San Francisco 49ers 17 - Denver Broncos 16: Backfield bowls over Broncos
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 14, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
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PrintThe first preseason game of the season is in the books, and as much as it doesn't matter, it's still nice to see a 49ers W. San Francisco's backfield was the bright spot of the offense, although Shaun Hill's action was very limited. While the first team defense didn't put up the numbers (0 sacks), they created enough pressure to force 3 first half interceptions (although one could argue that was all Kyle Orton). Overall, the first preseason game doesn't say a lot, but we do have some things to reflect upon.
The Backfield
Glenn Coffee ran for 67 yards on 14 carries in the first half and showed a nice ability as a "one-cut and go" style runner. Coffee didn't look very decisive at the start of the game, but improved as the first half went on finding holes and making gains. Brit Miller did a semi-Leonard Weaver impression, by catching two passes for 2 TDs. Miller's 40 yard TD in the 4th quarter put the 49ers ahead for good, but the most impressive aspect of the catch was Miller's burst to the end zone. Kory Sheets cleaned up the duty, running for 51 yards in "garbage" time. Sheets looked springy, and bounced a couple of nice runs outside for big gains (his inside running looks like it could use improving). Thomas Clayton left the game with a knee injury, finishing the game with 9 yards on 4 carries. A nice job overall for the RBs, but again, it's only 1 preseason game.
The O-Line
The big guys allowed 4 sacks, but looked fairly solid most of the evening. One of the sacks Shaun Hill definitely held on the ball too long during, and he admitted so during an in-game interview. Another sack came on a missed pick-up by Zak Keasey (who also left the game with injury - elbow contusion). The team moved the ball well, and the O-Line didn't stall any drives with penalties. I didn't notice anyone getting beat consistently on the O-Line, and the QBs really weren't in much danger most of the night.
The QBs
Shaun Hill looked good in his lone drive, leading the team to a FG while completing 2 of 2 passes for 41 yards. Vernon Davis was Hill's only target, and Hill made a nice completion to Davis in triple coverage. We didn't get to see a lot of Hill, but what we did see was fine (Hill also had a nice 9-yard scramble). Alex Smith played the rest of the second half, and completed 5 of 7 passes for 33 yards and 1 TD. Smith forced a completion to Josh Morgan, who was blanketed by Champ Bailey. A great catch by Morgan, and a nice tight pass from Smith. Damon Huard led the team in passing, going 7 of 9 for 98 yards and 1 TD. Nate Davis took some snaps, but never attempted a pass.
Other Stand Outs
Reggie Smith looked pretty darn good in his action, intercepting a pass in the first half, and another on a two-point conversion in the fourth quarter. Smith looks a bit more comfortable at his natural position, and should provide nice depth at the position. Michael Spurlock looked very shifty after the catch, also displaying a nice burst catching 2 passes for 24 yards. He didn't look as impressive in the return game, and his stats don't pop out, but when he had the ball, he looked quick.
The Sore Thumbs
Jahi Word-Daniels looked awful at times, and got torched by the Broncos. The second team defense was helpless against Denver in the second half, and were simply pushed around. Scott McKillop made 7 tackles, but credit that to the defense allowing Denver to stay on the field (4/6 on Third Down in second half). The unit didn't produce any pressure, and Ricky Jean-Francois was getting pushed around quite noticably in the redzone during the third quarter. Overall, the Broncos totalled 210 yards in the second half as the second team defense allowed Chris Simms to complete 11 of 17 passes for 142 yards and 2 TDs. I don't have the stat line, but Word-Daniels allowed a big chunk of those yards.
Play of the Game
Brit Miller's 40-yard TD catch was very cool, as he showed an impressive burst to the endzone. As he approached the goal line, he dodged a couple Bronco defenders to put the team up for good. A very nice catch and run, and a nice quick pass from Huard made the play possible.
The Final Score: San Francisco 17 Denver 16
Post your thoughts or comments on who you thought stood out, and how much we can really take from this first preseason contest.
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sorry for this taking a while to get up
but man, I wasn’t sure what to say or how to say it.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 14, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
Don't forget TE's
Davis did well and I’m excited for him this year. No stone hands here.
J.J. Finley was out there a lot, his blocking was good, and he caught one of the balls well, the other was not so good, but overall a good showing.
Bear Pascoe blocked fairly well, though not as good as J.J., but had a fun catch for a 2 point conversion that was just an up for grabs catch. Still, Bear didnt get much time to show us anything, but I remain excited!
All I take from this is..
Smith looks like the same old Smith. Which isn’t good.
Well, we're waiting....
I followed your FO link to the Tampa board. The FO editor killed Smith and 49ers in his Q&A . . . comment was like “sometimes you just need to let go”.
He deserves a shot at the position...
But if he doesn’t improve dramatically next game, then Singletary should have an easy choice on who should start. I have more confidence in Huard than I do Smith after tonight.
Really liking Brit Miller and Spurlock. Crabtree should get nervous after tonight. The 49ers have all the juice in this one.
Well, we're waiting....
Crabtree is probably crying
to Eugene Parker. “make it stop, make it stooooooooooooooooooooooooop!!!!!!” I totally agree with everything you said. My guess is Smith will look better through the preseason, but he isn’t going to get the starting job. Hill shows a lot more confidence than Smith
Go 49ers
to be fair
it was his first game healthy in like 2 years lol
He is healthy enough..
To run an offense really designed for he to excel in.
Alexcuses?
Congrats, you have posted the first.
Well, we're waiting....
BTW..
