Brandon Jones out eight weeks with fracture in right shoulder
by David Fucillo on Aug 7, 2009 11:40 AM PDT
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PrintFOOCH'S UPDATE 11:40am: Well, bad news got worse (thanks to PHUT for pointing this out). Singletary is saying it's a fracture in the right shoulder and Jones is now out for 8 weeks. That basically means he could be back the first or second week of October. With Bruce and Morgan starting, Hill as the #3, and Crabtree holding out, Dominique Zeigler and Arnaz Battle are both looking like good bets to make the roster. Heck, even Micheal Spurlock has seen his chances shoot up.
Thanks to Maiocco and Barrows for Twitter updates on this. I'm guessing they heard this from the 49ers PR folks. According to both Brandon Jones' shoulder injury from yesterday will keep him out two weeks. Maiocco referred to it as a shoulder sprain, Barrows referred to it as an AC sprain. Based on the schedule, he could possibly get back for the Raiders game two weeks from tomorrow.
Maiocco mentioned that "Arnaz Battle has a chance to step up and earn a 49ers roster spot." I tweeted a reply to Matt asking if it would actually be a battle between Dominique Zeigler and Battle, or if Zeigler was destined for the practice squad. If/when he replies I'll update this post.
This is definitely bad timing for Jones' injury (not that there's such thing as a "good time" for an injury). It sounded like he was playing really well and showing solid chemistry with the QBs. I recall Bryant Johnson going down last preseason with a hamstring injury that lingered into late August. Once he got back, it took him a while to get back in sync with his QB. Of course he also had other lingering injuries, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. If Jones can get back for the Raiders game, he should have plenty of time to get it in gear. At this point I'd assume Isaac Bruce and Josh Morgan will be the starting wide receivers. Not a big leap, but still worth noting.
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sucks to hear...
this is Battle’s/ Ziegler’s spot to lose for right now, unless Crabtree conveniently signs and jumps into the loop… hahhahaaha…. uh that was a good chuckle
NINERS 4 LIFE
i chuckled a little
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
I don't want to play Debbie
but Jones has only played in 16 games twice in his 4-year career. Why does that concern me?
I hope we aren’t dealing with another Bryant Johnson either.
Oh well, Jones has to work out better than the Darrell Jackson expirement, right? right?
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
not off to a good start I'll tell you that much
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
Now out for 8 Weeks
according to the 49ers Twitter http://twitter.com/SF_49ers
Check my 49ers blogs at Mining the Gold Rush and San Francisco 49ers Examiner
Why should Jones be ahead of Hill on the depth chart anyway?
This is how I would rank our WRs in terms of total skills (catching/blocking/breaking tackles/jumping ability/veteran knowledge of the game/etc.): Josh Morgan, Isaac Bruce, Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler, Michael Spurlock. I’ll have to see where to put in the guy with the crabby attitude if/when he signs and actually gets on the field.
Natural hater of all NY, Pittsburgh, Oakland, LA, and Dallas teams
Josh Morgan = Isaac Bruce > Jason Hill > Brandon Jones = Dominique Zeigler = Arnaz Battle > Michael Spurlock
Zeigler needs a spot just for the big catches.
Reye=Raye...tee hee
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
in 81 people nick named Ronnie as "...Lotta money..."
and that is no joke… the good news is that he was worth every dime the Niners spent on him and then some. .
So it is a gamble any way you look at it.:
From Team Management’s (aka the ORGANIZATION) point of view: A player can pan out to be " ALL THAT" or simply a bust..
Or if you look at how Smith has turned out ( so far) and not saying he wont make it. The player can be a total wash out and not worth a plug nickel.
So only history will tell: And as they used to say…“…..STAYYY TUNED…” and we will all find out and have our ‘’…I TOLD YOU SO..."
