49ers training camp battles heading into the stretch
A month ago we did our rundown of training camp battles, adding an additional battle three weeks ago. My how things have changed...Some of the battles have been won and others are no longer really the same battle they were at the beginning of training camp. Additionally I think we can add a battle or two given how things have changed in the past week or so.
Quarterback
Participants: Shaun Hill, Alex Smith
Winner: Shaun Hill
And there you have it. Shaun Hill didn't exactly inspire confidence with his performance last weekend, but it apparently was just enough. Hill will be the starting quarterback week 1 at Glendale, Arizona and Alex Smith will be on the sideline. As somebody mentioned in the Hill post yesterday, Smith sprained his thumb making the post-interception tackle. It sounds like he won't be practicing this week, and thus won't be playing this weekend. Of course, that makes for an interesting question with our newest addition to the training camp battles:
QB #3/Practice Squad/Cut
Participants: Damon Huard, Nate Davis
Leader: Nate Davis
According to Barrows, Nate Davis took all the back-up reps in yesterday's practice. While Davis did not blow anybody away against the Raiders, he showed solid signs for a rookie who faced a lot of criticism coming out of college. The question in all this is whether the team would dare place him on waivers in order to put him on their practice squad. I've said no from the beginning. I started to question it a bit when he had no pass attempts against the Broncos. It will be interesting to see how the snaps break down this Saturday. I'd imagine Hill and the first team offense will play the entire first half. Maybe then go Davis in the third quarter and Huard in the fourth quarter? Or do you know what Huard can do and give Davis the entire second half? Either way, Davis is getting enough playing time that it might be tough to sneak him through waivers at the end of the preseason.
Right Tackle
Participants: Adam Snyder, Marvel Smith
Winner: Adam Snyder
In his post-practice press conference, Mike Singletary stated that Adam Snyder would be the starting right tackle week 1 at Arizona. Snyder was knocked out of last weekend's game with a knee sprain and will sit out this Saturday at Dallas. He'll be day-to-day next week but I wouldn't expect to see much of him at San Diego anyways, given that it's the last preseason game of the year. However, I was certainly a bit surprised to see Snyder grab hold of the first team reps and run with it. Marvel Smith was supposedly going to get his crack and take over the starting job. However, looking at Singletary's comments, it sounds like Smith really isn't completely healthy (or at least we can infer that from the comment):
"Well, right now we need to look at how Marvel is progressing. That’s the thought right now, but we don’t want to rush the program that we have Marvel on. We want to make sure that he is ready to do that, full time."
Smith is practicing once a day (as opposed to the normal two-a-days). Rotoworld said that Marvel Smith would be the "swing" tackle, backing up Snyder and Joe Staley, but that seemed more like random speculation on their part. At this point, if Smith isn't completely healthy, I'd hope the 49ers think Sims or Boone will be a sufficient backup. We'll definitely keep an eye on Marvel Smith's situation. Snyder may have won the job, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some instability at right tackle this season.
Backup Offensive Tackle
Participants: Alex Boone, Barry Sims
Leader: Barry Sims
I realize folks are high on Boone and might strongly disagree with me on this. And Alex Boone may very well end up making the roster. However, at this point, playing time would seem to dictate that Sims has the lead on this job and Boone could be headed to the practice squad. I see this primarily because Sims is playing ahead of Boone so far. This weekend could be interesting because of Snyder's absence. Marvel Smith played last week so I'd imagine he'll get the start at right tackle. After he and Staley leave the game, we might get a chance to see Boone AND Sims on the field at the same time. Obviously different sides of the line, but I'm still intrigued to see what they do at the same time. I'd really like Boone to win the backup job, but time is running short. Speaking of this battle, any thoughts on Jacob Bender at this point? Folks seem to like him, but it doesn't seem like he's gonna end up with enough love to make the roster.