Simms lost a spleen due to playing QB. He still looked better than Smith, with a new offense.
Well, we're waiting....
I dont wanna argue so...
I’ll just say Smith wasn’t the best out there but he damn sure wasn’t the worst… THANK YOU KYLE ORTON
Orton is getting used to...
An offense predicated on the QB. He was bad, yet, in the 49er offense, he would be better than Smith. If Orton is a better QB than Smith, than Simms is a way better QB than both of them. Raye’s offense is about the execution. I saw all types of formations. Smith can’t read defenses. He can’t exploit mismatches. His mechanics and mental game are subpar to even Orton. He can’t lead an offense. Period. Not with his arm legs, feet and head.
Well, we're waiting....
Simms was also playing our rookies in their first NFL game ever. They left receivers wide open… I mean it’s hard to mess that up… I know the Broncos defense isn’t all that better but they still have played at an NFL level before. And it’s still preseason; last year JTO looked damn fine leading an offense in preseason. We can’t jump to any conclusions just yet.
Agreed. Some good spots and some bad
The coaching staff will have a lot to after reviewing the film and will adjust practice this week based on the weakness that they saw. There may be some roster moves this week to.
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 15, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't give Sims too much credit yet
As pointed out above that wasn’t a very good 49er defensive unit. It was basically comprised of this year’s late round draft selections and free agents most of us could not name.
Lots of Smith hate this a.m.
Thought his passes mostly looked crisp. He blew the screen to Coffee, which could have been a game-changer.
There wasn’t enough of Hill to make a judgement.
Both Hill and Smith got sacked from holding the ball too long. It seemed like after the first drive Nolan threw a lot of blitzes at the Niners. Smith did okay, nothing special, against them.
As far as Simms, both he and Huard looked great because they both played in the second half against third-stringers.
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 15, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It's stupid
that so many on here STILL hate on Alex Smith. He didn’t make many (if any) mistakes last night. And Huard over Smith right now? Really? Don’t let Damon Huard passing against the Broncos 4th string defense fool you.
Smith may not win the starting job, but he should have shut a lot of people up last night. He looked solid, which is the best he’s looked in a while.
Also: first exhibition game. Let’s all jump to conclusions!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Lemme clarify this...
Simms mechanics looked better than Smith. He just looked like a better overall QB, despite who he faced.
Well, we're waiting....
Yeah, well like JoshPreet said up there, the same things were thought of JTO last year. Smith was playing with the starters, and as long as he is not making fatal mistakes and turning the ball over, there is nothing to complain about at this point. He had a couple nice drives, you can only hope/expect him to improve from here after his first game in nearly two years. He will be alright, and I don’t expect him to start over Hill anyway.
u mean when his arm wasn't attached to his body?
and JTO looked like the Tony Romo type story until we realized he liked to dip his hands in oil before games….
An 11 year vet playing against 3rd/4th stringers and rookies...
should look “smooth”.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
he looked very smooth
Got back in his drop than fired the ball right away. He throw a lot of good looking passes too, velocity combined with a nice touch. I wonder if he is just as smooth against a 1st string pass rush?
I actually forgot how much he likes to back up before the throw
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
That’s why his passes have a tendency to sail high. One of the 49ers beat writers mentioned that a few years ago when asked to critique Smith’s (awful) mechanics.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 14, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
One throw he made..
Was painful to see, because he looked like a pitcher with a long, slow windup. That’s like a extra second of play right there, which is always one second too late.
Well, we're waiting....
But you said it all, though. Same old Smith. I’m gonna absolutely cry if Smith is named the starter. I might even shoot myself…
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 14, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
In order for Smith to win outright..
He has to show that he isn’t just one step above Hill. He has to show he is a whole level above him. I think if he doesn’t show that, than Singletary will make the right decision.
Unless the FO gets in his way.
Well, we're waiting....
Even his TD pass was bad
I cringe every time I see smith in a four receiver set because he basically stares down his primary target for 3 seconds than goes to the second guy, he never makes it past reciever #2 in his progressions.
His TD pass was classic Smith, stares down the RB, pumps to the RB, throws to the RB (and not an accurate pass, the RB had to adjust to the ball and make a difficult catch). Maybe Denver was faked out because they thought he couldn’t be that bad and they fell for the fake fake.
by Johnnysixnut on Aug 14, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite true...
Vernon Davis was also open in the back of the end zone. The Denver defender was in between them, and Smith needed to make him jump one way or the other. He pump faked, the defender jumped toward Davis so Smith threw it low to Miller where the defender couldn’t make a play on it. Nice play. (Oh, and Smith had to throw it around the hands of a charging defender.)
by Riding The F Train on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed the broadcaster..
(Was it Eric Davis) who said something like “Smith can’t screw that one up”. Everybody in the chatbox I was in laughed at what he said.
In a regular season game, I doubt he makes that pass.
Well, we're waiting....
Yes it was
Eric Davis called that one.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hate to say it but.....
I’m glad that this was the 1st pre-season game……O-line needs some work, especially the outside against the ends, Hill did hold the ball too long on some of those sacks though. Offense needs to capitalize on turnovers…..Smith needs to stop shaking his head after every bad play like if none of it is his fault.
Defense needs some help on the line, they NEED to get pressure on the QB, that was really frustrating to watch. Although secondary got 3 INT’s, they gave up some crucial 3rd down plays, do the niners ever do any sort of bump on the WR’s? It seems like the Broncos had the 5yard outs ALL game.
