Golden Nuggets: Getting Kinda Hard to Crank That Crabtree Without a Contract...

by Ninjames on Jul 26, 2009 3:00 AM PDT in Golden Nuggets Comment 19 comments

Good morning everyone, James here with your Nuggets for the day. Of interest to day is, to my dismay, another article concerning Michael Crabtree and the issues in getting his contract done. Word is, as you can expect, he wants to get paid better than a 10th overall pick. What he doesn't seem to understand is, this rarely ever happens and its looking like this will go until him and his agent cave in. It should be interesting to see if the Niners end up scrambling to get a deal done at this point. Either way, I've only got a few links for you today, and I'm not too sure there will be any updating material later, but we'll see. Enjoy, folks.

So exactly how bad is the situation between the two: WR Michael Crabtree and the 49ers? (ProFootballTalk.com)

A somewhat depressing article on Shaun Hill, the college he went to, and his football memories. (SacBee.com)

Barrows moves on to wide receivers in his analysis of the 49ers' roster. Who the [site decorum] is Dobson Collins? (SacBee.com)

Gore is getting ready for a good fantasy season--I really hate headlines like these, I mean, I'd like to think he's getting ready for a GOOD season altogether, yeah? (ProFootballWekly.com)

Here's an interesting article to round things off: Alex Smith was NOT the answer. (IndianJim.net)

Just in case you didn't hear during the Nate Davis signing news, the 49ers waived safety Lewis Baker. What cuts are to follow, perhaps? (ESPN.com)

Five games to watch in the NFC West. Hey, the 49ers are on there! Awesome! (ESPN.com)

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this is the first ive heard of alex smith being the favrite from the inside

http://www.nfpost.com/Weekend-Notes-Whats-Cribbs-Worth.html

by larryallenseawolf on Jul 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"inside"

Not sure how much I buy into “inside sources” at this point. And I think that the wording of that info is a bit suspect.

I also don’t necessarily buy the last line of that section:

But Smith will still have to hold off Shaun Hill throughout August in what should be his last chance as a starter in the league — and most likely his last chance to show 49ers management that he’s part of their future plans.

If Alex Smith doesn’t work out for the 49ers, I’d be willing to bet money he would get another shot to start with another team.

by Fooch on Jul 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And what team is that?

Because I’m having trouble envisioning a team that would bother trying out Smith as a backup, let alone give him the reigns as a starter.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 26, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

who knows

But he wouldn’t be the first busted pick to get a second chance somewhere. I just think for the writer to make such a statement is a bit exaggerated.

by Fooch on Jul 26, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem with Smith in particular,

is that his career numbers are astoundingly bad. If that’s not enough to scare every team away, his lack of potential to develop does. I mean, we all say he can, but that’s only in comparison to Shaun Hill and because he’s young. Smith is not exceptionally athletic, doesn’t possess a terrific arm, not notably mobile, makes awful reads, and is extremely slow through his progressions. While the latter two could be fixed by great coaching, a team with the staff necessary to do that still wouldn’t bother due to the former reasons, and those can’t be taught.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 26, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does anybody pay you for your scouting services?

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Jul 27, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's fetched me millions!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 27, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a waste of money.

Coming out of college Smith was considered quite athletic and mobile for a QB. He was also extremely accurate (which is a key metric in determining success of a QB at the NFL level) completing something like 68% of his passes and was quite smart. Maybe it’s possible Nolan gave Smith some kind of athleticism stripping serum but I doubt it.

I’m curious just how many times you’ve seen Alex Smith play? The five games he’s started against the Seahawks?

It’s true that as a 22 year old Smith put up historically bad numbers on a piss poor team. But it’s also true that as 23 year old, in his second season in the NFL, he showed improvement. Then 2007 happened and one could argue about how healthy/injured Smith was during that season but eventhough Smith is entering his 5th season he really only has 32, or two seasons worth, of games under his belt and is still only 25.

I guess the Cowboys were geniuses in not letting Romo go by the time he was 25. And why if Brady Quinn has so much promise as a 25 does Smith not?

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Jul 27, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"He was also extremely accurate (which is a key metric in determining success of a QB at the NFL level) completing something like 68% of his passes and was quite smart."

Yes, because completing nearly 70% of his passes in a shotgun formation spread offense was going to translate to the NFL.

“But it’s also true that as 23 year old, in his second season in the NFL, he showed improvement.”

A 1:1 TD/INT ratio is only an improvement if you put up very, very, bad numbers before.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 27, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Accuracy is accuracy

How many 23 year olds can sport a 1:1 TD/INT ratio? How many 23 22 year olds are thrown to the lions, and I by no means mean the Detriot Lions, right out of the gate? Its also not like Smith walked into an offense loaded with talent, he had very little talent surrounding him and was extremely young. He’s still pretty young. I don’t think Hasselbeck had an NFL start under his belt by the time he was 25.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Jul 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick, and not the #1 overall.

It’s not Smith’s fault he was thrown to the wolves, but it’s hard to deny that Smith was a very poor prospect coming out of the draft.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 27, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

very poor prospect?

I don’t think a very poor prospect gets drafted #1 overall. Alex Smith wasn’t a flashy prospect, and certainly not the best prospect in the draft. However, the 49ers needed a QB, and were staring the #1 pick in the eyes. It was either Smith or Rodgers.

I wouldn’t say Smith was a very poor prospect, because despite the 49ers drafting him #1, he was still projected as a first round talent.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 27, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

if Crabtree holds out, I’ll cry. I’ll then post the video on youtube, and you guys can flame me all you want. But I will cry if Crab is a hold out. :*(

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 26, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You shouldn't take it personally if he does.

If Crabtree does hold out, it’s not because of some character issue or a shaky commitment to the team or something. Put yourself in his shoes. Your career in the NFL is no given thing, so you’d want the biggest guaranteed payday you can just in case you don’t work out.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 26, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL at this posting

Ftfxr says:
So…………. can the Raiders say Hayward-Bey was not really a #7 pick and tell his agent they want to pay him like a 2nd rounder?

Response the article where Crabtree’s agent, Agent Eugene Parker, says Crabtree is better than his draft position indicates, and that he should be paid accordingly.

by bignerd on Jul 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm still holding out hope

that all of this doesn’t hold a lot of truth, and that Parker isn’t demanding more money because Crab should’ve went higher. We still need to see DHB’s contract, and we still need to see the number 9 picks money. The fact that Aaron Maybin is holding out (the no. 11 pick) leads me to believe the media wants to create speculation that the number 10 pick wants to hold out too.

I stand by my prediction that Crabtree will be in 49ers uniform the day training camp practices begin. He’s behind the curve as it is, and the team needs him to have immediate impact (I’m not saying flashy numbers) on the roster. We’ve got a cluster of WRs right now, and we need our rookie to play.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly, I don't think he'd miss much if he didn't show up on time.

I’m assuming that the coaches don’t go all-out the first day. John Carlson held out a couple of days into camp and he turned out okay.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 26, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Smith has not had a large enough sample of play to be legitimately and statistically declared a bust. "

This is sort of odd. I mean, look at it this way. Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith were drafted in the same year, same round. Rodgers just got rewarded with a lucrative contract extension in 2008 due to his excellent performance after around only 8 games. Smith just restructured his deal to where he’s paid something like a backup so he wouldn’t be axed from the team. It’s hard to feel optimistic at this point that he’s just going to defy his past performance and become a good QB.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 26, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

dude

you crack me up. you remind me so much of Bill O’Reilly, pretending so hard to be fair and balanced but actually just spouting biased bullshit, go back to your own boards until you have something meaningful to say

by foosball4949 on Jul 28, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs