Why the Forty Niners Will Win the West in '09
by SSC24 on Jun 8, 2009 8:40 PM PDT
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PrintThis topic has been discussed before, but I will give a 100% guarantee that the Forty Niners will win the division in 2009 (barring injuries to key players). Let's go through every team in the NFC West.
1) St. Louis Rams: They will be in a rebuilding year yet again. They'll get good production out of Steven Jackson but not much else. They have a bad defense and an average offense that will rely heavily on the run. But, when Bulger is allowed to throw, it will be to the likes of Donnie Avery and Keenan Burton and not Torry Holt. I expect them to go 6-10 at the most, if not 5-11. After a 2-14 season, Steve Spagnuolo should have the team improved at least a little on defense. This team isn't going anywhere anytime soon. That's the final verdict.
2) Seattle Seahawks: They have a pretty solid defense, which is especially solid at LB (Aaron Curry, Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill). Their secondary is also fairly good. The defense as a whole, though, won't be in the top 10. Their D-line will not be as productive this season as much as last season. They've lost Rocky Bernard, a huge body. Yes, the team just got Houshmandzadeh and they also have Branch, but the two are old and past their primes. So is Hasselbeck, who will be 34 on September 25th. This may be Hasselbeck's last season to actually be competitive and be a starter if he doesn't do so well. He's coming off an injury that sidelined him last year also. I see this team going 8-8 or 9-7 and no more. Replacing Mike Holmgren willl be hard, and Jim Mora Jr. will never be able to fill in that void. He will also rely on the run more but has no stud RBs (Julius Jones anyone? Maurice Morris is gone and so is Leonard Weaver).
3) Arizona Cardinals: They are coming off a Super Bowl loss with Kurt Warner ( will be 38 on the 22nd of June) will not have a repeat performance in 2009. He straight up will not. Even when he did last year, his team finished only 9-7. Take away the two victories they got against the Forty Niners (in the first one we had O'Sully and in the second Martz screwed us over) and the cards are 7-9 and don't make the postseason. They just lost Edgerrin James and Tim Hightower is only average. Chris Wells will not be a major factor in his first year as he'll back up Hightower (who knows- maybe he'll replace Hightower towards the end of the season). Boldin is complaining about his contract and will be somewhat of a distraction. Now, the main two reasons: the coordinators. Todd Haley is now the Chiefs head coach and it will be hard for his successor to repeat his performance. He will have to learn quickly about his players. Clancy Pendergast was fired as the defensive coordinator and he was replaced by...drumroll...Billy Davis! Remember him, Forty Niner fans? He was terrible for us, and I say there's a good chance he'll be terrible for them. Losses of Antonio Smith and Travis LaBoy will also not help. I see them finishing around 6-10 and 7-9.
4) San Francisco Forty Niners: This team is the only one in the division (mark my words) that is moving forward in a positive direction. We have a starting quarterback (It's Hill, get over it) and a coach that gets this team fired up and pushes it to the limit. He wants winners and he'll get winners out of the Forty Niners. He will make this team mentally super-strong, to put it lightly. With a lot of depth at WR, a TE that will be utilised more, a healthy Gore, Coffee backing him up and an easy offense to learn (and one that is actually suited for its players) the Forty Niners will succeed at putting points on the board early in games and running out the clock (with Gore and Coffee) to end them. This team will win games partly because of lack of mistakes on offense. The defense will also be solid. Singletary will personally make sure the D is firing on all cylinders. The linebacking corps is great and I believe Lawson and Haralson will provide the pass rush needed and collect sacks as well as pressure the QB. The secondary is looking solid and Aubrayo Franklin, Kentwan Balmer and Isaac Sopoaga will be three very good NTs (Especially the first two mentioned). This team will only improve from the position it is in right now. Shaun Hill's quick release and consistency at the QB position will be unlike Forty Niner fans have seen in years. He is the leader this team seeks, and it will get that leader. The Forty Niners will pass (as much as pessimist fans hate to admit) and Shaun Hill will be the signal caller. He'll actually be able to call audibles at the line after seeing clues in the defense. He's a smart guy that just gets the job done, and he will after a strong offseason. The team will finish 10-6 or 11-5 (in a worst-case scenerio, they'll finish 9-7) but the bottom line is they'll win the division.
Fellow Forty Niner fans,
I happen to agree with coach Singletary when he says: "How far away are we from being a playoff team? We're there right now. How far are we from being a championship team? We're miles and miles away." Remember, 2009 is our year to make the playoffs, but more importantly it is the year that will determine how mentally strong the team is and how far it will go in the playoffs. My only suggestion is: instead of wishing for a playoff birth, wish for a Super Bowl birth- and a win.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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The secondary is looking solid
WRONG.
The CB position is in shambles……We need more depth at the position (only 4 solid players Clemments, Bly, Brown, and Spencer……Hudson hasn’t impressed me yet)
Aubrayo Franklin, Kentwan Balmer and Isaac Sopoaga will be three very good NTs
That’s way too bold
Franklin may surprise a few people (he’s in his contract year) but I really don’t want Balmer playing NT…he has all the physical skills to be a 5-technique….
I say we let him learn to play DE without burdening him with having to learn to play NT as well.