Can’t forget that this was the 1st game and it was without Bruce, Gore, Willis, Nedney(pat), and the unsigned rookie from Texas Tech. Hope to see improvement come next Saturday……
Agree
The interceptions were nice, but I think at least half credit has to go to Orton for still sucking.
by Johnnysixnut on Aug 14, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Pleased with the DBs'
3 Int., 4 PD and overall , looked good. However, the 3rd Qtr. reminded me of last year. They just couldn’t get going in the 3rd. The Offense had the ball for 4:55 and 5 plays. Maybe it was C. Simms or it’s a pattern, I don’t know. Sheets does bring something extra. I really like him ! Wow, where did Huard come from ? Good game. The team has something to work on now.
by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 15, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions
its because
none of the DBs in the 3rd quarter are starters some were rookies playing there first NFL games
The sacks
I think Norris could have prevented those. Keasey needs to work on his pass blocking. The INTs were good. I would have liked to seen some sacks but Denver does have one the top O-Lines. Glad to see Reggie Smith and Vernon Davis produce. Alex Smith really needs to work on his touch passes. I want to see Shaun Hill play more. Sheets looked good hopefully he makes the teams. Brit Miller could beat out Keasey and could be a good backup FB. I was hoping Davis would pass it at the end but I guess we’ll have to wait for another game. Overall I was happy with how we played.
Go 49ers
+1
on Sheets, i thought he did very well, hope to see more touches in the next game
by sundaysfinest on Aug 14, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
I also think that curtis taylor didnt look very good. missed some tackles and didnt look great, but i was also quite optimistic.
i was also disappointed that i never heard haralson’s name called….
Til this day, I have ABSOLUTELY no idea why Keasey is still on this team. Is he a good special teammer, sure he is, but that’s about it.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 14, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
i really hope Miller beats out Keasey at this point
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Will the team keep two fullbacks?
Or would they hide Miller?
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 15, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Normally, I'd say no.
However, the disaster scenario we had at the position last year plus the camp injuries to both Robinson and Norris…makes me wonder.
If Miller made the 53-man, I’d become a big fan of his.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Zak Keasy is so God-awful.
Watching him play in these pre-season games makes me want to show up at an NFL training camp with my cleats.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
he sucks but...
isnt he out of harvard or princeton? which is ridiculous considering the hair
We’ve got some things to work on …
But boy am I glad I’m not a Denver fan right now.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Alex Boone
I also wanted to see him play more. I got to meet him and he seemed really nice. I hope he can turn out into a beast.
Go 49ers
Hill deserves to Start. End of story.
Drummer said it all. Same old Smith. I can’t believe he was given the entire first half. The defense generated 3 picks for the guy, and he was only able to help the team score once. That’s not good, and if you’re trying to show everybody that you deserve the starting spot, you need to capitalize on that. Period! We saw absolutely nothing new from Smith, just more of the same. What happened on the very first pass play? Smith holds on to the ball a bit too long, fails to throw the ball away when given the opportunity, and subsequently gets sacked. What happened on that botched screen play? Wide open receiver down low with blockers ready to lead the charge. All Smith has to do was dump it to the back and we have positive yards. Instead, he throws it to the guys feet. What about the ‘nice’ pass play to Morgan? I’m sorry Andrew (kudos on writing this post, I think you did a great job), but that was not a nice throw. It was more of a smart adjustment and great catch by Morgan than it was nice. Notice what you said, he “forced” in a pass. I don’t think that’s what good quarterbacks do in order to be successful. That pass could have easily been intercepted, and we’ve seen such plays like that in the past from Smith. As I wrote in my long response to the “Why Shaun Hill isn’t a good quarterback” post, Smith has been given all the opportunities in the world to succeed, and he has repeatedly failed (check out Brendan Scolari’s post above to read my looong response. I’d love for someone to challenge me on that). I thought Bignerd’s reference to the FO editor was right on when saying, “sometimes you just need to let go”. The 49ers need to just let go of Smith. He doesn’t have what it takes.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 14, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions
Yep
I’m just going to answer your question “what happened on that first pass play?”
Smith got confused because it was a four receiver set and he only can look at max 2 receivers on any given play. He’s actually really bad at John Madden’s football for the same reason.
by Johnnysixnut on Aug 15, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It was eqiupment failure
His contacts got in the way of seeing the whole field !
by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 15, 2009 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I Disagree...
…With your comments regarding Word-Daniels and the second half defense. Yes the rookies made some rookie mistakes, but nothing that can’t be fixed. I saw a lot of positive plays, and I thought the pass rush was much better in the second half. As far as Carlos Thomas, he made some rookie errors, but you gotta admit he was around the ball an awful lot. I like his instincts thus far. Oh, and did anyone else notice that Brandon Lloyd played into the 4th quarter? So let’s look at this correctly, the rookie cbs got burned by a starting WR with a lot of experience. That doesn’t sound quite so bad.
Michael Spurlock looked excellent. He didn’t have much chance to return anything, but as a receiver he made some big plays. Nice speed, nice moves after the catch, and great hands. I’m rooting for him to make the roster.
by Riding The F Train on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions
Reflections from a first game (having only watched highlights and read stats)
Hill just seems like a winner, even in a pre-season game he doesn’t slide. I think there’s next to no way he doesn’t start the season barring injury.
That being said, I still like Alex and think that I’d like to see what he can offer if he gets more than 1 year in a system.
Damon Huard is exactly who I thought he was (and I let him off the hook!). I dunno if we keep 4 QBs but he’s a great steady vet presence.
