Mike Learned a Valuable Lesson from Seifert
by kezarvet on Jul 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
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On January 6, 1985, Mike Singletary learned a valuable lesson from George Seifert, the 49ers defensive coordinator under Bill Walsh.. The 49ers demolished the Chicago Bears and Walter Payton in the NFC Championship Game 23-0 at Candlestick Park. How did they do it? They limited the Bears passing game to 37 yards and shut them out.
How? George Seifert had what I firmly believe was the greatest defense ever put on a football field. People like to talk about the 1985 Bears, but that team had a lot of hype around the Refrigerator and Payton, etc., but it was the 49ers the year before who put a virtual all-star defense on the field.
Seifert rotated NINE (9) defensive linemen, all stars in their own right with different talents and abilities. With stars like Michael Carter, Fred Dean, Gary "Big Hands" Johnson, Manu Tuiasosopo, Dwaine Board, Jim Stuckey, Jeff Stover, Lawrence Pillers, and Big Louie Kelcher, the Bear offensive line had no chance to stop the onslaught.
When the Bears were able to get off passes, the All-Pro defensive backfield of Eric Wright, Ronnie Lott, Carlton Williamson and Dwight Hicks was there to make sure the receiver was covered like a blanket.
This season is Singletary's first as a head coach and he is, of course, famous for his defensive prowess and focus. After he took over as head coach last season, the Niners quickly blossomed into one of the better defenses in the league. I expect that to continue this season and it will be interesting to see how well Mike learned his "rotate your defensive linemen" lesson from Old Fisherman George, who is probably out on Bodega Bay listening to Billy Idol as we speak.
This season we may see Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Demetrius Evans, Kentwan Balmer, Ricky Jean-Francois (Frenchy), and even Ray McDonald, if he can overcome his injuries. It will be interesting to see how well Mike paid attention on that unforgettable day back in January of 1985. Good luck, Mike.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Ummm . . .
You wrote: When McMahon was able to get off passes . . .
Actually, McMahon missed all of the second half in 1984 after lacerating his kidney against the Raiders in November, in week ten.
The Bears started back-up Steve Fuller in that NFC Championship game of which you refer. The 49ers outgained the Bears 387 yards on offense to 186 in that game enroute to their 23-0 victory.
It probably would have been a far different outcome if the Bears had started McMahon while the 49ers were forced to play Matt Cavanaugh, instead of Joe Montana.
Teams that have to play their back-up QB in the playoffs are at a huge disadvantage. That’s not an excuse, that’s just the reality of the situation.
As it was, nine months later (October 13, 1985) those same two teams played on the same field.
This time Jim McMahon DID play it was almost an exact opposite situation.
This time the Bears outgained the 49ers on offense (372-183 – - – almost the exact opposite of the 84 game – - – 387 -186 in favor of SF).
The score i in 1985 (the Bears winning 26-10) was almost the exact opposite of the score in 1984 (49ers 23, Bears 0).
Anyone that doesn’t understand that the 49ers caught a huge break by facing the Bears back-up QB in the ‘84 NFC Championship game instead of Jim McMahon really doesn’t understand playoff football at the NFL level.
by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
McMahon still stinks! THE END
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 11, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so they couldn't have beat the bears if mcmahon was healthy?
you’re talking about the first team to ever win 15 games in a season. the team that went on to beat the dolphins (with a healthy dan marino) 38-16 in the superbowl not long afterwards. the 49ers were the best team that year and would still have been the heavy favorites even if mcmahon had played.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Jul 11, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they could have
Let’s reverse it, OK.
Suppose McMahon had played the entire season and Joe went out in week 10.
And it was Jim McMahon vs. Matt Cavanaugh in the NFL Championship game.
If the 49ers had lost, what would be the FIRST thing out of everyone’s mouth? (Honesty, please).
Probably, something like this: We (would’ve, could’ve, might’ve ) won if we had Joe in there instead of Matt.
And that’s alright. That would be a normal reaction.
All I’m saying is this: What’s the most important position in the NFL? The QB.
And it is a factor when one team is full strength in the playoffs at that positiop and the other team isn’t.
That’s all.
by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heavy favorites?
I recall the media having a honeymoon with dan marino leading up to that game.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 15, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Jean-Francois = Frenchy
I think we might have a new nickname…especially ironic given that he’s a big bruising defensive lineman
by Fooch on Jul 11, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My uncle
was a big bruiser who was also known as “Frenchy”.
As to the response,you’re right about Fuller and McMahon. The 1984 49er team was one of the greatest in history. They were 18-1, and the only loss came against the Steelers on a terrible pass interference call against Eric Wright which gave them the ball at the 1. The referee later admitted he blew the call that cost the Niners an undefeated season.
The 49ers were a far different team in 1985. They lost several players and every team’s chemistry changes from one season to the next. This does nothing to minimize the whitewashing they laid on the Bears.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 11, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"After he took over as head coach last season, the Niners quickly blossomed into one of the better defenses in the league."
That couldn’t have to do anything with the fact that they faced piss-poor offenses after Singletary took over, right?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shh.
Logic isn’t welcome in these posts, remember?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 11, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to rag because he at least at the courtesy of making the FanPost very well-written, but
it’s hard to see how any of the points he made are connected in any tangible way whatsoever.
George Seifert was awesome, yes. But I don’t understand how Singletary, a player, would learn any sort of ‘lesson’ pertaining to football strategy because his team lost.
In addition, Samurai Mike (the coach) is not famous for ‘defensive prowess’, he’s famous for pulling his pants down at halftime and eventually becoming the star of the best beer ads ever. His tenure in the final 8 games did not mark a great defense, it marked a noticeable improvement over a bad one. Again, this is far more likely explained by the fact they played offenses as fearsome as the LOLSKINS, Bills, and Rams.
Even then, the only team with a winning record in those final 8 games I recall the 49ers beating, especially in large part due to defense, was the Jets. This Jets team was one of the worst in the league during the last stretch of the season and nowhere near as good as their 9-7 season would suggest.
And lastly, the defensive line rotation. That could probably be an effective strategy, but like the FanPost mentioned, the 49ers of old had that beastly rotation of studs and a lockdown secondary. The current 49ers don’t have anywhere near that kind of talent.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
it has to do with the fact that Singletary is a brilliant defensive mind as well as he was one of the greatest middle linebackers in NFL history. Your comments about the pants dropping incident gives me real insight into your own personality. The same old crap about how they beat teams with losing records. Those wins don’t count? The last time I looked, each win counted as one win, no matter whom the team you are playing. I’ll lay it on the line right now that the Niners will be top 10 defense and will take the NFC West.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 12, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you've actually watched...
Those games, which shows more about your insight than Frog’s.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think he didn't watch them?
I watched them.
I saw a noticeable improvement in the defense’s play….even though they were playing crappy offenses you could tell that the defense was playing much better than they did early on in the season.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 13, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second half sched
Was against teams who won a total of 8 games combined in there respective second halves of the season. Manusky just stopped using the Big Suckle and went to a base 3-4. That’s it.
Just think how deep in the weeds Singletary would be had lost Manusky after last season.
Think.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the second half was full of crappy teams
even though they were playing crappy offenses
Why re-state what I said using different words?
