2009 49ers Bold Statements
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 11, 2009 9:45 AM PDT
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PrintWith the 2009 season fast approaching, we are beginning to see more and more FanPosts, FanShots, and Front-Page editorials of people making statements and/or predictions about the upcoming season. As I've said many times, my favorite part about SB nation is that it is not a place where one or two people write a blog, but hundreds/thousands of people can write about whatever they want. It is truely the best open-sports-forum you can find on the internet. As a front-page writer, I don't see myself as a Niners expert, but rather a Niners-discussion facilitator; I only hope to spark novel and interesting discussions concerning the team, and hopefully get visitors to this site to think about the Niners in a way they haven't before.
So with that, I present the 2009 Season Bold Statements. What I ask of you Nation is to post a Bold Statement about the upcoming season in the comments. What do I mean by bold? Well, a statement that is absolute, not wishy-washy, and backed up with some kind of solid reasoning. I'm not looking for something crazy, such as,
Frank Gore will have 16 100-yard rushing games this season.
While I would love that, Frank Gore only had 3 games where he broke the 100-yard rushing mark last season. So bold, yes, but unreasonable. I prefer something within the realm of reality. For example:
Mike Singletary will be a leading candidate for Coach of the Year.
This is a bit more reasonable. While bold, and VERY optimistic, it's not out of the question, since as recently as last year we have seen a rookie coach win Coach of the Year honors (Mike Smith of the Atlanta Falcons).
So Nation, give me a Bold Statement about the 2009 season, good or bad, that can be backed up with some kind of reasonable explanation. And I STRONGLY encourage people to agree with/refute people's statements (I'm looking at you methodrampage). Have at it!
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Alex Smith will emerge as the Niner's starting QB....
and win Comeback Player of the Year. Come on, if there ever was a good candidate for this award you’re looking at him.
by Samurai on Jul 11, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
sorry, but
a good candidate for that award has to be good at football.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
i thought we all agreed on no more smith jokes
nd you dont kno if he is determined for a comeback which i would love to see this kid do.
so with nolan not raining on his career, and singletary being his sunshine, he will win the spot and be the alex smith we wanted since we picked him.
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
by big beaner on Jul 12, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm talking about
If you are a true fan and really want this team to succeed then you should be rooting for Alex Smith to resuscitate his career. He hasn’t really done much with it thus far and not all of that is his fault. Given a chance to prove his worth and with the right amount of determination, anything is possible. The QB position is vital to any team that is able to achieve a measurable level of success. Let’s hope that won’t continue to impede the progress that we’ve seen slowly start to mount for the Niners.
Say a fan...
Who has been a fan of this team fo 30 years, doesn’t feel all gung ho about Smith. Is that person not a true fan?
Smith has to prove to this fan for 30 years that he is worth a damn, just like every other QB in the League has to prove the same.
Demanding excellence from your team is being a true fan, and accepting mediocrity isn’t.
Well, we're waiting....
Hallelujah
Demanding excellence from your team is being a true fan, and accepting mediocrity isn’t.
Praise be to the wise.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 13, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course he has to prove it
I think that is the job of every player who makes this roster. Some are obviously no brainers but a lot of them, especially with this current squad, have something to prove. Smith is not alone in that boat but he consistently gets bagged on the most. Sure it probably has something to do with #1 pick hype but how many of those pan out to be one of the great players in the league?
I’m just not down with spewing negativity about a player only until he plays at the highest level. Even then he probably wouldn’t be given enough credit due to past history. I do expect excellency from this team (at some point) but also know that to get there every player needs to do his job well. Being the best is not required but Smith has had to battle those expectations his whole career. If he and the other players surrounding him on the field can rise to the occasion, so will the team rise in the standings.
Support your team, don’t break them down!
I guess you missed the part...
Where I posted that I have been a fan for over 30 years.
Well, we're waiting....
Nope
I did see that and I definitely wasn’t belittling your support of 30+ years. Fans like you are what make this team great. Debating the semantics of what makes a “true fan” true was not my goal because it is kind of pointless to me. We all have our reasons for liking the 49ers.
My original post was in reference to somebody who simply dismissed Smith as not a good football player. The second post was just to continue the thread about not going all negative, truthfully cause I’m tired of it. I think we can all agree that the time is ripe (not to mention overdue) to finally get a winning season out of these guys and continued excellence from there. I hope Smith gets to play a part in that but I’ll support whoever lines up behind center. I think Smith has the bigger upside than Hill and could take us to greater heights but yes, he still has to prove it on the field. I for one will be rooting for, not against, him.
It's easier to be positive...
Once this team has a semblance of knowing what they are doing, and that includes Smith.
Well, we're waiting....
Re: Negativity
To be completely honest, why can there be no negativity. The Niners haven’t made the playoffs since the Giants handed us the wild-card game on a silver platter with a nice little bow on top. We have gone through two head coaches, countless OC’s, even more QB’s, and haven’t had a winning record since.
Negativity has been the trend as of late, and while there are reasons to be optomistic, pessimism has been the trend for several years now. I consider myself an eternal optomist, but that has only lasted as long as I don’t watch the team actually play football.
In the original post I noted:
So Nation, give me a Bold Statement about the 2009 season, good or bad, that can be backed up with some kind of reasonable explanation.
Meaning if your bold statement was “The Niners will finish 2-14 this season”, it was fine. This isn’t the “Let’s all think about what amazing could happen this year” post, it’s simply the Bold Statement post, so if you have something negative to say, say it. Let the Nation decide if it is credible or not.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 13, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
as another fan for over 30 years. I second that...
A TRUE fan does expect the best from their team..Let me break it down.. Fan is short for FANATIC…
I am not convinced the A. Smith is the best guy for the job. I am not going to rehash the last 3 years here.. I just want the best QB we have to be on the field at any given time..
So please don’t be dissing us who only want is best for the team and no as concerned about any one individual.. If Smith makes it through camp and preseason and emerges as starter QB. then so be it, I don’t care as long as he proves on the field with wins that he is the man the let it fly.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been fortunate..
To have grown up a fan of 2 teams that won multiple championships, being the 49ers and Lakers. Oddly enough, I only have an old 49ers jacket in my wardrobe. I haven’t even bought a Championship Laker cap yet. The Lakers have had down years (with a HOF player turned Coach), but Jerry Buss always delivers sooner or later. It’s in his coke/alcohol soaked blood. He gets Shaq, West grabs Kobe, and Buss nabs Phil Jackson. That blows up, West leaves, Jackson leaves, Shaq leaves, Kobe wants out. Jeanie brings Jackson back, fans want Kupchak fired, the BOOM, Pau Gasol. That’s how it’s done.
I mean, come on. We used to be divided over Joe vs. Steve. You think I’m gonna go gaga over Smith?
Well, we're waiting....
I mean, come on. We used to be divided over Joe vs. Steve. You think I’m gonna go gaga over Smith?
well put.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Oddly enough...
I have also been a fanatic of both the 49ers and Lakers nearly my whole life, although I’ve only been breathing for 30 years so you got some seniority on me. I have continued to furiously support both teams through thick and thin. Yes, the down years do suck. Some years are so hard to endure that I tend to not anticipate game day with the same type of fervor as when the teams are more successful. The part that I love about the situation that the Niners are in now and the Lakers were just a few years ago is that the return to glory feels so much more exhilarating. That sensation is why I love sports in general and tend to shirk away from the negative tendencies that come along with losing campaigns. Losing sucks but winning is SWEET!
Hopefully this doesn’t put anyone else off cause that would be the opposite of what I’m trying to convey. I do get that a lot of people dislike Alex Smith and while I’m not his biggest fan, I will cheer just as loud for him when/if he plays as any other player on this roster. Individuals don’t win championships…Kobe learned something about that this year.
hopefull..
I have to admit that I am rooting for A.Smith..I know there are not many of us, but I wouldn’t be surprised, he knows if he’s going to make anything happen it has to be this year.
by Living49rLegend on Jul 11, 2009 8:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That would be great!