Liked Glenn Coffee more than I anticipated, love his nose for contact, but he’s extremely susceptible to ankle tackles. That has to change for him to really elevate his game.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, I really think Brit Miller could be good. He could be a practice squad guy for a year while he learns the position, I’d like to know how he’s doing on special teams.
Zak Keasey, like the guy as a person, but he’s a downright liability as a blocker. Shows good heart but bad strength got absolutely bulldozed on one sack he gave up. I don’t really think he’ll make the team, I’d rather keep 4 rbs or an extra wr
Didn’t get a chance to see Sheets, how’d he look?
I’m torn about our WRs I like Zeig and Battle (he’s a great blocker, something that doesn’t get talked about enough here). However, Spurlock does truly seem dynamic. I really thought Hill was coming on at the end of last year and I think it would be a shame for him not to get a chance to continue that development. I think I just have to resign myself to being simultaneously sad/happy with whatever happens.
Nice to see Vernon get involved, wish he wouldn’t celebrate after small stuff.
OL gave up a lot of sacks? Fooch seems to think that the numbers made it out worse than they played, anyone agree? disagree?
no pass rush, this really worries me. We have to show an improvement.
I read over the game threads here and it seems like we were having tackling problems, anyone care to illuminate.
I was excited about some of our UDFA CBs at the beginning of the summer, especially Jahi Word-Daniels whom I liked in college, but I really don’t see any of them making the roster. too bad given our thin depth
Yay for Reggie Smith and INTs from the safety position.
Poor Alex Romero, you can’t miss an XP in preseason and hope, let alone, expect to find a job in the NFL.
Last but not least, it might have been a preseason game but the team just has a different feel under Coach Sing. It’s great!!!!!!!!!!
(That subtle reference to Dennis Green was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.)
Tonight was the first time I had even heard of Brit Miller, but if he plays the same position as Delanie Walker, I don’t think he has a chance to make the team. Walker is a proven player. And Corey Sheets was pretty damn good, especially near the end. He showed flashes of burst, which I really like in a running back. I don’t know about Zieg, Hill and even Spurlock for that matter, but whatever happens, I think Battle definitely needs to stay. He’s what some would dub, a blue-collar kind of receiver and a possession receiver. He blocks like crazy, and was part of the reason why Gore ran for over 1600 yards his 2nd season. Him and Antonio Bryant (wish we still had him) did an amazing job blocking down field for him.
I agree with you on Fooch’s assessment regarding the OL. If anything, we should pound on the Defensive Line for showing no kind of pass rush. That was absolutely pathetic. Coach Sing told Dennis O’donnell, “you will see!” Well, I guess we’ll see.
As for problems with tackling, I didn’t see much that was worth mentioning. At least not from the 1st unit. Nothing stood out to me that I can point to.
I hope that answered some of your Q’s. (Great breakdown of the game by the way).
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Brit Miller is a fullback,
Delanie Walker is a Tight End.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Aug 15, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Brit Miller...
Is all that and a bag of chips. Well, at least for one preseason game.
Well, we're waiting....
great, thanks
can’t get enough Denny Green sound bytes
I am really worried about the pass rush. I think focusing on the DL might be a little to harsh because they’re not the focus of the pass rush in the 3-4 (until 3rd down in the nickel). They actually play the run pretty well but dear lord we can’t seem to tackle the QB. The other question I forgot to ask was how did Manny Lawson do rushing the passer. I know he didn’t get any sacks or anything, but how long did he play? Did he actually have an opportunity to show anything or did he only get a series or two?
Oh, yeah, Dre Bly’s still my boy
by foosball4949 on Aug 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Your point about the DL not being the focal point of the pass rush in a 3-4 is well taken. I forgot about that. In looking back at it though, I think the pass rush suffered a little because Parys Haralson wasn’t playing. But still, it sucked bad. Where was Justin Smith and his pass rushing prowess? Man I hope the 49ers can improve, or else the real good QBs will rip ’em to shreds.
As for Lawson, he played for a bit if I’m correct. But nothing impressive that stood out to me. There was one play that I recall, however, where he rushed from the outside edge and the QB dumped it to a back, who then took it up field. Manny caught up and made the tackle. I thought that was “Manny being Manny”. He used his outstanding LB speed to make the play. So nothin’ new from Manny, really. I hope he busts out this year.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we can conclude that Kyle Orton and Zak Keasey suck.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
I have to agree about Keasey
his play tonight smacked of Barry Sims’ playing last year.
by Riding The F Train on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
GOOD GAME BUT...
Did anyone call the Shriners hospital? Word Daniels got burned so many times, I am sure he would be admitted as a burn victum. That was pathetic play by the Hyphenated DB. Hill looked solid, and so did Smith. I dont think either stood out over the other. Nothing in either QB’s play gave them any ground in the competition for starter. Keasey will be gone before the end of camp. I am surprised at how badly the DE from LSU played. He was a total non factor. First string looked ok on offense and defense, but the D got no sacks and a good QB would have torn our secondary apart. Orten will be McDaniels undoing. Stupid trades are hard to hide when its a NFL caliber QB for a known loser QB. Donkey fans will be calling for Josh’s head by game 6 as the Bears race to the playoffs and their team is a cellar dweller. Liked what I saw out of Coffee. He played as advertised, a hard nosed runner that finishes his runs with power. He had a good game and showed some speed also on a few runs. On other runs, he either missed or didnt see holes that the line was creating, but that could be lack of familiarity with the O line. He looks like a more than capable backup to Gore. Clayton was having a terrible game till he got hurt. He may not make the cut this year, as Sheets showed that he has potential as a change of pace scat back. I hope the injury isn’t serious for Clayton, but he might get cut anyway. Really liked the play of the DB’s except for Word-Daniels. They had to hold their assignments far too long because of the ever present lack of pressure the D line is producing. Word Daniels better perform like a Pro Bowler in the next game. Over all it was a good 1st preseason game. Few penalties, I really liked that a lot! WR’s looked good. Crabtree better sign soon or…..