I agree with a playoff birth
the secondary consist of more then just CB. We have Dashon (ball hawk)goldson whos lighting it up, and I also have high hopes for jahi word daniels. not too many people talk about him but he may be nice. so we have two gamblers in bly, and goldson. Add in two physical dbs in clements and lewis on the otherside. A possible starter in tarrell brown, and we have solid play. how many Teams have 4 “solid CB’s”? thats good to boast. Name cbs behind ike talyor, and dashea townsend? how about behind samari rolle? mc callisters gone, washingtons a liability. even the cowgirls aren’t as solid with terence newman being their best db, and he bites on just about every pump fake. each team mentioned had a better defense then us last year and they’re not nearly as solid at db as us. maybe more talented players at certain positions but not as solid.
"how many Teams have 4 "solid CB’s"?"
Not many, but it’s questionable if the 49ers have even 2.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on your definiton of "solid"
By “solid” I meant guys that don’t completely suck.
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, in that case I'd say the 49ers have a couple.
Clements is decent, maybe Dre Bly won’t be godawful like he’s been the last several seasons.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You forgot a few.
Hudson is a viable nickle-back, Spencer was pretty good when he was healthy, and T. Brown has looked pretty good in his limited playing time.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hudson is a viable nickle-back
No one really knows what Hudson brings to the table. When he was drafted, the team said he’s versatile and can play both safety and corner. However, in three years, he’s actually seen his play time diminish rather than grow (or stay constant).
I understand having optimism for young players, but calling a player who has hardly played a “viable nickelback” is kind of a stretch. Hopefully, for the 49ers, Spencer finally learns how to stay healthy.
Yeah that was over-optimistic.
But he’s probably going to see more playing time this year though.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
More playing time.
Considering the commonness (is that really a word? Firefox isn’t underlining it) of injuries do secondaries, Hudson will surely get his shot as an extra DB (at safety or corner).
40 ints on his resume
maybe its because people take shots at him but i’ll take it lol. I bet qbs would take shots at asanti samuel or rashean mathis if they played opposite champ bailey as well. denver took bly out of his element I think he will hold up just fine.
By "out of his element" you mean what, exactly?
One of the raps on Bly is that he’s better in bump coverage – and can struggle when he’s not allowed to jam the receivers at the line. The same can be said of Clements, and yet the 49ers coaching staff has seemingly made no effort to change that.
Who’s to say Bly will be any less out of his element here than he was in Denver?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Press coverage
I think the 49ers lack of press coverage in recent years is because of the “safe” nature Nolan liked to run his defense with. Hopefully, Singletary and Manusky’s first full year together will allow them to gain some confidence in their safeties so they can allow the corners to press a little more.
perhaps Michael (though he’s not on the other side, since this would seem to imply that Lewis is a cornerback rather than his actual position, safety). MLew is the most physical safety on the roster.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Michael lewis
I was referring to Michael Lewis. A DB is anyone in the secondary. the CB are strictly corners. the secondary are corners and safetys, they’re all defensive backs.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I’m sure that nobody here knew that.
by SportsChicken on Jun 14, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll try to be positive here
We still don’t have the talent to deserve to be a playoff team, but we do have Singletary who’s going around instilling a lot of confidence in the players. He already has the 49ers as a playoff team but says they’re miles away from a championship caliber.
You're way wrong on this one.
This Niner team is deep on both sides of the ball and will easily be a playoff team and may even surprise you, a la 1981. The league is ripe for a new stud in town.
Kezarvet
Deep?
If Gore goes down, the offense is screwed.
If Staley and/or Heitmann go down, the offensive line is screwed, and in turn, the offensive line is probably screwed.
If Justin Smith goes down, the defensive line is somewhat screwed, and in turn, the defense is dramatically weaker.
If Willis goes down, the linebacking group has a huge hole in the middle, and in turn, the defense is dramatically weaker.
If Haralson and/or Lawson goes down, the pass rush will be dramatically weaker, as they just flat out lack bodies that can get to the passer, and in turn, the defense is screwed.
If Clements goes down, the secondary is dramatically weaker (he’s the last solid strand of nylon in the rope), and in turn, the defense is screwed.
Yes, I know injuries can happen, and me picking out the above players is like cherry-picking the worst-case scenarios. However, those are all positions of severely poor depth, and the 49ers could be in a world of hurt if there are injuries there.
by sfgfan on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
IF.....
If we lose players we are a weaker team for sure. Which team would ever get BETTER by losing their starter? That’s like stating the obvious. If one of the top Pro Bowl RBs in the league goes down we are in trouble…Ya think? If a Pro Bowl LB whom I think is the BEST in the league goes down, we have a huge hole in the middle….Ya think? If our starting LEFT Tackle goes down, we are in trouble…YA THINK!!!! Cmon, tell me something I don’t know. I don’t mean to pick on you, but your post is ridiculous. The Seahawks got smashed with injuries last year and they STUNK. Duh. The Cardinals stayed ridiculously healthy last year and went to the Super Bowl. Oh my god, think of that. I don’t think any team has a lot of depth after their starters. We have more depth than we have at any year in the last 7 years. We have 2 starting QBs (yes I’m on the Hill AND Smith bandwagon). We have solid RBs with Coffee and Sheets (whom I LOVE). Are we gonna hurt without a top 5 RB, yeah, but who isn’t. The fact of the matter is we are sooooo much better positioned this year any another other in 7 years, maybe even longer. I agree with SSC24, I think we can win the West.
by hudd07 on Jun 9, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying...
… that no team doesn’t have injuries. Heck, I even stated at the very bottom that injuries happen.
I was just refuting what kezarvet was saying about depth. Depth is when you have a player who can step in and there won’t be a much of a drop off (there will still be a drop-off, no doubt) from the starter. Depth is having a RB like Fargas to back up McFadden. Depth is having at least a player who’s had a decent amount of successful starting experience. And by successful, I’m not saying 1,000 yard rusher or a 4,000 yard passer. I’m saying a capable player, much like a guy like Fargas is.