I don’t understand 49ers fans rooting against Alex Smith. Let’s agree that either of the Mannings would have looked awful with Nolan leading, a leaky line protecting, and the wide receivers available before last year. Let’s start over with he either is or is not a potential solid starter in the league and give him a chance to show it while he is finally healthy. In the meantime, I am old enough to remember Vince Lombardi and the Packers of 1956, the worst team in the league until they got a new coach who motivated a team of no-names who became an unbeatable dynasty. Let’s think positive thoughts for the preseason.
by seafood lover on Jul 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this camp and preseason
will do just that.. Coach Sing has said that it is still on open completion. Many of us forty niner fans have been totally disappointed by the niners offense for some time and A Smith in particular. Having a “leaky” line as you put it is certainly a major contributor however Smith has yet to prove that he has the poise and smarts to hit targets even when pressure has been minimal. Plugging the "leaks" Having a running game that can produce first downs in short yardage situations and score TD in the red zone will take some of the pressure off the QB and receivers
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 12, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
This post is money
Mike Nolan is perhaps one of the worst coaches we’ve ever seen, Jim Hostler was one of the worst coordinators we’ve ever seen, and Jonas Jennings and Larry Allen in 2007 were perhaps one of the worst Tackle/Guard tandems we’ve ever seen.
Shaun Hill benefited from having Snyder/Wragge guarding his blindside, and Ted Tollner helping Jim Hostler make adjustments in-game, and Smith did not play a regular-season game under Martz. He lost his starting job due to injury, not ineffectiveness, and for that alone deserves a chance at the very least.
By all accounts thus far, he’s making the most of this chance.
bold statement
- would certainly be bold. Going from Football Outsiders (49ers ranked 18th), I’d say top 10 would be bold enough for me.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
league
Definitely league. Unless I specify, I usually just refer to defensive/offensive rankings as compared to the entire league.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
my bad
Misread it and just thought league as a whole.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
im pushing top 5 in league
probrally 1st in league with fewest allowed points and rushing yardage
skeptical about the pass coverage
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Parys Haralson will be a Pro-Bowl linebacker
And lead the Niners in sacks with 15
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 11, 2009 10:54 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
15 coverage sacks would require a solid secondary.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 11, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, shlecko knows what's up.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
sacks
They don’t all have to coverage sacks.
by David Fucillo on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he's making a point about how most of Haralson's sacks last year seemed to be coverage sacks.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
we have a winner!
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
if you'd done the research
(and read my sack tracker post), you would’ve seen that only about half of Haralson’s sacks were coverage sacks last year. Heaven knows that even the best sack men (like Haley) did it with quality help in the secondary.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Who says all he's gonna get are coverage sacks?
And I think we do have a solid secondary, if not improving. Haralson should have more freedom on blitzes which was stifled last year by Nolan and co.
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 13, 2009 10:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"if not improving"
What? By all indications, this season’s secondary could be worse than last season’s. Nate Clements has been declining every season, Walt Harris, despite being a cryogenic dead thing, was still somewhat effective manning the opposite side. Mark Roman is horrendous, and Michael Lewis is just a decent starter.
Now they have a terrible Dre Bly and an unproven young guy competing for #2 CB, Clements might not ever bounce back and become the promising CB in his prime that the 49ers signed to a record deal, and there’s not much to suggest the pass-rush is somehow going to get significantly better overnight.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This season's D-Backs could also be better
Goldson man’s the FS position, as for Lewis at SS he’d no troy P but he is a fit as to what a SS is in the 3-4 scheme. Bly won’t have Bailey on the other side so he’ll have a better season. He is a step faster than Harris and look for him to lead th eteam in INT’s. No the pass-rush won’t change over night, but it’s hard to implement a new stragedy on defens in the middle of a season as opposed to after offseason.
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
?
He is a step faster than Harris and look for him to lead th eteam in INT’s
I’d rather have Clemments lead the team in INTs
by SportsChicken on Jul 14, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
More Balance Offense
If Raye and Sing say what they’re saying, then you’ll see an avg. of 30 rushes and 30 to 35 passes per Game. We’ll see 15 TDs running and 30 Pass TDs. Add 2 FGs per game and we’ll have scored about 450 PTs for the season. Major improvement from last year.
I fail to mention
The 2 INT.and the 2 kick/punt returns for TDs!
by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
That's basically the formula for a top-5 NFL offense.
What you’re talking about would be more than a “major improvement from last year” – it would be a miracle. We’d go from being one of the worst offenses in the NFL to one of the best of the last few years.
Here are your predictions held up against the 2008 league leaders:
65 plays per game – That would place us at 6th in the NFL (2008 leader: NE – 68.7 plays per game)
45 overall touchdowns – That would put us at 7th in the NFL (2008 leader: NO – 57 touchdowns)
450 points – We’d be #2 overall in the NFL (2008 leader: NO – 463 points)
And we’re supposed to be keeping it real.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It called a Bold Statement
So why not? I would rather shoot for that than #18 or 27th !
by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 11, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
More info
It’s not that far from reality and here is why. Niners threw for 21 TDs and rush for 10 last year. With a reduction in sacks and int. (55 sacks and 19 ints. ) by half can result in more points. So an increase of 9 tds and 5 more rushing isn’t to far off. Remember, we don’t have Martz and JTO any longer, that in it self should produce more scores.
by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 11, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Martz, for all his seemingly bonehead qualities...
is highly respected around the league, and is still highly regarded as an offensive genius. We may not have had the personnel to run his system properly, but that doesn’t mean that any old bum off the street (read: Jimmy Raye) can come in and do a better job.
We’ve pointed out the flaws in the “we’ll do better simply because we don’t have Martz or JTO anymore” arguments before, but I’ll remind you of the basics: The guy replacing Martz is not an upgrade – and it can easily be argued that he is a downgrade. While we’ve cut ties with JTO, we haven’t actually brought in anyone new – we’ve still got the same two guys that couldn’t beat him out in camp just a year ago. Replacing JTO with Huard/Davis doesn’t count as an upgrade – we’re still stuck with an injury-riddled Smith and a noodly-armed Hill to duke it out for the starter spot.
We may cut down on turnovers and sacks, but we’ll also cut down on big plays…and perhaps even points. What if Raye turns out to be another Jim Hostler? Are 3-and-outs really that much better?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
3 and out is what all we saw
We missed way to many opportunitys to score in the redzone or lost drives due to sacks, fumbles and Int.. There should be more consistent and longer drive this year which will result in more scores. Martz wasn’t a good fit with the personal we had. With the Offense the Niners are planning , I see them doing better this year .And who knows, maybe Raye can make chicken salad.
by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 12, 2009 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I
Believe 3 and outs are a lot better than turning the ball over on our end of the field like JTO did. We have one of the best punters in the league in Andy Lee. He gives our defense usually great field position. So i’d say 3 and outs are definitely an upgrade.
while better than turnovers, constant 3 and outs kills our defense. we need to be able to sustain a drive long enough to give our defense some rest and hopefully get at least a field goal try
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 13, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute Schleko
Not only is martz touted as a great Offensive genius he also said to be stubborn as a mule. JTO had the job in SF handed to him because Martz decides on a guy and sticks with him and no matter how horrible he looks he’ll stick with him. Nolan (coach push over) didn’t have the nads to tell martz we don’t have WR’s for this circus crap football that he plays. Running the ball more will decrease turnovers and also will give the defense a better shot at holding opponents scores lower, yeah they’re playing football. Furthermore when you have more talent at the TE than at any WR on the field he should decrease in numbers from what is to be called a bad OC. If Martz was so great V Davis would have had a better season than the previous one.
As far as knocking Jimmy Raye, he’s pretty much been a scapegoat OC in which a teams is horrible and they need a guy to get them to th enext season he gets the job. And being around since the leather helmets worked for Madden so why wouldn’t it for Raye. Look closely at Gonzalez numbers with Raye and when he left, he did have an impact on Gonzalez numbers. Gore and our WR’s will be more talent than he has ever had on any team he was the OC for. So yeah I would agree the numbers will improve simply by changing the stragedy
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
i concur (that how u spell it)
by Living49rLegend on Jul 11, 2009 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pro Bowlers/Top 5 D
49ers will have a Top 5 D @ some point this season…………Lawson, Haralson, Smith, Willis, Gore & Davis Vist the pro bowl this year!!!!!
by iwillnotlose97 on Jul 11, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
That would be awesome but...
Maybe a little to bold. I’ll take Willis + any 2 players on the team. And no punter, because that would mean we sucked this year.
Seahawks fans will hate the Niners more then Niner fans hating the Seahawks!
The Hawks will be good and make a strong push to the playoff and the West Title. But, will fall short because they got swept by your Niners.
INTS
Nate Clements will pick off 11 passes earn a spot in the pro bowl and start to earn his contract.
a little too bold?
Just to throw this out there: Only 27 players in the history of the NFL have had 11 interceptions. The last time somebody had 11 interceptions? Everson Walls in 1981.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
not take any steam away but
even with those 11 int’s look what happend in the Championship game…“’’ Some pictures need no words….”
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Only 27 players ever to do it........