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
?
I don’t think Word Daniels is gonna even make the team. Why are so many people talking about him? Was he a high draft pick or something? Did I miss out on the players they drafted.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
WILL Y'ALL GET OFF OF WORD-DANIELS' BACK ALREADY!!!
This was his first NFL game action. He actually didn’t look too shabby. For example, one pass he almost made a great play but he used the wrong hand. That is an easily correctable error. Another play he thought the QB was finished and just gave up on the play too soon. It wasn’t until the ball sailed over his head that he realized the WR had snuck out behind him. Again, easily correctable error.
by Riding The F Train on Aug 15, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Back off the guy. But once again, why are we talking about him?
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You're Right !
We shouldnt be talking about him unless he improves in the next game substantially. He is cut at this point. I am very excited about how FEW mistakes were made by a young team. There were few penalties, and for a 1st preseason game, that is a huge plus. I really think the QB decision is still up in the air. I dont think Smith looked as bad as some have portrayed him here. I think he did well, and he didnt have any picks. He moved the team, and for the first pre season game he looked decent. I wonder why Hill only got the one series? Is singletary giving smith more reps to give him a chance to catch up? It is interesting and I will be very puzzled if Smith gets the start in the next game. Hill looked pretty good and you have to say at this point that he is the leader in the race. Smith is going to have to show a lot more than how he played tonight to even have a chance at the starting spot. Spulock was a pleasant surprise. I was really impressed by how elusive he was after the catch. His returns were not great, but he really didnt have a good ball to return, as the coverage and the kicks were good by Denver. Just glad to see the team get off on the right foot. They will have to get more pressure on the QB or they will lose to Oakland. Really hope Clayton isnt injured seriously even though he might not make the team this year. Sheets really looks promising, and his speed gives the team that “Change of Pace” back that they need. If he can catch the ball coming out of the backfield on screens or wheel routes, we might have a real weapon there. I am excited to see the Niners go up against a better defense like the Ray DUHS. But they gotta get more pressure on the QB. I realise Harrilson wasnt playing but man that D line was getting pushed around on passing plays. Still TOO many 3rd down pass plays keeping the D on the field. SIngletary better have a plan for their lack of a pass rusher, or we are in for a long season….
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
I agree with many of the things that you said, except I kindly disagree with what you said regarding Smith moving the team down field. The truth is, he really didn’t. The defense intercepted the ball 3 times, and he was only able to capitalize on one of them, and even then Smith was put in great field position—the red zone. He couldn’t even help get the team into field goal range on those other two occasions, which was pretty disappointing, especially considering how easily Hill moved the team down-field on the first series of the game.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW,
Is anyone else unhappy with the play calling tonight? I know it will change in the regular season, which is good because tonight was BOOORRRIING!!! But the balance really bugged me. Mostly no more than two receiver sets, and too much running considering the strength of our WR corps. I’d like to have seen the combination of Morgan, Spurlock, and Ziegler!
by Riding The F Train on Aug 15, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions
I'm not getting too far into that...
This was basically a “scrimmage” game. I’m actually more impressed with it than negative about it. It wasn’t an all out juggernaut, but when you get VD in the mix on big plays, it’s better than anything they have had prior.
It’s hard to really judge when you are still trying to find your starting QB too.
Well, we're waiting....
Way too
predictable on short yardage, and the 3rd and 3 that led to the first FG was so frustrating. I was really unhappy with our running between the tackles tonight, I’m not sure that I saw anyone break through a hole. That said, I’m somewhat happy with the way our first guys played tonight on all sides of the ball. If that’s how they’re playing right out of the gate without Gore, Willis, and Bruce I think we’ll have some pleasant surprises this year.
I have to agree, the runs between the tackles were not very productive.
I blame it on the offensive line.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Frank Gore covers up a lot of their stink. He is really good at running inside. He can squeeze in between a lot of tight spaces, he has excellent power and I hardly ever see him get caught up in the wake without moving the pile forward. Coffee had some burst you saw tonight between him, Clayton and Sheets if the offensive line cannot create the hole than the rest of RB just get stood up at the line of scrimmage.
Exhibition playcalling is ALWAYS boring.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man I agree so much on VD. I hope this year VD stands for the “Vicious Duke”, and not the “Venereal Disease”…
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions
I just hope...
That you won’t be able to associate “Diva” with VD this season, because you can’t spell Diva without a “V” or a “D”.
Well, we're waiting....
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by Sammallory on Aug 15, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
HILARIOUS
once again, I am entertained by the great ninersnation. I personally don’t drink, but rock on Sammallory. Perk all you want, but please be safe.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Have one for me!!
You hard core NINER FAN YOU !!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
On the QB battle:
Smith looked very meh. He’s still got issues getting rid of the ball on time, and he still has happy feet. That failed screen pass to Coffee just before the half was just ugly.
Having seen Hill throw just two passes of his own, I’ll say it’s a bit early to call it at this point. Certainly, though, if things continue along this path then we’ll be seeing ol’ Noodle under center against Arizona in a couple weeks.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Hill already has a better command...
of the offense. They both are Meh. It’s really about the lesser of two Meh’s.
