Marvel Smith - Done
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
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PrintAccorinding to PFT, Marvel Smith is indeed retiring. Big thanks to sfgfan for getting a speculative fanshot up. With the retirement of Mr. Smith, this leaves our RT situation directly on Adam Snyder's shoulders. In other words, we could be in trouble, despite Snyder showing considerable improvement. It also means that Alex Boone could stand a pretty good chance at making this roster. I'm sure Fooch will have more on this when he can, but for now Niners Nation, how does Marvel's retirement make you feel?
Personally, I feel rather upset and disappointed. I mean, we completely ignored RT in the draft because all our eggs were in the Marvel Smith basket. He hasn't been healthy at all, and now with the retirement, will contribute nothing to our team. Here's hoping Adam Snyder can beast his way to a productive season, but I hear Fearless Frog laughing somewhere.
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i mean seriously....WTF
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
i think that sums it up nicely.
unfortunately.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf
WTF INDEED!
dude this not good at all….forget the dumb bs and get another decent lineman asap
GORE NEEDS THE BLOCKS AND HELP!!!!! GO GO GO!!! ASAP!
I don't care much ...
… he came in with the back injury anyway and it was always said that he’d struggle to play much. Snyder was going to start, so we’ve just lost a back-up (admittedly a distinguished one) and a lot of folks on here were excited about Boone anyway, so now he gets to be the back-up, and we don’t have to worry about him needing to start, as Snyder is there provided, and assuming, the injury that keeps him out of tomorrow’s game in Dallas is not a serious one. Boone, presumably, gets a chance in Dallas to show what he can do.
Also, even if you could have predicted the holdout, you’d still have ignored OT in the draft once Crabtree fell to 10th, wouldn’t you? Michael Oher signing straight away or Crabtree holding out until week one of the regular season, then signing, and becoming a legend almost immediately?
I agree
Crab at 10 was the pick no matter what, but I think we could’ve addressed a RT elsewhere a long the way, not necessarily in round 1.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
True
Good point. In fact, it’s interesting to wonder how things would have panned out differently in the draft if the club had known Marvel wasn’t going to work out. Maybe the second round, when we traded with Carolina (though we got a heck of a deal there and I’m so excited about what that could mean in 2010). Maybe the third round, but Coffee is already looking like you wouldn’t want to have not picked him up. Perhaps after that – are OTs easier or harder to find in the later rounds than other positions?
by LondonNiner on Aug 28, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Tackles are tough to find in any round...
especially in the later rounds…unless your coaching staff can take time and develop the player
by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 28, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Disappointed.
Why go through the rigors of training camp (sure only 1-a-day’s for Smith, but still) if you’re just going to retire?
On the upside, it means Boone is a lock for the 53-man…right?
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Boone
I think he is a lock now. If before it was either he or Sims making the roster, I’d imagine both make it now.
What about Levi Jones or Jon Runyan
AKA.............Optimist Prime
"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"
Is this strike two or strike three?
Jonas Jennings
Marvel Smith
Does the rest of the 2009 off season count?
I guess the good news is the retirement gives the 49ers a roster spot to try to fill the hole. Alex Boone just made the team unless the 49ers grab an OT another team cut.
Wow, didn't expect that.
Way to wait almost 3 whole weeks into the preseason to tell us that!
So what does this mean money-wise? Are we still obligated to pay him some money?
I imagine it was a difficult decision for all parties involved
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
This.
An athlete as young as Smith is (he’s not that old, yet) must have a VERY tough time admitting that it’s time to hang up the cleats.
I think the FO and coaching staff also want to give him as much of a chance as possible
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
There may have been some background noise on this with the coaching staff.
In any event it is what it is. I know its a bit late to bring some on in however at this point we will need to do something. With the heavy emphasis on the running game we will need big people upfront to open the holes for Gore and Coffee. Maybe FA market?
Should we be grateful that he did this now, before any roster cuts and with two games for Sims and Boone to get mucho playing time at RT? Or should we be upset that this guy signed, practiced and waited until now to retire?
I go more with the former and am happy to know that Snyder beat him out straight up and was not the backup plan. Perhaps he even shed some knowledge (position and being on a SB winner) with Snyder, Booner or other young lineman. The only draft regret would be if Crabtree doesn’t sign but that’s total 20/20 hindsight that no one could have seen coming re two players.