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 7, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Lott vs. Crabtree
Okay, but how is Crabtree gonna catches passes with an amuptated finger…come on man, think for once…
Ronnie Lott played before the salary cap.
you cant just go and throw money at guys anymore because then you cant afford a supporting cast for them.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
My point is not about who is better or how much $ they got or what positon they played.
I was just trying to make the point there is a risk for any NFL team in signing big money rookies ( of any era) Sometimes you get your moneys worth and sometimes you don’t and really the only true measure of who got the best part of the deal is time on the field and performance. Outside of that all else is just speculation
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 8, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
good thing we still got Crabtree
……oh wait
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Speaking of Crabtree...
Does he know have more leverage against the team for turning him into Moneytree?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Eugene Parker
must have just wet himself in glee. Of course he wouldn’t use this as leverage in negotiations, sarcasm intended.
I don't think Brandon Jones
Has any effect on the negotiations.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 7, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh. I'd have to disagree.
The big reason that the 49ers weren’t really worried about Crabtree was that they had plenty of starter-worthy depth at the position. With Jones (who was supposed to be our home run threat) out, that just leaves Morgan and Bruce…both of whom have big question marks looming over their heads.
It’s not a HUGE issue – and certainly not going to be a dealbreaking development – but it is something that plays in Crabs’ favor.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Let's get one thing straight
Not signing a first round pick would be a HUGE loss, whether it’s at a position of depth or not. They aren’t going to just let Crabtree walk, they’re going to sign him regardless of what happens with the other WR’s.
And Brandon Jones is a decent 3rd WR. It’d be different maybe if we lost a guy like Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson, but some random dude like Brandon Jones has nothing at all to do with Crabtree’s negotations, at least that’s what I think.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 7, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
If Jones were slated to be a starter, things might be different. But as of now, he’s a guy who hasn’t taken a professional snap for the 49ers so they have no grasp on what he is, so his loss theoretically isn’t going to swing negotiations one way or another. Now, if something happens to Bruce or Morgan, then things get interesting.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No, simply because he'll lose money if he sits out
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
That's just great.
8 weeks he is out. Hopefully our other receivers will step up and a certain other one will report to camp.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
who hasn't shown up to camp yet?
…surely not michael crabtree?
Chuck Norris has only lost in one thing. 1 on 1 with Monta.
I'll tell you where he is, he's consulting with is new advisor...
His imaginary friend Oscar.
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
Maui Waui!
Thanks Brandon jones for looking good in practice. At least you showed up and competed with your other WR’s/ entire team.
NINERS 4 LIFE
that's the spirit
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
Time for Jason Hill to step up and take the #3 spot.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
What a bummer
He was meant to have been looking so good in practice. You take Crabtree and Jones out and all of a sudden the deepest WR corps in years looks a lot thinner. Go Josh.
Matt Jones
is still looking for work right? Bring him for some drills, might make Crabtree re-evaluate his advisor’s claim
Does anyone else think that Singletary is working his guys too hard? Didn’t they start contact drills from the beginning of camp? I’m seeing a lot of guys getting banged up and missing practice time already.
I’m interested to see who’s team responds better. The 49ers and their committment to killing yourself on the practice field… OR, the opposite approach the Raiders are taking by using the first few days to almost relax and ease back into practice like baby’s, going over instructional drills like teams use in college.
Oh, and can we trade the rights to Crabtree? If a team had any interest in paying what he “thought” he was worth, I’d be happy with a future #1 or high #2 pick.
I agree
aBulldog, I just posted a question to Maiocco on this very issue. We have lost two players to serious long-term injuries (Harris and Jones) and quite a few to more minor knocks (Willis and others). There were fears that Singletary was working them too hard even before Jones got hurt, and even though I know this didn’t happen in the Nutcracker or anything like that, and every team in the NFL will have WR’s diving to catch passes and so therefore could happen to any team, but equally it does feel like they’re going down regularly with injuries on the 49ers team, and you do wonder whether that’s Sing’s regime.