Well, we're waiting....
Kind of agree, shecko
Too small a sample. Smith isn’t superior, and old habits seemed to rear their ugly heads here and there.
Personally, I think there is a lot of Smith hate going on here, and I don’t think it’s anywhere near warranted. He was okay, he wasn’t terrible. Was that pass he zipped into Morgan (I think) too dangerous or was it threading the needle? Looked pretty good to me. He blew the screen to Coffee, which should have been a very big gainer.
My biggest concern was the pass rush. Part of the lack of pass rush may just be because it’s the first game and there didn’t seem to be very much beyond vanilla out there, but Lawson’s lack of pressure should be alarming.
Keasey looks gone, With Clayton being carted off, if it’s serious he may be hidden on the IR for the season. That means that Sheets has a good shot at making the roster.
Could anyone get enough information to rate the receivers? I think that Spurlock looked good in his time out there. He didn’t get too many chances to run back returns.
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 15, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Understand that I've been one Smith's biggest advocates this off-season...
Was that pass he zipped into Morgan (I think) too dangerous or was it threading the needle? Looked pretty good to me.
I actually thought that looked really bad. There’s a difference between throwing at a defender’s back in man coverage and throwing at a defender. A good example of the former would be the pass that Shaun Hill threw to Vernon Davis in the end zone against the Bengals two years ago. There was a linebacker running up field to catch up to VD, and Hill threw the ball over the top, allowing his receiver the chance to adjust and make a play over another guy’s head. The pass that Smith threw last night, however, was an entirely different scenario. Champ Bailey had pretty tight coverage on Josh Morgan, who was running a rounded comeback route to the outside. Smith’s throw was towards the middle of the field – by all accounts a horrible ball – that Morgan was able to pivot and adjust to. The only reason Bailey looked so bad on the play was because he read the route correctly – jumping in front of Morgan towards the sideline. Because of this, he was forced to turn completely around, with his back turned to the QB, during the throw.
It was the kind of pass where I’m sure Smith cringed and started cursing himself as soon as it left his hand. And I’m sure he thanked the hell out of Morgan for making the play on it.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It was the kind of pass where I’m sure Smith cringed and started cursing himself as soon as it left his hand. And I’m sure he thanked the hell out of Morgan for making the play on it
I actually did the exact same thing… but yeah Josh Morgan adjusting like that against Champ Bailey should say something about him lol…
Have a good night everybody
It was nice postin’ wit’chall.
It’s ya boi, Waiting4JoshMorgan.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions
wide receiver check
Spurlock: 2 catches
Battle: 1 catch
Zeigler: might as well have been a backup referee
not good news for Zeig, but Spurlock’s chances have gone through the roof.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
ziggy did field that
onside kick rather nicely though
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Some good... some bad.
The good: Hill, VD, Coffee, Reggie Smith, Sheets, Morgan, Brit Miller, Spikes, Huard
The bad: No pass rush, OL is still questionable, Alex, Keysey (gone via injury), Clayton (gone via injury), Word-Daniels (will be cut shortly… Lambert played much better)
WR should be interesting… some decent player(s) will need to be cut (thinking it is Battle)
Not a bad start… but need to keep improving.
Ouch
I really hope it’s not Battle who gets cut. I think for Frank’s sake, and the running game, we need AT LEAST one Hines-Ward-like receiver who is capable of blocking down field to spring Gore up for those huge runs. I think blocking down field is a ‘subtle’ aspect of the game that really gets overlooked (unfortunately).
Plus, let us all remind ourselves that Battle has proven himself to be a VERY reliable receiver. Battle had 59 and 50 catches in 07 and 08, respectively, on a horrible team. He may not be great at route running or burning guys down field, but lets not forget that he has great hands.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Aug 15, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts
Who played well:
Hill: Nice drive except for the sack where he held the ball too long
Coffee: Seemed shiftier than I expected and had a couple nice runs
Sheets: 2 nice runs, not much on inside runs
Davis: 2 good catches
Brit Miller: Great catch and run on the 40 yard TD
Spurlock: Nice RAC on the screen
Rachal: I thought he made a few nice blocks on runs and didn’t notice him get beat at all
Bly: A couple nice plays on the ball
McKillop: Was around the ball a bunch, got beat once or twice in coverage
Spikes: Same as McKillop
Lambert: Seemed strong in coverage
Reggie Smith: 2 picks
Who played poorly:
Alex Smith: Indecisive, two poor throws
Keasey: Got beat twice while pass blocking
Joe Toledo: Beat multple times while blocking, was pushed right into Huard on one play
Adam Snyder: Let the DE get around the edge too easily a few times
Word Daniels: Burnt… badly
Curtis Taylor: Poor in coverage, missed at least 2 tackles I think
I haven’t watched closely enough yet to see much about the lines. It seemed like a few guys on the D-line got pushed around and the pass rush was non-existant.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 15, 2009 1:53 AM PDT reply actions
Terrell Lambert, Reggie Smith and Scott Mckellop
I agree these three played really well. Mckellop looks like he has the instincts to play in the NFL and may pair up good with Patrick Willis for years to come. I am glad you saw what i did regarding Terrell Lambert, he was good at Notre Dame but i saw him step it up tonight breaking up a couple passes and maintaining solid coverage. I think Reggie Smith has caught up with the speed of the game. He has always had the skill set to be a good safety in the NFL and i am glad he is playing in position
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 15, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
McKillop was abused multiple times,
and Joe Staley really needs to improve his run-blocking, he let some no-name scrub around the edge to cut off a running play.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 15, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Attacking Smith Too Much??