4th? Wide Receiver
Participants: Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler, Micheal Spurlock
Leader: Arnaz Battle
Battle is seeing the most immediate playing time as he filled in for Isaac Bruce when Bruce left after the first series. Battle continues to hang around and seems to be look at some serious playing time this season. Heck, he might even be ready to move past Jason Hill on the depth chart if Hill isn't too careful. I've found the positioning of the wide receivers to be fascinating in light of Michael Crabtree's holdout and Brandon Jones' injury. At this point, Micheal Spurlock could very well be playing his way into a roster spot, at least until Crabtree signs. The problem in all this is the albatross hanging around the 49ers neck in Brandon Jones. He was looking good in camp until the injury, but now the team has to hang on to him until he gets healthy, as they cannot place him on the PUP list. Unless the team keeps Spurlock around special teams' purposes, it's gonna be a tough sell at this point.
Left Defensive End
Participants: Isaac Sopoaga, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans
Leader: Isaac Sopoaga
Balmer really seems to be showing some skills in the preseason, but the team is pushing Isaac Sopoaga as well. He got a ton of playing time last week, even moving over to nose tackle for a bit in the second half. This rotation could be rather interesting. The team will be rotating bodies along the line so all of these guys will need to be read and able to jump right in at a moments notice. Although one person will win the "starting" job, I think all three of these guys will see significant playing time this season.
Cornerback
Participants: Dre Bly, Tarell Brown
Leader: Dre Bly (but maybe closer than expected)
Bly has gotten almost all the first team reps in camp thanks to Tarell Brown's toe injury early on. And yet, I think this race somehow remains tight. Brown has finally returned to practice and at times both Brown and Bly have been getting first team reps, sometimes at the same time, with Clements sitting out. Additionally, in the team's game release for this weekend, they've included an unofficial depth chart which still lists Tarell Brown as the #1 cornerback. Hmmmmmmm? Reason to be suspicious, or nothing to consider all that much? I'm not all that sure at this point what's going on with this. Maybe they figure the #3 corner will see a ton of playing time so it's worth getting them both time with the 1s.
We'll be back again later next week to provide one last round of these battles coming down the home stretch heading into the final preseason game of the year.
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I’m not sure what Jason Hills status is?!
by goatfather on Aug 25, 2009 8:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My take
3rd string QB: I don’t see why this is even a controversy anymore. Davis showed some promise in the last game, enough where i think it’d be smart to keep him around. At the very least he’s good enough for some non-contender to hide him at the back end of their roster. Huard is an aging backup who in the 3rd QB spot has what, maybe a 10-15% chance of seeing any snaps this year? You don’t risk losing a promising rookie when the guy you’re retaining in his place has a very small chance of making any impact.
Right Tackle: I hope if Marvel Smith isn’t healthy enough to start he can at least be the swing tackle. If Staley got injured either Sims or Boone would be an absolute disaster at LT.
Backup Tackle: Hopefully Boone is good enough to beat out a guy like Barry Sims, but if not he should make the practice squad.
4th WR: I think Hill and Battle will be the 3rd/4th WR’s. Spurlock will be the #5 if Crabtree hasn’t signed by the time the season starts. I don’t really see much hope that Ziegler makes the team, but he’s still practice squad eligible right?
Left Defensive End: Sopoaga will start, but as you said all of them will see playing time in the rotation anway.
Cornerback: I think Bly will start week 1 with Brown in the nickel but eventually Brown might usurp Bly in the starting lineup.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 25, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe Ziegler has one more year of PS eligibility left but I read that he has the best hands on the team. He’s also the tallest wideout and could be useful on goal line plays. I think either Hill or Battle don’t make it. Trade bait perhaps?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Aug 25, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also the tallest wideout and could be useful on goal line plays.
Except for the fact he weighs practically nothing.
by sfgfan on Aug 25, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if he catches everything in his vicinity that’s job #1 for a WR. If he can catch 90% of fade routes that means he does something no one else on our roster can do. Having that threat and turning more 3’s into 7’s could make a two win difference.
