49ers All-Time QB #1
In a bit of an upset, Joe Nedney reversed the 2008 ballot and earned the all-time kicker position over Ray Wersching, claiming 51% of the vote. I'm not shocked by the result, but intrigued by the reversal from a year ago.
With training camp a little over a week away, we'll be getting into more immediate topics of discussion pretty much through the end of the season. Before we get there, I figured one of the more contentious positions should be discussed in our all-time team. A year ago Montana ran away with 76% of the vote. Some people like Young more than Montana, but when it comes to the all-time team, folks went with the rings. It actually seemed like the debate was more about why people voted for Jeff Garcia. Either way, the 49ers have had a host of impressive quarterbacks dating back to the likes of Y.A. Tittle. So, who's your
Joe Montana (1979-1992): I could include absolutely nothing here and it wouldn't matter. Joe Montana was the face of the 49ers in the 80s as they went from perennial doormat to Team of the 80s. Montana stands #1 in franchise history in career passing yards, touchdowns, completions and of course Super Bowl rings. In polls of who you would want leading your team down with less than 2 minutes to go, most people take Montana. While he was surrounded by plenty of talent, he made the most of it and was a leader of his teams.
Steve Young (1987-1999): It's fitting that Young and Montana will be battling for the starting position. After years in Montana's shadow, Steve Young got the proverbial monkey off his back in 1994 with one of the greatest single seasons. Young finished his career with the greatest QB rating in NFL history. While he may not have had the sped of a Vick, Steve Young was one of the truly great rushing quarterbacks in NFL history. Combine that with uncanny accuracy and you're talking about an all-around threat rarely seen in NFL history.
John Brodie (1957-1973): Brodie finished his career third in the NFL in all-time passing yards and ranks as one of the greatest players NOT in the NFL Hall of Fame. Brodie ranks second in 49ers history in passing yards and third in touchdowns, while playing for plenty less than stellar teams.
Y.A. Tittle (1951-1960): While Tittle spent plenty of time in Baltimore and New York, his formative years came with the 49ers as a 4-time Pro Bowler. Considering the slowly developing passing game back in the day, 16,000+ yards in San Francisco is nothing to sneeze at.
Jeff Garcia (1999-2003): While we might all agree Jeff Garcia was not the greatest quarterback on straight numbers, he certainly ranks up there for what he did in spite of his shortcomings. Garcia was rescued from the CFL by Bill Walsh in one of his best moves since trading for Steve Young. Garcia was a 3-time pro Bowler in his five seasons and in spite of such a short tenure, he ranks 4th in franchise history for passing yards and fifth in passing touchdowns. While he was certainly not a scrambler the caliber of Steve Young, he was quite fleet of foot, which helped for his lack of traditional passing tools. And the fact that he had to put up with T.O. certainly counts for something.
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There needs to be some sort of Super Vote button for Joe Cool ...
… Something that says “I vote not just for Joe Montana but for there to not even be any other options” ;)
by LondonNiner on Jul 20, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure if you had Shaun Hill in this poll..
He would get a lot of votes. I’m sure of it.
Call it the Nedney factor.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So true.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 20, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I voted...
Joe. I mean, come on.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 20, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
No Steve DeBerg? LoL!
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous
to leave Frankie Albert off this list. In 1948, when the Cleveland Browns went undefeated and Otto Graham was the Joe Montana of the era, Frankie Albert had one of the greatest seasons ever by a 49er quarterback. The Niners finished 12-2. Albert completed 154 out of 264 passes for 1990 yards and 29 TOUCHDOWNS. His passer rating was 102.9. He also rushed 69 times for 349 yards and a 5.1 per carry average and 8 TDs! Oh, and he also punted 35 times for a 44.8 average and a long punt of 82 yards.
He was so great that season that the league felt it was ridiculous to leave him off the first string All-Pro team so they listed him as the first string Running Back. I saw Frankie play many times and he was far superior to all but Joe, Steve, and perhaps Y.A. Garcia couldn’t have carried his jock.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 20, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
i was going to complain about Frankie Albert not being on here too.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Jul 20, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One good season?
