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Mining your way to fantasy gold - 49ers edition

Greetings Niners Nation, recently I was approached by Fooch to write front page articles here at NN. To put it simply, I was absolutely thrilled and without hesitation accepted the opportunity.  This is the main reason I've gone from "Dre" to "Andrew Davidson" (if anyone noticed).  The NFL is easily my favourite sport to follow - you’ll notice some extra "u"s in my writing (like favourite) it’s not an error, I’m Canadian. While my mind and body reside in Ontario, my heart is in San Francisco (points for cheese?). Being a fan of both the 49ers and the NFL, I really enjoy participating in fantasy football each season. Over the course of my years, I’ve grown from a 49er homer, to a shrewd fantasy GM (well I like to think so). I’ve also studied journalism and philosophy in my university/college days, so you’ll understand why I am sometimes in outer space.

During my (hopefully long) time here, I will be writing columns with a focus on fantasy football. In August, you’ll be treated (or sedated) with a fantasy preview of each NFL team. My primary focus over the long haul: the San Francisco 49ers. With this in mind I ask the Nation: what type of suggestions do you have with regards to 49ers-related fantasy material (or fantasy material in general)? Also, what type of leagues do you guys prefer to play in (keeper leagues, 12-14 man leagues, etc.)? The more input the better, and I’m curious just how many of us here at Niners Nation follow fantasy football. Onto my debut column...

Over the course of the preseason, a lot of discussion has gone towards the team’s coaching staff, positional analysis and chances of success. What we haven’t talked a lot about, is the fantasy value of the San Francisco 49ers. Which 49er players are worth drafting, and what kind of fantasy production can we expect?

Over the past few days, I participated in 30 mock drafts, using Yahoo! Sports Mock Draft tool. This is a fantastic feature Yahoo! offers, and it is free. If you want to scout out what players are being selected when, this is a great tool for you. Of the 30 drafts I participated in, I recorded which 49ers players were drafted, and where (and how often).

49ers Appearing in Mock Drafts:

  • Frank Gore – Avg. Selection* 13; Percent Drafted 100%
  • Michael Crabtree – Avg. Selection 95; Percent Drafted 100%
  • Vernon Davis – Avg. Selection 142; Percent Drafted 70%
  • Isaac Bruce – Avg. Selection 141; Percent Drafted 10%
  • Joe Nedney – Avg. Selection 140; Percent Drafted 3.3%
  • San Francisco DEF – Avg. Selection 125; Percent Drafted 6.7%

*-100th selection=10th pick, round 10 in 10 team leagues; 6th pick, round 9 in 12 team leagues; 3rd pick, round 8 in 14 team league


After the jump, I breakdown the 49ers mentioned, and I've got a question for Niners Nation at the end of the column...

Star-divide

Let me begin by saying do not draft Shaun Hill if you are playing in a standard league.  When referring to standard league, I mean a 10-12 team league, with basic fantasy scoring rules, and a roster of 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 1 K, and 1 Team DEF.  A player like Shaun Hill won’t serve a lot of fantasy purpose, mainly because there are 32 starting QBs in the NFL, and you’ll be fighting for one of the top 12.  It is safe to say Shaun Hill is not a top 12 quarterback in fantasy football (or the NFL).  If Shaun Hill wins the starting job, teams will be better prepared to face him in 2009.  Now, on to everyone’s favourite fantasy 49er.

Frank Gore

Frank Gore typically was the most popular 49er taken, and for good reason.  Gore is the feature running back, and the team’s offense rests on his shoulders.  While Gore doesn’t pile up the TD total, he certainly gets the ball enough to be a valuable starting RB on your fantasy squad.  Since you likely won’t have to invest a first round selection on Gore, he’s one of the better compliments to your stud RB.  Glenn Coffee should only provide positive impact on Gore’s fantasy game, helping keep Gore’s legs fresh and productive for a full season.  Coffee may steal some goal line carries, and TDs, but as previously stated Gore is not a TD factory in the first place.

