NFC West Position-by-Position: Nose/Defensive Tackle
Now that we've wrapped up all the offensive positions (quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, centers, offensive tackles, guards and total offense), it's time to switch over to the defense. We decided to start on the defensive line and move out from there. The division runs a mix of 3-4 and 4-3 defenses so we're just going with the combined nose and defensive tackles. The 49ers mix in four down linemen on passing downs, which I briefly mention, but the 3-4 is all about the nose tackle, so I concentrated on that. So, was I too harsh on Aubrayo Franklin? Too easy?
1. Seattle Seahawks
2. San Francisco 49ers
3. Arizona Cardinals
4. St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan
This grade should be higher. It frustrates me a bit that it isn’t. Seattle struck gold in 2007 drafting Brandon Mebane in the third round. Mebane has been the best defensive tackle taken in his class, leading it in sacks, starts, tackles for a loss, tackles and forced fumbles. He holds, walks back and often splits double teams making him the rare defensive tackle that is stout against the run and dangerous rushing the passer. He’s also one of the youngest members of his class, having excelled in the league at 22 and 23. Mebane is the kind of talent that should make filling out a good tackle rotation easy, but Seattle hasn’t.
Seattle looked to have struck gold in 2008 drafting Red Bryant in the fourth round. Everyone loves Bryant’s talent. 320 lb men should not move like Bryant. His mix of size, power and moves should make him the perfect fit for what Seattle is doing defensively and the perfect pairing for Mebane. But Bryant is unbelievably raw. For all his talent, Bryant was alternately great and awful with the awful too often overshadowing the great and the awful dictating his draft position. Coach Fran’s antiquated option stopping system didn’t help. Bryant needs time to adjust to the NFL. He missed three-quarters of his rookie season because of injury. At 25 and rawer than walking cattle, there’s real bust potential for Bryant.
Seattle insured itself against that possibility by signing Colin Cole to a five-year, $21.4 million contract. The soon to be 29 year old defensive tackle has eight starts in a six-year career. He’s 330 and chiseled, so people reflexively say he’s a run stuffer, but in truth he was one of the weak links on a ruinously bad Packers’ run defense. The guy gets pushed around. He handles single blocks, but doesn’t generate much pass rush. His skill set isn’t well fit for the NFL: not fast enough to rush and not stout enough to stuff. Cole would need a Pat Williams-like career renaissance to justify his contract, and much to my frustration, his contract will keep in him in Blue and keep him starting for at least two seasons.
Besides Bryant, the team has newly minted utility defensive lineman Cory Redding to pop into the three tech on obvious passing downs and holdover Craig Terrill to provide situational pass rush. Terrill is the other half of a longstanding weakness for Seattle, but he’s not a bad player. Just a one-dimensional player that’s bad, bad, bad against the run. Matched with Howard Green, the two made an agonizingly flimsy second unit. Redding is slimming down to play defensive end and murmurs suggest last season's knee injury is career altering, but he's a high motor type that finds action. As a third down defensive tackle, he will give Seattle good burst and steady disruption in the interior.
The best case scenario is somehow Bryant wins out over Cole and Seattle starts Bryant at nose tackle and Mebane at under tackle. That gives Seattle two nose tackle types that can also rush the passer. Redding and Cole could then form a good second unit. Or, should Seattle use situational substitutions, the team could be as beefy as Cole and Bryant in the middle and as fast and light as Redding and Terrill.
So you see, it frustrates me to give Seattle a "C", because there’s some good talent and some great depth, but I’m not so sure the talent develops and right now the depth, Redding and Cole, are being slotted to start—Redding at defensive end. Training camp could change that. Football should be meritocratic, but contracts and politics and seniority and schemes often push superior talent towards the fringe.
San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch
As the 49ers have slowly transitioned from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense, a sticking point has been the nose tackle. Aubrayo Franklin will never be confused with Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton. At the same time, Franklin did an admirable job last season in the nose tackle role. He made plays, penetrated the offensive line and showed dramatic improvement from his first season with the 49ers. The 49ers simplified things for him and utilized in more of a one-gap sort of technique. Takeo Spikes was quoted as saying he was in the same class as Hampton and San Diego's Jamal Williams. I won't go that far, but I was pleasantly surprised with his performance in 2008. The big question for him is if he can show some consistency there.
