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It's too late now but...

I can't help but wonder what would've happened had the 49ers drafted an offensive tackle instead of Rod Tidwell, er, Michael Crabtree with the 10th pick of the draft.  (Though to be fair, at least the fictional Tidwell was an established player who sought more money, and Eugene Parker is no Jerry Maguire; but I digress)   Of course, hindsight is 20/20 but I do think we got caught up in the hype and lost focus of our problem areas.  Lest we forget, the team gave up 55 sacks last season.   To solve this dilemma, we went after a washed up player in Marvel Smith (missed 15 games in the past two seasons and 29 games since 2003.)  and now we're in a real pickle because he retired.

Michael Other was still available at the 10th slot.  The Niners also could've moved up to grab Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith.  I do remember some debating the merits of going  after someone to shore up our defensive line as well. And then there were people who really wanted Crabtree.  Hell, I was a bit excited about him falling to us initially.  Still, you had to wonder how he would get  the ball if Shaun Hill didn't have time to get it to him.  Having watched the pre-season games, the offensive line looked mediocre and the defensive line didn't look very strong even against the lowly Raiders.  That last game against the Cowboys was especially troubling.  However, the past is the past and we can only make adjustments here in the present. 

Star-divide

As throughly discussed by fooch on the main page, we can stick with players  like Barry Sims and Alex Boone.  Conversely, we can bring in a top free agent.  A third option that wasn't discussed in the main article but in the comments section was that of a trade.  I believe this is the course we should take.  The question to me really becomes a matter of how much we want to give up.  One of those 2 shiny first round picks would get us someone really good.   I like Pro Bowler Jason Peters.  He's young (27) and very good.  It took the Eagles a first and fourth rounder to get him though so we'd probably also have to throw in that as well as something else.  Perhaps a three team deal where we trade Alex Smith and the picks away.  (The Eagles are already quite deep at quarterback)  If that is too rich for your blood, then at least send a second rounder and maybe Smith for Matt Light.  He's a bit older (31) but still very good.  While we're at it, perhaps we could also pick up a pass rusher. 

I'm not as sure where the problem lies with our pass rush.  I think Justin Smith is serviceable.  I'm content with the linebackers.  I think Issac Sopoaga and Aubrayo Franklin are to blame.  (Though I'm also not a fan of the 3-4)  The free agent list looks ugly for defensive tackle.  I looked on scout.com like fooch and seen players such as Dewayne "Who?" Robertson and Brain "Yawn" Young are still available.  Available defensive ends aren't very appealing either.  I do like Vonnie Holliday but he's well past his prime.  Would trading for say Aaron Kampman be too much to ask for?  Bottom line is that I feel that we need to make a couple key acquisitions in order to both give Hill some time in the pocket and put some pressure on opposing quarterbacks.   Otherwise, I fear it's gonna be one long season..

Poll
What should we do now?
Stick with what we have and wait until next year's draft
22 votes
Get an OT via free agency but trade for DL
3 votes
Trade for an offensive tackle and defensive lineman
4 votes
Get an OT via trade but stick with our DL
1 votes
Get a DL via trade but stick with our Ot
0 votes
Get a DL via free agency but trade for OT
0 votes
I don't know but I still feel like sulking because Crabtree hasn't signed
1 votes
All I know is that I can't wait for Crabtree's stock to fall if/when he reenters the draft
4 votes
Other, because no matter how many options are provided to me in any poll, I will always say undecided or I don't know
5 votes

40 votes | Poll has closed

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Peters

The Eagles signed Peters to a long term deal after acquiring him.

by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right...

Thanks. Though I hope we go after someone of his caliber via trade.

by 9erguy on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moran Norris?

Unless a player retires or is put on IR, shouldn’t you reserve judgment until the season starts?

by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What? Why? O_o

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 31, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just going by the players that have outplayed Norris since 2007

by supraman on Aug 31, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding

He was lead block in Gore’s best season, and Smith was the starter so you know ther was always 8 in the box

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Aug 31, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think.

And his pass-blocking is suspect. Although I think he was a fine addition simply because Zak Keasey was so mind-numbingly awful.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 1, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although I think he was a fine addition simply because Zak Keasey was so mind-numbingly awful.

This. Sooooo this. I don’t think Norris is close to being a top FB, but his run-blocking is probably at least slightly above-average, and that should help Gore. Whether or not it’ll help out the passing game is a totally different situation.

by sfgfan on Sep 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see Norris being on the field much in passing situations.

With Bruce/Crabs/Morgan at WR and Davis/Walker at TE, I would imagine that we’ll be seeing the single-back formation almost exclusively on 3rd-and-7+

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great foresight

If only any of these front office types thought of that.

Oh by the way, i clicked on your footer and got the following error:

“404: The page you were looking for doesn’t exist.

This page may have moved, or you may have mistyped the address or followed a bad link.

If you think an error has occurred, please contact us at bugreport@sbnation.com.

Sorry for the trubba!"

by 9erguy on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

If I recalll correctly...