Yes, but it seems like every year someone gets ten. With the exception of last year, and Ed Reed got 9.
2007 Cromartie got 10
2006 Champ Baily and Asante Samuel both got ten
2005 Ty Law and Deltha O’Neal both got ten
So even though the magical eleven may be the NFL’s unicorn, it is still a very possible number to hit. I also don’t think it is out of the question to think that our $80 million man be held to these kind of standards. The was I see it, most interceptions come from QB pressure at this level, and QB pressure has been something that we lack. If we get that taken care of we will see the Interceptions go up.
prof bigelow
will never have an original thought and steal all his writing matierial from nfl.com, the official niners page, and other sb nation blogs….such as the eagles??hmm
by 2ninersonecup on Jul 11, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
discussion
We’re just looking for ideas to generate discussion in the offseason. Heck, the all-time team stuff was done over at our NY Giants blog first.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Bold prediction
The Niners will 11-5 this year winning the west outright and make the playoffs. I am not so bold as say what will happen in the playoffs this year but we could shock the league…. Stay tuned…
D. Goldston
DG will have over 5 picks this yr
Niners will be this year's Miami
A team that performed poorly (albeit in our case a heck of a letter better than the 07 Fins), and was written off by experts, only to shock everyone. They did it with the Wildcat; Niners to do it with a formidable HC, the best ILB in the league, a 1,000 yard RB, the new Michael Irvin at wide-out, and a QB in Smith that returns to prove to everyone why our astute GM selected him as a No 1 pick. So excited about 2009, play-offs beckon. Go Mike, go P-Willy, go Crabtree, go Gore with Norris blocking for him, go VD for a break-out year, go Bruce showing the young receivers how to get things done, go Takeo showing Scott McKillop how to be Ted back to support Willis for years to come, go Staley, go Marvel Smith showing Alex Boone how to be the right tackle of the future, go Bear Pascoe starting to come through, go Jimmy Raye turning Davis into the new Gonzalez, go Nate Clements and Dre Bly picking off passes, go Manny and Parys sacking QB’s, go Niners. 2009.
you accidentally said "Crabtree"
instead of “Josh Morgan”.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Jul 11, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bold statements
Both 7th round draft picks and 2 of the undrafted free agents will make the 53 man roster. The most important of these undrafted FA signings will make Michael Spurlock and Barry Sims unemployed former 49ers.
7th rounders and UFA's making the regular season roster is usually a bad thing, isn't it?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It is.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
not necessarily
its not always a bad thing. sometimes 7th rounders pan out (Marques Colston), and sometimes undrafted free agents work out (Jason Peters).
Yes, rare examples, but the fact that it happened means its not always a bad thing to give 7th rounders and UDFAs a chance. Alex Boone is a pontetial steal, and not a bad chance to take for a team that doesn’t have a long term answer at RT. Kory Sheets could be a difference in the return game, or as a shifty third down back.
Ricky Jean-Francois was a 7th round pick because of his incosistent motor. He can flat out disappear sometimes.
However, having a handful of UDFAs and 7th rounders make it over vets, means your team wasn’t very good in the first place. So, I suppose, that it is a bad thing, but can turn into a good thing. But for the most part, yep, a bad thing.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Your examples don't prove UDFAs/late round picks making the team aren't a good thing.
For one, Colston was a fluke in hell to become productive. He still might be. He made the team because the Saints were unsettled at WR, and his production might be because he’s a product of Drew Brees. Jason Peters became a great addition when you consider he wasn’t drafted, but he’s still a pretty bad tackle.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you didn't read this part frog
So, I suppose, that it is a bad thing, but can turn into a good thing. But for the most part, yep, a bad thing.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I read that.
I’m just saying that even your exceptions to the rule really aren’t exceptions to the rule.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
um sure they are
So is a guy like Cortland Finnegan, another 7th rounder.
and Ryan Grant, another undrafted free agent.
the point was not to prove that having 7th rounders and UDFA aren’t a bad indication, it was to point out that good things can result from having to rely on a bit of luck in the late rounds and UDFA pool.
because I did also say this:
However, having a handful of UDFAs and 7th rounders make it over vets, means your team wasn’t very good in the first place.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
6th round
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 13, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
This fun
Derrick Ward – 7th Rounder
Willie Parker – UDFA
I’m just going to assume that a handful of the Niners UDFA’s turn into pro bowlers. Sheets is the next Willie Parker and Boone is the next Jason Peters/Donald Penn. JACKPOT!
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
No one is assuming
the niners are going to end up with the gem 7th rounders or UDFA, and Ì have already agreed that having a lot of 7th rounders and UDFAs is a bad thing.
I`m just saying, sometimes, sometimes, a bad thing ends up being good.
There never was an assumption on my par that the guys the Niners have will end up having any signficance. However, there is the rare occassion that a team finds a steal in round 7 or as an UDFA. That was stricly the point, not that the 49ers UDFAs and 7th rounders would be pro bowlers. Glad you interpreted it that way though.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't I just wish?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
also
Jason Peters being a pretty bad tackle still resulted in the Bills getting a first round pick for him in the trade with the Eagles. Turning no draft pick (UDFA) into a first rounder is pretty damn good, especially if Peters is a “pretty bad tackle”.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd chalk that more to the Eagles FO being idiotic.
Yes, the Bills benefited from Peters. But the point is that winning teams generally do not have a lot of late round picks or UDFAs on the roster, unless they are proven free agents.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Just picking at points here...
but as a Saints fan who has watched Colston in depth, I can tell you that he really is that good.
Brees helps, obviously, but the kid is damn talented.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Don't get me wrong, Colston is great.
But there were a very fortunate series of events that led him to become a starting WR. It’s possible if the Saints didn’t get rid of Stallworth, Colston is buried on the depth chart and never sees the light of day. It’s just a fact, veterans always get first priority over late draft picks, even if they are crappy starters. This is why I despise the fact that the Seahawks seem destined to field Brian Russell next season, because the only potential replacement is 7th round pick Courtney Greene, who very well could be a better player already but won’t see any playing time.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
6'-4 with a great pair of hands
I doubt he would have been lost on the bench he’s a nasty redzone option. Payton is just smart enough to understand how important a big target is to an accurate QB. If colston wen tot USC hed be drafted in the first
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
So you watch football games outside of Seattle and SF?
Colston is more than just a byproduct of Drew Brees. And Peters isn’t a pretty bad tackle. He’s one of the premier tackles in football. His coaches have heralded him as
the most devastating blocker and pass-protector I’ve ever coached
and
the best left tackle in football
I guess it’s possible you know more than Jim McNally and Andy Reid but I find it highly unlikely.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Link?
Not because I don’t trust you, but I would like to read what they had to say.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 13, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
gangsters don't link
they boogie.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hyperbole.
Jason Peters is dreadful, think of him as Joe Staley without any upside. He’s almost non-existent in the run game, and is a very inconsistent pass-blocker with bad technique. He also collects penalties like candy.
And don’t forget, he gave up nearly 11 sacks last season and countless pressures. Buffalo’s blindside was not stable with Jason Peters manning left tackle.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still taking Reid's and McNally's word over yours
Care to explain why a 27 year old LT has no upside when he’s only been playing OT for a couple years now? You do realize he was a TE in college, right? Is it not possible he still growing/learning at the position?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Now you're dissing Staley?
You’re probably not the greatest football mind out there. I could be worng but what is wrong with Staley??
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
Donald Penn
Another UDFA, I think, who’s turned into a legit LT.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
If you want to believe that McCloughan knows what he is doing (and I for one want to believe this) and that we acquired highly talented but troubled souls in Round 7 and as UFAs (an acceptable risk thanks to having a coach who thinks he can get the most out of everybody), then it is not a bad thing but a good one when these picks are validated and become keepers. If we have a future corner back, defensive end, offensive tackle, and punt returner in this mix (or any two of the four), and if they can provide depth and special teams play this year while they learn the NFL game, and facilitate removal of expensive veteran deadwood like Sims, we all win (and that is how the perennial winners do it, not by signing overpriced and over the hill free agents).
by seafood lover on Jul 12, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
you didn't read this part frog
So, I suppose, that it is a bad thing, but can turn into a good thing. But for the most part, yep, a bad thing.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry wrong reply
seafood lover, I mean to reply this to Fearless Frog.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi Dre
Thanks for the clarification. Peace to you brother.