The players seemed more comfortable in the base 3-4…..that’s all I’m saying.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This kind of post
is elitist crap. Attack the poster as someone who doesn’t watch games.
I’ve watched or listened to EVERY 49er game since their first one against the New York Yankees in Kezar in 1946. I’m starting my 64th season as a Niner fan. I’ve not only watched the games, but for three years I had a bench pass and sat on the end of the Niner bench. Lots of memorable moments. One of the funniest was the time J.D. Smith circled right end and went about 86 yards for a TD vs. the Packers. He was really fast and our pulling guard, a tough Italian named Lou Palatella was running behind him trying to get out in front and throw a block. Palatella couldn’t catch him so he screamed, “Slow down, you S.O.B.”. Nomellini was sitting on the end of the bench and he was laughing so hard it was hysterical since he was missing about six teeth in front. A moment I’ll never forget.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry pal..
As a fan who has watched the team (even from the sideline) for over 30 years, you’re acting more Elitist than I am. Your post reeks of hyped up hyperbole, and really is far off of the mark. They played marginally better the second half of the season due to some tweaks, not due to a major overhaul, against teams that clammed it up in their respective second halves of the season. If I’m repeating myself here, it’s because that’s what it is. Guess what? Due to some minor tweaks in the latter half of ’07, they won a couple of games against teams that mailed it in.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary very well could be the greatest linebacker to ever play in the NFL.
That’s almost entirely irrelevant when it comes to evaluating him as a head coach. John Madden and Mike Holmgren weren’t especially great football players and yet both are considered two of the greatest coaches of this era. Those wins count, but they are superficial when you try to pass them off as reasons why the 49ers are going to take a big step forward this season. Why? Because, with a very quick glance at the schedule, the teams they play are a lot better. If the 49ers went 7-9 in 2008 and racked up most of their wins in the first 8 games, you could make a better case that they are on the upswing, because the schedule was significantly tougher in the first half of the season than the second half, including playing elite teams like the Giants. Instead, they went a miserable 2-6, marked by a terrible offensive line, an inconsistent, and in general, bad football. Their defense improved later on in the season, but they played many offensively-challenged teams.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And upon further review of their 2008 schedule...
The teams with winning records that they played they went 1-3 against, with that one win coming over the Jets who weren’t even close to a good team at that point. Lost to Arizona, lost to Miami, got stomped by Dallas, and their wins were by less than 7 outside of 2, 1 of those which were by 10. Not exactly dominant displays.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona and Miami were close games the team could have won. Mark Roman’s awful safety coverage blew the Miami game with an assist from Barry Sims. The Arizona game came down to the last play, which Martz called a dive play with 2 yards to go from the end zone.
Still not always that simple to recount the schedule. If the 49ers win either game the Cards or Fins could have gone into the tank the rest of the season with neither reaching a winning record. If Buffalo beats us in late in season than maybe they go on a run to reach the playoffs, that is just football. The Jets winning in SF could have stopped the bleeding, than they rebound to make the playoffs.
Could also probably blame the Giants game on JTO. NY played there worst game of the regular season and JTO played worse. I think any other team in the league would have beat the Giants that day.
by bignerd on Jul 13, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
But you’re never going to convince Frog.
I suggest we all stop saying how badass the team is going to be (or could have been) and just let the team speak for itself come September
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 13, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone can nitpick at plays and play hypotheticals. Doesn't make it true.
For instance, if the Seahawks have a real WR running routes in week 2 vs. the 49ers, the ball isn’t deflected off of a helmet and intercepted by Patrick Willis, the Seahawks continue to drive, score points, keep control of the game, and win. They don’t fall into an 0-2 slump and pick up their act, going 7-9 or something.
Those aren’t good points, it’s just impossible speculation.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my main point.
I just want everyone to shut up about last season and get over JTO/Martz/Nolan
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 14, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren was a
very good high school QB and made All-City at Lincoln. Of course he was bigger than everyone else at that time being 6-4, 225 in high school. He was a very good passer but slow as molasses and not at all mobile. That served him well in high school but when he got to USC he rode the bench.
As to Singletary, people fail to realize how ethereal this guy is. He’s a very deep thinker and a brilliant planner. His skills go far beyond motivation.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropping his pants..
is very ethereal indeed.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that is all that concerns you
you have problems that we can’t deal with on this forum.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
His post game rant after that game ("We have CANCERS on this team…) didn’t make him look very stable in my eyes, and his rant on KNBR months later just proves how much more he has to learn as a Head Coach. I mean, he has tried to become one for some time before this opportunity, so you have to question why a lot of GM’s who interviewed him didn’t bite after his short stint as the 49ers HC. Of course, given your complete and unabashed admiration of him as a player, you would over look those things, thus, your post that has no meat, just a lot of fluff. The OC search was another Red Flag, and along with a young Organization as a whole, maybe, just maybe, they all are just a bit over their collective heads for this upcoming season.
You probably disagree with this, and I probably know why, because I don’t agree with your trying to blow smoke up the arse here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right Kezarvet
Singletary is a special person. At that 49er event earlier this year, he talked about having a ‘vision’ for the 49ers.
Many people have a plan. Few have a ‘vision.’
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme guess...
Hard nosed, hard hitting, tough football team, right?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot physical...
defensive team with an emphasis on the ground on offense.
Or you’re gonna tell me he is Bill Walsh. I forget all those effusive posts you have made here, but I’m sure I’ll find the same on Barrows’/Maiocco’s/Lynch’s comments/boards that I see you on from time to time, that pretty much says the same thing you’re saying/said here.
I find that kinda obsessive for a guy whose team in is in CHI. Kinda tips where your head is at on this, don’t it?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more you talk . . .
the less sense you make.
Tell you what though, go through ANY of my many posts and let me know where I posted something that wasn’t factually correct.
Good Luck!
(It’s funny. One of the greatest 49ers of all (Joe Montana) PUBLICLY endorsed the hiring of MS earlier in the year. But hey, what does old Joe know about football, right?)
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're not gonna ....
Treat us to more GeoMak hyperbole? The kind that get’s you all riled up because you bring nothing to the table and get called out for it on every board you post on?
Oh, your Montana quip here..
You haven’t heard many Montana post retirement interviews, have you?
You just can’t deal with reality (and you are debating a SUPERIOR football mind, when it comes to me), so, in a way, I really can’t blame you.
Honestly, who gives a F what you think? Really.
You have ZERO credibility to go along with your ZERO knowledge of NFL football. ZERO.
I see you’re making a lot of new friends out there on the internet.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only people
that don’t like me are:
Trolls (like V & Zero) who slam everything (without any basis in reality for their ignorant rants).
(You’re not really going to defend V & Zero, are you????)
But again, I challenged you to find ANYTHING that I have ever posted that wasn’t factually correct.
Look through the archives and knock yourself out (LOL)!
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a clue...
John Madden has nothing to do with this team.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let...
That comment section explain itself. It’s very enlightening (non football wise), yet disturbing.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
What does John Madden and your comment ( John Madden has nothing to do with this team) MEAN?
At least have the courtesy to explain what you are talking about here (and I’d be happy to explain the context of what I may or may not have said).
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It had something to do...