QB- I do think that many of you are attacking Alex Smith a bit too much. He didn’t really look that bad tonight. That said i think Singletary gave him one chance to earn the starting spot and prove to be better then Hill. That didn’t happen. Hill in his limited playing time showed the ability to move the ball downfield against the other teams #1 defense. I expect him to get at least a quarter next week, but Smith to start. Damn Huard looked good and is a quality backup, but remember he was playing against scrubs
RB- I did notice a little vision issues with Coffee but for his first game and starting he did very well. I like some of his cuts and ability to open up when running. He will be a very good RB. I am worried that Thomas Clayton is out for the year, that was an absolutely horrible scene, his knee OUCH!! But it may have opened up a roster spot for Kory Sheets who i believe should have been a 5th rd pick, he has the talent to be a good NFL RB. Zach Keasey really shouldn’t be on this team and i do hope if they carry 2 FB’s that Britt Miller makes the roster. Besides the two touchdowns which were awesome i think he did very well blocking within the scheme.
WR- Josh Morgan will break out this season, he was open on a few plays but Smith didn’t see him. Morgan actually burnt Bailey twice if i am not mistaken(I think that was him) , Jason Hill looked decent but did only catch one pass in extensive playing time. The wildcard here is Michael Spurlock, i think he can be a explosicve player within the right scheme. Meaning reverses, screens, handoffs etc….
OL- I am not sure what to make of their performance tonight. One one hand they did allow four sacks, but both Hill and Smith held on too long in two of the sacks. They did open up nice lanes in the running game, just imagine Gore in the backfield with those holes. I also noticed not one holding penalty, and possibly just one false start
DL- They got enough pressure on the QB to force some errant throws but still didn’t get a sack. Where was Kentwan Balmer? Did he play? Franklin looks like he is really improving and could end up being a pretty good NT, i saw him stuff Moreno twice on runs up the middle. Ricky-Jean Francois looked way over his head.
LB- Scott Mckellop looked pretty darn good from what i saw as did Jay Moore. Considering our backups played most of the game they did look pretty good. BTW i am turning into a big fan of Marques Harris who looked good tonight.
CB- Nate Clements was playing way off in the early going, i have no idea what was up with that. Can someone help me on this? But he made some real nice plays, especially the pic in the endzone which really wasn’t a bad pass by Orton. Clements just made the play and that’s what they pay him to do. Dre’ Bly looked absolutely awesome. Besides the INT i saw Bly make a nice play on Jordan at the line of scrimmage, good vision from the veteran. I think he will surprise this season. The one player that stuck out in my mind was Terrell Lambert, he looks like a player, making nice plays on the ball and breaking up a couple passes. I think we may have a steal in him. Did Terrell Brown play?
S- Curtis Taylor looked lost at times, i don’t know if he has what it takes. I will say that Reggie Smith has turned it up. He made a couple nice tackles on running plays and broke up some passes not too mention the INT. Will be a very good 4th safety this season
Overall: I like that we got the W even though it is pre-season. Our starters did out play Denver, that isn’t in question
Who Looked Good
1. Reggie Smith 2. Britt Miller 3. Terrell Lamber 4. Shaun Hill 5. Glenn Coffee 6. Scott Mckellop
Who looked bad
1. Ricky-Jean Francois 2. Curtis Taylor 3. Zach Keasey(limited time to injury(
4. Word-Daniels
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 15, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions
Agree pretty much
A quarterback who completes over seventy percent of his passes doesn’t suck.
If I was making the choice I’d go with Hill over Smith as starter, but not based on last night. If you people want to judge Hill on two passes (or Smith on seven), I’d say you’re a little quick on the trigger. That says more about you than the QBs.
More important, who’s going to put pressure on opposing QBs?
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 15, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Not enough of Hill with the first offense
It would have been good to see him on another drive, but he doesn’t need the work that Smith does. I was high on Lambert after he was drafted and he’ll be an addition in dime packages. I was thinking he could sub for Reggie at CB and Reg can play for Lewis on passing downs. I don’t think the defense looked good simply because Orton made bad plays. The pressure was terrible, passing on Burgess and the guy from Dallas was a mistake. Hopefully our DE’s improve vastly or maybe Manny isn’t the guy. I thought Parys looked bad in cverage and maybe the backup will take one of their spots. I forget his name. As far as the offense Morgan will be fine VD will make the probowl along with Gore. Tthere is a lot to build on but I think the d was something to worry about. Willis being gone is big please sit em til he’s 100 percent
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by rlott#42 on Aug 15, 2009 6:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Pressure was terrible
+1
I have been begging for the Niners to step up with a big time pass rusher since before the draft but too many Nation-ites have been responding that we already have what we need. We passed on a number of good rookie candidates but far worse than that, we passed on Burgess and Ellis. We had plenty of cap space but sat there and watched them get scarfed up. This was SO DUMB. Last year ESPN laughed at the fact that we couldn’t stop a high school team on 3rd downs and what have we done to improve the pressure upfront in the offseason? Nothing.
PLEASE don’t tell me we didn’t put any blitz packages in the mix. Neither did Denver and they were in our face plenty. This is a flaw we all have to get on the bandwagon about until Jed and Scott Mc hear us loud and clear and own up to the fact, and can feel our frustration.
We need to start a grass roots movement!