There is a fundamental error in this entire discussion here—-the myth that the Mel Kypers (or other experts, including a lot of GMs) know who to draft and who not to. In my opinion it is pretty much a crap shoot after the second or third round and there is still talent in the 7th round and the UDFAs. Generally the bigger and faster guys get drafted (and maybe shouldn’t) but some of the hungrier or more instinctive ones get passed over (and maybe shouldn’t). With a salary cap, those UDFAs that can play at this level are the bargains that let you put the best possible 53 guys out there.
by seafood lover on Jul 12, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So will he make this statement
by trying to take Eric Heitmanns spot a center???
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Do negative statements count as bold too?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Seahawks will be the worst team in the West
Bold
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
that's not bold
that’s just ridiculous. the rams play in the nfc west.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Jul 11, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why it is bold
Plus I’m giving Fearless Frog a hard time
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
What's so bold about calling them the 2nd worst team in the NFC West?
They did that last year.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
YES!
That would be awesome… let us hope it does happen. Last night I actually had a dream of the 49ers winning the NFC Championship game.
What Bold happening
would prevent the NFL from playin the remaining 12 games?
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
a strike, more than likely
with the impending uncapped season next year.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
I knew that the contract was going to be up
but I had thought that was next year.. I this season gets f—-ked I am really going to be pissed. This last year has really been screwed in so many ways and I am so pumped and ready for good things this season…
Well Let’s hope for the best… Shit I hope we don’t have to deal with the REPLACEMENTS this time around.. Not sure if you were around then but it really SUCKED…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes little sense
Rattay maybe, but JTO currently has a job with the Bengals.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather fall on my sword
than watch JTO in a niner uniform again….
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah "....In the end there can only be ONE..."
Just a figure of speach to emphasize my displeasure for the performance JTO had for us last year…
And in fact at the end of the NFL year including play offs and SB
“….In the end there can only be ONE…”
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
it is next year
i meant there could be a strike to try to force someone’s hand and get a new deal done before the uncapped season actually happens.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
New OC brings out best in Davis
Vernon Davis will finally show why he is worthy of a #6 pick. I consider this bold since he has never lived up to his hype, but plausible considering Ray’s fondness of TE’s.
Shaun Hill will be the starting quarterback for the entire year and his QB Rating will be at least 85.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I like that
but the weird thing is that it really is kind of bold unfortunately.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
the 49ers will have the 22nd pick in the 2010 draft
regardless of whether they earn it themselves or the panthers do.
according to the new draft order rules that take effect next year, the 22nd pick goes to the 3rd best team that loses in wildcard weekend. to have the 3rd best record out of those 4 teams you would likely have to go 10-6. i doubt 10 wins would take the nfc south, but it could easily win the nfc west. so either the niners will win the west and lose at home in their first playoff game, or the panthers will be an nfc wild card team and lose on the road. neither scenario would surprise me.
who knows, maybe both teams will go 10-6, the niners will win the west and be the nfc 4th seed, and the panthers will fall short of the division champion falcons to become the nfc 5th seed. then the panthers would play in san francisco on wildcard weekend.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
close to what?
are you saying i’m one pick off or something?
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
San Fran wins the west
We go 11-5, maybe 12-6, sweeping our division. Talking heads deride team as soft and weak, playing in the NFC west. Niners surprise everyone, marching through the playoffs and onto a sixth Lombardi Trophy.
That is pretty much my
.prediction for this year. I do believe the Niners are going to not only surprise a bunch of folks around this league but some will actually be SHOCTED
GO NINERS.!!!!!!!!!
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
2009 will be the beginning of a new dynasty for the Sing 49ers!
Maybe not bold enough so I’ll post it twice! (This time in bold letters!)
GO NINERS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Pattrick Willis defensive player of the year and Frank Gore MVP!
Now thats what we need!
May as well add
Pascoe or Crabtree as ROOKIE of the year.
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Corookies, I'll go with that.
But instead of Bear can we go with Boone?
Coud be
co-rookies and I am not particular who.. I just belive we had an exceptional draft this year… Not sure why just yet since we haven’t had camp or a pre-season game . Just feel it in my bones…
Maybe it’s cuse I am old fart… who knows…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
49ers 6-10 record, 3rd in the NFC West (my optimistic side says 7-9)
Offensive Rookie of the year: Matthew Stafford
Defensive Rookie of the year: Aaron Maybin
Raye will be fired or demoted sometime during the season
Singletary will be the middle of another rant
Offensive MVP: Adrian Peterson
Defensive MVP: Patrick Willis or Ed Reed(Not so bold..)
by supraman on Jul 11, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Re: Raye fired
I wouldn’t consider this so unlikely were it at least marginally possible that we had someone worthy of calling plays in a position to replace him. Unfortunately, we don’t…so if Raye fails, we’ll just have to suffer through the year.
Also, I was never high on Maybin going into the draft, but that was mostly because I didn’t see him being effective in a 3-4. Where was he drafted, again?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Neither did I
Maybin for now is only going to be used in passing situations but the Bills staff said that if Maybin proves he can defend the run(Which I’ve seen he can, at least at PSU) he’ll be the starter. In the 3-4 Maybin (hopefully) will be used as that 4th rusher most of the time. Even before the draft and now I believe Maybin’s best chance for success was in the 4-3, can’t really envision Maybin playing coverage too well in the NFL. Maybin’s is training with none other than Ray Lewis right now, (I maybe speaking without thinking) the face of the 3-4 defense. Lewis may play ILB but the guy has to know all the LB spots inside out in the 3-4. In my opinion the best tutor he could possibly have to learn how to play this new defense.
What was that line from the WHO
“…meet the new boss, same as the old boss, hope we don’t get fooled again……”. Geeesss. We sure as heck need a break.
Gotta keep beliving,, the alternative sucks…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Just watching the food channel
and they had a great new receipe for CROW.. Hope you have a taste for that delicacy, Boone appetite
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so high on Aaron Curry either, eh?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll live up to being the #4 overall pick
but I do think he’ll be more then a solid player. The truth is, I haven’t seen too much of him, relying on mostly scouting reports.
I feel the same way.
I keep envisioning the next AJ Hawk. Not a bad player, but seems like a criminal use of a top 5 draft pick.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the seahawks got him
He will be a beast. But since he wont be better than willis who was a 10th pick would he be a bust. He’ll be a punk because he’s a seahawk thought
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
"he wont be better than willis"
Gee, I don’t know, considering the fact that he was considered to be worthy of the #1 overall pick, I’d say he’s probably a better prospect than Willis was.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Better prospect than Willis was?
Who gives a rat’s ass what kind of prospect Willis was? You can have all the prospects that are “better” than Willis was? Willia is not a prospect anymore. He’s the real deal, he’s obviosly exceed his “prospect” expectations and he’s become one of the best LB in the game. Any prospect, no matter how highly touted, has a lot of work to do in order to accomplish what Willis already has. The fact that Willis was drafted 10th and that some people, although none that really mattered, thought Curry was worthy of the 1st pick has little to do with nothing.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Better prospect than Willis?
Yes.
Better player than Willis?
We shall see, I doubt it though.
by SportsChicken on Jul 14, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
No
That is not proper use of site decorum.
by David Fucillo on Jul 15, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
[Site Decorum] is not a stand in for an asterisk, it is the stand in for the whole curse word itself. So in this instance, it should be…
yeah (site decorum)ing right.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No way.
The same thing that happened to Alex Smith his first season will happen to Matthew Stafford in his. He has no offensive line, no running game, and a pitiful defense. He will SUCK.
There’s no way Raye will be fired, either. That prediction calls for colossal failure across the board.
Oh, boy.
1.) Detroit’s offensive line is young, improving, and not as bad as Smith’s in his first season.
2.) Kevin Smith, 900+ yards without even starting more than 10 or 11 games if I recall correctly.
3.) Daunte Culpepper will probably start until the Lions work the kinks out.
4.) Stafford is an astronomically better QB prospect than Smith was. Anyone with half a brain could see Smith becoming a bust a mile away.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
eh
1. Detroit’s offensive line isn’t that bad, but it still sucks (not as bad as Alex’s)
2.Kevin Smith is intriguing but I wouldn’t declare him a champ just yet.
3. D. Culpepper probably won’t start more than 2 games….the Lions have too much money invested in Stafford (and are probably too dumb) to let him sit on the bench and learn.
4. That is true.
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
smith isn't a bust just yet
If he is, you have the second worst trade in history playing wideout for ya
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
Offensive line.. bad but improving
Running game..good has room to improve
Defense.. The D got a make over. Julian Peterson and Larry Foote new additions to play along side Ernie Sims in the 4-3. They acquired Grady Jackson (DT) and Philip Buchanon(CB), and they’re expecting Louis Delmas (not high on) to start this year in the secondary. All signs point to this D is going to be better then pitiful.