As it stands, the 49ers do lack that. I understand you can’t have great depth at all positions. I totally get that. However, the 49ers are really falling short on depth in some VERY key areas. Walt Harris goes down and Shawntae Spencer still can’t find the field, so who is playing corner during OTAs and Mini-camps? Allen Rossum.
by sfgfan on Jun 9, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree completely
But I think that for RB, ILB, and DLine we have guys that I’d be ok with stepping in. CB, OLine, OLB not so much.
by Gob on Jun 9, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially starters
on the level of Willis, Gore, or J Smith
I'm not saying...
… they won’t be “as good.” I’m saying losing the players creates a dramatic drop-off. I don’t expect the 49ers to have another Haralson just sitting on the bench (as he’d probably be starting over Lawson), but not having Haralson basically takes away the OLB group of sacks (I have very little faith in Lawson as a sack-getter). That’s different than thinking if you lose Haralson’s 10 sacks, but you’ll get 7 or 8 from his replacement. The 49ers would be lucky if they got five from J.Moore or whoever steps in.
"We have 2 starting QBs"
What? o_O
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't Justin Tuck
A #2 at one point?
It depends on the talent of the team’s bench.
The Giants, for example, have an ass-load of talent on the bench.
by SportsChicken on Jun 9, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure you could find examples... but accross the board.
If the players on the bench were so good they would warrant more money and hence no longer be on the bench. Now sure, your programs ability to cultivate talent will translate into more of the #2’s becoming #1’s but that is how it works. The point is that I’m not so sure that our #2’s are that much better or worse than the top half of the league, with maybe the exception of our LBers, but that is still waiting to pan out.
All the recent talk about our “razor thin” secondary is questionable. Bly just may be better than Harris(interceptions). Brown may be better than we think and claims to be “the best athlete on the team”. DGold is looking solid, and we have a bunch of young guys on deck.
playoffs
We just have to win the division. The chargers went 8-8 and did it last year. We just have to see how the cards come back after their SB lost, and the seahawks with their millions of injuries.
Pizza is the best. Also, go 9ers!
"We just have to win the division. "
Yeah, that’s how most teams make the playoffs in general…
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I'm with you...
… kind of.
I think if the 49ers make the playoffs, they will have either been VERY lucky in the injury department (i.e. the OL, Gore, J.Smith, P.Willis, N.Clements all stay off the injured list), or they overachieved. I’m not trying to be negative, but this team still has gaping holes and unless those holes are either filled or the players representing the holes overachieve, the 49ers are still fairly weak in some key areas.
With that said, it wouldn’t really surprise me if they did make the playoffs though. I’m definitely rooting for it.
ok...
I just saw this post after your last post sent me on a tirade. I agree with this one much more. In order to make it in the playoffs we will have to be relatively injury free, but that is the NFL. They healthy teams make it, the ones that are bug bitten don’t. That’s just a fact. Most teams have gaping holes honestly. If you go team to team I’m sure you will find people that may not start on others. I mean we have a QB that wouldn’t start on Detroits, but we are WAY better. All teams have them and I don’t think we have as many as you think. The Patriots are a solid team but they have a hole with RBs. None of their starters would start over Gore on our team. Vikings are a really good team, but I don’t think their QBs would be any better than ours, etc…..again, all teams have holes. In this day in age with 32 teams and only so many superstars, some teams will be weaker in some areas than others, but stronger than other teams in other areas.
The Patriots are a solid team but they have a hole with RBs.
This is true. While they don’t have a whole lot of depth there, their offense isn’t dependent on it. The Patriots, over the past decade, have never had a marquee back in their backfield, really. It has always been some mediocre player, an over the hill player, or some inconsistent youngsters. The 49ers, on the other hand, need Gore. Their offense will probably be completely centered around Gore.
I’m not saying the 49ers have tons of holes in the sense that it’s numerical. I just think the 49ers’ holes are in very vulnerable places, and their backups are very raw or complete wildcards.
by sfgfan on Jun 9, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point taken on both of your responses….
As for the Raiders, you named their one strong position that they have depth which RB is not like that with other teams typically. Teamwide, the Raiders lose someone that’s a starter they are toast. Heck they are toast as they stand. I know losing Willis will hurt us BAD, but Spikes can slide over to take his spot, and Ulbrich can fill in. I know we are hurting, but do I think we freefall after that, no. It would be same if Urlacher goes down, or R Lewis. Gore goes down, and we hurt yes, but I REALLY think Coffee and Sheets will surprise. I’m not worried about our CBs to be honest. I don’t think that’s the biggest concern of ours, I think our Defense can absorb some losses and be ok. I’d be more worried about Offense. This is where I disagree with you though. Bruce goes down, we have 5 WRs while raw, I think will play well. Hill goes down, I think Smith can fill in and vice versa if Smith is starter. V. Davis goes down, and I think Walker steps in and plays good, and Pascoe can more than handle blocking duties. I think the only thing that terribly scares me is Staley but he hasn’t missed a game in 2 years. I look at places where we most likely could lose someone and the only thing that stands out is CB and RB and I think we have done an above average job of getting servicable backups there. Maybe it’s me being optimistic with our Rookies/Youngsters but I think they can step up. I think T. Brown is solid, I think R. Smith can fill in at CB in a pinch. I think Spencer is a nickel back at best but won’t KILL us. Allen Rossum has actually looked good in OTAs per M. Barrows.
Gore goes down, and we hurt yes, but I REALLY think Coffee and Sheets will surprise.