Having said that I don’t want to lose Hill and Battle seems to consistently convert 3rd downs. Plus he can throw passes and return punts.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Aug 25, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re, the 3rd QB
It’s highly unlikely that both Hill and Smith will go down hurt in the same game, so should one of them go down, they can always pick up someone off the scrapheap mid season as cover. Also, should the 49ers lose them both, the season is pretty much screwed anyway (and they probably won’t have been too successful, if the line is so porous as to allow two QBs to have been damaged), so it really won’t matter all that much who plays.
That said, I’d like Davis to not get on the field this year (see also, Alex Smith circa 2005), but I don’t see that there’s any flexibility sacrificed by keeping him on the 53 man roster and cutting Huard
by bobnothing on Aug 25, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
I hope he gets ample playing time in the final two games and we can find a trade partner. Am I alone on this? I know Nate lit up the Raiders scrubs, but I’d be comfortable with Huard backing up Hill and Nate as the 3rd QB.
We certainly won’t be carrying the four horsemen of the apocalypse on our roster, will we? (yes, I will nickname the 49ers QBs that if we carry 4 this season)
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 25, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Smith's finger
A. Smith got a sprained finger on Saturday night, so he’ll probably get no snaps this week or playing time against the Cowboys.
I don’t think there’s a big market out there for Alex Smith either, at this time of year. He’s a slow learn so unless you want him as some kind of project you’re not going to bring him in to a new offense at the end of August. And I don’t think that the Niners are ready to give up on Smith. Maybe next year, but not now.
As far as Huard is concerned, there will be a number of old quarterbacks sitting around this fall. If Hill gets injured Huard will probably be there to sign.
by Bob On The Coast on Aug 25, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that Huard will be around if we cut him, and I didn’t realize Smith sprained his finger. Where the hell have I been?
But even if we can get a 6th round pick for Smith, I’d be comfortable with the 3 remaining guys we have on the roster as our QBs for the season. Smith doesn’t bring a lot more to the table than Huard (youth, speed, that’s about it), and I think I’d rather have Huard come in if Hill went down to injury.
I was pumped for Smith at the beginning of the season, but after seeing him in action, I’m quite deflated regarding his status as the team’s QB2.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 25, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the ohter Hill?
Not Shaun or Singletary Summit, I mean Jason. He seems to be the odd man out this pre-season. Makes me wonder if we shouldn’t have signed Jones, though we had no way of knowing Crabtree would drop in the draft. Hill’s one advantage is that he has performed in games and did so with S. Hill at QB. The seemed to have a repore late last season. That would be to his advantge over Battle, Spurlock and Ziegler.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Aug 25, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only battles remaining are for backup pass rushers.
We’ve got two spots for backup OLB/PR with Diyral Briggs, Ahmad Brooks, Jay Moore, Marques Harris, and Justin Roland all fighting for the spots. Right now, it appears to me that Brooks is a lock and Harris is leading for the other spot. If Jay Moore doesn’t show up against Dallas he may be the first cut, and I really don’t think Briggs or Roland have a real shot.
Here’s a question nobody is asking – Is it time to trade A. Smith and move on? As long as he remains on the roster, Hill can never be comfortable and Huard doesn’t really have a role. I say admit it was a mistake and move on with Nate Davis as the developmental QB and Huard as the primary backup. Davis could be ready to go in a couple of years, and if not, it didn’t cost much. Trading Smith would also free up a roster spot for Sheets, Boone, Spurlock, etc.
by MontanaPass on Aug 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moore
He’s got PS eligibility, I think, so he’s making it to final cuts.
by sfgfan on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been on IR for two years - does he have PS eligibility?
Not sure how all that works, but thought I read somewhere he doesn’t. But after two years, he needs to step up and show something. Anything. I’ve been pulling for him, but he hasn’t done much in TC that I can tell.
by MontanaPass on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS eligible
Jay Moore is eligible for the practice squad. I believe he has all his PS eligibility b/c he’s never been on the active roster.
by Fooch on Aug 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According
to Takeo Spikes, Briggs is a stud who has a great work ethic and shows real talent. Spikes was raving about him.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Aug 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to be a difficult call.