It’s pretty hard to do worse then Smith’s rookie year.
It'll be pretty hard to find another 21 year old starting at QB in the NFL again
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
My prediction came to me in a dream
My prediction glenn coffee will rush for a little over 800 yards, while gore will amass 1400. vernon davis will be a top 10 receiving tightend this year. last but not least, the 49ers will be in the mid 80’s as far as team ratings are concerned on madden nfl 10 by the end of the season.
Niners go 12-4 in regular season and make it to the Super Bowl.
Three Niner WRs have 600+ Yard Seasons and at least 3 Touchdowns
Gore breaks the 1200 Yard Mark this season
Alex Boone wins the starting RT spot
Micheal Spurlock beats out Allen Rossum for the starting kick returner spot
Niners top receivers are Morgan, Jones and Bruce
Alex Smith wins and holds onto the starting spot
Tarell Brown wins Walt Harris’ spot
Gore, Spurlock, Morgan, Jones, Boone, Staley, Haarolson, Tarell Brown, Willis, and Nedney go to the Pro Bowl
Niners sweep the Cards and the Seachickens (and the Rams of course)
Curtis Taylor, Scott McKillop, Bear Pascoe, Ricky Jean-Francois, Michael Crabtree, Alex Boone, and Glen Coffee all make the 53 man roster
Ahmad Brooks leapfrogs Manny Lawson and becomes a starting (and dominant) OLB
Mike Singletary wins coach of the year
A Niner rookie wins rookie of the year
Alex Smith wins comeback player of the year
Niners end Kurt Warner’s career with a constant barrage of monster sacks (personally I’d like to see Justin Smith or Jeff Ulbrich do it. Just seems so fitting.)
Niners secondary ends the season in the top ten in interceptions
Niners D ends the season in the top 5 in the NFL
Niners offense ends the season ranked number 8 in the entire NFL
Niners D ends the season for at least 8 opposing players
Spurlock runs 3 kicks back for touchdowns and ends the season as the number 1 kick returner in the NFL
Niners special teams end the season ranked in the top 5 in the NFL (hardly a bold prediction)
NINERS DOMINATE!!!
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
That isn't bold, just plain delusional
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 11, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really? Let’s analyze it. We’ll start with the top three:
1. Niners go 12-4 in regular season and make it to the Super Bowl.
A. Maybe this is a little high, but not altogether impossible. Quite a few people are predicting between 9-11 wins. I just look at the roster, I see all the talent and potential, and then I look at the standards Singletary is enforcing, I see the competition at every position, and I look at the leadership both of the coaches and the players. I think that finally the Niners will be up to par with all the other teams this year and have the ability to beat any team in the league. So yeah, this is a VERY bold prediction, but not necessarily delusional.
2. Three Niner WRs have 600+ Yard Seasons and at least 3 Touchdowns
A. Not hard to imagine this one. Bruce had around 800 yards last season, and I can’t see him losing 200 yards this season. Crabtree could step up and rack up some serious yardage. But I think the most likely trio here is Bruce, Morgan and Jones. I foresee break-out seasons for both Morgan and Jones this year. Jones had speed, very strong hands, fights for the ball, and seems to have some good route running ability(judging by the fact that he tore things up in minicamps and OTAs). Morgan showed some serious flashes of potential last year, and with all the people seeking to take his roster spot I think he makes the transition to the next level this year.
3. Gore breaks the 1200 Yard Mark this season
A. Can you really argue with this? He’s had three straight 1000 yard seasons already, and with Norris back to block for him and a good WR corps and TE corps to mix things up and keep the opposing Ds off balance this should be a no brainer.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and as far as the Super Bowl...
If the Cards can do it, why not us?
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
A lot of teams in the NFC have a dominant running back with 3 consecutive 1000 yard seasons (on bad team too)?
A lot of teams in the NFC have the top kick returner from 2008?
A lot of teams in the NFC have the one of (if not the) best punters in the entire NFL?
A lot of teams in the NFC have one of the best field goal kickers in the entire NFL?
A lot of teams in the NFC have a WR corps that’s as loaded with potential and competition as ours is (with the youngsters learning from a future hall of famer)?
A lot of teams in the NFC have one on the best corners behind Champ Bailey (Dre Bly)?
A lot of teams in the NFC have arguably the best inside LB in the entire NFL?
What the heck are you talking about drummer? We’ve got the pieces, all we need is the leadership, coaching, and execution. Leadership we have (in fact, we have the largest contingent of Pro Bowlers in our division), coaching we’ve got (Singletary, Rathman, Manusky, our QB coach, and one the more experienced offensive coordinators in the NFL), now all we need is execution and there is good reason to hope for success at that.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL...
That punter is gonna get a lot of work this season too. Dre Bly = Champ Bailey?
I don’t need to go any further, because you’re obviously on crack.
Well, we're waiting....
I didn’t say Dre Bly = Champ Bailey. I simply repeated what one of the Niner experts said (either at the Sac bee or the PressDemocrat), which is that Dre Bly was one of the best cornerbacks (and he has the second most interceptions behind Champ Bailey).
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
So the 49ers will win the Super Bowl..
With Gore, a punter, a kicker, unproven WR’s, Jimmy Raye, and Dre’ Bly, etc.
Here is a clue: even with all that, the NFCE is better that the 49ers.
Well, we're waiting....
We will never know until
WE ACUTALLY TEE THE SUCKER UP AND PLAY FRIGIN FOOTBALL..
All this damn quess work and opinion (including my own) is a load of BS isn’t woth squat..
I AM A SPOID BRAT AND WANT TO SEE SOME FRIGGING FOOTBALL…..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 11, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
I only said we were going to make it to the Super Bowl. Besides, let’s face it, the Cards got to the Super Bowl with an aging QB, a couple great WRs, and not much else (that the Niners don’t have).
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean..
The 49ers will. That really doesn’t mean anything.
Here is another clue: Fooch asked for Bold Statements. Not Bold and Asnine, like you have been providing.
Well, we're waiting....
No it doesn’t. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Hehe, try telling Samurai Sing that it is “Bold and Asnine” to say that the Niners will make it to the Super Bowl. Just make sure I’m there to watch! :)
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah.
A parent doesn’t tell their kid that they aren’t going to be an astronaut.
Even if they know they won’t be.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah well, I just want to see what Singletary will do if a fan makes him angry.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry to burst your bubble, but
Dre Bly is garbage and has been overrated his entire career.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Frog
In looking at Bly’s numbers, I would agree that he is not superman but he seems go have peaked 3-4 years ago when his production was best Hope there is enough left of him by end of camp to be of use on the field.. 11 yrs in the league as a DB is a lot. Camp will weed him out if he is used up..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 12, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem is, is that if he's terrible in camp and Tarell Brown (sp?) doesn't step up,
the 49ers don’t have a #2 CB, unless they want to gamble on Chris McAlister or something.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Tarell Brown should be huge this year in whatever capacity he is used. He already looked good in limited action last year (in fact, I think he even had several interceptions which is more than Walt Harris can claim). If he doesn’t push Bly to perform his best, nobody can.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You want facts? Here you go:
http://www.nfl.com/players/tarellbrown/profile?id=BRO695589
According to this source Tarell Brown had 2 interceptions in 2008 (in limited action). Is that good enough for you?
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
And here is a video with some nice highlights of Tarell Brown playing physical with an F! (Yes, I know this is in college, you don’t need to tell me. The point is, the kid can play and he’s got some real ball hawking ability.)
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL...
He caught 1 against DET in wk 3, and the other against the Rams in wk 16 .
In other words, against 2 of the worst teams in the NFL, and still one short of Harris.
Lay off the pipe. Seriously.
Well, we're waiting....
Why do you think I said Bly would win the starting job? I’m just pointing out that Tarell Brown has what it takes to make the step to the next level if necessary. Besides, this will be his third season, and experts seem to agree that the third season is the first season in which most players reach their full potential.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
But what ever, let’s just drop it.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
The Seahawks nickel CB, Josh Wilson, was legitimately good last season, had 4 INTs including one off of Kurt Warner and also forced a fumble off of Larry Fitzgerald, but you don’t see me going around using him as a reason why Ken Lucas is going to kick all sorts of ass next season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Tarrell Brown is a nickel back – by means of injury – who has covered 3rd and 4th receivers in limited action, and performed “okay”.
I think it’s a little too soon to say he’ll be “huge” – or even to assume that he’ll win a starting job.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
minus points for correct use of logic?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
minus one for FROGGER comment
thAT BLY IS GARBAGE AND overrated
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
So what you're saying is the 49ers become arguably one of the best teams of this decade?