This is what I meant in my original comment to supraman’s comment by “overachieving.” No one expects a whole lot out of Coffe and/or Sheets, so if they produce as starters, I’d say that’s overachieving.
As for your argument about the offense, I didn’t list any of the players you listed as players that would weaken the team. In my list in the response to kezarvet, the only offensive players I included were Gore, Staley, and Heitmann. I can understand “overachieving” coming from young RBs (it happens all the time), but expecting that out of offensive linemen, especially a center, is extremely rare.
I think the team’s strong-point, right now, is the defense, but only if the starters stay healthy. Most of the weak spots I listed are defensive players. The players I fear for most on defense are Clements and Haralson. Haralson is the only player the 49ers have where we know he can get after the QB with results. Clements is the only CB who has experience with Manusky. If Clements go down, the starting CBs suddenly become Bly and Brown, two seriously undersized CBs in a division that features some physical WRs (Boldin, Fitz, and now Housh).
I totally understand that you have faith in the youngsters. I just don’t feel that they quite deserve that much faith. It’s just a difference in opinion. I agree with you that Spencer as a nickelback won’t kill us, the problem is, will he even be active? The guy has hardly played in the last two years, or at least been missing A LOT. Rossum may have looked good in OTAs, but as they say: a lot of people can look good in shorts and a t-shirt. Wait until they put on pads and start hitting before you can make any solid judgment.
Again, we just kind of differ on how much faith to put in the backups. I don’t feel comfortable with a lot of them, but I’m certainly going to hope for the best if they do have to come in to play.
by sfgfan on Jun 9, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll agree. Clements going down does scare me a bit. I never really thought of losing him, was more focused on Harris since we did lose him. I glossed over him when you mentioned it in your first post. Haralson could be scary but I’m thinking Manny will step up this year. I do feel you though, I’m probably more of a glass half full type of guy when it comes to the team. I wouldn’t say you are a glass half empty type of guy but probably more of a realist. I just read your first comment and was like YA THINK. Of course it will hurt us if we lose Pro Bowl players. Like you said, I think I’m just a little more “of faith” with our backups.
I have a question, since you seem like a reasonable person.
I’m not too familiar with the 49ers injury situation in 2008. What I do know is that they won 5 of their last 8 games, but with the NFL’s easiest strength of schedule in the last half of the season. The first half, they went 2-6. I know a lot of that can be attributed to J.T. O’Sullivan, but that still isn’t very impressive. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t everyone you mentioned aside from Gore healthy the entire season?
I know I worded that awfully, but I guess I’m trying to say that San Francisco wasn’t really affected by injury and still didn’t do particularly well.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well.
Well, almost everyone I all the positions I listed stayed healthy. The 49ers’ offensive line gave them fits, especially early in the year. Even toward the end of the year, RT was a spot where it seemed like the coaching staff just wanted to throw a body out there and see if it sticks. I totally understand people’s reservation about M.Smith coming in at RT, as he hasn’t been healthy the last few years. However, I feel quite a bit better about a guy who’s had the same injury affect him for two years than a guy who has had a multitude of injuries (Jennings).
To answer you question, which is basically something along the lines of “why do you expect different results from the same cast?”, I just say that it’s all about the approach to the games. Martz’ high-flying, leave your QB for dead, style of offense can win big if it wins, but it also loses bad if it loses. I’m hoping (rightfully or not) that Jimmy Raye brings a bit more of a balanced attack and understands that he has a Pro Bowl RUNNING back in his backfield. While Gore certainly had a fair amount of carries last season, it was ridiculous to see in some games the 49ers were up and Martz STILL going with 7-step drops and such.
I know, as you pointed out, it’s not that “impressive” to blame it all on O’Sullivan, and perhaps it’s not all that “impressive” to blame it on Martz, either, however, I just feel like the offense will be a little better this year. Of course, this is all as long as key players don’t get hurt. The 49ers can survive if a guard goes down or if M.Smith goes down at RT. However, they can’t afford to lose Heitmann or Staley. Similarly, the 49ers can afford to lose a WR or two (or even TE) to injury, but the 49ers can’t afford to lose Gore in the backfield.
I hope that all makes sense and kind of helps you see how a 49ers fan may be looking at things. Granted, I’m not sipping that SUPER SWEET Kool-Aid that some other fans are drinking, but I can definitely see some room for optimism (which is where I’m at). I know the team’s got weaknesses, and as someone else said (either in this thread or another one) the 49ers would probably easier drop the key losses to fall below .500 than win those games to be above .500. However, you can’t fault a fan for hoping otherwise.
No, I understand completely.
Well put. Your input seems a lot more closer to reality than some other views held by some people here.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Reality
People have different perceptions of what they feel is reality. While I’m certainly an optimistic person, I try my best to understand why others can be skeptical, too. It helps make for better discussion, I think.
I noticed on FieldGulls, I think, you were wondering about Haralson’s sacks and what kind of sacks they were. A while back, grantmp did a nice piece on where he went back and watched all the 49ers sacks and tried to describe what was going on on each play. I’m a bit lazy to go through it all again to tell you how Haralson’s sacks were, but I figured I’d give you the link so you can check it out for yourself.
Thanks, I'll check that out.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
How in the hell do we have the easiest schedule in any part of the season??
The AFC East played the NFC West. We had Miami, The Jets, Buffalo, and Dallas the Cards had the Giants, Pats, Philly, and the Vikes. But they also had STL twice and the Seagurls. So let’s dismiss that myth please
M. S. #50
"How in the hell do we have the easiest schedule in any part of the season??"
