think Staley is stronger than that too.
They were somewhat generous on a few of the backups on the line though. Barry Sims at 76, but Heitman and Baas at 77? yeah, I don’t think so. They should both be around 80… and Sims around 73.
Funny that they gave Davis an awareness of 35 for QB, since he has a learning disability… even though it’s not supposed to affect his football IQ.
Funny that they gave Davis an awareness of 35 for QB, since he has a learning disability… even though it’s not supposed to affect his football IQ.
Oh man… Didn’t even think about that… Ice cold Madden, ice cold…
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jun 24, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
and unfortunately, in the last few incarnations of madden it’s been near impossible to raise the horrible awareness levels attributed to rookies to respectable numbers. Get a rookie with 45 awareness, he may reach 55 before he retires.
no thats not true
u jus have to have a really good season with them an there attributes will go up a lot, the safety dashon i started him my first two seasons by the third year he was a 89 overall, if u can get them in the pro bowl that will definitely improve them.
I think the starting O-line got screwed… except Staley on his speed. A 75 speed rating, and 89 Acceleration… is he really that much faster than Pascoe?
I don’t know about being faster than Smith, but I do seem to remember him having one of the fastest 40-times ever put in by an offensive lineman. Remember, Staley is a converted TE (though I’m not sure when he converted from TE to OT).
Staley
ran track in high school, and is a speed demon. not sure when he converted from TE to OT either, but it was a good move (for us anyway).
by Andrew Davidson on Jun 24, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Straight From EA Sports
Here is the complete ratings all the stuff ESPN did not show. We have an overall Team Rating of 73
http://maddennfl.easports.com/cover.action
Cream
Will Madden still be worth playing this year?
I was pretty let down by the XX anniversay, supposedly being the greatest thing since Madden 05.
I think EA needs to start using a new development kit for the game, and maybe, just maybe, thinking about buying the VC engine. All-pro Football was fantastic, and if they could mesh Madden with that engine, it would be an unstoppably awesome game.
by Andrew Davidson on Jun 24, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions
I'm at least intigued by the new rating scale
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Same.
I’m kind of curious as to how the future rookie classes that get randomly generated are going to be affected. In the past, I could almost always find late round corners that run sub 4.3 40’s. Considering how rare elite speed is (based on the 49ers ratings), it’ll be interesting if the made up drafts will reflect that.
regarding the draft
Josh Looman, the lead designer of the head coach logic hand created 30 draft classes. 250 player in each. and he made sure to load it with a few sleepers and busts.
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing that bugs me...
is that I like to play franchise again and again. The way this is set up, I’ll know the draft classes by heart by my 3rd franchise…
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy fix
Buy NCAA.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh.
I always thought the draft classes were randomly generated. I guess I should have known the same Mike Smith that has almost all identical attributes must just be a rehash of some preset list that has looped around.
The draft class (as a whole might be set)
while the sequencing of the draft classes might be random. All I know is that I was working on a 49ers and Lions franchise and the draft class for the first year were totally different.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
09's Draft's were random...
randon players, random ratings… it’s in 10 that they have custom draft classes.
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is kinda sad
All that time and money and focus on “BETTER” ratings, and this is hardly the case. Frank Gore is the fastest on offense, I doubt it. Crabs stronger than VD, thats ridiculous. Our WR’s got hosed justin smith got hosed, a 3-4 DE with 7 sks is good especially for a first year in it. No respect whatsoever for Hill being that close to Smith. So does that mean he is as good as JTO who I’m sure ranks around those guys too. I think they went too far and put too much seperation in between players. V Davis blocking and speed and strength would have him top 10 in TE’s so (site deorum) the madden ratings, I can’t wait to play it though
M. S. #50
Could it not be relative?
Could RB speed and WR speed be set up on different scales? Same with WR strength and TE strength? I’m just saying…I doubt it but I’m just saying…
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
training mode in franchise?
any word on if they still exist?
by Patrick J Smiles on Jun 24, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions
Why does EA Sports have such a mancrush on Isaac Sopoaga?
80 rating? In this system? For real?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
3-4 vs 4-3
This is one of my biggest issues with madden is that it seems that all DE, whether a 3-4 or 4-3, are looked at the same when certain attributes should make certain DE more suited for a partiuclar scheme. Same goes with OLB but at a lesser extent. In a near perfect world EA’s overall ratings would adjust based on the scheme that a team plays.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
While I definitely understand that it would add a level of complexity to the development of the game, I can’t imagine it being TOO difficult. I mean, they already have a way to select your base defense, and they can sure as heck adjust players overall ratings when you switch their positions. I’d imagine they could make up some generic rules (i.e. 4-3 DTs can be switched to NT automatically, 4-3 DEs can be switched to OLB automatically) and let the gameplayer make the finetuned adjustments as to where the players are assigned.
I don't know that it would be that difficult
I’m assuming that current there is some kind of formula that the game using to calculate overall ratings for each positions by weighing or putting empahsis on certain ratings more so than others. This is would be why Ahmad Brooks rates out as a better OLB in ‘09 than he does at ILB. All it would really involve is EA adding additional position rating calculators for 3-4 OLB and DE. Then it should give you the ability to search for 3-4 DE and OLB specifically in the drafts and FA. I don’t know that the switch from DT to NT is as big of an issue for me as say OLB and DE but I guess they could make it a new rating calculator for it as well. That is, if any of this makes sense.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jun 26, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense.
It’s kind of what I said, too. Kind of a difficult idea to explain, but I think we’re on the same page here.
i live in philly
so i play two franchises the niners/eagles, eagles use 4-3 so i go for coverage OLB an pass rusher DE’s, since the niners use the 3-4 i look for fast OLB an run stopper DE’s. an for the most part that solves the difference in the two schemes, even though what u r sayin would totally make it easier.
every year since he has been there
I’ve given him the boot before i even do preseason, i don’t know y he’s still there, it drives me crazy
The whole system is bologna!!
I’m baffled heitman 77 but rachals in the 80’s wtf ever. brandon jones same speed as isaac bruce and morgan but he’s our deep threat? hill clocked an unofficial 4.38 but hes 87? you mean to tell me many lawsons faster then nate clements? gores faster then vernon davis? I have to observe other teams rosters. when we played against that saints and henderson caught that deep ball and clements ran him down….. if dat bastards still a 98 in speed……vernon davis chased josh wilson down on that 75 yard int if hes 95 in davis is 87………..
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