Saying they will make an improvement of about 3 games over last season is a bold prediction. This is just outlandish.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Saying they will make an improvement of about 3 games over last season is a bold prediction.
name of post
2009 49ers Bold Statements
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
I don't think you understand what I said, I'll clarify.
I meant that a prediction similar to that one (improvement of 3 games) would constitute something that would fit this topic of discussion, which are bold statements. However, that laundry list of lunacy doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of ever happening, which is why I’d call that something along the lines of outlandish hyperbole rather than cactual bold predictions.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
actual, even.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
maybe I took the point of this post the wrong way. I thought it was meant to be humorous and outlandish. I mean seriously the season hasn’t started yet everyone should just lighten up and have some fun. Yous guys are killing my buzz.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Taken from the original post:
a statement that is absolute, not wishy-washy, and backed up with some kind of solid reasoning. I’m not looking for something crazy…I prefer something within the realm of reality.
Not sure what led you to believe the intent was to amass an enormous collection of ridiculous overestimation and pipe dreams.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Well so far no one has been able to name a single one of my bold statements and poke any kind of a hole in it. Yeah, my one about how many games they win is VERY bold, but we were only a couple of plays from going 9-7 last year (Dolphins and Monday Night Cards game). So three games better than that is 12-4. Makes sense that way doesn’t it? You want to try and poke a hole in any of my other statements?
by Riding The F Train on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot of those statements you made..
Are not bold, nor salient enough to poke hole in, and when one point was addressed, you decided to drop it. Really, the 49ers were only couple of plays away from being a 5 win team as well, but you are to high on the pipe to see that.
Well, we're waiting....
Let's see.
Niners go 12-4 in regular season and make it to the Super Bowl.
This is so idiotic that I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll remind you that the 49ers haven’t even had a single winning season in the last 6 seasons despite being in arguably the weakest division of the decade. I’ll leave it at that.
Three Niner WRs have 600+ Yard Seasons and at least 3 Touchdowns
Possibly, but unlikely, especially when you factor in that Shaun Hill or Alex Smith will be manning the helm.
Gore breaks the 1200 Yard Mark this season
Possible, likely even.
Alex Boone wins the starting RT spot
Not a chance. There’s a reason the team gambled on signing Marvel Smith. And veterans always take precedence on the depth chart, meaning if Smith gets injured again or continues to be ineffective like he recently has, those two clowns Adam Snyder and Barry Sims will get the nod. Boone will be fortunate to even make the team.
Micheal Spurlock beats out Allen Rossum for the starting kick returner spot
This is also extremely unlikely. Rossum was great last season, including taking a kick all the way to the house, he’d get the benefit of the doubt even if Spurlock was awesome in camp and preseason.
Niners top receivers are Morgan, Jones and Bruce
I expect it to be Bruce, Crabtree, and Hill in that order, but there’s little point in arguing this.
Alex Smith wins and holds onto the starting spot
Wins, possibly. Shaun Hill has a reputation of stinking it up in practice. Holds on? Unlikely, unless he’s highly improved since the last time he started.
Tarell Brown wins Walt Harris’ spot
This is possible, still doesn’t bode well for the 49ers. All this would really mean is that you can confirm that Dre Bly is done.
Gore, Spurlock, Morgan, Jones, Boone, Staley, Haarolson, Tarell Brown, Willis, and Nedney go to the Pro Bowl
An absolute joke. Gore could run train over everyone and he still wouldn’t beat out Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, or the Carolina RBs, to name a few. Spurlock probably won’t even be the starting kick returner. None of the wide receivers will have a shot in hell when you factor in who’s throwing them the ball, the run-first offense, and competition at WR. Boone will be lucky to not be stashed on the practice squad. Staley won’t solely due to established OTs who’ll get in by name recognition alone (Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Flozell Adams, Bryant McKinnie, etc. Haralson isn’t even the best pass-rusher on the team. Tarell Brown wouldn’ t even be voted past Nate Clements even if Clements continued to suck. Willis is almost a lock at this point, so you can include him. Nedney, not a chance.
Willis and maybe Gore are the only 2 that even have a remote shot.
Niners sweep the Cards and the Seachickens (and the Rams of course)
So they’re going to go 6-0 in division play? They couldn’t even beat the Seahawks led by Seneca Wallace, and barely beat the Rams.
Curtis Taylor, Scott McKillop, Bear Pascoe, Ricky Jean-Francois, Michael Crabtree, Alex Boone, and Glen Coffee all make the 53 man roster
It’s unlikely all of them make it.
Ahmad Brooks leapfrogs Manny Lawson and becomes a starting (and dominant) OLB
The organization would never give up on Lawson that quickly, especially since he’s an asset in coverage. And if Lawson hasn’t lived up to his first round status yet, how would Brooks suddenly become even a starting-caliber OLB?
Mike Singletary wins coach of the year
Even if the 49ers made the playoffs this would be highly unlikely.
A Niner rookie wins rookie of the year
The only one who has even a snowball’s chance in hell is Crabtree, and unless he’s channeling the spirit of Rookie Anquan Boldin, this is not going to happen.
Alex Smith wins comeback player of the year
Absolutely not. There are about a dozen candidates who would win over Smith even if he had a Pro-Bowl worthy season. Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, and Carson Palmer would win it over him even if they had barely acceptable bounce-back seasons.
Niners end Kurt Warner’s career with a constant barrage of monster sacks (personally I’d like to see Justin Smith or Jeff Ulbrich do it. Just seems so fitting.)
They had Smith and Ulbrich last season and their pass-rush was as useless as ever, so this isn’t going to happen. In fact, it’s more likely Darnell Dockett bursts through the paper o-line and hurts Smith or Hill.
Niners secondary ends the season in the top ten in interceptions
This is almost an impossibility.
Niners D ends the season in the top 5 in the NFL
Won’t even be top 5 in the NFC even if everyone performs way over their heads.
Niners offense ends the season ranked number 8 in the entire NFL
Don’t have the talent for that.
Niners D ends the season for at least 8 opposing players
Considering how rarely a player is out for the season due to an opposing defense, this is almost impossible.
Spurlock runs 3 kicks back for touchdowns and ends the season as the number 1 kick returner in the NFL
Just, no.
Niners special teams end the season ranked in the top 5 in the NFL (hardly a bold prediction)
Their special teams wasn’t all that great last season aside from Lawson.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gore will outproduce Turner
History is on my side.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see what you mean unless you're banking on Turner having an injury.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Injury or no injury
History doesn’t favor RB coming off a 370+ carry season. Injuries or a 1 yard per carry drop are a lot more common than coming close to matching the previous year’s production.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I know FO says unless your Erick Dickerson
but I`m going to include Curtis Martin in that exception as well.
While C-Mart only ran for 370+ times one (his second last season), he carried it over 360+ times (368 rookie year, 369 in 98, 367 in 99) and never really saw a decrease in production.
the year following his 371 carry performance was his last year in the league. I`d blame that on his age of 32, not his carries from the previous season. At the end of the day though, Curtis Martin is the exception to a lot of rules.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 14, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing stands out.
Nedney, not a chance
Really?
He’s not too well known, but he’s a very accurate kicker and he could make it based on stats.
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Hanson, Detroit's kicker, is pretty accurate and had great stats
but I don’t think he made the Pro-Bowl. It has to do with reputation in the kicker’s case.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Fearless Frog, this is for you...
I won’t debate the schedule any further. Absolutely anything can happen (see the Dolphins in 2008), so we’ll just have to wait and see.
Alex Boone wins the starting RT spot
Not a chance. There’s a reason the team gambled on signing Marvel Smith. And veterans always take precedence on the depth chart, meaning if Smith gets injured again or continues to be ineffective like he recently has, those two clowns Adam Snyder and Barry Sims will get the nod. Boone will be fortunate to even make the team.
A. I’m guessing Sims will be cut. So if M. Smith’s back doesn’t hold up, Boone could step up and grab the job. Unlikely, but possible (aka, bold statement).
Micheal Spurlock beats out Allen Rossum for the starting kick returner spot
This is also extremely unlikely. Rossum was great last season, including taking a kick all the way to the house, he’d get the benefit of the doubt even if Spurlock was awesome in camp and preseason.
A. This is probably Spurlock’s only chance to grab a roster spot. Look for him to fight hard for this one. If Rossum shows signs of slowing down, and Spurlock looks to have a breakout season (this is his third season), then this is a possibility. Unlikely, but possible.