With how long Madden took to get an SB. Now, no HC would have that many years to get one in this era of the NFL. I could go on, but I don’t want to turn this thread into the “Bi-Polar 49ers” with you going “Bi-Polar GeoMak”, because as evidenced “over there”, it’s obvious where you are going here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your problem here is that you really
don’t understand the ‘conversation.’
It wasn’t about ‘How long it took Madden to win a SB as it relates to HC’s of today.’
OK?
Now, here’s my email address: emgeoff @ q.com.
If you would like to know the EXACT nature of the conversation, their points (and mine) I’d be HAPPY to share it with you.
Till then, DON’T take things out-of-context and use it to criticize me.
It’s FACTUALLY incorrect to do that.
There’s NO way that anyone can understand the situation by looking at a post or two. No way.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they can..
They can read it for themselves.
It’s out there dude. Just like you.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
unless you read it FROM the beginning (month’s worth of posts) someone is VERY LIKELY to make the exact same mistake that YOU did.
What mistake, Geo?
This mistake: The point of the ‘conversation’ had NOTHING to do with what you posted at 12:05 ( HC’s having that many years (nine in Madden’s case, to win a SB).
See?
You don’t understand the point that THEY were making for the last few months and the point that I was making in reply.
Why not?
Cause you just picked up something ‘mid-stream’ and DIDN’T understand the context of my post.
Now, if you want to show me WHAT exactly was the point made by them (V & Zero) and myself, please elaborate.
It WASN’T the point you impplied in your 12:05 post.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read...
Most of what I could take before realizing you’ve made that same statement here, without it being brought up in the same context.
In other words, you’re redundant. As well as insane.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Show me ONE comment I have EVER made that was Factually Incorrect.
I’m waiting.
And DON’T pull something OUT-OF-CONTEXT like the Madden comment.
I NEVER said anything about how long it took Madden to reach the SB in the way that you claim (that HC’s today don’t (usually) get anywhere near that length of time.
Again, please show me even ONE incorrect comment I have made.
I’ll be waiting (LOL)!
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it right here...
and you are debating a SUPERIOR football mind, when it comes to me
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And AGAIN
that was said to either V or Zero.
I addressed this earlier (at 11:47) when I said this:
There are squirrels that have a superior football mind to guys like V & Zero.
Get it?
It’s the equivalent of me debating a couple of squirrels (V & Zero) about the NFL.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that means..
We would have to accept your opinion.
Given how you’ve handled yourself on the internet, you ain’t looking too good there Bubba.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me drummer
what is the basic theme, of V & Zero, as it relates to the hiring of Mike Singletary as permanent HC of the 49ers.
If you (LOL) know what you’re talking about, you could summarize their thesis in a couple of sentences.
If not, then it just goes to show (once again) that you speak of what you do not know.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing to do..
With your beef with those 2. I know at least this: You don’t know what a troll is.
Well, unless you look into a mirror.
Then, you’ll know.
But I doubt you’d believe it.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE INTERNETS
You both have failed them. Good day.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 15, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
superior football mind
GeoMak made that comment? Got a link to it?
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go look up..
The comments section on Lynch’s blog (hint: the bi polar niners). Geo is pretty much rehashing the stuff he posted here. I don’t mean to bring another beef/argument that doesn’t have anything to do with this board. I thought I would just bring Geo’s state of mind when it comes to Singletary.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Singletary
isn’t God . . . but he’s pretty close!
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geo also thinks that McMahon was a great QB
Superior Football Mind?
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 13, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you expect Montana do diss the franchise he's spent most of his HoF career on?
And go out and say Singletary was a bad hire?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
However, instead of saying this:
"I think the one thing that Mike brings is a different attitude than they’d had there in a long time," Montana told "Waddle & Silvy" on WMVP-AM 1000. "I certainly like the change."
He could have said a LOT of things that wouldn’t be ‘dissing’ the 49ers OR supporting the hire.
For example, something like this: " I (Montana) certainly hope that Mike can get the 49ers back on track."
Something innocuous like that.
Keep attacking me. It makes me laugh.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and I recognize Singletary's
inner focus and discipline as well as his brilliance. I guess it’s like the old saying: “It takes one to know one.” That may eliminate our little drummer boy.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 14, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
But you have provided this forum with nothing other that insignificant glowing praise that really shows your lack of knowledge. You have been called out on it by several here, yet you have nothing to back it up. Why? Because what we’ve seen of Singletary as a (get this because this is the point) Head Coach is really not that significant overall.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right drummer
Cause most first time HC’s:
Bill Walsh: 2-14
Chuck Noll: 1 -13
Jimmy Johnson: 1-15
Bill Parcells: 3-12-1
Set the league on FIRE after their first nine games on the job.
You amuse me, my little friend.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice...
All pre-salary cap era coaches. Good way to make yourself look even more like the dinosaur you are.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's see
Bill Belichick (as you know) is widely considered to be the best HC in the NFL today (in the salary cap era).
He started his first HC’ing job, with the Browns, at 6-10. A few years later he was run out of town.
A complete failure.
Later, Robert Kraft, against the advice of almost everyone, hired Belichick as his new HC.
He went 5-11 in his first year in New England. The rest, of course, is history.
How’s that? (6-10, run out of town, complete failure, 5-11 . . . then SB’s)
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
You’re saying that Singletary is going to be a miserable failure in SF and become a multiple SB winning coach somewhere else?
And Belichik is one of the greatest defensive minds in NFL history. Singletary…isn’t.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say What?
I’m not saying anything about Singletary.
drummer said this:
Because what we’ve seen of Singletary as a (get this because this is the point) Head Coach is really not that significant overall
And I just countered by saying that one could’ve probably said the same thing about those five HOF HC’s.
Get it?
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, you don't now anything about this team, do you?
None of what you post has anything to do with the current state of the 49ers. It’s just more anecdotal bullshit that makes you look more like the Village Idiot here. No, you’re comparing Singletary to Walsh, Noll, Johnson, Parcells, and Belechick. Is Lombardi next, or are you gonna bring in Red Auerbach just because?
Jeebus, you are one dumb SOB.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I'm not comparing Mike Singletary
to anyone. This is basic English comprehension.
When you say this:
Because what we’ve seen of Singletary as a (get this because this is the point) Head Coach is really not that significant overall
you open yourself up to an examination of some HOF HC’s and what they had shown after only NINE games. Not much (at least record wise).
Nobody (least of all me) is comparing Singletary to HOF HC’s.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you bring in those coaches...
into the argument, then that exposes comparisons and expectations far beyond that what I’ve posted. What you fail to realize in this is that what you just did is what a lot of Nolan defenders used to do when his abilities were questioned.
Good job kicking yourself in the rear end.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much sums it up.
A bit more bluntly than I’d put it, but it’s more or less true.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan won 4 games..
With a far lesser team than Singletary has right now, with one of the worst offenses in League history. According to GeoMak, he is in the same breath as Bill Walsh.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that this is difficult
for you, and I really don’t have a problem with differences of opinions, but try to be intelligent about it.
Your post makes no sense.
Now, I will translate for you.
It’s virtually impossible, in the NFL, to judge a new HC after only nine games.
That’s all.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you freakin' kidding me? ...
Just what have you been doing this whole thread?
Are you really this stupid?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, might as well stop feeding the troll.
This isn’t going anywhere.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"As to Singletary, people fail to realize how ethereal this guy is. He’s a very deep thinker and a brilliant planner. His skills go far beyond motivation."
