NFC West Position-by-Position: Outside Linebacker
Today we move to the outside linebackers. To date, we've addressed inside/middle linebacker, defensive end, defensive/nose tackle, quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, centers, offensive tackles, guards and total offense. While every team will usually roll out two OLBs, the 3-4/4-3 difference still has an effect on things. For the 49ers, the outside linebackers are a mix of production and potential. And yet, even that production comes with question marks. As my rundown shows, I think at the end of the 2009 season the results could end up anywhere on the spectrum from great to blah. For the rankings, the Rams description is the same from last week (combining all LBs), so without a grade I went with 3rd for now.
1. Seattle Seahawks
2. San Francisco 49ers
3. St. Louis Rams
4. Arizona Cardinals
Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan
The easy answer is "A". A sub-Pro Bowl starter in his prime, Leroy Hill, and a once in a generation talent at linebacker, Aaron Curry – that’s got to be an "A".
Leroy Hill struggles in zone coverage. He’s an after the fact tackler that is lucky to track down whatever receiver just blew by him. He hasn’t has been a consistent pass rusher since his rookie season, and though that might be because boneheadedness on John Marshall’s part, it might be that like Lofa Tatupu, he can’t find gaping inside rush lanes absent monstrous Marcus Tubbs. Hill has missed time every season since his rookie season with injuries.
Aaron Curry is a rookie. Even given the better than average success NFL GM’s enjoy drafting linebackers, first overall linebackers have less than a 60% chance of ever making a Pro Bowl (http://www.advancednflstats.
So, then…
Both are monster run stoppers. Not tackle – tackle – tackle run stoppers, but jam the fullback into his locker, atomic wedgie the tight end and rip through the ball for a loss of four…teeth, run stoppers.
Both shutdown the screen pass and make a fumble as likely as a completion.
Both have rare closing speed, good agility, sound and sometimes punishing tackling technique and good field awareness.
Curry has the skills and tools to be Lance Briggs caliber pass defender.
Hill has the skills and tools to be a Chad Brown caliber pass rusher.
But there’s still too much locked into potential and not enough known about how they will be played and how they will develop, so though Hill and Curry comprise the most talented duo of outside linebackers in the entire NFL, they are not yet an "A", they are a "B" with crazy upside.
D.D. Lewis, David Hawthorne, Will Herring and Lance Laury make up the depth we know. I’ve spoken of Lewis and Hawthorne. Herring is a former safety that’s a linebacker electron. His speed and agility give him potential as a coverage specialist, but he needs to add bulk and strength to not be a liability against the run. I’m not sure Laury makes the team.
San Francisco 49ersBlogger: Fooch
Blogger: VanRam
In a division trademarked for its linebackers, the St. Louis Rams were embarrassingly substandard last year, thanks to poor decision making that left Will Witherspoon in the middle and arrogantly allowed an emerging Brandon Chillar to flee for greener, more frozen pastures. Addressing the situation at linebacker has been a top offseason priority for the defensive-minded new regime led by head coach Steve Spagnuolo and defensive coordinator Ken Flajole.
The Rams made their first big move of the offseason when they announced that Will Witherspoon would be moved back to his natural position on the weakside. That move was deemed so important, it happened before the free agent free for all and well ahead of the draft. The move will free up the athletic Witherspoon from having to take on huskier linemen and lead blockers in the middle, where he was long miscast with the Rams. Besides giving the team a more effective LB in coverage and pursuit, Witherspoon's presence on the outside gives them another threat to rush the passer. He won't likely top his career high 7 sacks from 2007, but he'll get plenty of work in the attack-first system. He's also being reunited with Ken Flajole, his linebackers coach with the Panthers.
The Rams have desperately needed a true middle linebacker and snagged their man, James Laurinaitis, with their second round pick. He has the size and ability to read and react well to action in the gaps in front of him, and displayed real talent against the run and in coverage. Most importantly, Little Animal has the intelligence and football acumen to be the "field general" that Spagnuolo has traditionally asked his middle linebackers to play. Laurinaitis won't be known for bone crushing hits like Rey Maualuga, the other top MLB in this year's draft, but he's a solid tackler and a tough player. Lots of draft pundits felt like NFL success early on was a realistic expectation for Laurinaitis. He's currently working out with the second team, but no one expects him to stay there. Early reports have been very positive.