Niners top receivers are Morgan, Jones and Bruce
I expect it to be Bruce, Crabtree, and Hill in that order, but there’s little point in arguing this.
A. Crabtree is just coming off a very serious foot injury and has to not only get back to speed, he has to take it up a notch. Morgan, Bruce, and Jones are all healthy and all of them are hungry (Morgan and Jones must prove themselves).
Alex Smith wins and holds onto the starting spot
Wins, possibly. Shaun Hill has a reputation of stinking it up in practice. Holds on? Unlikely, unless he’s highly improved since the last time he started.
A. All the 49ers beat writers and both Mcloughan and Singletary have said that Smith is throwing the ball better than at any other point in his pro career. That means highly improved. Again, unlikely but possible.
Niners sweep the Cards and the Seachickens (and the Rams of course)
So they’re going to go 6-0 in division play? They couldn’t even beat the Seahawks led by Seneca Wallace, and barely beat the Rams.
A. The Niners have a far better coach this year, far more talent, and a far improved team. Kurt Warner could be done at any moment, and I don’t hold out a lot of hope for the Cards once he is off the field.
Curtis Taylor, Scott McKillop, Bear Pascoe, Ricky Jean-Francois, Michael Crabtree, Alex Boone, and Glen Coffee all make the 53 man roster
It’s unlikely all of them make it.
A. Unlikely, but possible. The only ones who are seriously on the bubble at the moment are Taylor, Jean-Francois, and Boone. Are safety situation is thus that Taylor could see some playing time. The Niners need some serious pass rush this year. If the vets don’t show much, Jean-Francois has a shot here. The Niners O-line proved last year that once their starting RT falls, the backups are hopeless. Boone has first round talent and could make immediate impact here.
Ahmad Brooks leapfrogs Manny Lawson and becomes a starting (and dominant) OLB
The organization would never give up on Lawson that quickly, especially since he’s an asset in coverage. And if Lawson hasn’t lived up to his first round status yet, how would Brooks suddenly become even a starting-caliber OLB?
A. Don’t forget that the organization doesn’t want to give up on Brooks either, and Singletary has high hopes for him. As one of the Niner beat writers said, Brooks is really the only Niner who has the typical build of a true OLB.
A Niner rookie wins rookie of the year
The only one who has even a snowball’s chance in hell is Crabtree, and unless he’s channeling the spirit of Rookie Anquan Boldin, this is not going to happen.
A. Really? Who has a better chance? The Niners have a lot of rooks who could turn out to be sleepers. They have several guys who were projected to be top round talent and fell because of off-field incidents. If Singletary can light a fire in their hearts, who knows what might happen?
Niners end Kurt Warner’s career with a constant barrage of monster sacks (personally I’d like to see Justin Smith or Jeff Ulbrich do it. Just seems so fitting.)
They had Smith and Ulbrich last season and their pass-rush was as useless as ever, so this isn’t going to happen. In fact, it’s more likely Darnell Dockett bursts through the paper o-line and hurts Smith or Hill.
A. At this point in Warner’s career, he could go down for good at any moment. One sack could do it, and even the worst pass rush has a good chance of accomplishing that (especially when they play them twice).
Niners secondary ends the season in the top ten in interceptions
This is almost an impossibility.
A. Ya never know. When you have guys in the middle as frightening as Spikes and Willis, and you have a couple of young ballhawks back there who are eager to prove themselves, good things can happen.
Niners D ends the season in the top 5 in the NFL
Won’t even be top 5 in the NFC even if everyone performs way over their heads.
A. They have the talent, they have the coordinator, they have the motivation, the drive and the competition. They firmly believe they can do it, and when the players truly believe it, anything is possible.
Niners offense ends the season ranked number 8 in the entire NFL
Don’t have the talent for that.
A. Heck don’t give me that. You’re telling me that a still efficient and future hall of famer WR doesn’t have that kind of talent? You’re telling me that a hungry and competitive youngster named Crabtree doesn’t have the talent to become the next great Niner reciever? You’re telling me that Pro Bowl running back Frank Gore doesn’t have the talent for that? You’re telling me that our Pro Bowl RT doesn’t have the talent for that? You don’t believe V. Davis has the talent for that? Get your head out of the sand man, the Niners are becoming more and more a force to be reckoned with every time they step on that field. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Niners D ends the season for at least 8 opposing players
Considering how rarely a player is out for the season due to an opposing defense, this is almost impossible.
A. Haha, well I still remember the hit on the Jets WR and the hit on the Cowboys TE. Both could easily have been season ending injuries. This year the Niners D is even better.
Niners special teams end the season ranked in the top 5 in the NFL (hardly a bold prediction)
Their special teams wasn’t all that great last season aside from Lawson.
A. Really? Looking at the stats Rossum was right up among the rest of the big returners in the NFL, Nedney is rock solid, Andy Lee is a beast, and the Niners have some seriously deadly talent on this unit.
WITH AN UP AND COMING TEAM THAT HAS COMPLETE UNITY, COMPLETE LOVE AND BELIEF FOR THEIR COACH, LOTS OF TALENT, LOTS OF COMPETITION, LOTS OF SOLID VETERAN LEADERSHIP, AND IS DETERMINED TO MAKE UP FOR J.T.’s MISTAKES, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. (See the 2008 Dolphins).
by Riding The F Train on Jul 13, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This has gone on far enough.
I am convinced I’m being trolled.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Suit yourself
This should be fun to see who was right on more counts at the end of the year. We had better not have another J.T. on our team!!!!!
by Riding The F Train on Jul 14, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
seahawks
You realize he’s a Seahawks fan, right?
by David Fucillo on Jul 15, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
F Train, you contradict yourself.
A. Crabtree is just coming off a very serious foot injury and has to not only get back to speed, he has to take it up a notch.
You predict he’ll be the 4th receiver on your team yet be Rookie of the Year?
honestly i didn't read the whole post
i read this
Frank Gore will have 16 100-yard rushing games this season.
thought it was utterly ridiculous, and just assumed that’s what we were going for. Like I said, i’m just trying to have a little fun.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Well I like your prediction
And you’re missing one to the Pro Bowl in Alex Smith.
The only one I disagree with is Alex Boone as the starter. He needs a season under his belt, I think. Otherwise BRING. IT. ON!!!!!
Oh one more...
Vernon Davis emerges as a top 10 TE in the NFL (maybe makes it to the Pro Bowl) with a monster season
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions
Bear Pascoe
will overtake Vernon Davis as the starting tight end and end the season as the top TE in the league, putting the likes of Jason Witten, Antonio Gates and others to shame with his gaudy Bear like stats. Also Bear will do all of this while covered in authentic bear fur stolen from a fierce black bear. You know, to really give him that un-bear advantage.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
also Josh Morgan
will be the first player ever to record back to back 1,000 yard seasons in only 1 season
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Practically a Patrick Willis fact!
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m a huge Bear fan! I want to see the duo of Bear and Davis tear apart opposing Defenses. However, I don’t think he will get much playing time this season (unfortunately). There need to be Bear facts the same way there are Bamm Bamm facts. Anyone have any ideas?
by Riding The F Train on Jul 11, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The Bear Truth
It seems that “Bear Pascoe” is so bowlegged from all his rodeoing that would be tacklers get confused and go flying between his legs.
by 49er optimist on Jul 12, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason that people say Bear Pascoe’s talent is unproven is because he leaves no survivors.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 12, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
49er Bold Statements
As we approach the end of the season there will be fierce competition for the greatly prized, first annual, “Niner Nation Fan Favorite” trophy, given to the team member who has the most touchdowns. This will be presented by Fooch at the first playoff game, (you know, after the bye week), during the half time activities. At this time with just the last game to go we have a tight race between Gore, Morgan, Bruce, Davis, and Crabtree all with double digit
TD numbers, this should be an exciting game.
by 49er optimist on Jul 11, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
welcome
Welcome to the site. I’d say your username is appropriate. We’ll have to come up with a quality trophy.
And welcome to everybody else who’s joined in the fun of this post.
by David Fucillo on Jul 11, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Idea but let's
not limit it the offense by focusing on TD’s ONLY.. Perhaps include turnover takeaways which would include int’s / funble recoverys. Just a sugestion
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree goes for 1000 yards
and wins the ROY
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Self appointed president, ruler, dictator, czar and potentate of the Free Gerald Society. As of... right now.
kentwan balmer will win the starting job and record 5 sacks
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions
we will be the #1 running team
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Justin Smith leads the 49ers in sacks for the 2009 season
This may not end up being a good thing, but I think Smith leads the team in sacks.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 12, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
i think smiths sacks will be up
but i think Haralson will lead the team with double digit sacks
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 12, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
the Niners will be…
…this season. Bet that.
by jfainsf49 on Jul 12, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Straight cash, homey?