Actually, all four of the seasons he played in the AAFC were very good. However, Albert was a 30 year old QB once the 49ers joined the NFL. He played his rookie season in the AAFC at age 26 after serving for four years in World War II. In those days, players often retired around the age of 30. Back to the one good season. The year I described above was 1948, one of the greatest in Niner history and easily the greatest of the early years.
So what did he do the next season? This season, in only 12 games, he threw 27 TD passes and rushed 35 times for 249 yards and a 7.1 average and 3 TDs. He punted 31 times for a league leading and all-time 49er average of 48.2! No, Frankie wasn’t the best 49er QB of all time, but he was exciting to watch and definitely belongs on this list next to Tittle and Brodie. Garcia was good, but a cut below.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 21, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be absolutely ridiculous if it mattered. Seriously, it’s not like Montana was left off the list.
You want to know what absolutely ridiculous is? Absolutely ridiculous is Jeff Garcia getting 14 votes. 14 people thus far voted for Garcia over both Montana and Steve Young. Seriously.
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by JRPhillips on Jul 21, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
I’m of the opinion that it’s a travesty that Jeff Garcia isn’t winning this in a landslide victory!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 21, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like the frog
has finally fallen off his lily pad. Likely trying stretch for one last bug.
Just playing …
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 21, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your wordsmith, everyone.
He’ll be here all week!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 21, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I <3 him so.
I still don’t understand why the 49ers didn’t keep him, maybe they wouldn’t have drafted Alex Smith and they’ve been mired in mediocrity ever since Garcia left.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was great with T.O.
I loved him scrambling to the line of scrimage and barely throwing it before he crossed it. that was entertaining football!
by dalien82 on Jul 20, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Jeff Garcia soon became one of my all-time favorite players.
Even nearing 40 he was up to his old shenanigans in Tampa, made the Seahawks defense look silly.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 20, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to wikipedia
It was because he had a sub-par season in 2003. We went 7-9 after going 10-6 and winning the division the year before. It was a horrible decision and screwed us up
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Jul 20, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Garcia
didn’t even have a winning record as 49ers QB. Let’s keep it real.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 22, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wins are not a QB stat.
Are you going to tell me Shaun Hill is better than Jeff Garcia during his tenure in SF because of his extremely misleading 7-3 record as a starter?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 22, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wins are not a QB stat?
Not sure what planet you are from but wins are everything to a QB. Ask Marino about Super Bowl wins.
I’m going to tell you that Garcia put up two big seasons on mediocre running teams and had to air it out. He lost more games than he won — fact.
So far, Hill hasn’t played enough games to compare, however, he is 7-3 and 5-0 at home so, no matter whom the opponent, he is doing something right. Let’s compare notes after this season. If Hill goes 10-6 or better, then yes he’s better than Jeff.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Jul 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiiight.
You write off Garcia’s good years saying that he had to air it out and that’s why he had statistically good seasons, and yet, you believe Hill is better if he goes 10-6 with a more balanced team? Teams KNEW Garcia was going to throw, and he still pulled it off. Hill doesn’t have to worry about that if Singletary/Raye get their way.
As for wins being everything to a QB, they just aren’t. It’s a fun conversational piece, but to say one QB is better because of his wins is utterly ridiculous because, you know, there are 52 other guys (or 47 if you’re looking at the active roster) contributing to wins, too. Would you suggest that Eli Manning is better than Dan Marino because he actually won a Super Bowl? Or heck, lets go off the wall here and ask this: do you think Trent Dilfer is better than Marino because he has on Super Bowl win?
Wins are great, and of course any team strives for it, but it’s exactly that: the TEAM strives for it. The QB can only do so much, and saying wins, or losses, are everything to a QB is flat out wrong.
by sfgfan on Jul 22, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think Trent Dilfer is better than Marino because he has on Super Bowl win?
Hell yeah! Did Marino ever spend time as a Niner???
Haha, I kid! Dilfer sucked!