Oh well. It’s never about one guy.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Upset that we signed him in hopes of shoring up the RT position and not prompting us to use our 10th pick on a Tackle, or to trade down. Happy, IF he isn’t owed a huge amount of money, because he could have very easily claimed a back injury and played sparingly, if at all this season, yet still collect a portion of his contract.
It's not like Smith was practicing a whole lot...
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Niners should...
Pick up another vet via FA to compete for a spot… As excited as everyone is about Boone, it doesn’t really seem like he has wowed anyone during his short time.
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Aug 28, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
Atleast Snyder has shown improvement.
He was getting there at the end of last year as well. I would’nt be surprised if we went and signed another FA before the season starts. Good riddence Smith.
"Bar None!" - William Floyd
I believe
that with Smith gone Snyder and Boone will do a great job.
I believe this because otherwise I’ll start crying.
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
Another thought
Smith may have been told that he wasn’t going to make the team, that Snyder was the starter and Boone would be his backup.
In other words, Coach Sing may have given Smith a chance to retire gracefully.
by Bob In Beaverton on Aug 28, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm...
I’m just gonna assume that thats what happened, because its easier to swallow. Boone and Snyder are looking so good that Smith was forced into retirement.
Thing A
Yeah, but if he really wanted to play he would have asked to be released so he could find another team to play for.
Agreed.
That is what I ment by my comment about the “background noise from the staff”
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 28, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Believing that the team will do better is something that we are getting accustomed to here in the Bay Area with all our Sports teams. Believing the Giants will make the Playoffs. Believing Al Davis will some day die. Believing the 49ers can actually put a winning team together. Believing the A’s will put more money into team payroll. Believing the Warriors can look respectable and win. Believing the Sharks can win in the playoffs.
I’m tired of believing.
BOHICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever heard of the Huckabuck???
Thats the position the Niners are left in.
Next time maybe they draft what they need (OL and pass rushers) instead of trading away draft picks and trying to put a band aid on a gushing wound with over the hill free agents.
Build from the inside out instead of with premadonnas and gambling.
Right.
Like they were intending to build on Marvel Smith. Everything is a gamble, even taking an OT with that second round pick.
We could have drafted Phil Loadholt in the 2nd round.
So instead of having him roadgrade for Frank Gore, he’s in Minnesota roadgrading for Adrian Peterson. We’ll see them later in the season – hope we’re not all crying in our beers by that time. Snyder was pretty bad in pass pro last year(9.5 sacks allowed), so let’s hope he really has improved a lot and that Joe Staley stays healthy.
The only thing I don't understand is this:
How in the world did he pass the initial physical? What were the trainers looking for? What did they miss? As it stands, I’d imagine the 49ers are on the hook for any signing bonus, unless they’re going to file a grievance to have Smith pay it back.
2 Back Surgeries
Who could of expected this? Okay, If you’re a realist you saw this coming ..both Marvel Smith and Brandon Jones (even though it wasn’t his knee) going down.
-—
The coaching staff praising the improvement of Snyder, are the same people that were praising Alex Smith during training camp.
Everyone knows who the niners should of taken
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811e0899/Ravens-23-Redskins-0
WHOOOO???
You linked to a clip that showed a whole game. That’s stupid. I have no idea who you mean except MAYBE Orakpo which by that clip only had ONE pressure versus 2nd and 3rd stringers. GREAT clip…
Good thing we didn't draft a tackle this year.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It's almost as if he isn't being sarcastic.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 29, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Bummer guys :(
If it makes you feel any better, my Hawks are in the same boat with big Walt … I won’t be shocked if he retires soon.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
Well
This is horrible news. It leaves the 49ers offensive line extremely thin. If either Staley or Snyder goes down that would force them to start a inexperienced rookie or a veteran with little to no talent who doesn’t even belong on an NFL roster. The niners must go out an sign a veteran tackle. Good news is that there remains experience veterans still remaining on the market, the bad news is these players are either way past their prime or aren’t good enough to land on a roster as of yet.
Players the niners could look at include
Jason Fabini, 11 years exp Washington Redskins
Wayne Gandy, 15 years exp Atlanta Falcons
Fred Miller, 13 years exp Chicago Bears
John Runyan, 13 years exp Philadelphia Eagles
But the best bet would be Mark Taushcer a 9 year veteran from the Green Bay Packers. He has started for them for the last 5 season and i am still wondering why he isn’t signed yet. Could someone help me with that?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
I was going by ESPN’s list of remaining NFL free agents and apparently they either missed Jones or the list has not been updated. I wasn’t aware that he was a free agent. What happened? Did the Bungels release him or what? Obviously that is the guy the 49ers should target immediately. They have worked fast in addressing certain needs this off-season in signing Bly the day of Walt Harris’ injury and in replacing Jonas Jennings with the aforementioned Marvel Smith pretty quickly. So now i hope they work fast in addressing this new area of concern and yes i do have complete confidence in the front office to do so. SIGN LEVI NOW!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 28, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the Bengals released Levi Jones shortly after they drafted Andre Smith.