In 2008, Gore finished 14th amongst RBs in fantasy scoring; in 2007, 10th.  Gore will score enough points to warrant starting, and is a top-tier RB2.  If drafting 8th or 9th in a 10-man league, you should be able to find Gore on the way back in round 2. In 12 or 14+ team leagues, Gore is hands down a first round selection and lower-tier RB1.  Fantasy Forecast:  1600 total yards, 8 total TDs

Michael Crabtree

Is it a surpise to anyone that the second most popular fantasy 49er is Michael Crabtree?  The Texas Tech rookie scored 41 TDs in two seasons with the Red Raiders, so it’s easy to see why people are drafting Crab in the fantasy game.  It would be silly to think Crabtree can score 19 or 22 TDs in his rookie season, but with most fantasy rosters requiring 3 starting WRs, Crabtree may be a nice fourth option to rotate in against favourable match-ups.  The 49ers offense relies heavily upon the success of the running game, and if it can open up the passing game, Michael Crabtree should score some TDs.  He’ll be battling with Josh Morgan, Brandon Jones and Isaac Bruce for playing time, but his upside is too good to pass on from a fantasy perspective.

Some rookie WRs had success in 2008, like Eddie Royal (20th amongst WRs in fantasy points), DeSean Jackson (28th) and Donnie Avery (44th), so it’s not a complete stretch to say Crabtree could produce immediately.  He’ll be a marginal WR3, and a pretty decent option as depth on the bench, especially if you can grab him in the early 100s.  Fantasy Forecast:  750 total yards, 6 Total TDs

Isaac Bruce

Speaking of 49ers receiving targets, Isaac Bruce and Vernon Davis were two other names that popped up in the mock drafts.  Bruce was only selected 3 times, and for good reason.  The aging Isaac Bruce likely won’t repeat his 2008 numbers, which saw him ranked 25th in WR scoring.  With second year man Josh Morgan developing, and newly signed Brandon Jones, Bruce could see limited chances in a run heavy offense.  Bruce’s fantasy impact in 2009 isn’t worth risking a draft pick on, and he’d be a much better waiver wire acquisition.  The same can be said about Morgan and Jones, don’t worry about drafting these guys.  Fantasy Forecast:  400 total yards, 2 Total TDs

Vernon Davis

Vernon Davis, on the other hand, may be worth selecting as a reserve tight end in round 15.  With the Mike Martz system gone, Davis stands a better chance to repeat his 2007 numbers (15th in TE scoring), than his 2008 totals (27th).  Much speculation around 49ers camp is regarding Jimmy Raye’s system, and its potential of prominent production from the tight end.  While the truly hopeful 49ers fans are anticipating the arrival of Tony Gonzalez in the form of Vernon Davis, it’s unlikely to happen.  That’s not to say VD won’t produce, but don’t draft him anticipating top 5 scoring numbers.  Davis isn’t much more than a reserve on fantasy teams, even in a TE-friendly system.  Fantasy Forecast: 500 total yards, 4 Total TDs

Joe Nedney

For a player that finished 12th amongst kickers in 2008, I’m a bit surprised that Joe Nedney’s name didn’t appear more often.  Nedney might be the 49ers most valuable offensive weapon, and at the very least, he’s dependable.  In most fantasy leagues a 40+ yard FG is worth 4 points, and Nedney’s accuracy beyond 40 yards is impressive (29 of 34 from 40+; 6 of 11 from 50+ since 2005).  Don’t put too much stock in Nedney’s 26th finish in 2007; the 49ers offense was simply brutal.  On the flip side, Nedney definitely benefited from San Francisco’s poor red zone offense in 2008.    Regardless, Nedney is worth considering as your fantasy kicker, as he was held without a FG in just two contests in 2008.  Fantasy Forecast:  27 FGM; 37 XPM