Problem is, there is absolutely no indication of this whatsoever.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Obviously don't know the history of this man
To those that KNOW, no explanation is needed.
To those that DON’T , no explanation will suffice.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
explanation
Would you mind giving FF a brief explanation of what you mean? He might not buy it and you can drop it after that, but I’d say at least point out your thoughts briefly to him
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch
To those that KNOW, no explanation is needed.
To those that DON’T , no explanation will suffice.
It’s really that simple.
The ‘two-decade’ history of a man can’t be summed up in a short paragraph.
This is akin to Justice Stewarts definition of obscenity:
“I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [b]ut I know it when I see it . . . "
And BTW: This is almost assuredly the ONLY time Mike Singletary and obscenity will be used at the same time.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that Singletary was on staff as a 'motivational coach', not actually involved in football strategy.
He received the interim HC job because both coordinators were awful and he provided a vocal presence to a team in disarray. He became the HC because the front office bought that the team’s apparent resurgence in the second half and didn’t bother interviewing many candidates. His team didn’t dramatically improve statistically in his tenure. He went out and hired one a terrible offensive coordinator who seems to have been around during the days of leather-cap football.
There is almost nothing that would show that Singletary is a ‘deep thinker and brilliant planner’, especially when you factor in the pants-dropping incident and Vernon Davis rant, he doesn’t even seem very level-headed.
And please, I hope you aren’t going to tell me his playing days as a MLB made him a brilliant defensive strategic mind.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, I do realize I raped the English language with my absurdly bad grammar in that comment.
Bite me.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he was a LB coach. Most LB coaches aren’t invoved in stratagy on a signicant level.
Doesn’t (of course) mean that they couldn’t do it. Just means that they weren’t asked to do it.
In his only two NFL seasons as an assistant coach, John Madden (who has the highest winning percentage in NFL history) was also a LB copach with the raiders (before being promoted to HC).
‘deep thinker and brilliant planner’, especially when you factor in the pants-dropping incident and Vernon Davis rant, he doesn’t even seem very level-headed.
Simply proof that you are ignorant here.
Anyone that doesn’t understand that the VD rant was pretty much PLANNED by MS, doesn’t know the man.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
comment
Anyone that doesn’t understand that the VD rant was pretty much PLANNED by MS, doesn’t know the man.
The problem with that comment is that it’s impossible to refute whether it’s true or not. No matter what anybody says, you can just say “well, you don’t know the man.” Kind of a weak argument. Beyond watching Singletary in games and reading about him, can you tell us how you “know the man,” to the point that you can say that he clearly planned the VD rant?
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Fooch
I said ‘pretty much’ planned.
You have me saying ‘clearly planned.’
There’s a difference there, as you well know.
Let me rephrase my position: In MY opinion, that ‘rant’ was something that Singletary, if presented the opportunity, was going to do.
Nothing gets the message out (to your team and the rest of the free world) that there’s a new sheriff in town and STUPID football won’t be tolerated anymore better than a ‘rant’ on National TV against one of your more high profile and underachieving players.
Only Mike Singletary knows for sure, but in my opinion, that was a bullet he had in his gun that he was just waiting to use.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
You really don’t have any facts to back up your statement.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well let's see:
You’re right. I don’t have the ‘facts’ as I explained with this comment (Only Mike Singletary knows for sure).
Essentially, unless one is preseenting verifiable statistics (like the 49ers were 7-9 in 2008) most comments here and elsewhere are opinions.
Like when FF said this: “All I know is that Singletary was onstaff as a motivational coach.”
That’s his opinion, as there are no VERIFIABLE facts to support that position.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, by your "standards"...
Of how to back up an opinion, Fooch’s is just as valid as yours.
You really are all over the place here. Like a trainwreck.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Fooch's 'opinion?'
(MIne is that his rant was PRETTY MUCH planned).
What was Fooch’s?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant FF...
Sorry Fooch.
But the same applies to GeoWhack.
Get this dude: you’ve managed to completely avoid the subject, giving us this little treasure of your insight:
To those that KNOW, no explanation is needed.
To those that DON’T , no explanation will suffice.
How many other 49er board did you post this on?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
opinion
Drummer corrected what he was discussing, but I still think your line about the pretty much planned Davis rant is a bogus line. How can anybody say it probably wasn’t planned since you don’t cite any facts to support it. You say that if you don’t see it was pretty much planned then you don’t know the man. If somebody tries to counter you, you can just say, well you don’t know the man without citing actually intelligible facts in support.
You’re a cliche machine.
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch
You’re smarter than this. Really.
But let me rephrase: It’s MY opinion that the rant was ‘pretty much’ planned. OK?
There’s no verifiable evidence either way on the subject. As I said, only Mike Singletary knows for sure.
Coaches (as you surely know) OFTEN do things like that to send a message, not just to the one individual (VD) but to the entire team.
Kind of a ‘Dual Purpose’ action.
As far as how this relates to knowing the man, I will (LOL) try not to be a cliche machine and elaborate:
IN MY OPINION, Mike Singletary, in taking over a losing, rudderless team, was going to grab the team by their COLLECTIVE throats and shake them up.
His treatment of VD certainly shook them up.’
IMO! You and anyone else are certainly free to disagree.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stated that because I thought he actually on staff to motivate people.
I didn’t realize he was LB coach. My point more or less stands, however.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't know he was the LB coach?
That’s inexcusable. Really.
Learn what you are talking about BEFORE you open your mouth.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're one to talk.
Considering that every single comment by you has been a powerful tribute to the idiocy one would come to expect from an ESPN commenter.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Singletary was just looking for an excuse to drop his pants?
What kind of weird shit is this guy into?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
So Singletary planned on looking like an idiot?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he looked like an idiot, which is why many ex-players (such as HOF’er Rod Woodson) among others said things along this line . . . About Time.
This is football at the NFL level.
When one player selfishly does things on a semi-regular basis that hurts the entire team (players, coaches and management), well then, sometimes you really have to go the extra mile to get that player’s attention.
Singletary just humiliated VD much like Buddy Ryan humiliated Singletary in his rookie season.
That’s the same Buddy ryan who Singletary sais “Was the best thing that ever happened to him in the NFL.”
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "about time" statements..
Related to he kicking VD off of the field, not his postgame rant, or his dropping his trousers.
Let’s try to keep this in context please.
Oh I forget who I am dealing with…
You just can’t deal with reality (and you are debating a SUPERIOR football mind, when it comes to me);;;
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pants?
Really. Who cares?
What intelligent person even brings up the dropped pants.
Very little was MORE meaningless in 2008 that the ‘dropped pants.’
BTW: I am still waiting for you to show me ONE thing I have written that was factually incorrect.
I mean, you’ve said this about me: In other words, you’re redundant. As well as insane.
And yet you can’t pull up EVEN ONE COMMENT made by me, in the past six months that’s factually incorrect.
You amuse me, little man.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What "intellegent" person..
Drops his pants in order to make a point?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Dropping his pants was possibly the worst way to motivate the team and absolutely most juvenile and immature thing I’ve ever heard of a coach doing.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What intelligent person punches a
locker and breaks his hand to make a point?
Mike Ditka did (in the locker room in front of Mike Singletary).