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by JRPhillips on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill can go undefeated next season,
and still wouldn’t be worthy of sniffing Garcia’s jockstrap. He’s not even the same caliber of QB. Only a moron thinks QBs are any more responsible for a win than the WR who catches the ball, lineman who blocks, CB who covers, etc.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if the 49ers go undefeated this season with Hill under center, considering the level of talent surrounding him and the caliber of opponents the Niners would have to beat to go undefeated, I’m going to say that yes… That would probably make Hill better than Garcia. I doubt Hill would put up mediocre numbers while going undefeated.
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by JRPhillips on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
garcia was ok as our qb, we gave up on him too soon i think.
by shoulderlean on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We let a lot of good player go..
Andre Carter, Julian peterson one my favorite all time, Jerry and Joe both before their times.
by Mullester on Jul 20, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No sh....
Some things will never make any sense, guess we all have screwed up big time, at some somtime in our lives… Hope for the best for all of us…
by WC-Ninerhead on Jul 20, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Peterson made sense.
He was coming off a major injury that very few people come back 100% from and he wanted to be shown the big bucks. I mean, it might have been a better idea to franchise tag him or something to ensure he wouldn’t sign with a divisional team, but I sure as hell wouldn’t have gave him the huge contract. Garcia leaving was disappointing, though. I mean, are they going to let go of every player who had a bad season?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 21, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all made sense
Montana was being out played by Young when the Niners let him walk. Andre Carter didn’t fit the 3-4 the Niners were transitioning to so why bring him back? And Rice didn’t look all that impressive, by his own standards, in his last two seasons as a 49er and the emergence of the #3 WR of all time made him expendable.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 22, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was, and still am, a huge fan of Garcia… But voting for him over Montana or Young is silly, to say the least.
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by JRPhillips on Jul 21, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same question...
to consider anyone else to be the ALL TIME QB other than Joe and Steve is insane….
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Jul 20, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i voted for the real qb with ice in his veins
joe montana I d believe he had a better defense and offense than steve and steve lost a lot of years behind him but it is wht it is. hey fooch kudos to this mobile commenting its greeeeeeeat
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by rlott#42 on Jul 20, 2009 10:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Steve Young is the man!
This poll (as well as every conversation I have with an old school Niner fan) is a reminder of exactly why I can’t get into this debate with anyone. People are so one track minded about this subject, it’s always “Joe won 4 Super Bowls, end of story”. No one will ever admit that if Joe were drafted by anyone accept Bill Walsh, he may have simply fallen into obscurity. Don’t get me wrong Joe was a savage, but without Walsh’s intricate offense and suffocating defense we never would have laid our path of destruction through the 80’s. Steve Young came on as a starter to a team in transition from a decade of Walsh (a master talent evaluator), over to George Seifert. Now I liked Seifert but he had nowhere near the leadership ability nor the eye for talent that Walsh did, and as time went by that became more and more evident as most of our stars (McDonald, Norton Jr.,Plummer etc.) came from elsewhere. Young lost Craig & Rathman in the backfield as well as Lott (one of the top 5 defensive players of all time) & Haley on defense, not to mention many others. Still he won passing title’s, MVP’s & a Super Bowl all while helping us remain a perenial powerhouse thruout the 90’s, and he did it all with a supporting cast that simply didn’t compare to Joe’s (Jerry Rice excluded, as he played with both). Oh and lets not forget that dominant Cowboys team that stood in our way every year, name a team other than the Niners that was even close to that good consistantly in the 80’s. All i’m saying is that when you think of the 80’s Niners what come’s to mind? Walsh, Montana, Lott, Craig, Rice, Taylor, Haley, Wright and I can keep going. How about the 90’s Niners? Young to Rice or Jones, the end! One more thing, where’s the love for Tittle I mean he’s the OG.
by Psykill55 on Jul 20, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That '94 team was pretty loaded...
A healthy Montana would have won with that team too.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 20, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
So what? A healthy Steve Young could have won with the teams Joe did.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who
in the bluest of blue hells voted for Jeff Garcia?
by Blank x2 on Jul 20, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be funny...
to have a greatest qb and wr poll on a team like the bears ;)
by tenjay on Jul 21, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sexy Rexy!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 21, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he taught Steve Young everything he knows about playing QB!
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by JRPhillips on Jul 21, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems plausible indeed!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 21, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame he didn't teach Young how to rap
or rock that sweat head band.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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