On the strongside, the picture gets muddled after the release of Pisa Tinoisamoa, deemed a less-than-perfect fit for the new defensive scheme. Though Pisa was a contributor, it's easy to forget that he battled consistency from week to week and often had trouble with blown gap assignments and bigger, more physical blockers. Right now, three players are vying for the SLB spot in the starting lineup. Veteran Chris Draft tops the list at the moment, but his ability to play all three positions likely keeps him in the all-important utility role. Larry Grant, a 49ers cast off picked up to bolster special teams last year, is another candidate for the job thanks to an impressive work ethic (a commodity valued immensely by the new coaching staff), a good spring and strong, yet unheralded performances with the team last year. Don't discount the something-to-prove factor at play here as Grant gets the chance to see the 49ers twice a year. He was also a teammate of Laurinaitis at Ohio State. The third entrant in the SLB sweepstakes is last year's Mr. Irrelevant, David Vobora. The former Idaho Vandal saw action on special teams last year and in the LB rotation for 8 games. He ended up starting a game down the stretch - partly for an audition, partly out of need - and racked up 5 tackles, 4 solo, in a tight game against the Dolphins.
Blogger: cgolden
Much like the Niners, the Arizona Cardinals boast above average starts at inside linebackers and meagerly mention their outside linebackers. The Cardinals OLB's certainly have experience on their side but that also means that the clock is ticking against these 30-something's.
The projected starters are 33 year old Chike Okeafor and 32 year Clark Haggans. Together they've appeared in 255 games in this league and recorded 82 sacks but Okeafor spent the entire 2007 season on the IR and Haggans finished the 2007 season on the IR. In the 2008 season the two combined for a grand total of 5.5 sacks which is not exactly what you're looking for in a pair of OLB's in a 3-4. The Cardinals hope is that a return the aggressive, attacking style particulary with Okeafor will result in an uptick in his sack totals. If both Okeafor and Haggans can stay healthy, the hope is that they can approach 15 sacks combined with guys like Darnell Docket, Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson and the backups (conviently listed below) picking up the slack.
The primary backup should be second round pick Cody Brown, formerly of the University of Connecticut. Few question Brown's abilty to rush the passer, but it's pretty universally accepted that it takes a full year to grasp the responsibilities of the position as a whole. That should leave Brown in the same boat as veteran pass rusher Bertrand Berry. Both excel at rushing the passer but would appear to have a hard time playing a complete OLB this season. The result, at least right now, appears to be two players who are basically situational pass rushers, but in that role could rack up between four and six sacks. Further down the depth chart is sixth round selection Will Davis who has proven to be quite an interesting prospect. A former wide receiver turned defensive end turned defensive tackle (after injuries by others at Illionos), Davis has the physical ability to play almost anywhere on the field but he's raw and would most likely need a solid camp to make the roster.
Sadly thats the entirety of the depth at outside linebacker, Three veterans trying avoid the 'washed up' label and two rookies hoping that potential isn't the only thing in their bag of tricks. Maybe the Cardinals strike gold and their veterans stay healthy while Brown and Davis come along slowly or maybe the kids get thrust into the fire before they are ready. I could easily see the Cardinals outpeforming this grade by a mile but realistically, I can't go much higher than D.
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I've read the Seattle blogger's version of things...
…and the dude is such a homer.
by Indiana Jim on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill/Alex Smith comprise of a B grade at QB.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And not picking on Fooch,
just saying there’s been a share of homerism all around.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer...
… or not, it’s at least accurate that the Rams have the best OLB group in the division.
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever Joan Morgan is still a homer
She can point to as many variables as she wants, but we play the game on grass (or turf). Can’t wait to have our D smash on the Seacups!
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiight.
And you’re never guilty of homerism? He’s the primary writer for a Seahawks blog, so it can’t be totally unexpected. It’s pretty petty to start calling people names or whatnot just because you disagree with them.
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever,
The point in question is not whether or not I am a homer, it is the analysis of her team and the clear overvaluing of that roster. They may have talent, but to rely on the potential of a rookie, and a pretty good player to project an A (but really a B) seems far fetched.
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his name is John not Joan and he is a dude
or is that just a really weak attempt to make fun of him?
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought it was...
… hence the “calling people names” part.
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're certain of this?
You’re certain this person is a male? No question in your mind that “John Morgan” is a male? You’re not simply assuming that this “John Morgan” moniker has to be a male because “John” is normative to the male gender are you?
In any case, this “John Morgan” gender identity is a non-issue, what is at issue is a bloated valuing of the Seahawks’s roster. “John Morgan” is entitled to her/his opinion, and likewise so am I. I think she/he is looking at that roster through the obscured lenses of a homer.
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dont think Hill and Curry deserve a B at least?
That’s pretty unfair of you.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be quite honest
I like Hill. Has good pass coverage skills, and a decent motor. I just think the naming of Curry as a “once in a generation” type of player is over the top. Because he’s a rookie, with absolutely no NFL games under his resume, the best I would give them is a C+/B-
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is no ordinary rookie.