For the most part, the only people who were offended by him dropping his pants have never stepped foot in an NFL locker room.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're glossing..
Over the subject. Do you even know what the subject is?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still waiting drummer
You know, for even ONE factually incorrect comment made by me in all my many posts.
Just ONE son. Just ONE!
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post it again..
You just can’t deal with reality (and you are debating a SUPERIOR football mind, when it comes to me
Seeing how you are crapping the bed here, this is as factually incorrect as it gets.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for the third time
Even YOU, yes YOU (drummer), are a superior football mind compared to guys like V & Zero.
Get it?
Even you (or your dog or a couple o fsquirrels) are superior to those two Trolls.
My comment was directed at THEM and there are few (if any) who actually KNOW the debate there who’d argue that point.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you figure out what a troll is yet?..
A troll is yet?
I’ll give you an example:
A CHI fan picking beefs on every 49er board he can log into. I mean, you’re calling 49er fans trolls on a 49er board.
That’s pretty stoopid.
BTW, I meant to spell stoopid that way.
PS: we’ve already covered your beef over there, here. Same GeoWhack crap, just a different board. It’s almost verbatim on your end too.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You KILL me.
I’m not ‘picking beefs.’
Actually, OTHERS are ‘picking beefs’ with me..
Big, big difference there son.
As far as this comment
I mean, you’re calling 49er fans trolls on a 49er board.
Yeah. Myself, as well as virtually EVERY other long-time blogger on Niner Insider call V & Zero trolls.
Get it?
I’m just siding with the MAJORITY of the bloggers on Niner Insider.
Of course, if you actually KNEW what you were talking about you wouldn’t criticize me for siding with the VAST MAJORTIY of Niner fans on Niner Insider when we/they call out V & Zero for their ‘Troll-Like’ nonsense.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
What have you been doing here?
You see, you don’t get it, do you?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
drummer, in the interest of accuracy, i just pointed out the mistake kezarvet made in his original post.
I believe strongly in accuracy.
BTW: Still (LOL) waiting for an Inaccurate Comment from you that I (the insane redundant one) has EVER made.
Can’t even find ONE, drummer boy?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not bothering to look one up...
Either here, nor over there. Lemme tell you something here: I happened to look over at the comments on the article, because I wanted to see what the fan’s reactions would be. Once I read a few of them, I thought to myself, “Wow, Lynch’s blog has born a whole new breed of ’tard.” Then I saw your posts, and that confirmed it. I mean, come on. Posting anecdotes pulled form a Ditka biography, posting things that are pedantic and obvious doesn’t make you a “football mind”. You’ve told many posters here they don’t know football. I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re the “Football Idiot”, who without a football almanac, wouldn’t have anything to post about.
You do know that some of the same things your pals over there are saying the same things here, don’t you? All you have to counter is the AZ Cards, and we not knowing who Mike Singletary is. That isn’t knowledge. That’s easy stuff to throw out there that can be picked apart, but you have avoided those points, and just gone flat out bat crap crazy here, and I knew I could bring that out of you. That’s how easy you are to bait. We’ve bantered enough here for you to try and boil down issues using arcane hyperbole that has no facts to back it up, and you did that here. So much that Fooch called you out on it, and then you slyly tried to question his intelligence doing so.
GeoWhack, we know your act. If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be spinning around like a Top here.
(notice how I capitalized the word Top. Think of it in the noun sense, to illustrate your nonsense.)
Your not brining anything to the table here WackoGeo. Now, a lot of poster’s have picked apart your idiocy here, so there is no reason to rehash that. All you bring is “DITKA, DA BEARS” and a lot of things you’ve read at the local library. Meanwhile, fans who have DVR’d last season (I have all of last season on a hard drive somewhere, or I’ve burned them already on discs, but I think they are still on the hard drive to my dead laptop) can have their opinion on their team, whether you agree with them or not, but remember, you are still on their turf, whether you agree with them or not, and trolling them is being a flat out troll. Which is what you’re doing, right now. You haven’t posted a reasonable post all day. Nothing to do with football, just you being butt hurt.
Fooch has brought us the best 49er fan blog on the internet, and you should thank him for letting you, a troll, in on the action, even though you bring nothing to the table. Even so, you posted this:
Fooch
You’re smarter than this. Really.
All Fooch asked you was to, pardon my French, back your st up. I think Fooch has a tremendous grasp of football and the 49ers, way more than you have. He certainly has more than I do, but I don’t follow the game as closely anymore like I used to. Guess what? I know enough when someone is trying to bulls**t me, and that’s what you’re hopelessly failing to do.
Remember where you’re at dude. This is a 49er board. We know what the heck we are talking about, because we follow a team that isn’t in CHI.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not bothering to look one up.
Good. Cause they don’t exist.
Now, I asked you before and I’ll ask you again: Do you know what positions are held by V & Zero (on Niner Insider) that causes THEM to be reviled over there?
And what causes me to say this . . . TO THEM:
You just can’t deal with reality (and you are debating a SUPERIOR football mind, when it comes to me), so, in a way, I really can’t blame you.
See, you are criticizing me and ‘defending’ two guys who are reviled by most 49er fans.
Again, do you know why they are hated over there? (Probably not . . cause facts aren’t you thing).
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geo, come on now...
You were pulling that act over there, here.
Don’t go crying Wolf now. You’ve insulted quite a few fans here too ya know.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Once again (for the millionth time) show me where I am factually incorrect EVEN one time and I’ll shut up.
See, I was Attacked here by Fearless Frog . . . a genius that didn’t know that MS was the 49er LB coach and actually thought he was hired as a motivational coach.
So see, UNEDUCATED people like that will often attack me and get all ‘Insulted’ when I take them to the woodshed.
BTW: Do you know ANYTHING about the two 49er HATERS that you defend (and that I attack) V & Zero?
Anything?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you were attacked, eh?...
Simply proof that you are ignorant here.
BTW, there was nothing in FF’s post to provoke that answer from you.
Playing hard and loose with facts now?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
After I agreed with kezarvet, you IMMEDIATELY went on the offensive against me with your sarcasm:
LEMME GUESS
Hard nosed, hard hitting, tough football team, right?
And then, after I posted Montana’s public support of MS, FF chimed in with “Did you really expect Montana to diss the franchise and say that Singletary was a bad hire?”
To which I calmly explained that if Joe Montana didn’t believe in his praise for MS, then he could have said a number of things which weren’t dismissive without endorsing the hire.
I simply AGREED with kezarvet and YOU GUYS (drummer & FF) start criticizing me.
Let’s at least get the FACTS straight, OK?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the whole thing started..
Because kezarvet posted what I deftly called GeoMak Lite, and then you brought in GeoMak Dark.
You just couldn’t resist. Just…couldn’t…resist…
Guess what? People here are still waiting for you guys to explain yourselves.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
popcorn anyone?
(munch munch)
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Jul 13, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intelligent isn't a word I would use to describe Mike Ditka
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 13, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You’re right. He’s a HOF player, SB winning coach and a multi-millionaire businessman.
And yeah, he’s stupid.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is also the moron that traded his whole draft to get Ricky Williams
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 13, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
killer moustache though
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fosho
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of those are measures of intelligence
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh trading your whole draft for one player has it that youre mentally challenged
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez
after reading this, its getting to the point where I don’t really care what Geo has to say, just because hes been kind of an saying it and has no ‘facts’ to back it up. I’m done with this thread.
by WeHaveCrabsAndVD on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Ditka is a HOF coach with one superbowl??