San Francisco – Team DEF

In 2008, San Francisco fantasy defense finished 23rd in scoring.   A big problem for the 49ers was a lack of pass rush; the team totalled just 30 sacks.  With no consistent pass rush, the team intercepted just 12 passes, and recovered 6 fumbles.  The bright side of things was on special teams, where the team blocked 3 kicks (2 went for a TD).  The team defense as a unit had 3 TDs, a respectable, yet average total.  In 2009, the 49ers have a challenging schedule; one forces me to recommend staying away from drafting the unit.  If you are in a pinch, SF vs. STL in week 4 is a favourable matchup early on in the season.  After that, week 10 vs. CHI is a potentially good start, but the 49ers don’t face a truly favourable matchup until week 16 vs. DET (most fantasy league’s title game).  Fantasy Forecast: 35 sacks, 14 INTs, 10 FR, 3 TDs, 2 Blk Kicks

Ask the Nation

My question to Niners Nation:  Will Josh Morgan be the most productive fantasy WR on the team in 2009? 

First, my thoughts on the subject:  I’ve projected Crabtree (750 yards, 6 TDs) and Bruce (400 yards, 2 TDs), because they were the only two WRs to appear in the mock drafts.  Right now, you’ll get a bonus Josh Morgan forecast, free of charge.   Fantasy Forecast:  600 total yards, 4 TDs

All fantasy stats were based on Yahoo! default scoring in public leagues from 2008 and 2007.

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What is this? Common sense?

“It is safe to say Shaun Hill is not a top 12 quarterback in fantasy football (or the NFL). If Shaun Hill wins the starting job, teams will be better prepared to face him in 2009.”

Down with homerism! Hooray for real analysis!

by Indiana Jim on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Likewise, Hill being the starting QB from the beginning of the season may also better prepare him week to week, by getting the bulk of the repetitions and help him game plan against other teams.

See what I did there? I turned your analysis back around on ya.

by aBulldog on Jul 29, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except...

… you know that there was no problem providing Hill with practice reps week to week after he took over the starting job last season, right? It’s not like they were holding competition and giving O’Sullivan reps to see if he could earn back the starting role.

The onus is definitely on Hill to prove he can adjust to any league adjustments to him.

by sfgfan on Jul 29, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

May not be a fantasy pick but

he was the 12th rated QB in all category by the Nfl stats.He may not shine like some bright stars including Eli Manning and McNabb (tied for 14th overall ) or Farve @ 21st and Roslisbeger at 24th. All I want him to do is what he did last year, call good games, make plays and WIN !!! I think he can and that is way I’m going to back him until otherwise !

by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 29, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you should have went with Commenter Formerly Know as Dre

but Andrew works too. Seriously though good work, I look forward to reading more of your stuff. Hopefully it will help me out, since this will only be my second season of Fantasy Football (i’m more of a Fantasy Baseball fan)

and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42

by 49erLou on Jul 29, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

starting August 3rd

I’ll be putting up a fantasy analysis of each team each day until I run out of NFL teams.

At the very least, I hope you can enjoy my forecasts.

Fantasy baseball involve a bit more strategy (daily matchups), but football makes it tough because you only get one chance per week to put in your best lineup.

And thank you for the kind words. I was going to go with just a symbol, instead of my name, but opted not to. ;)

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crabtree

If Crabtree wants to have any fantasy value he will need someone other than Shaun Hill or Alex Smith throwing the ball. As a Viking fan I know what it is like not to be sure of your QB, but I would take Sage or T.Jack over those two duds any day.

GregP

by VikesPma on Jul 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't say anything

regarding Sage or T.Jack right now.

Crabtree does need a reliable QB throwing him the ball, so its important one of the guys steps up and is the clear cut QB.

At this point, I’m not terrified of a Crab holdout hurting his fantasy value, but if he doesn’t get signed and preseason games start happening, I might get worried.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gore

I play a lot of fantasy football, and I’ve already drafted in 3 leagues for the 2009 season. I had Gore as my #8 overall pick for pre-draft rankings & also my #8 RB (not a fan of taking WR or QB in round 1).