The big question for the NT/DT as a whole is the depth. Franklin does not seem like a guy who will be in every play whistle to whistle. To make up for that, the 49ers have been getting Isaac Sopoaga and 2nd year man Kentwan Balmer reps in OTAs at nose tackle. Sopoaga seems to be built to be a nose tackle, but he's tended to perform better in a 4-3 type of role. While I won't call him a failure as a 49er, I do think he's really struggled to meet the potential he seems to have. As for Balmer, he didn't do much of anything as a rookie and will hopefully be able to concentrate more on his defensive end duties this year.
The team still mix in a 4 down linemen defense on 3rd down and I'd imagine we'll see a guy like Justin Smith moving inside to defensive tackle. However, given his normal role as a defensive end and the primary use of the 3-4, I won't use him to beef up the 49ers grade.
Overall, I think Franklin will be solid for the 49ers at nose tackle this season. They certainly will need it if they're going to improve that defense. At the same time, the lack of significant depth at nose tackle lead me to a grade of C.
Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
The Arizona Cardinals are one of the many teams who have jumped on the 3-4 band wagon and even though they've been some form of mixed/hybrid defense for a couple of seasons, they are expected to look and function much more like a conventional 3-4 defense this season. With that being said, the rock of any respectable 3-4 defense is a huge immovable rock in the middle of the defensive line. For the Cardinals defense to be successful in 2009, they need that immovable force to be Gabe Watson. Watson (6'3, 332), a fourth round pick in 2006, showed some promise during his first two seasons and looked to be in store for a big season heading into the 2008 season, but an off season treadmill accident left him with a fractured knee cap. He'd end up missing the first four games entirely and wouldn't end up starting a game until the Super Bowl. After the season we learned that he played with pain for most of the season and he had a second operation shortly after the season ended. Watson is expected to be ready for training camp and should regain the starting job by the season opener. If he can return to health and play as well as he did in 2007, the nose tackle position has the potential to be above average and the Cardinals' front seven could be very successful against opposing running games.
The dark lining to that silver cloud is that we basically heard the same news last year about Gabe Watson. He was supposed to be ready sometime during training camp and then he was supposed to be ready by opening day, but in the end a veteran journey man ended up starting 19 games. Bryan Robinson (6'4, 304) performed admirably last season as he played out of position and over his head for entire season, but the Cardinals are hoping that he can return to his backup role at both nose tackle and defensive end. He's no spring chicken (35 years old) and the Cardinals would most likely have to stick with some kind of hybrid front if Robinson is in the full time starting lineup. Somewhere behind Watson and Robinson bust-in-the-making Alan Branch. It almost seems like a decade ago that the Cardinals traded a fourth round pick in order to move up five spots in the second round to select Branch. In reality though that move in the 2007 draft has resulted in just 15 tackles in 15 games over the course of two seasons. He's been criticized for showing up to training camp and OTA's over weight and out of shape, as well as displaying a general lack of motivation. There are times when Branch still displays the ability to shoot gaps and withstand double teams without giving ground but those flashes are too often followed by long period of lackluster, uninspired football (hence the "flickering light bulb" analogy that Whisenhunt used last year).
Finally, from the "I have no idea what the expect" department is Rodney Leslie, a former fifth round pick of the Saints in 2004. He played in 17 games over his first three seasons before being cut in the training camp of 2007. He resurfaced with the Giants during their training camp last year but a rib injury ended his season before it even got started. He spent some time in Canadian football with the Saskatchewan Roughriders during their 2008 season. He's reportedly an undersized defender who makes up for athletic shortcomings by playing with tremendous desire and agression. The short of it though, is that he hasn't played a down in a NFL regular season game since 2006 so it seems almost foolish to expect him to anything other than training camp fodder, although there is a throng of Cardinals' fans who hope he pushes Branch out the door.
Overall I expect the production of this group to hinge entirely on the health of Gabe Watson. If he's healthy, he should be a force on first and second down with Robinson coming in on passing downs. Both guys should stay reasonably fresh the middle of the Cardinals defense should be tough to run against, but this position takes a major hit if Watson is sidelined for any or all of the regular season. I tend to think a best case scenerio would grade out as a B and the worst case scenerio would fall somewhere in the D range. With that in mind, I'll take the easy way out and say C.