Mark Tauscher’s knee is in horrible condition, last I checked.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 28, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the shoutout <3
Although I must say that I had no idea Marvel’s back was that worrisome.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Better now than later
The team will pick up a tackle in FA right away. It could be worse: Snyder could have been really hurt in game 1. Will give the team two weeks now a chance to assess Boone. Not the end of the world.
Not Exactly!
He really doesn’t have the negotiating leverage right now. It’s nearly September and he is a free agent so my guess is that he would take a one or two year contract at about 3 million per and then sign the lucrative deal when he has an entire off-season. That’s just my guess, not too many players sign multi year, multi million dollar contracts this close to the season. Look at Eric Green for a second! He signed a 5 million dollar per contract earlier in the off-season only to settle for the veteran minimum with the 49ers last week.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 28, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
We suddenly go from “Hopefully no one snatches up our young lineman off waivers” to “Hopefully we can snatch up someone’s lineman off waivers”
Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.
?
why wait till now ?? WTF2 (to the s
by nacho49 on Aug 28, 2009 5:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Smith
was not going to last the whole season. Second vertigo, better now than later. We’re probably going to slough off Huard… I just don’t see why the FO is so tight. We could have bought some pass rush. We could have bought some blocking. I just hope we don’t take a face shot in Dallas because of this. I’m in Western Texas (aka Albuquerque) and the Boys fans are ridiculous out here…
All eggs in one basket with an injury riddled RT.
Shaun Hill watch your backside? No thats not Alex Smith’s welcoming touch.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Phil Loadholt
woulda, shoulda, coulda, DIDN’T!
Enjoy that mauling beast, and feel thankful that Scot McCloughan wanted a 2010 first rounder instead of him.
I still like the 2010 first rounder from Carolina, but damn, I’m started to do some double-taking on it, especially since Smith has retired and we could’ve selected the big Load himself.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Loadholt is not a first round talent
I’ll take the much better prospect and wait a year.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 28, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
that loadholt isn’t a first round talent, and I realize we received first round compensation, but still if Marvel Smith wasn’t in the picture at the time of the draft, I have to wonder if the team would’ve handled the situation a bit differently (like taking Loadholt in round 2).
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They might have
I’d still do the trade regardless though. In fact, I’d take that trade basically every year (if possible) unless there was an elite talent (ie: not Everette Brown) that fell to the second round for some reason and he was a perfect fit for my team.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i liked the trade when it happened
and I still like it now, I just have an ounce of doubt creeping into mind – time to kill that doubt with Mr. Al Key Hall.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
(sigh)
well, time for me to hop on the “Give Alex Boone A Roster Spot!” bandwagon
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Well
It’s not like he was gonna start. Lets hope Snyder improves a LOT and Boone can serve as a decent backup. It is what it is…
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
As much as some folks don’t like that phrase, it is the truth. And so applicable here. Smith wasn’t even going to start. A healthy and improved Snyder means he would never play. We’re still where we were last week except now Boone certainly makes the roster. No problem with that.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
"Smith wasn’t even going to start. "
If I’m not mistaken, Smith was pegged as the starting RT until Snyder had a decent preseason and was given the benefit of the doubt because Smith didn’t practice much because of the injury issues.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 29, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Was is they key word
No longer even before retirement. He got beat out for the starting spot. That speaks well of Snyder who did not win it by default.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Personally, I feel rather upset and disappointed. I mean, we completely ignored RT in the draft because all our eggs were in the Marvel Smith basket.
The bolded part is the problem. Putting all your eggs in the basket of an aging veteran with nasty back problems is not a good idea. It’s not Smith’s fault he cant play, what else is he supposed to do?
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 28, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions
I agree, this one is on the FO...
I think I recall a post or two back before the draft and there were many of us who were devided on the M.Smith deal.. Many did in fact highlight his age, and back issues, then that was all forgotten when the draft came… Sooooo, here we are, and until the brain trust comes up with another “deal” then we the fans will have to sit on our hands and hope that what we have today will work.
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 28, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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