In the first league, I took Forte (my #3) at #7, then took Drew Brees at #14 (Gore went at #13).

In the second league, I took S. Jackson (my #4) at #9, then took C. Johson (my #5) at #12. (Gore went at #13).

In the third league, I took Chris Johnson (my #5) at #7, then took S. Slaton (my #7) at #14. (Gore went at #15)

These are all 10 team standard scoring – league 3 is more of an expert league with a $75 buy-in.

The moral of the story is that depending on personal preference, unless your picking in the 6th spot or earlier & get lucky in the second round, more than likely someone who picked a WR or QB in the first round will reach higher for Gore than someone who picks RB RB.

by 49ers Rule on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I certainly cannot debate your draft methods

I may not have Chris Johnson as high as 5 though. Mr. White scores quite a few TDs, and Steve Slaton doesn’t share a committee. Like Johnson, Slaton has a knack for ripping off big plays, so I think his fantasy value is much higher than Johnson’s. Also, where is Brian Westbrook on your board? I assume your top 3 are Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Forte. Where is Mo-Jo-Drew on your board?

I agree that the primary focus to draft in round 1 is RB. If you’re in a 10-team league, and have the shot at landing Frank Gore as your RB2 you’re in fantastic position as it is. At this point, I’d select Gore over Chris Johnson. Gore is not in a committee, and is a great all-purpose back. I like Chris Johnson as an NFL player, but LenDale White limits CJ’s fantasy value a bit.

Any suggestions on what you’d like to see in future fantasy related things?

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pancake Blocks – “Keep the Lead” LenDale losing value

More supporting evidence for taking Chris Johnson #5 overall =)

by 49ers Rule on Jul 30, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

"you’ll notice some extra "u"s in my writing (like favourite) it’s not an error, I’m Canadian"

It’s not an error – it’s perfect English! From another member of the “U” club, albeit the UK branch of the “U” club, good luck, Dre, with the articles.

by LondonNiner on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think the hardest & most interesting thing to report on for fantasy football is hot waiver wire pickups & sit/start type posts. There’s an overload of information on the net about the top 10-15 players at each position. It’s the RB 3’s, WR 4’s etc that interest me the most. Who will go undrafted & break out. Here’s my top 10 (I like to start out with Rotoworld’s top 200 and make some key changes where I see fit).

1. AP 2. MJD 3. Forte 4. S. Jackson 5. C. Johnson 6. Turner 7. Slaton 8. Gore 9. L. Fitzgerald 10. A. Johnson

Although, off that list, I’d have to take a long look at Turner before drafting him if he was my first available at draft time.

PS: I have another 3 backs ahead of Westbrook, and if he stays out of preseason totally & McCoy really shines, he could fall further…

by 49ers Rule on Jul 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

during the regular season

is when I’ll be getting a chance to look at the waiver-wire pick ups, and the weekly sit/start match ups.

I agree that there is an overload of top 10-15 players at each position, which is why I’m going to look at each team individually.

I definitely have a few sleepers and a few busts.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad to see you writing here, Mr. Davidson.

Looking forward to seeing the rest. Are you going to continue by each division or randomly?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 29, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Seattle, St. Louis and Arizona are next. The schedule could change, but currently I’ll go NFC North, AFC South (the two division the 49ers play), followed by AFC West, NFC South, AFC East, NFC East, AFC North. Again, it may not be in that exact order, but I’ll be going by divisions, not just randomly.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, sounds good.