Give Sing a break, and who are you to say he isn’t defensive minded. You’re a Seahawks fan. How is it you know more about our coach than your own, who isn’t to bright himself!!
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
by rlott#42 on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't know Sing and we know Seattles coach more than he does
Mora was with us for several years.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you to say he IS defensive minded?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was our DC for a few years twit
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh..
… I think you may want to at least search Wikipedia (or even Google) for a Singletary bio and fix your comment (hopefully leaving out the twit part).
by sfgfan on Jul 14, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about Mora
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mora was our DC for 4 years
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i think frog
was referring to singletary when he said
Who are you to say he IS defensive minded?
I could be wrong. I’ve stayed out of this conversation for long enough, not sure why I’m commenting now. maybe just to make the post so thin along the side.
that has to be why.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol thanks
Cleared that up for me. My fault.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My appologies rlott#42
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Learn to follow a subthread, ‘twit’.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meet "^up"
It’s your friend.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 14, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FF. Are you insane?
Yesterday you didn’t know that he was the 49ers LB coach. You thought he was actually hired as a ‘motivational coach.’
Now this?
Mike Singletary was a HOF Middle Linebacker (LB’s play defense in case you don’t know) who was essentially a player/coach on what is commonly considered to be the greatest defense in the history of the NFL.
Yeah, I think that qualifies as ‘defensive minded.’
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Yeah, I think that qualifies as ‘defensive minded.’"
His playing days don’t mean anything when it comes to coaching strategy.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sing
Was assistent HC and Linebackers coach (For the Ravens and the 9ers) before becoming HC to the 9ers. That would make him defensive minded.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
As someone who saw him play often during his career and who listened to this guy talk dozens of times over the years, I can truly appreciate his brilliance, and that’s the best word for it. Old Frog and Little Drummer Boy are so basked in the darkness of negativity that they simply can’t see the light.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
It seems we are in stage 2 with frog and drummer.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 14, 2009 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Dingo ate your baby"....
That quote is just as obscure to this thread as your post is about Singletary.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summary: I have no idea what I'm talking about and am going to ignore all evidence towards the contrary.
Great job resorting to personal attacks, by the way.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No indication to you.
Others may have better perception and understanding. There are many indications of this, it just takes someone with the ability to recognize these talents and abilities. Don’t feel bad.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about naming an example rather than spouting off baseless BS?
I’ve had it up to here with some of the speculative drivel that gets posted at times and is tried to be passed off as fact.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are your facts supporting he isn't a strategist, FF?? Somebody please fill me in on this whole X's and O's crap!
We’ve had this debate before and no one other than a niner coach or player can provide facts to support that Sing isn’t a strategist or and x’s adn o’s guy. He does make adjustment on the sidelines to the defense. SO when he’s looking at photos and talking to willis is he cracking jokes? How can you be the captain on the field on a defense and not have some insight to provide. It sounds ridiculous to me.
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
by rlott#42 on Jul 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The burden of proof is on those who claim that Singletary is in fact a strategist.
I implore you to stop making these claims without any legit basis.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 13, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
indications
Would you please specify some of these indications for the people asking?
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
comment was for Kezarvet
I replied to him, not you in that instance.
He said:
Others may have better perception and understanding. There are many indications of this, it just takes someone with the ability to recognize these talents and abilities. Don’t feel bad
.
My comment in reply was asking for specific instances of this kind of “indication.” I’m not saying I agree or disagree with him, rather I just would like some examples of these “many indications.”
by Fooch on Jul 13, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're kinda hard to get here...
I guess because we DON’T KNOW, AND NEVER WILL.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kezarvet wrote this earlier (at 6:14):
As to Singletary, people fail to realize how ethereal this guy is. He’s a very deep thinker and a brilliant planner. His skills go far beyond motivation.
A few hours later (10:11), I just simply agreed with him.
That’s why when drummerboy says this:
A CHI fan picking beefs on every 49er board he can log into.
The drummer boy just (once again) reveals his ignorance.
Agreeing with kezarvet is ‘picking a beef?’
Laughable!
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it could
So what?
The Cardinals won the division. They won 9 games.
They were 6-0 in the division against two teams (S.F. & St. Louis) that fired their HC mid-season and one team (Seattle) that had a lame-duck HC and a ton of injuries.
Their other three wins?
- Miami at home in week two (who came into AZ. on a 1-16 streak).
- Buffalo at home (starting QB Trent Edwards was knocked out in the first quarter).
- Dallas at home (they had to go to overtime to beat Dallas, despite the fact that the Cowboys lost their starting QB & punter in the game).
All told the Cardinals went to the playoffs with a 9-7 record. They beat SEVEN losing teams and only TWO (Miami & Dallas) that had a winning record.
by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
without Jim McMahon there is no Steve Young
think about it….
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought about it.............No (site decorum) way this could ever be true!!
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
by rlott#42 on Jul 13, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you feel like
starting another firestorm of comments, ask Geo
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to Young
saying that he learned to play QB by watching Jim?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im going to puke
Steve Young=HOF QB. McMahon=Mediocre QB. If McMahon was sooo instrumental in Youngs success then why is he not in the fricken HOF? And using the system QB excuse is a load of crap because if McMahon was that great he would’ve been picked up by a good team as well. Young was traded for a 2nd round pick from the Bucs who sucked. No team would’ve ever given up a 2nd pick for McMahon.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Kill Me
You DO understand the situation here, DON’T You.
I didn’t say it . . . STEVE YOUNG said it, OK?
I’ll repeat (and go slow for you). I (GeoMak) didn’t say it, Steve Young said it. I’ve got it on DVD. I’ll be happy to send it to you.
When you criticize the statement, you’re not criticizing ME . . . you are criticizing STEVE!
Young made the comment about their days at BYU so really, this has NOTHING to do with the NFL.
Just so you understand it maveric, STEVE YOUNG made the statement. It came out of STEVE’S mouth.
BTW: The Bears drafted McMahon in the first round (#5 overall) so I don’t understand what you are talking about with your talk of a 2nd round pick.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 3:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve had a lot of concussions
He didn’t know what he was saying lol, What Im saying is the 9ers traded a 2nd round pick to the Bucs to get Steve. The Bears drafted Jim but there is no way in hell a team would’ve given up a 2nd round pick to the Bears for McMahon.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When?
In McMahon’s second year (teams would be lining up to trade a 2nd round pick).
In his tenth year. No way.
The story of McMahon isn’t one of length, it’s one of immediate impact.
Mike Greenberg of ‘Mike & Mike’ used to cover sports in Chicago before he moved on to ESPN. Recently (during the Cutler saga) he said this: “McMahon, during his early years in Chicago, was phenomenal.”
I know, I know, Greenberg’s Stupid. Just like GeoMak. And Steve Young has a scrambled brain.
And Mike Ditka (Who said: “Without McMahon, we don’t win the Super Bowl”) is also an idiot.
All thses people, who actually WATCHED the guy play (unlike you) are idiots. And you’re the genius.
You amuse me, my little friend.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditka is an idiot
Who trades their whole draft for one player?