The 49ers last 8 opponents combined for the lowest winning percentage in the NFL, and that was where the 49ers collected 5 of their 7 wins.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
The only reason I can think of is the fixed Carolina game….but they still beat Philly.
Heck, I can say that the Steelers didn’t deserve to be in the superbowl for a large number of reasons:
1. They didn’t deserve the 1st round bye because they didn’t really win the last regular season game against the Ravens (it wasn’t a TD)….if the officials would have gotten the call right the Steelers would have finished with a weaker record.
2. They played the weakest teams in the playoffs (chargers without LT and banged up Ravens)
3. Put them against a healthy Titans team in the AFC championship and they’ll get whooped.
BUT, all those points are moot……just like your original statement.
by SportsChicken on Jun 9, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
"the fixed Carolina game"?
They absolutely thrashed the Panthers, that game wasn’t even close.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Like 99 million turnovers from Jake Delhomme.
Oh yeah, that game definitely wasn’t fixed.
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If the game was fixed, Delhomme is REALLY devious
After all, he signed an extension after the season. I’m surprised that he wasn’t lynched given a stern talking to about ball security and decision-making after the game.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Wow, dude.
That…sucks.
You know, for him. Not for me. I won money on that game.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
If I'm not mistaken, a couple of those INTs were deflected balls.
Now, unless you’re implying that he somehow had the power to direct those in mid-air towards the Cardinals players’ hands, there is absolutely no way that game was fixed. Or the Cardinals stacking the defense in the box and shutting down Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I think about it
the more that banner makes me angry. How could he put that up with a straight face when Hostler—a former defensive player (DB) was the offensive coordinator?
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
I too think this team has a lot of potential to win this year. It just seems like the pieces are there and it helps the team has a coach who knows where he’s going.
I think the D could carry the team alone almost like the Bears and Ravens teams of past. Especially if the Offense is average. But it does look very promising. I just still feel theres alot of questions on offense though.
by KingsAs49erSharks on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
Right...
Hasselbeck and Warner, two of the better, most consistent quarterbacks of this century are obviously primed for a collapse, while Shaun Hill’s “quick release and consistency” will save this franchise?
Beanie Wells won’t be a factor because he’s backing up Hightower? Tim Hightower was a 7th round selection before replacing Edgerrin James last season. Wells will be a big factor.
9-7 as a “worst case scenario” is ridiculous. Out of division games we draw the AFC South (Colts, Titans, @Texans, Jags), the NFC North (Green Bay, @ Minnesota, Bears, Lions), on top of playing Philly and the Falcons at home . Add in the fact that there's no way we sweep our division, and I think you're looking at a 9-7 best case scenario. I think we're good enough now that I see really only two of those games as practically hopeless (Indy, @Philly) which speaks volumes about where we’re headed, but we still have to prove we’re good on the field instead of just saying it every offseason.
I am however with you in the general idea that this division is weak, and that 9-7 or even 8-8 can win the West.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Jun 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
the niner do have the potential to win this division. They will be tough for sure, they have people in place that can go either way on the “talent” scale. many things lacking before will be there in spades. i guess my question is the “talent” really lacking? Really we are only basing this on percptions based on previous niner teams. The new regime, I think will bring about things we have not seem before from many of the existing players.
the Nfc west
the niners wont win the west ,lack of pass rush is really going to hurt this defense and Aubrayo Franklin and Isaac Sopoaga are average at best and Kentwan Balmer was a wasted pick. Nate Clements can’t cover. the niners defense will be in the middle of the pac at best. the offense will struggle at first no matter who’s the quarterback. Another new offense will take time to learn. And the niners didn’t really address the offensive line other then adding Marvel Smith and he’s just like adding one injury prone player for another so they really just have the same offensive line that they’ve had for the last 2 years which has given up over 100 sacks the last 2 years. I’m a niners fan but a realistic one and I have to watch and see what the season brings before I can get my hopes up.I’m still convince the niners wont due much of anything until the yorks are completely out of the picture, I’m not sold on McCloughan either, only one great player drafted Willis and that was a matter of luck and one who’s had a chance to run a draft year after year is bound be lucky enough to draft at least one good player. Crabtree fell right into their laps and he hasn’t taken the field yet so we’ll see. I’m hopping for the best but expecting the least, that way I won’t be disappointed as usual.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jun 9, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
13th is better than middle of the pack
As for saying you are realistic fan doesn’t really mean anything because any fan who has high hopes for the 9ers thinks they are being realistic. And again Marvel Smith isn’t injury prone. He hasn’t had consistent injuries his whole career. As for Kentwan Balmer, this is going to be his second year. D-linemen take time to learn the techniques. I don’t want to go on too long about this because this has been discussed many times but, the 49ers have many reason to be very optimistic this season.
Dashon Goldson
Full year of 3-4 no Nolan BS
Crabtree
Moran Norris and more running
No Martz
Josh Morgan
Alex Smith and Shaun Hill are looking good in mini camp
VD being used to create miss matches as well as improving his catching
Just to name some off the top of my head
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You say some ignorant things here.