Come on, Fooch, after this game you have to admit I’ve been on target about this. If we have one monster pass rusher join this team we can make the playoffs. Without it we’re going to look like a bunch of stiffs on defense against even mediocre QBs and will be blown out of the water against good ones.
Everyone knows the math: No pass rush = our backfield can’t handle the extra time the QB has to let a play unfold , especially on 3rd downs = the QB has plenty of choices = touchdowns = “Clemens has lost a step and Bly sucks and we have no saftey” (all not true) = our offense is pressured to score in a hurry playing once again from behind = Hill sucks and why don’t we run more?
DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?
Tell me NinersNation, WHAT HAS CHANGED that will stop this pattern from happening again this year?
Wow
I have no idea what any of that means. Anybody NOT drinking Miller High Life with Sammallory want to try to tell me what this “math problem” means?
he has failed to realize we didn't have Gore and Willis in..
and yes they change our game THAT much
Since79 comments from FanPost
Since79 posted a FanPost with these comments. I thought I’d move them over here:
Would lover to see your comments, here are mine:
1. QB: Smith really looked shaky to me. QB rating aside I think Hill will win the starting job. Huard looked good. Gotta protect Davis. Where does that leave Smith?
2. Kory Sheets is the man. He could be a great player.
3. Coffee looked decent. Not a Star Bucks, but def a Pete’s Coffee.
4. Oline was decent. The starters anyway.
5. Vernon Davis: Give him a shot. He’s got the potential. And, go Bear. He hung in there.
6. WR: Morgan typically solid. Spurlock, gotta love ’em. Gotta keep ’em.
7. Fullback. I think Miller is better than people think. He showed it tongiht. Could beat out Keasey as the number 2.
8. Sorry guys, but the pass rush sucked as I predicted it would. If we can only rush on blitzes we’re in trouble. This is the biggest weak point on the team by far.
9. Safety looked solid. Reggie had a nice game. Roman didn’t do anything to endear me. He can’t possibly make the team. . .please.. I though Curtis Taylor looked pretty darn ok for his frist game. Great 7th round pick.
10 CBs: Lots of talent and lots of good luck. Word didn’t look very good tho. He probably won’t survive.
Final analysis: Dump Alex Smith. He just doesn’t have it. Dump Roman. And start admitting we need a pass rusher and see if by a stroke of wild luck we can pick up a veteran. Should have gone after Ellis. Don’t know who we can get now but I don’t trust our pass rush and with too many blitzes we’re gonna get burned.
Your turn . . . .
First reply
I agree with you
Maybe Smith was nervous. I would imagine he would. First game back (even though it was preseason). I hope that that isn’t the "new, strong-armed, confident" Alex Smith.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Aug 14, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by David Fucillo on Aug 15, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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Making excuses ?
For Alex Smith’s bad play? Come on, you’ve had 4 years of practice, you can do better than that.
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by David Fucillo on Aug 15, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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I had to Rec this article
Just because of the Coffee puns, apparently I’m not hte only one with a cheesy sense of humor.
Have to dissagree with you on Miller based on his performance last night. He got blown up at the line of scrimmage by a LB on an iso block and dropped an easy pass from Hu-Arrrrrd (when I say Hu-Arrrrrd in real life it sounds like Al Pacino saying Hu-Wahhhhhh in scent of a woman).
by Johnnysixnut on Aug 15, 2009 6:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by David Fucillo on Aug 15, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex and Miller
I HAVE ALWAYS ROOTED FOR ALEX: but not good so far.
*Two sacks were his fault: one – he held the ball too long, the other – Smith panicked too soon (pocket hadn’t collapsed) and rolled right and gave Denver’s end an easy sack.
*He consistanl takes too man steps in his dropback.
*The only reason Smith wasn’t intercepted was because Morgan made an excellent play and snagged the ball out of the defender’s hands.
- Like in previous years: Underthrows RB screen and ball sails on pass over Morgan.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE LIKE MILLER:
*The team will likely only keep 2 FBs. Zak is out but they already have Robinson and Moran Norris (who opened holes for Gore in his 1,600 plus season!)
*Hopefully they can stick him in Keasay’s kick coverage spot, or even as a backup LB (he was #3 in the nation in tackles – concidered “too short” to draft)
In my book, Keasay is gone.
And if Miller performs well in next weeks game he will make the squad. They will need to see if this kid is a one game wonder or the real deal. I think he can make it…
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 15, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I read on the ESPN ticker that Keasey broke his arm.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 15, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if that actually happened, though.
Because I didn’t see it happen during the game, and maybe they posted the old info. from when he broke his arm last season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 15, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, he broke it...
Right after he made a kick-coverage tackle, he stood up and started shaking his arm. That’s what I meant by “out”.
Please tell this is a new year!-Final Score: San Francisco 17 Denver 16
What does it say when your third string QB Damon Huard led the team in passing, going 7 of 9 for 98 yards and 1 TD. Hill still hold on to ball take another sack last year and Smith missed or forces passes like year! But there was no interceptions, yet! The OL big guys allowed 4 sacks, Just like year. We drafted no OL just year, too! Based upon this opening performance, WE may be trouble again!
Rookies Coffee and sheets looked good as well as Scott McKillop made 7 tackles and Vern Davis had no drops! I am still optimistic, but not happy. They reminded of last year team that win by making less mistakes than other team, NOT by outplaying and dominating their opponent!
C plus Performance which is not play-off level!
What does it say when your third string QB Damon Huard led the team in passing
…that it was the first preseason game and he got more playing time than anyone else
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Aug 16, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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