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
killer stache though
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 14, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
logged in to say
LOL.. i really did
by Joshpreet on Jul 15, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Seifert doesn't get enough credit
The 4-6 defense is no longer around but now every team rotates their defensive line to keep the players fresh. I was going to say you were nuts for claiming the ’84 49ers defense was better than the ’85 Bears but will admit one seems to have a much better publicized.
by bignerd on Jul 13, 2009 1:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say the 49er defense of 1984 was the
Greatest defense of all time based upon their talent and coaching. Walsh was head coach and Seifert was the defensive coordinator. This was virtually an All-Star team that Eddie D. put together.
SECONDARY – The second team secondary was good enough to start for most other teams in the league. Jeff Fuller, Tom Holmoe, Mario Clark and Dana McLemore. Solid, quick, tough. Except they were our second string.
First team secondary of Ronnie Lott, Eric Wright, Dwight Hicks and Carlton Williamson all made the Pro Bowl. This was probably the greatest secondary of all-time.
LINEBACKERS – Hacksaw Reynolds, Keena Turner, Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison, Todd Shell, Jim Fahnhorst, Milt McColl, Mike Walter, Ron Ferrari.
DEFENSIVE LINE – Michael Carter, Fred Dean, Manu Tuiasosopo, Gary “Big Hands” Johnson, Jeff Stover, Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillers, Dwaine Board and Big Louie Kelcher.
BEST EVER.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That weird conversation up top....
Is weird.
From what I have seen it’s mostly just insults.
If you want to belittle a person you really shouldn’t do it here.
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 13, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
by the whole ordeal. I don’t quite follow what is going on. One dude is a Bears fan, but I’m not quite sure what the heck he is talking about.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 114 degrees outside today...
Just letting off steam here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch
I haven’t even had to turn on my air conditioning this summer.
The last time I saw 114 degrees was when I was preheating the oven.
Here's to Joe Perry, all-time leading rusher for the 49ers.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 13, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you live where it's 114 degrees?
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SoCal desert...
Much like AZ weather. But at least you can play golf year ’round. Well, not today.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping you lived in Phoenix
so we could meet up and I could kick your ASS (LOL)
(Actually, I’m pretty sure that, sight unseen, you could kick MY ass).
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that a lot...
LOL.
No hard feelings dude. It was one of those threads to get out the bad blood. I get your admiration for Singletary. But the reality is, Singletary isn’t that good of a coach yet to offset the shoddy FO, which was something I mentioned early when he was hired.
The dreaded Pro Football Prospectus forecast:
http://www.anonym.to/?http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2009/07/13/stat-gurus-at-football-outsiders-predict-rough-2009-for-49ers/#more-1561
I don’t mean to bag on Sing, but he would have to be even more than what you guys make him out to be with this team. The second half really didn’t mean much to me, because, well, it was what it was.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 13, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't take things personal at all
If you ever made it out to Phoenix I’d catch a Niner/Cards game with you.
I’d even go with methodrampage (or V & Zero)!
Singletary ‘potentially’ IMO, can be a great HC. He’s got greatness in his blood.
Whether he ends up great (or crappy) will depend on some things out-of-his control (like some player personnel decisions and how the players actually play) and one thing that’s 100% in his control: How well he performs as the ‘Head Man in Charge.’
Some rise to the occasion. Some shrivel up.
Only time will tell.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you did mean to rag
on Singletary. He isn’t that good of a coach yet? He already has a winning record. How many first-time coaches can say that?
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 14, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning 5 games..
Is a winning record?
Way to lower your bar there doofus.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Few interim HC's
ever post a winning record. For example, the longest tenured HC in the NFL is Jeff Fisher. In 1994, he became the interim HC of the Oliers after week 10.
Fisher posted a 1-5 as interim HC record and was immediately retained as permanent HC after the season.
To post ANY type of winning record when you come in and take over a sinking ship is an accomplishment, no matter who the opposition.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we happen to look at how those games..
Were won, and it wasn’t that different that what Nolan had done prior. You see, that’s what you’re missing here. You can’t compare Fisher’s situation to this one, no matter how much you dig into your almanac. Nolan won games late into the season too. That’s been the trend of this team. Now, Singletary may be in rarified air by winning those 5 games, but think about winning 4 with the 2005 team. Think about winning 7 with the 2006 team. Think about making a QB change in 2006 to win 2 games. Look at where and how those games were won.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Qb change, 2007*
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not missing anything
I remember Fisher’s tenure there as I knew the Oilers well back then.
For what it’s worth, no two situations are exactly the same, so what?
You guys make me laugh. Singletary was the LB coach. He almost certainly had little or any involvement wiith choosing the players on the team.
Since it was Nolan’s team he didn’t have ‘his’ system in place. He didn’t have an offseason or training camp with the team.
After a 2-5 start they threw Singletary the keys to the stalled car on the side of the road and said ‘Do something with it.’
What were you expecting in the last 9 games (with the same players that just went 2-5)?
We you expecting Singletary’s team to look like a SB team?
Nolan winning games late in the season (the trend of the team as you say) has nothing to do with it.
He:
A) Did something highly unusual for an interim (post any kind of winning record).
B) Started to change the attitude on the team (something guys like Montana publicly stated).
That’s about all you can do in nine games on a trial basis.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary..
Was Assistant HC and LB coach. You somehow know nothing about this team, so I had to point out again these things once more. 2 of those games could have easily been lost, and the second Ram game is where I saw Mike Nolan, part deux, during the first half in Singletary. He was that close to not getting this gig. That close.
But see, you’re an idiot who knows nothing about this team, so what does it matter?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God, you really don't know, do you?
You just don’t know what the F++K you are talking about son.
Let me explain.
Mike Singletary was LB coach with the Ravens.
Teams (like the Ravens) can block a coach who’s under contract from making a LATERAL move (for example, to folow Mike Nolan and to be the LB coach of the 49ers).
Teams can’t stop a coach from ‘moving up.’ From accepting a promotion.
A way to then make it so Mike Singletary can make a lateral move from the Ravens to the 49ers is to include the words ‘assistant HC’ in his new job description.
That way the old team (the Ravens) are powerless to stop the move.
The title ‘assistant HC’ is just that . . . a TITLE!
It means NOTHING!
It just allowed Singletary to make a lateral move from Baltimore to SF to coach the LINEBACKERS.
Happens all the time in the NFL. My God, you don’t know that son?
You really are an ignorant person, now aren’t you?
You call me an idiot? Classic. I forgot more about football than you’ll ever know.
Unbelievable. You don’t even know that the words ‘assistant HC’ essentially mean nothing.
You shoot your big mouth off and yet, you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.
Too funny. You amuse me.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, I know why he became Assistant HC
But check this:
Interim HC Singletary won 2 games by a combined 8 points.
8.
One point against the 2-14 Rams.
7 points against BUF, who won 2 out of their last 10 games.
Mike Singletary was never a coordinator, and even when Billy Davis crapped the bed, Singletary wasn’t promoted to DC. He was the Assistant HC. I guess Nolan could not identify his “Defensive genius”.
So, the perennial assistant who was never a co-ordinator got a HC job by a margin of 8 points against bad teams. A job no one outside of the 49ers would give him earlier. Just how did that happen?
Because of a title. He really is Blessed.