Or so one would assume seeing as how he’s one of the very few non-rush OLBs to ever be drafted in the top 5.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this i agree with
I just think the naming of Curry as a "once in a generation" type of player is over the top. Because he’s a rookie, with absolutely no NFL games under his resume
but still think they deserve a B, Hill is very good, and Curry has a ton of potential to be just as good or better. Yeah it’s too early to call him one of the best in the division, but his potential warrants the grade.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I dont necessarily disagree with the
“once in a generation” tag, because who knows he may be out of this world, I just think it’s too early to call him one of the best until he gets on the field and shows it.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It’s meant for rhetorical effect and more directed at Seahawks fans than fans of other teams.
by John Morgan on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love competition, so I hope he stays healthy and learns the playbook well enough to get some time on the field.
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What may eliminate some of this overvaluing
is if the moderators who post their analysis were to be cross checked. Have Fooch, cgolden, VanRam, and John Morgan rebut/refute each other (either through a poll or some quick one paragraph reply.
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like an NFC West roundtable discussion
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
by 49erLou on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you...
… seriously arguing the point that you either made a typo or a lame joke with generic “how do you know if he’s male or female”?
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've moved on
you should too.
by fuller over bryant on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sure did do a good job stopping Seneca Wallace and the Backup Marauders.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy who got to the Pro-Bowl as a sub and rookie are an automatic ‘A’?
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you care to continue reading, you'll find out that the grade is actually a B.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how a 4-12 team has the BEST EVERYTHING in this division. I’m getting so sick of this crap.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Seattle went 4-12 with their starters healthy and all.
Oh, wait.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Players staying healthy is part of a good team. Depth as well. You really can’t just blame a bad season on injuries because injuries aren’t always just about luck. Poor conditioning, aging players, etc. are all factors. While a healthy Seattle team would likely have done better, they did a poor job at BEING healthy in the first place.
by Cruithear on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not necessarily...
… blaming the bad season on anything in this comment. He is merely explaining why the talent level on that team still tops the division at so many positions.
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A huge part of injuries
Is just luck the. There’s no question about it Seattle was unlucky with injuries last year.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
This isn’t Shawne Merriman going down with a freak season ending injury. Their key guys are old and explains why they have such a high chance of getting hurt.
QB – Matt Hasselbeck (10th season, age 32)
LT – Walter Jones (12 season, age 34)
DE – Patrick Kerney (10th season, age 31)
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What team has all their starters healthy? I’m not saying that the Seahawks didn’t have a ridiculous amount of injuries or anything, but they still played in a weak division and couldn’t muster more than 4 wins. If the team has as much talent as these PBP posts say they do, then why did they only win 4 games?
Also, Seattle does have the best depth at certain positions, but to give them this one because of a pro-bowler and a rookie? That’s a bit much. Come on.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
Also, Seattle does have the best depth at certain positions, but to give them this one because of a pro-bowler and a rookie?
So how would you rank the NFC West’s OLB groups? There’s almost very little debate that Seattle’s OLBs sit atop the rest of the division. In terms of OLBs, it’s almost like there’s Seattle’s group, and then there’s the rest, at least in my opinion.
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they had to have all their starters healthy.
But according to FootballOutsiders, the Seahawks injuries were of historic proportions.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that
Also projected the Seahawks to the NFC’s 3rd/4th best record this year heavily based on a bounce back effect to injuries. Than again, FO ignored the fact that the guys who got injured were old and wasn’t exactly the typical case of freak injuries.
If the Seahawks can stay healthy I imagine they can win 10 games, but I think it’s a monster if. Hasselbeck and Jones still have to carry most of the load on offense.
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OLB's in Seattle are so GOOD!!!
I would definitely take that tandem over;
PIT:
James Harrison
Lamarr Woodley
…
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would.
A bit of homerism, sure, but even from an objective point of view they stack up favorably. Maybe not in 2009 but in the long term, why not Seattle’s OLBs? Especially since James Harrison is already over 30.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously people
The Niners homerism is getting old, even for fellow Niners fans. Leroy Hill and Aaron Curry are the best starting OLB’s in the division, and it’s hardly debatable. If you think Haralson and Lawson are easily better than you need to take off the red and gold glasses.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Red and Gold glasses..
Are like Beer Goggles. Sometimes, that’s a good thing.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know...
… roses came in gold!
by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one said better
But we didn’t exclaim Crabtree to be a once in a generation talent during the WR evaluations.
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We DID claim however...
That VD would be a new standard at his position when drafted.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 31, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*would change the game at his position*
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's our GM's, not us
Our GM’s over the last 4/5 years have claimed the following about our 1st round picks (Scotty has picked up where Nolan left off):
Alex Smith is the next Steve Young (try Tim Couch)
Vernon Davis the next Tony Gonzalez (try Mark Bavaro)
Manny Lawson the next Julian Peterson (don’t want to think about it)
Patrick Willis the next Ray Lewis (close enough for now)
Joe Staley the next Harris Barton (close enough for now)
Kentwan Balmer is an immediate contributor (ouch)
Michael Crabtree the next Anquan Boldin (thanks Scotty, I don’t see it)
Joan (John) Morgan is well on her/his way to becoming the next 49er GM if she/he wants to give up blogs by claiming Aaron Curry is a once in a generation talent (if scoring at home that makes him the next Lawrence Taylor) .