All these guys have something going for them, but there are only two spots. As usual, I think it will boil down to Special Teams contributions. I find it curious that so many ex-49ers are doing so well with other teams right now – B. Bajema & Larry Grant with the Rams, JTO with the Bungles, Keith Lewis with the Cards. Our talent level has improved significantly since ’05.
by MontanaPass on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'd like to see Briggs remain with the team
he’d probably be safe on the PS for a year though and maybe could move up after that.
I have no attachment to Marques Harris whatsoever
by foosball4949 on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RB
No one is talking about the running back situation. We went from being a team with all our hopes in one guy ( GORE) to a team with 3 backs that could start anywhere in the league. I am still not sold on Robinson but what do we do ? Keep all 4 backs? Coffee, Robinson, and Gore are a lock but Sheets has shown brilliance and so much promise. I think we keep Sheets and throw him in special teams.He is too big of a talents to just let go.
by Craig P on Aug 25, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree on
Korey Sheets. I really liked this young man out of Pitt and watching him in the game he has the extra speed that our other backs do not have. Hey may be able to be to us what Reggie Bush is to N.O. a slot running back.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Aug 25, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is something I haven't seen in years
To many good players in certain positions ( WR, RB ). It feels good and bad. Some will be put on the PS and some will be let loose. It’s a tough call for anyone. I know that some of my young favorites will be on the PS.
I would like to see the NFL increase the Roster to 56 or 58 in the future. Thought I heard that they have discussed that. Any truth to that idea ?
by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 25, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll have to
if they expand the season to 18 games.
by Bob On The Coast on Aug 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sheets will wind up making the team if he shows enough in the last couple games.
I think our team would be hard pressed not to keep 5 backs since we’re focusing on the power running game and Robinson can serve as a backup FB and third-down back as the 5th RB while also playing special teams, leaving Norris to block and Gore, Coffee, and Sheets to run.
This puts one of our new FBs on the PS, hopefully Brit Miller, I don’t think anyone would pluck him off and he needs at least a year to learn the position before he would seem any time in a game. I understand why people like him and I really do to, I’ve been saying it from day 1, but it’s just not realiztic to expect him to make the 53 this time around
by foosball4949 on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
I think Sheets makes the team, now that Clayton and Keasy are gone. Robinson will be the backup fullback and special teams ace, and sheets will make the roster as the 3rd halfback
by poi_dog on Aug 25, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 backs that could "start anywhere"?
Yeah, that’s a bit much. Gore is a stud, and Coffee looks to be a great second option, but I’m really not as high on Sheets as everyone else seems to be. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy…but I just don’t see him fitting in on this roster. Michael Robinson is too valuable as a special teams player, and he’s made huge strides this pre-season with his blocking. Several of the runs that Coffee and Sheets sprung against Oakland the other day were insured by solid lead blocks by Robinson out of the fullback position.
I’d love to have Sheets on the practice squad, though. If there were an injury to our backfield, I’d feel pretty good about him stepping up onto the active roster. I just don’t see him cracking the 53 as a fifth back.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Aug 25, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of the success of the 49ers running attach so far can be given to Rathman.
Rathman is a punisher and he knows the position and when he was with the 9ers a few years ago as a coach our running game was good.
I would like to see Robinson make it but not because of special teams. More for his versitility as a RB and FB and receiver.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Aug 25, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fooch
from what i jeard from singletary in this particular press pass on their official site was that marvel smith is in the running for first string, i would watch that part again if i were you..
by 2ninersonecup on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
from the transcript of his press conference yesterday
This is where I got my info:
On whether he will be the starter in the first regular season game:
"I think so."
So I guess that means Smith is in the running still. However, given how Singletary is with his words, if it was truly a close competition I don’t think he would have said I think so. But I’ll keep an eye out.
by Fooch on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The truth is that he only practices once a day. Sing said they are keeping an eye on him so he doesn’t get hurt. That only tells me he may not be ready for full contact or not able to handle 4 quarters. I knew this would happen ! I was against signing him from the beginning !
by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 25, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kentwan Balmer
I like he showed some effort on his forced fumble play. still would like to see our team get better at pass block/rush.