And you’re still a raging moron.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, No, No
Stop the BULLS++T please, for once in your life.
You said this: Was Assistant HC and LB coach.
If you knew that the ‘Assistant HC’ part was MEANINGLESS, you wouldn’t have brought it up.
You brought it up because you (STUPIDLY) thought that Singletary had more control and influence than he had.
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. it’s really just that simple.
Again (in order to educate you) the additional title ‘Assistant HC’ is essentially meaningless.
Mike Singletary was the LB coach son.
Now, let me further EDUCATE you. The man who has the highest winning percentage in the NFL is one John Madden.
Madden spent two years with the Raiders as their LINEBACKER COACH. He wasn’t the coordinator. He didn’t have the (MEANINGLESS) title of Assistant HC.
Hewas the LB coach with the Raiders before he was promoted to the HC’ing position.
JUST LIKE MIKE SINGLETARY!
Class dismisssed. (You amuse me, oh ignorant one).
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Singletary is Madden now?...
And Al Davis, the Al Davis of then, is running this team? Who ya gonna bring up next? Pre AFL/NFL merger stuff? Davis as HC?
Singeltary used to address this team in the locker room when Nolan was HC, so FF wasn’t far off of the mark when addressing the “motivation” thing. He wasn’t just the LB coach, idiot. Nolan thought well enough of him to give him the nod when he was forced to step down. 8 points against bad teams kept him here.
Jeebus, when are you gonna turn into a 49er fan? That way you would know about this team instead of being ignorant about them. I can only call you stupid so many times.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, change the subject
1. We all know (except certain dimwits) that MS is a ‘motivational type’ of person. After all, he worked as a MOTIVATIONAL speaker after his playing days were over.
That has NOTHING to due with the fact that FF IGNORANTLY didn’t know that MS was the 49er LB coach.
2. When you talked about MS NEVER being a coordinator I simply brought up the name of John Madden. H TOO never was a coordinator and he did alright for himself.
Of course, since you are so pathetic, you twist it around to make it look like I was saying that MS is John Madden now.
I made NO comparison between the two men EXCEPT to say that they were both LB coaches and NOT DC’s.
Listen son, anyone that DOESN"T know that the title ‘Assistant HC’ is MEANINGLESS is so far beneath me that it’s not even funny.
Are you proud of your ignorance?
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it with you?...
Why do you think Nolan brought over Singletary? Is wasn’t just for being an LB coach. Singeltary was his right hand man. He was respected in the FO, and it they trusted him with the keys to this team. He wasn’t a figurehead, you ragin’ freakin’ Neanderthal. They could have gone Manusky, but they went with Singletary. So you saying it was meaningless is just plain ignorance on your part. But again, you’re just plain ignorant anyway, so really, that’s on you, not me.
When you bring up a Madden, or anybody, bring the context in along with it, like the era, and someone like Davis, who had 3 winning records as HC before Rauch and Madden took over.
Context, idiot. Context.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so now if a coach
brings over some of his guys on staff then what?
So what?
Has nothing to do with your original (and MISTAKEN) point:
Singletary was the ‘Assistant HC’ in NAME only.
Coaches often asssert themselves (or not) with no regard to titles.
Bobb McKittrick of the 49ers was one of their most vocal coaches. he was just the O-line coach.
You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
I actually almost feel sorrry for someone who is so ignorant that they don’t know that the title of ‘Assistant HC’ is essentially meaningless.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel sorry for me...
I’m not a 49er fan jawing with a Bear fan on a Bear blog.
I think more people feel sorry for you.
As far as McKittrick: He knew more about that offense than anybody outside of Walsh, so he wasn’t just a line coach. He was more valuable teaching it than he was to call it.
The latest assistant HC just got the HC job. You call it meaningless. Think about it. You just called Singletary meaningless.
Wow.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was his title son
Here’s a hint (It wasn’t ‘Assistant HC’).
Why? Cause that’s a meaningless title.
And yet YOU (mistakenly) brought that up earlier, as if to show that Singletary had more authority and influence than he actually did.
Tee up another one, son.
by GeoMak on Jul 14, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note this...
I’m not your Son. Now would I want to be, because that would mena you spend more time with your computer than “teaching me” something like, well, football, and then I’d rather you on your computer.
I’m sure Singletary thought his title “meaningless”. I’m sure of that. His latest title must be even more “meaningless” since he doesn’t have the power his predecessor had.
But, you called his previous job “meaningless”.
That’s on you, not me.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drummer
Getting a little frustrated? Children call others names like idiot. He’s absolutely right. Singletary did under extreme circumstances what great coaches like Walsh, Johnson and Parcells could not. That’s a pretty good achievement for a dumb old linebacker with no coaching experience.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sample size
I really like Mike Singletary as head coach and I do think things are better under him. At the same time, the logical argument for not being over the moon about this quite yet is the fact that the 49ers did play some less than stellar opposition.
I certainly hope for the best for Singletary, but I’d also prefer to temper my enthusiasm at this point.
by Fooch on Jul 14, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said earlier..
the 49ers won by a combined eight points against 2 teams that were pretty bad, yet those two teams had a shot to win, and really, they should have won those games.
kezar and Geo are comparing him to HOF coaches, something the Singletary would not dare to do himself. Of course, they know something we don’t, yet are very cryptic on what they know. Which is, like everyone at this point, nothing.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LEAGUE'S. EASIEST. SECOND-HALF. SCHEDULE.
BEAT. ONLY. ONE. TEAM. WITH. A. WINNING. RECORD.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He already has a winning record."
AGAINST THE NFL’S EASIEST SECOND-HALF SCHEDULE, AND ONLY BEATING ONE TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD IN THAT SPAN.
Why is this concept so hard to grasp for some?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost Raiderfan like.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 14, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AZ Weather
gets a bad rap. Everyone thinks of AZ as the southern desert. The central part of the state is GREEN. I’m at 4500 feet and the weather is beautiful. Not a single day has hit 100, not many have been in the 90s. It’s been mostly 70s and 80s for months. Very little rain — clear air.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 13, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the Cards play is hotter than hell. But you are right about AZ weather having a bad rap.
Love the hot weather though. And that stadium is sweet.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the position of HC is the most important position
on an NFL team and simply agreed with kezarvet’s assessment of Mike Singletary.
I think (IN MY OPINION) that kezarvet is 110% correct when it comes to the essence of Mike Singletary.
That’s all.
by GeoMak on Jul 13, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal battle
I think most people have stopped reading this post, so GeoMak and drummer can feel free to continue waging their battle. However, as I stated in the Football Outsiders front page post, do not take your battle to other posts. Otherwise I’ll just start automatically deleting your comments and close this FanPost to further comments.
by Fooch on Jul 14, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just close this
I’m sick of it.
If they want to continue insulting themselves they can just exchange e-mails and continue their “conversation”
by chikmagnet_565 on Jul 15, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In summary
There isn’t a large enough sample size to judge Singletary as a Head Coach. Looking at the amount of trolling and childish bickering that ensues on this blog makes me sad. Hopefully the gameday threads are a little more high quality than this garbage.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 15, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
game threads
This kind of BS is not allowed in game threads. In reality it’d be cut off a lot sooner once we get into the season. I probably should have cut this off sooner.
by Fooch on Jul 15, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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