Oh, I get it. Gold.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess was...
“…coated in a shiny layer of fake value in an attempt to make them seem more appealing than they might actually be.”
But yeah. Gold. That works, too, I guess.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys sound like Seachicken fans
Nothing wrong with being realistic.
But you’re pretty much just insulting the team there.
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
There are far too many hopeless optimists around.
Being incessantly down on my own team is sort of a counterbalance. I can’t force people to stop claiming us to be an immediate super bowl contender, so I just remind the public of the other extreme.
I’d like to be somewhere in the middle, but it would just seem out of place here.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
The whole idea of this post
At least it seems to me, IS hopeless optimism. Even if we’re wrong, it’s still fun to dream.
No, that isn't the point of this post.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure as hell is the point
Until the season starts the niners are 0-0-0 just like all the other teams in the league…
DREAM ON NINER FANS… CAUSE THIS IS OUT TIME
11-5
“….I don’t have to show you no stinking reasons…” It is just a good a guess as any thing any body else has to say right now…
Last year is dead on gone… Lets get on with this year…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
nope, you're not allowed to dream or hope that the 49ers do good this year.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Why not?
I can do what ever the {site decorum} I want.
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think 49erLou is being facetious
in his reply to the frog..
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Opposing fan's insights..
Seem a lot more sane than what a lot of fans (Riding the F’d train, this means you) seem to grasp as far as reality. Just think if this thread was in a Raider forum….
You’ll find a lot of similarities, [Palin]you betcha[/Palin].
Well, we're waiting....
that`s the wrong mindset to have
Just think if this thread was in a Raider forum
don`t think like that dude! I`d probably be dressed up as Darth Vader if this were on a Raiders board.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if this has been said (bold statement)
-The 49ers will have the best special teams unit in the league.
This seems doable if all of the key special-teamers stay healthy.
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice one!
This makes sense to me! With Rossum or Spurlock we should be tops in kick returns, and of course Nedney and Lee are tremendous, so we do have a very good shot at it.
by Riding The F Train on Jul 13, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at this list of names and tell me that Rossum/Spurlock "should be tops in kick returns"
Devin Hester
Danieal Manning
Josh Cribbs
Ellis Hobbs
Cliffton Smith
Leods McKelvin
Roscoe Parrish
Felix Jones
Leon Washington
Deshaun Jackson
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Reggie Bush
Darren Sproiles
Also, while we may be able to count on a high FG% from Nedney and a solid net punting avg from Lee, special teams also means stopping the other guys. We were very middle-of-the-pack (18th in the NFL) in opponent return average last season.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Here you go:
Allen Rossum
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 San Francisco 49ers 13 47 1,259 26.8 104T 1 36 4 0 0
Micheal Spurlock 2007 (last Season he seems to have played. Worth noting this will be his third season, which experts agree is usually the first season a player reaches his full potential)
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7 16 444 27.8 90T 1 12 2 0 0
Devin Hester
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Chicago Bears 15 31 679 21.9 51 0 20 2 0 1
Daniel Manning 2008:
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Chicago Bears 14 36 1,070 29.7 83T 1 28 9 0 1
Josh Cribbs 2008:
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Cleveland Browns 15 44 1,110 25.2 92T 1 32 3 0 0
Ellis Hobbs 2008:
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 New England Patriots 16 45 1,281 28.5 95T 1 33 7 0 1
Clifton Smith
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9 36 992 27.6 97T 1 28 3 0 2
Leodis McKelvin
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Buffalo Bills 16 52 1,468 28.2 98T 1 40 7 0 1
Roscoe Parrish
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Buffalo Bills 13 2 40 20.0 25 0 1 0 0 0
Felix Jones
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Dallas Cowboys 6 16 434 27.1 98T 1 11 2 0 0
Leon Washington
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 New York Jets 16 48 1,231 25.6 94 1 28 6 0 0
DeSean Jackson
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Philadelphia Eagles 16 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0 0 0
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 Oakland Raiders 16 36 842 23.4 69 0 20 3 0 1
Reggie Bush (Punt returner, no nfl kick return experience.)
Darren Sproles
Kick Return
Year Team G Ret Yds Avg Lng TD 20+ 40+ FC FUM
2008 San Diego Chargers 16 53 1,376 26.0 103T 1 41 6 0 1
by Riding The F Train on Jul 13, 2009 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay...
So you listed a brief stat line of a bunch of guys – whose names I had provided for you – who had similar or better numbers than Rossum last year.
Is this supposed to be supportive of your case that Rossum/Spurlock will be “tops” in the league in kick return numbers?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It's still do-able.
We have quite a few key special team players that can make some stops.
It’s pretty unlikely and bold, but that’s the point isn’t it?
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what? My bad.
I’m going to stop trying to argue against people’s “bold statements”, despite my strongest desires to express the text equivalent to an eyeroll and a facepalm.
Here’s my bold prediction for 2009:
We will generate more interceptions from the free safety position in 2009 than we have in the last 3 years combined.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 13, 2009 3:17 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
NOOOOOOOOO
I like arguments, this has been an extremely entertaining discussion to read, keep ‘em honest shlecko! If someone can’t adequately defend their bold statements, then they aren’t bold, they are foolhardy.
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Jul 13, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
If my memory serves me correctly
The safeties didn’t catch intercept one last year. So it’s safe bet that maybe they can.
by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 13, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
so, what, we get 3 INTs from our FS this year?
We will generate more interceptions from the free safety position in 2009 than we have in the last 3 years combined.
That’s more of an italicized statement, than it is bold. Although, I would be happy, because seeing zero INTs coming out of the FS position has been rather annoying. I also wouldn’t mind if teams continued to throw at Mark Roman, because that would likely generated in a pass going incomplete well out of bounds (Roman=pine in 09).
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Niners secondary INT production
will be the combined result of the defensive effort. Meaning that just as was noted somewhere in this discussion regarding "coverage sacks" which are the result of good downfield coverage making the QB hold onto the ball to long and allowing the pass rushers to nail him … The reverse is also true. A good pass rush will disrupt the offensive play causing the QB to throw off target, too soon or to late resulting in an INT
My point is that although it fun to watch all you people argue about this DB or that CB and how great or terrible they are the fact of the matter is that any real intelligent discussion regarding INT production can not and should not be done in a vacuum as if the individual in question was the only defensive guy on the field. That is really a rather myopic viewpoint. I am a big Lott fan however I don’t for one minute believe that he and he alone was responsible for all the INT’s he had. Yes to be sure he made many a great play on his own to make them however Ronnie would be the first to say that if it were not for the efforts of Michael Carter, Duane Board, Fred Dean, etc, etc his INT count would be much lower..
BREAKING NEWS
This info is just in
Jet makes landing with football-sized hole
Looks like Shaun Hill has been Jet makes landing with football-sized hole
BOLD PREDICTION
Shaun Hill wins comeback player of the year award. Frank Gore leads the NFC in rushing yards.
Glen Coffee leads the FL in TD’s with 500 yds rushing and ROY
49ers defense is top ten in the league and 49ers offense is 14th in the league.
49ers win the west seabytches come in 2nd cards 3rd and rams where they belong
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
Shaun Hill wins comeback player of the year award.
…Coming back from what? This makes no sense.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Exactly what I thought
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Meant to say most improved
which I dont think the nfl has
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
Probably impossible but so what!
The 49ers resolve their QB competition by instituting a very successful two QB alternating system proving that using two QBs is not only not impossible, but not even significantly different from using two RBs, two TEs, two LOLBs, two Punters, or two water boys. And incidentally they make all the 49er fans deliriously happy.
A truely BOLD prediction
The York family will anounce later today that they are canceling this years games. Yep the Niners a calling it quits.. Seems that FO has announced that the niners have litlle to no chance of being making a legitmate chance of making it to the SB so they are giving up. If FO says there is no chance they why even try.. Jeb and Sing were so distraut they were seen weeping in the halways at the teams headquarters in SC
Bold Prediction.....sorry so late.
Niners Offense will be in bottom 1/3 of the league, while defense will be top 1/3.
Crab will have less than 500 yds receiving
Smith will finish off the season as starting QB
Willis Def MVP
We will be screaming for Raye’s head
Please Fooch after the season please post this article…….
Coach Singletary will b-smack someone and get fined.
Shawn Hill, Jim, ref.,gore fumble……….
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