… Jason Peters is as much a liability as most of the other tackles on the FA heap this past offseason. He may have had a Pro Bowl attached to his name, but we all know that “award” means very little in terms of current skill or ability.

by sfgfan on Aug 31, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

ROTFL

Love the Rod Tidwell “Jerry Maguire” drop LMFAO

by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

since the off-season......

I’ve wondered about Julius Peppers. He doesn’t want to be in Carolina, and wants to play in a 3-4. Playing under a hall-of-famer would be a plus, also.

With 2 first round picks for next year, maybe something could be worked out (unless we really need 2 more unproven head cases and/or underachievers that seem to come with our 1st round picks).

As far as the O-line, I think they will come around soon. Snyder, for all the problems he had last year, played better in the second half, And in my opinion, played better than Jennings or Sims.

by remembertheCATCH on Aug 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

There should be a filter...

… built into the site that filters out “peppers” and “first round picks”.

by sfgfan on Sep 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

then how about

herbs and spices sprinkled throughout?

(weak humor I know, I wasn’t here for any previous talk of (un-named DE) sorry.

by remembertheCATCH on Sep 1, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

Hilarious. Nice work, 9erguy.

by LondonNiner on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meant to post that in response to nocal81 praising the Tidwell joke ...

… and to compound the fact I am an idiot, I’m now replying to myself, which is never a good look …

by LondonNiner on Sep 1, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't Madden

You can’t just force teams to trade their players. Why would either the Eagles or the Pats trade their “franchise” LT’s when they expect to contend this year? They’d sacrifice a year of contention to pick up a first rounder? No, sorry, but trades like this are absolutely out of the question.

I’ve said this before but i don’t think trading for a veteran like the players you mentioned would be the right move even if such trades were possible. The Niners aren’t one player away from contending, there’s no use in trading cheaper, younger, high upside players for older, expensive veterans. It won’t make the difference this year and will hurt the team in future years.

by Brendan Scolari on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Crabtree Saga

Thank God this is coming to an end! Scott McCloughan finally said they’re confident in signing him. We’ve had our ups and downs, but I think Singletary benches him up until the 10th week or so. The guy doesn’t even know one play in the playbook (not that Nate Davis does) and should atleast be punished for being an ass.

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 1, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions  

McCloughan's...

… always been confident Crabtree will sign. The 49ers don’t lose as much as Crabtree does in the whole mess. The most they lose is one productive year of Crabtree or a draft pick. Crabtree could basically lose his livelihood.

by sfgfan on Sep 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love how McCloughan is handeling this

Here are the offers:
Offer 1:what a 10th overall pick deserves
Offer 2:what a 5th overall pick deserves
Offer 3:go to hell

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 1, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they offered

anything close to what the 5th pick got

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Sep 1, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah they did

and they’re negotiating now, but not getting anywhere.

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh.

All reports (and there has been NOTHING definite) are saying the 49ers have offered him money that is around what a 10th pick should expect to receive. There is no negotiating going on because the 49ers are basically saying that’s the only offer you’re getting, so you sign as a #10 pick, or you don’t.

If the 49ers offered him #5 money, he would have taken it in a heartbeat, as that would have been a serious win for him. It would have been an even bigger fail for the 49ers.

by sfgfan on Sep 1, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I can say with certainty that they have not offered Crabtree #5 money. Crabs would be in camp right now if he were offered that kind of change out of the #10 slot, but the 49ers are sticking to their guns in holding firm to their offer.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 1, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard a report....

saying that Grabtree was offered guaranteed money equal to what Raji got at 9, with incentives too. Yet, Grabtree continues to be an idiot.

With possibly/likely changes in the CBA next year, this is about the stupidest thing he could be doing.

With each passing day, I’m more sure that there is a reason 9 other teams passed on him.

by remembertheCATCH on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still have until...

September. If crabappletree wants to sign, it will be around then.

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 1, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's already september

The season kicks off in about two weeks

FOOL

by SportsChicken on Sep 1, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can wait

through the start

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 2, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Crabtree will get extremely low playing time this season because of this extended holdout?

No training camp practices, no preseason appearances, adjusting from a spread offense, etc…

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 2, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still expecting him to sit out the entire season

I’m planning for the worst.
I’ve already come to terms with him never playing for the 49ers.

FOOL

by SportsChicken on Sep 2, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playing time

His playing time will be limited to about a fourth of the season because he doesn’t even know what West Coast Offense is!

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 3, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

His playing time will be limited to about a fourth of the season because he doesn’t even know what West Coast Offense is!

And he needs to know this, because?

by sfgfan on Sep 3, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has no freaking clue of the offense

Too spell it out, HE DOESN’T KNOW ANY PLAYS!

Didn't come up here to read. Came up here to hit.
-Hank Aaron

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Sep 3, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again.

And he needs to understand the west coast offense, because?

by sfgfan on Sep 3, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on!

He obviously doesn’t know what kind of offense the 49ers are running, don’t toy with him.

FOOL

by SportsChicken on Sep 3, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

His playing time will be limited to about a fourth of the season

Nah, more like he won’t play at all.
He’ll re-enter the draft and play for the Raiders

FOOL

by SportsChicken on Sep 3, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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