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
names?
Seriously, why are people calling him Joan Morgan?
by Fooch on Jul 31, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ever hear something and know it just sticks?
by bignerd on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s rude and disrespectful.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 1, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the fans in general..
Look, all you have to do is read not only the comments on this site, but comments on almost every site that is 49ers, and you will see all kinds of crazy stuff put out there. I mean come on, 49er fans think Singletary is the next Bill Walsh\Messiah\Sliced Bread inventor\Chance the Gardner. We had posters here telling us “You don’t know him like we know him, and you never will know him like we know him”.
Gotta hand it to Morgan. He got a lot panties in a bunch here.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jul 31, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked John Morgan about that over at Field Gulls
He said it was for “rhetorical effect”. Not sure why he would do that, but he wasn’t being serious. I agree that the statement was over the top though.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because he isn't.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Crabtree and all, but it’s fairly obvious that Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald were better prospects in recent drafts.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone notice........
That JM has used Curry as his basis for the majority of his defense grades. I mean that’s ridiculous. Guy hasn’t even PRACTICED in pads yet and he is the 2nd coming of Charles Haley, Ray Lewis, and Joey Porter. He has him justifying his grades with ILB, OLB, and DE. Cmon Morgan, get real, dude isn’t gonna play all 3 positions at the same time. Does he make your WEAK RB better because he wipes when he poops. Seriously Morgan, I have lost sooooo much respect for you. Funny how Fooch get’s a bunch of crap for his B grades, but at least he doesn’t use Willis in his QB and WR grades. Get real Morgan and Seahawks fans. Niners are gonna MURDER you this year.
by hudd07 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Funny how Fooch get’s a bunch of crap for his B grades, but at least he doesn’t use Willis in his QB and WR grades."
Oh, right, I totally forgot that because he didn’t use Patrick Willis to justify his grades at WR and QB, they weren’t bad grades.
Get real Morgan and Seahawks fans. Niners are gonna MURDER you this year.
Just to humor you, would you mind if I screenshotted this?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 31, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An A? Really?
Not to be so much of a negative nancy, to quote Flanders, but how does a guys whos never made a pro bowl (or been in the top 5 in any defensive category in his career) and a rookie whos never played a down make an A grade? If you acknowledge ‘A’ being the highest grade there is, then your basically saying theres no room for improvement, that your OLB corps is in the NFL elite. No matter how highly graded he is out of college, or how good you think Leroy Hill is, that doesnt hold water. Even in that same post it states 60% of first linebackers in the draft never make a pro bowl, yet somehow this guy, when paired with a non pro bowl non elite OLB, makes up one of the leagues elite units? Potential may be an A, but that doesnt make them elite out of the box. Thats the kind of thing you have to, you know….earn
by Sloan on Jul 31, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
correction
He didn’t end up giving them an A. Look at the last paragraph:
But there’s still too much locked into potential and not enough known about how they will be played and how they will develop, so though Hill and Curry comprise the most talented duo of outside linebackers in the entire NFL, they are not yet an “A”, they are a “B” with crazy upside.
by Fooch on Jul 31, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.
My mistake. So uh yeah, ignore that. My first post on here goes form what I thought was a reasoned diatribe against what I thought was a ridiculous rating to a demonstration of the kind of behavior that keeps me form going on boards lke this. How embarrassing. So yeah, a B is fine for those guys.
by Sloan on Aug 1, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
boards
I’m the main guy around here, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt, but I think his site (and SB Nation sites in general) is a step above your traditional message boards. Obviously there is some crazy talk wherever you go, but I think you got more intelligent commentary mixed in here (from the readers of the site).
by Fooch on Aug 1, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt mean this one
By ‘boards like this’ I mean boards in general. I dont post a lot, or at all because a lot of them kinda devolve into mindless things, but this one doesnt. Ive been a regular visitor to this site for a litle over a year now and its pretty much the only one where i really read the boards. Its the reason I even thought I could post is because it is a step above anything else Ive read or visited. Im just embarrassed that my first atttempt ends up adding to the problem, so to speak. A little miffed that I did not add to the intelligent commentary normally found here
by Sloan on Aug 1, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about it, it seems like several other people got confused by the first paragraph as well.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
You’re not the first, and won’t be the last to misread something on the site. But welcome otherwise.
by Fooch on Aug 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Seattle blogger
had me at atomic wedgie
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
by jfainsf49 on Jul 31, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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