I watched both preseason games, but the game @ Dallas should give us a better measure, for all positions.
And my hats off to Coach Sing. for showing our team toughness. Any of our previous teams would have lost both preseason games seeing as they were close.
NINERS 4 LIFE
by LADubbz45 on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of this battle, any thoughts on Jacob Bender at this point?
I was under the impression that Bender was an interior lineman – listed as a guard with some experience at center. We’re much thinner there than we are at tackle, so I don’t really see him competing against Sims/Boone for a roster spot.
I could be wrong, though o.o
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
depth chart
In the unofficial depth chart he’s listed as a tackle.
by Fooch on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Snyder is the starting RT?
…Oh, dear.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 25, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He has been working there and looking real good.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Aug 25, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Alex Smith was?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 25, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the coaches said that Smith was doing good
We have seen that Synder is doing good from the preseason games. Big difference
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Aug 25, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith hasn't looked good at all in games
At least Snyder has, for what it’s worth.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 25, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder
It’s true he could end up sucking. One reason I’m reserving judgment is that this is the first time he’s been at the same position the entire time and not getting moved around from guard to tackle. He could certainly prove bad, but I’m gonna hold off deciding yet.
by Fooch on Aug 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that, but...
It’s not like Snyder was any good at guard either.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 25, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still throwing stones?
How is Edge and makeshift offensive line going?
by bignerd on Aug 25, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awful.
But at least I’m not sitting on delusions based on training camp reports and preseason performances. Not necessarily saying you are.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
snyder
was a bit of a tweener coming out of college, and he certainly didn’t play well at guard, but from we are seeing thus far, he is making nice strides as the RT.
at the same time, I almost shuddered when I saw that Singletary said Snyder is likely to be the starting RT in week 1.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 25, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still haven't gevin up on Brit Miller making the squad somehow.
Since he is a convert from LB to FB they may keep him as a filler on both sides of the ball.. I just like the kid and think he can be a solid contributor.
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 25, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Practice Squad Player
He needs to pitch that he can play both FB and LB on scout team.
by bignerd on Aug 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my projections:
QB – Shaun Hill – Alex Smith – Nate Davis
RB – Frank Gore – Glen Coffee – Kory Sheets
FB – Moran Norris – Michael Robinson
WR – Josh Morgan – Isaac Bruce – Jason Hill – Arnaz Battle – Dominique Zeigler – Brandon Jones
TE – Vernon Davis – Delanie Walker – Bear Pascoe
OT – Joe Staley – Adam Snyder – Marvel Smith – Alex Boone
OG – David Baas – Chilo Rachal – Tony Wragge
C – Eric Heitmann – Cody Wallace
DL- Justin Smith – Aubrayo Franklin – Isaac Sopoaga – Kentwan Balmer – Demetric Evans – Ray McDonald
ILB – Patrick “God” Willis – Takeo Spikes – Jeff Ulbrich – Scott McKillop
OLB – Parys Haralson – Manny Lawson – Ahmad Brooks – Marques Harris
CB – Nate Clements – Dre Bly – Tarrell Brown – Shawntae Spencer – Marcus Hudson
S – Dashon Goldson – Michael Lewis – Reggie Smith – Mark Roman
ST – Joe Nedney – Andy Lee – Allen Rossum – Brian Jennings
Practice Squad:
DL – Ricky Jean-Francois
S – Curtis Taylor
OLB – Diyral Briggs
NT – Khalif Mitchell
CB – Carlos Thomas, Terrail Lambert
FB – Brit Miller
WR – Michael Spurlock (if eligible, i’m not sure)
Note: Marcus Hudson is probably the first guy off to make room for Crabtree when he signs, as Rossum can play cornerback too.
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by these3words on Aug 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When is the last day for free agency?
If Jed let me run the show for a day, I’d go out and buy some pass rush to make our D-backfield look better…
by dartdart on Aug 25, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no last day
There’s just nobody any good left.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 25, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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