“Nate Clements can’t cover” immediately comes to mind. Further, everyone that follows football knows that DLine is a tough position for a rookie to play well. I’m not saying Balmer’s going to the Pro Bowl just yet, but to dismiss the fact that improvement is a POSSIBILITY is just ignorant, especially when taking into account that he’s spent all offseason training with one of the hardest workers in the game in Justin Smith. It’s ok to be optimistic. My belief is that the biggest problem from a year ago has been addressed – we went from having a weak HC who had zero respect from his team to the exact opposite, a man who’s been there. The players recognize that more than we do, I think. The fact that Singletary was one of the greatest players on one of the greatest defenses of all time is not something they take lightly, so his words and his passion carry a lot more weight than Nolan’s did.
by Gob on Jun 9, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
clements cant cover???
i disagree, he can not cover for 8, 9 10, 11 seconds. but neither can nambi. that was last years pass rush. they will get to the QB more just as they did when they stops the 3/4 4/3 hybrid nolan crap and went straight 3/4 mid season last year.
week 12
vs the Cowboys the 49ers were rushing Romo well in that game, but T.O was pretty much unstoppable that game.
TO
I heard that TO struggles and get frustrated when you play press coverage against him. For some reason we weren’t. Isn’t Clements good at press coverage? Man, that game was bad.
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Not what they were trying to do.
They were trying to get to Romo and make him throw off target.
But our pass rush just wasn’t good enough.
by SportsChicken on Jun 11, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The 49ers were getting to Romo that game, it’s just that T.O bailed him out.
If the 49ers play press coverage on T.O, who knows what good could fo came out of it.
They were getting to Romo?
I don’t think so dude.
On that first T.O. TD catch Romo had an ass load of time to throw.
They were on his ass all game but they couldn’t get to him.
by SportsChicken on Jun 11, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
We would have
only one guy to get close. Than he would move up more and have like an hour to throw. I think if we played them later on in the season than our pass rush would have been a lot better.
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Dude
I have the ENTIRE game on tape (Don’t tell the NFL)
If I wanted to I could watch it all over again and count the time that Romo had to throw on T.O. TDs.
by SportsChicken on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have the ENTIRE game on tape (Don’t tell the NFL)
I actually think it’s okay to tape the games. It’s just not okay to re-broadcast any portion of it online or on TV.
Romo sucks and the cowgirls will hurt not having TO
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Just wondering.
Would you rather have Tony Romo or the dynamic duo of Shaun Hill/Alex Smith?
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by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends
I’d take Shaun Hill over Tony Romo in December….
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point. I'd even take Alex Smith circa 2006 over Romo in December.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Steve Young out of retirement throwing than Romo in December
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by maveric_87 on Jun 15, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have Steve Young out of retirement throwing than Shaun Hill ever.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Bold prediction:
The Niners will unquestionably be one of the top teams in the NFC at the end of the regular season. Teams that I think will also be at the top: Chicago, Atlanta, New York. Maybe Philly as a Wild Card.
Had me laughing right off the bat
but I will give a 100% guarantee that the Forty Niners will win the division in 2009 (barring injuries to key players).
Just like sex panther, 60% of the time it works every time.
I hope your right in your prediction, it is the season for optimism.
Some of u guys are really drinkin' the koolaid
Cards are the team to beat in the west. If Seattle can get healthy they will give the Cards a run. SF still has a major, major, major qb problem.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 11, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions
Or, we can wait for some DT to bust through Eric Heitman + a guard and injure Alex Smith again.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
injury
As bad as that was, it was also early in his comeback from a broken leg so I’ll forgive him for that one.
by David Fucillo on Jun 12, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries.
Heitmann is fairly good but it’s sort of hypocritical to talk about Warner’s injury when the team’s future rests on Alex Smith.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
true
And it’d feel much better beating another team on an even playing field as opposed to when they’ve lost good players. That’s kind of why the one win against you guys really wasn’t particularly satisfying. Barely beat a team that was absolutely decimated at wide receiver, and of course got whipped later in the year. I’d rather know how good or bad my team truly is and hopefully that’ll be cleared up this year.
by David Fucillo on Jun 12, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Team's futre rests on Alex Smith?
I’m sorry but I’m going to have to call you out on that one.
That’s just plain ignorant.
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if you're aware of this because many people overlook this,
but Shaun Hill is almost 30. Even if he wins the starting QB job (which isn’t guaranteed) and plays somewhat decently, he’s not going to be around for more than 4 or 5 years, and that’s an extremely optimistic outlook.
Of course, the team could always just give up on Smith, but that’s a #1 pick flushed down the crapper along with the money from his contract and time spent trying to develop him. He’s still pretty young.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You also have to consider
He didn’t throw a pass until 2007. So he hasn’t been beat up as some 30 year old QBs.
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Sometimes you just have to let go.
Smith is no longer the future, he’s a back-up (and he’s being paid back-up money).
The coaches (and some fans) hope he can develop and become a good QB, but nobody is expecting him to play like a No. 1 overall pick anymore.
That’s why Nate Davis was drafted, and that’s why there’s a chance that SF might pick a QB in next year’s draft (assuming this year goes down the crapper).
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't consider
a 4000 yd, 90 rating a major, major, major problem. Those are Hill’s 16 gm projected stats from last year. Shocked that a Cards fan would come in here to say that, though. I’ll give you guys credit for the postseason, that was a nice little run, but you were 9-7 reg season. Not exactly a powerhouse.
Talk to Derek Anderson and Brown's Fans
about trying to project partial season stats onto a full season. When teams get game film on a qb and have time to look at his tendancies, strengths and weaknesses things change. I may have gone too far with the 2nd and 3rd "major"s, but Qb is a week spot on your team. I don’t honestly see how someone rational could debate that, but your fans and that’s fine.
I will point out that even some of your own fans don’t agree Hill should start.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 12, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The Cards are mediocre
Good Day Sir!!!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Maybe they are.