St. Louis Rams
Blogger: VanRam
The Rams are doing things a little different at DT this season, with Steve Spagnuolo at the helm. Rather than the traditional roles of NT and UT in the 4-3 defense, Spags and defensive coordinator Ken Flajole will use a left and right DT, making things thoroughly confusing for those of you keeping score at home, but hopefully allowing the DTs to better utilize their strengths.
The middle of the line will feature a heavy rotation of four true DTs and the occasional look with two DEs replacing them in some pass rush situations. The ostensible starters at DT for the Rams are Adam Carriker and Clifton Ryan. Carriker, a first round pick in 2007, has been a disappointment in the eyes of some and merely under performing according to others. His second season in the league was marred in part by a shoulder injury suffered at the end of his rookie year. Carriker has been miscast in St. Louis, lined up directly over opposing guards or between the guard and center, sometimes being employed even as a NT. Carriker, a former Nebraska DE, is a 3-technique tackle, and the new defensive scheme will keep in in place between the guard and tackle where he'll be expected to use his ability to attack through the line. The Rams, and their fans, are anxious to start getting a better return on Carriker.
Drafted in the 5th round of 2007, Ryan became a pleasant surprise in his rookie season. Though he's not really a prototype NT (just doesn't have the bulk), that's where the Rams, starved for bodies in that role in the past, have employed him. That won't be the case anymore, as Ryan becomes the starting right defensive tackle. Ryan is strong and quick. He can play well laterally, and should get help in the run stopping department with upgrades at MLB and SS, but should do well in the new defense with it's emphasis on forward movement.
Third on the depth chart is Darell Scott, a fourth round pick from Clemson who comes to the team with nice athletic ability...and in need of getting "coached up." He can play inside or outside, but the Rams reportedly want him to add another 10-15 lbs to his frame in order to utilize his ability to clog up running lanes and tie up blockers, making him something more akin to the true NT the team has lacked for a long time.
Behind Scott, the picture isn't quite as a clear, though the odds on favorite to get the fourth DT spot is Orien Harris, acquired from the Bengals in a trade for FB/RB Brian Leonard. Harris is kind of like a poor man's Clifton Ryan. Harris will have some competition at camp.
The Rams have upgraded their group of DTs to handle the run better, and if Adam Carriker plays closer to expectation this could be a good group. I'm optimistic given the addition of Scott and the changing role for Carriker, but it's just too hard to give them anything but a D grade right now. I suspect that will change early in the season though.
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Awesome division for DTs, eh?
He’s 330 and chiseled,
I thought Colin Cole was a fat blob with a 20% body fat percentage.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"I thought Colin Cole was a fat blob with a 20% body fat percentage"
Hey Fooch tell him what he wins!!
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by rlott#42 on Jul 10, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our best hope
is to get an average performance out of Franklin. We got that last year, so I won’t complain. But I think that Franklin is the only thing that is stopping us from becoming a shut down run defense. If he plays his best as a one gap nose tackle then I agree with the coaching staff to make that his assignment (always best to play to a player’s strength), but to make the rest of the d line and the linebackers the best that they can be, we need a stout 2 gap nose tackle. I’m hoping Balmer can win the de position and Sopoaga and Franklin rotate as nt because both are better backup players than they are starting caliber players.
by ninersnerd on Jul 10, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Franklin had an above average year at NT.
Smith is on one side and the other is vacant (pretty much handled by one lineman, hence Manny Lawson or any other OLB struggling. Penetration and Disruption is what is, two gap and one gap can be used if the remaining defense is adjusted to the style of play. Franklin did ok, you’re not gonna find a great NT with high numbers. (penetration and disruption)
but to make the rest of the d line and the linebackers the best that they can be, we need a stout 2 gap nose tackle.
Obviously P will and Spikes still did their thing in the later part of the season. It’s our second DE that makes the D struggle, all three down lineman need to be disruptive, and high on penetration.
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by rlott#42 on Jul 10, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
I doubt he plays any DT. Who would play DE? I’d imagine it would be Balmer, Franklin and Soap, with Smith at DE. I guess if they are giving Franklin a breather I think you are more likely to see Balmer at DT with Evans at DE than you would Smith at DT.