I’ll stay tuned, as usual.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

my answer to Andrew Davidson:

yes

I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

by these3words on Jul 29, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Regarding Nedley

Did anyone know that the Niners never try a FG within the 20 yard the whole season? This is not a slam against him, in fact, He did a great job and should be a fantasy pick !

by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 29, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

P.S

I feel that you are little light on FGM ( mine # is 32 ) and right on for XPM . I’ll included 2 TDs in either Int., punt and kickoffs.

by LASVEGASNINER on Jul 29, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Nedney

I wanted to say 30 FG, but looking at his career, his best total is 29. I wasn’t willling to be bold enough to say Nedney will have a career high in 2009. While I think Nedney is a heckuva kicker, I don’t see him having a career year.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andrew Davidson?

And here this whole time I though you were Dr. Dre!

btw only worthwhile niner is Gore, and I’m not taking him in round 1

Also, I’m kind of a fantasy football geek too, as I guess you’ve already figured out.

If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin

by albertoleecho on Jul 29, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Geek I'd say...

Not too much since you won our league last year. If Gore stays healthy what are your projected #’s for him? Round 3?

GregP

by VikesPma on Jul 29, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

my winning our league has nothing to do with this. besides, a small six man league like ours won’t see Gore drafted until round 3 (most likely, because I’m not taking him 6 or 7).

1600 total yards (rush/receiving) and 8 total TDs are my numbers for Gore.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 29, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pussies

I’ve drafted Shaun as my QB2 in almost every league.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Jul 29, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

ADP

A good resource for ADP is AntSports.

The site also hosts a good amount of money leagues although the website is somewhat remedial.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Jul 30, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Computer Selections have never been included in this info. I exclude any computer selection. That’s why the number of drafts a player in varies so much. If the computer selects Faulk often, he will have a smaller number of Drafts he is included in vs another player.

An interesting claim. And an excellent point. That’s why it was important to go to Yahoo! and participate in these mock drafts with live users, to avoid a computer telling me when the player is drafted.

They have a gigantic sample size as well, dating back to 2006. Thanks for the link.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best ADP

The best ADP rankings I’ve found is Fantasy Football Calculator ADP. Usually extremely accurate for what you would see in a normal draft with people with any kind of sense. =)

by 49ers Rule on Jul 30, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I trust Yahoo! mock drafters? No, but they do have an opinion, and they do participate in the mock drafts.

And for the better part, I don’t have time to do 700+ mock drafts.

The Yahoo mock tool is good, because its just like participating in a live draft. You can chat with other users during the draft selection process and get feedback. Every time Crabtree went relatively early, I would ask the manager “Niner Fan? Or just high on Crabtree?”, there was a favourable amount of crabtree supporters over niners fans (truth be told Crab didn’t go super early often).

Again, I only did 30 mock drafts, and I felt that participating in the mocks, instead of just cherry picking sites for numbers, was a more creative method of approach.

Having said all of that, any suggestions you have are greatly appreciated.

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s the ADP per fantasyfootballcalculator.com

•Frank Gore – Avg. Selection 13
•Michael Crabtree – Avg. Selection 82
•Josh Morgan – Avg. Selection 141
•Vernon Davis – Avg. Selection 156
•Isaac Bruce – Avg. Selection 183
•Joe Nedney – Not drafted in first 206 selections
•San Francisco DEF – Not drafted in first 206 selections

The only 49ers I would draft would be Gore, Crabtree, & Josh Morgan (if he’s available in the last 2 rounds). I might consider Davis as a TE2 if I got a weaker TE1 like Dustin Keller or John Carlson.

by 49ers Rule on Jul 31, 2009 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think a good idea for a future story would be a poll about whether or not people are willing to reach above ADP for 49ers just because they are a fan. I admit I have done this. In 2007, I drafted Westbrook ahead of Gore in round 1 and then instantly wanted to trade him for Gore once I thought about it a little bit. The person (an Eagles fan) thought Gore was going to have the better year & declined. Westbrook had 2100 total yards & 12 total touchdowns. Gore finished the year with 1500 total yards & 6 TD’s. Needless to say, I don’t try to reach for 49ers any more unless they are only one or two spots away on my draft board.

by 49ers Rule on Jul 31, 2009 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

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