We will have to wait and see what this year brings. Based upon last year, the Cards are the team to beat in the NFC west. This particualr thread makes a guarantee that the current SF team will win the division and goes on to indicate they hope SF will be a SB contender this year. This post also evaluates the rest of the teams in division. If you are going to evaluate my team, I think it is ok for me to come on here and comment.
Several, but not all, of the posters since go even further and predict SF will be a SB contender or one of the top teams in the NFL this year. To me that statement is borderline crazy. I agree it’s the NFL and anything can happen. Steelers, Patrioits, Ravens, Eagles, Giants have recently proven records that make them SB contenders year after year (I would have put in the colts too except for all the coaching changes). But to say SF is a contender this year is fanatical talk.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It's very ok for you to come in and comment here
I love the action. The comment about the 9ers being a top team in the NFL may be a stretch but being the best in the NFC is not very hard to do. Especially the West division winner. Like I said, the Cards got hot at the right time. I really don’t think they are as great as advertised. I think that unless injury strikes again, the Seacocks will be in contention for the division as well as the Cards and 9ers. I don’t feel there is “team to beat” in the division. It’s a 3-way battle this year and I think the 9ers come out of it. This team looks as good if not better than the last 9ers team that won the West and made the playoffs in 2002.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
what the hell is drullin
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Team to beat?
Yes.
Major QB problem?
No.
by SportsChicken on Jun 11, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
QB problem
The cards will have a QB problem when Warner gets crushed. He had a great year. But he’s gna get hammered this year. If the 9ers won that stupid monday night game, the Cards aren’t even sniffing the SB. They are mediocre. They got hot at the right time just like the Giants of the year before.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
The problem is, that the 49ers didn't get hot...at all.
And it’s just as likely Smith/Hill gets injured too.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith/ Hill just as likely to get hurt as Warner?
Once again, you are just throwing out random opinions without backing them up.
What makes you say that Smith/Hill are just as likely to get injured as Warner?
Have you analyzed both offensive lines and seen which is more likely to give up nasty sacks?
Have you analyzed both team’s schedules to see in which game an injury may be more probable?
You have absolutely no proof.
(The only thing that the other guy has on Warner is the fact that Warner is that he’s old and is coming off hip surgery)
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
to be fair
Smith is also coming off of a serious shoulder surgery on his throwing arm. I think it’s very likely he could easily get hurt again, and also it’s the NFL where {site decorum} happens, so really you could say any teams starting QB or player for that matter, is likely to get hurt.
"I'll be honest with you, I love his music, I do, I'm a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"
Well
You actually supported your opinions.
The other guy is just throwing out random statements.
by SportsChicken on Jun 13, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's see.
“What makes you say that Smith/Hill are just as likely to get injured as Warner?”
Because the 49ers have a really bad offensive line that gave up 55 sacks last season. Sacks = additional injury risk.
“Have you analyzed both offensive lines and seen which is more likely to give up nasty sacks?”
49ers. Especially when you factor in Warner’s absurdly quick release in the face of pressure.
“Have you analyzed both team’s schedules to see in which game an injury may be more probable?”
You can’t predict injuries.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t predict injuries.
Exactly.
You just proved my point…..stop trying to predict injuries.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
"The cards will have a QB problem when Warner gets crushed. He had a great year. But he’s gna get hammered this year."
Obviously, this statement didn’t come from you, but it’s pretty baseless all the same.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said I supported that statement.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Love how oppinions stir the pot
An oppinion doesn’t need to be backed up with factual evidence that’s why it’s an oppinion. Not FACT! Warner will get crushed because he will and I’m a 9ers fan. Would it make sense for me to say “Oh Warner will be well protected and no harm will come to him this year in the division it will be great”? Oppinion and FACT are not the same.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Opinions that are not well defended
Are not well respected.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need an injury to Warner
We came together on Monday night, not far in the Singletary era, and were an OC away from the win, not upset but win. You win the division by 2 games and you’re the Steelers, Colts, or Pats, doesn’t work like that. I’ll tell you how it works………………..49ers sweep this season or we come damn close!!
M. S. #50
Cards are definitely the team to beat they won the West.
The 49ers and Seahawks have a chance to dethrone them. It’s not the AFC East or North or South. The same team will not win every year. There is more of a balance of competition. Remember the 49ers have the best defense out of all NFC West teams.
M. S. #50
Yeah, if
If’s are kind of meaningless to debate. Example: If the officials miss a few less calls the Cards maybe win the SB? It didn’t happen that way so it’s irrelevant.
Age is a concern. Injury to any starting qb is also a concern, so . . .
Let’s talk facts:
Last year everyone predicted Warner could go a season without getting hurt.
Warner played all 16 regular season games and 4 playoff games w/o injury.
Warner has not missed a game due to injury since 2005.
The entire starting offensive line returns.
The only real difference in the offense at all is Edge is out/Beenie is in.
No other team has jumped at signing Edge.
Boldin has not grumbled since he fired Rosenjerk.
Whether he wants to cash in as a Card or on another team, Boldin has to treat this like a contract year (even though he has 2 left on his deal) and put up huge numbers once the season rolls around.
I don’t mean to disparage Edge, he played great down the stretch and in the playoffs, but he just been tackled too many times.
I agree that the Cards got hot in the playoffs, but the unsaid assumption is it will not carry forward into the 09 season. The SB run sure pushed the giants into a contender spot the next season. We’ll have to wait and see whhat it does for the cards.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
This was supposed to be a reply to maveric_87 QB problem
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jun 12, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
eh I'm just joshn ya on that one
my main point is just that they barely even made the playoffs and just got hot. I don’t see it being easy for the Cards to make the playoffs. I feel last year was the Cards year. The 9ers had issues at QB and Coaching while the Rams suck and the Seacocks were hurt all year. And if we look at the track record for SB loser in the last 10 years it’s not looking to good.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
"The 9ers had issues at QB"
I’m sorry, but you’re saying that like they no longer have those same issues.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
JTO is gone.
It’s pretty obvious we don’t have the same issues….
by SportsChicken on Jun 12, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But neither Hill nor Smith have yet established themselves as franchise QBs yet. So it’s not like that issue has somehow gone away.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 14, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But it's still not the SAME issues.
We have issues, but not the same issues we had last year.
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the same issues at all
Smith and Hill are not gun slingers. Smith has been hurt and Hill doesn’t have a strong arm. I’d much rather have those issues than some moron in there throwing like Brett Suck My ASS Favrerere with all of the int’s and fumble.
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Agreed
But it does help to be solid at the position and I think Hill or Smith can do it.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
Warner
Had hip surgery. That could be a very good thing for him or it could get injured again if he got hit in the right place. Just thought i’d throw that out there
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No
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
a Cardinals' perspective on your breakdown of our team.....
3) Arizona Cardinals: They are coming off a Super Bowl loss with Kurt Warner ( will be 38 on the 22nd of June) will not have a repeat performance in 2009. He straight up will not. Even when he did last year, his team finished only 9-7. Take away the two victories they got against the Forty Niners (in the first one we had O’Sully and in the second Martz screwed us over) and the cards are 7-9 and don’t make the postseason.
No one really knows for sure what KW will have this season but it’s nothing more than a guess to say that he’ll significantly regress purely based on his age. He played hurt for most of the season, had a career year and had even better numbers in the playoffs. His O-line should also be improved and let’s face it the running game can’t be any worse. In my mind, you’re comment about Warner should have revolved around his ability to stay healthy instead of his age. At least you’d have had some facts to back up that stance.
They just lost Edgerrin James and Tim Hightower is only average. Chris Wells will not be a major factor in his first year as he’ll back up Hightower (who knows- maybe he’ll replace Hightower towards the end of the season). Boldin is complaining about his contract and will be somewhat of a distraction.
They basically traded Edge for Wells. Given Edge’s production last year, I don’t see how Wells could be considered a downgrade. If anything they’ve gotten younger and more talented at a key position and Hightower now has a year of experience. As for Boldin, he was a distraction last year. As someone who follows every single piece of news that trickles out of the facility, Boldin is unhappy and everyone knows it, but everyone also knows that when it’s gametime, he’s the same old Q. Any sort of big blowups (ala Terrell Owens) don’t help his case of being paid like a number 1 receiver.
Now, the main two reasons: the coordinators. Todd Haley is now the Chiefs head coach and it will be hard for his successor to repeat his performance. He will have to learn quickly about his players. Clancy Pendergast was fired as the defensive coordinator and he was replaced by…drumroll…Billy Davis! Remember him, Forty Niner fans? He was terrible for us, and I say there’s a good chance he’ll be terrible for them.
While the Cards did lose both coordinators, both were replaced by ‘in-house’ coaches so there won’t be any ‘learning curve’ for new coaches or massive scheme changes. Whiz will go back to calling plays, like he did in 2007 and Davis is simply stepping up from LB coach to DC. I’m fully aware of how bad the 49ers defense was when Davis was there but I’ve also read multiple stories about how Davis was really just Nolan’s puppet while Nolan ran the defense.
Losses of Antonio Smith and Travis LaBoy will also not help. I see them finishing around 6-10 and 7-9.
Antonio Smith is being replaced by last year’s 2nd round pick. Campbell’s a promising player who showed flashes of outstanding ability his rookie season. He may not ‘wow’ fans with his play but being a 3-4 defensive end isn’t about ‘wowing’ people. As for Travis LaBoy, they cut him so I don’t really see how that can be seen as a loss. Sure he had a great game against the 9ers, but over the final 14 games (including playoffs) he registered a whopping 13 tackles and zero sacks. He’s hardly a loss.
I’ve also read multiple stories about how Davis was really just Nolan’s puppet while Nolan ran the defense.
Just thought I’d try to clarify this (though, of course, my memory could be a total fail sometimes), but Davis actually had autonomy on the defense (at least as much as Nolan has ever been willing to give up to any of his assistants. I think Davis called the plays and all that kind of stuff, Nolan just implemented the system. It wasn’t until after Davis’ playcalling was proven to suck, that Nolan took over the playcalling duties, too.
So I guess in a sense he was a puppet (didn’t get to choose his own system), but his playcalling cost him his job, I think.
And
The Defense improved when he left…..
by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Executive Summary:
If the key players on the Cards and the Hawks are injured and the Niners face no significant injuries, then the Niners have a serious chance at contending for the NFC West Title.
And if a 9-7 team can make it to the SB, then the Niners definitely have a shot.
I miss anything?
Seems dead on.
You missed ‘all young talent will improve dramatically’ though :)
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
my first nfl game
been a niner fan since 5th grade and i’m just now going to my first live nfl game this year. the 9er seattle game in september at the stick. can’t wait!!! haven’t been this excited about sf since 02. but i’m realistic. we aren’t making it to the damn superbowl with these smith or hill man. i’m tired of the smith hill arguments. a franchise this great deserves better than those two subpar, ok at best qb’s at the helm. we’ve been losing so many years that many of you seem to forget that. let smith or hill have this yr, develop nate, and get a talented younger qb behind nate in the next yr or two for insurance.
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