As for 330 lbs and chiseled. That in and of itself is an oxymoron. Like tall but short, fat but skinny. Name ONE person that is chiseled at 330 freaking pounds. Get a clue Morgan.
by hudd07 on Jul 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DT
When they go to 4 down linemen you might see Smith move inside. They might want to use Haralson outside as a DE on some occasions to get a little more speed, with a little less side. Just one of many options.
by Fooch on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
Do you think Smith has enough size for DT? Even if Haralson is used as DE I think it’s opposite side of Smith. I’m confused though as to the alignment so maybe you can help me with that? Is Haralson stongside or weakside OLB? I’m guessing Haralson is on same side as Smith but adjusts based on where the TE is because ManLaw always has TE coverage right?
I just don’t think Haralson on one side, with Smith next to him is effective. Imagine Soap and Balmer on the other side. Talk about an imbalanced line.
by hudd07 on Jul 10, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
The Haralson example probably isn’t the best way to illustrate it. Smith has lined up as a defensive tackle for the team before. Conceivably if you were in a pass rush situation you roll out a defensive line of McDonald and Sopoaga or Balmer at the ends and Smith and Franklin inside (or Sopoaga/Balmer instead of Franklin inside). Haralson lines up over top of Smith, but not sure how that plays out as an SOLB/WOLB.
And I believe you’re correct on Lawson covering the tight end.
by Fooch on Jul 10, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Smith was a good pass rushing DE in Cincy, he just played with a bunch of bums.
I’d go Smith, Balmer (maybe Jean Francois), Franklin, and Lawson in a four down situation. JMO
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by rlott#42 on Jul 10, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Evans at DT and maybe Nose
I’d grade D on the DL
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by rlott#42 on Jul 10, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
That’s below average.
I mean, if they all tank, then they can get a D grade, but there is some talent on the DL.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 10, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still think this is too optimistic.
Franklin himself would get a C+, maybe a B- grade.
The fact that we really don’t have anything at all behind him would warrant an F for depth. That doesn’t round out to a C.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
C is about right
Although I think you were a tad nice on Franklin. He played alright last year, but I think he’s really a stop gap solution. I’d prefer a strong 2 gap player at NT rather than a 1 gap. I’d like to see Balmer develop and take that spot, but I’m not sure how likely that is to happen, especially since the Niners seem to be trying to get him in at DE. Regardless, the Niners really need to actively seek to replace Franklin in my opinion. Every great 3-4 team that I can think of has a very good NT. Chargers with Williams, Pittsburgh with Hampton, Pats with Wilfork. Franklin does not kill the Niners as a starter, but he definitely does not help the defense to play to its full potential.
by Calcio365 on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Balmer
I would much rather see him become the starter at DE (3-4)….he’s got the size of a 3-4 DE not a NT
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 10, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sopoaga
had an excellent season last year for the Niners with 41 tackles and a sack. If you go back and watch some videos as I did, you’ll see that because of his pressure from his LDE position, several of the sacks that Haralson picked up were actually caused by Soap’s pressure. He is still listed as the starting LDE with Franklin and Smith. He’ll also be the #2 DT and with only 1-gap responsibility in this defense, his size and speed will make him very tough. He’s the strongest man on the team and the fastest off the ball on the DL.
Too often fans and writers are ready to write a defensive lineman off just as he is about to come into his prime. Soap didn’t play his first season due to back surgery and barely played the next due to Nolan. The guy is just coming into his prime at 28 and could really be a stud on the DL, Be patient.
Singletary remembers very well how the 1984 49er defense rotated nine defensive linemen and shut out his Bears 23-0 in the NFC Championship game. Mike likes to rotate them as well. He learned it from the best. Our defense this season will be a beautiful thing to watch.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of the Niners
I hope you’re right.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 10, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judge of Nose/Defensive Tackles?
I have to ask the bloggers who would rate as an outstanding and above average at this position?
I think the judgment across the board was entirely too harsh. Have you ever been in an offensive line meeting when they are game planning? The first point of attack for the offensive line is the big(s) in the middle. Absolutely the 1st point of attack, than they single out the other defender they are going to isolate to break the play. The offense uses misdirection, angle blocking, dirty play and they still have a numbers advantage. To expect any interior defensive lineman to a have semi consistent level of success is nuts. No one is king kong in the middle and you would be surprised how many highly praised defensive tackles are saved by the LB’s filling the gaps they just left open on most plays.
by bignerd on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
King Kong???
Bryant Young, Michael Carter ?
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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