Working the guys to hard?
A valid question but I would point out that they have to strap on the pads at some point and start hitting. All teams in the NFL are going through it. I would suggest that it may be better to get some of the sprains, muscle pulls, and such out of the way now so that there is time to react to it instead of going easy the first part of camp rather later when you are set on starters.. Just a thought…
True.
I was trying to disagree with Singletary’s philosophy or anything, I was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on the subject.
In fact, I honestly think the players needed to get there butts kicked for once. I always thought Coach Nolan was a little soft on the players, or maybe “soft” isn’t the right word to use, but maybe too generic and basic in his approach to training camp… I mean, if your team wasn’t any good the previous season, it stands to say that the players have to get better… and the only way to get better than your opponent is to out work them in an attempt to get ahead of the game… or at least on the same playing field.
Maybe Crabtree is just scared of putting in the hard work necessary under Singletary… hahaha… or that they’ll make him go over the middle and he’ll get popped by Willis.
typo
oops, I meant, I “wasn’t” trying to disagree.
I gotcha abulldog..
And I also think Nolan was too soft.. When reading and hearing the players on how they are feeling at this point seems unanimous they feel better about the team at this point compared to years past.
Well, what else are they going to say?
“How do you feel about the intense physical workouts?”
“They suck.”
No, they’ll find something positive in them. They’ll find some reason that this helps the team.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I don't really think it's a product of Sing working them too hard
most of the injuries have been minor nicks and strains and the like, stuff like that should be expected in training camp. These guys are getting back into the routine of hitting and making contact after being away from it for an extended period of time, so i’m not surprised to see guys missing time for sore parts and such. I think it’s a little too early to start blaming a few nicked up guys on Singletary working them too hard.
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Completely agree
a lot of the “injuries” are minor nicks and bruises that happen in football. I think part of the reason why it’s such big news is that in TC, when someone gets banged up, you sit them out and let them heal up. During the season, most of these “injuries” would be played through without much thought. Guys might take it easy in practice, but on Sundays (… or Mondays, or Thursdays, or occasionally Saturdays), they would tape up, wrap up, and go out and play.
The only two serious injuries I can think of, like LondonNiner mentioned, are the Harris and now the Jones injuries. One was a collision between a WR and DB on a play pass, while the other was a WR laying out for a pass. Both those are as freak accidents as Manny’s ACL tear a couple of years back. There’s nothing you can do about those.
But I think the team will be better off for it. Get in football shape now, not in week 1, and that includes getting used to contact and taking a beating.
You're probably right ...
… it’s just a concern really. Two long-term injuries which knock out a player’s season (Harris) or half a season (Jones) could be a co-incidence. Three would start to look like a pattern. Like I said, I know these injuries didn’t happen in a Singletary Special, like the Nutcracker, but equally if he’s working their bodies too hard, too soon, then they will be more susceptible to injuries. Would Harris have survived that collision with only minor damage if his body hadn’t been pushed to the limit already? Maybe. Probably not though. I do hope I’m wrong to worry.
mike
crabtree must have had a huge smile on his face as he read this news…
Chuck Norris has only lost in one thing. 1 on 1 with Monta.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Working them too hard what now?
Am I hearing cheers for wussification?
They get paid at minimum hundreds of thousand of dollars up to millions of dollars a year… I would put my body through the same abuse they are being asked to do if I was paid as such.
Physical with an F!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Fhysicalation
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
Explosive.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Branch is an established beast.
But terribly fragile.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
beast?
He’s certainly a solid receiver when healthy, but I wouldn’t exactly call him a “beast.”
by David Fucillo on Aug 7, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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+1 fooch lmao… branch is a bummmmmmmm…he always hurt too
by forty9ers3298 on Aug 7, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Fantastic route-runner, exceptionally good hands, freakish agility and speed.
Was productive despite just coming off ACL injury and Seneca Wallace throwing to him. He’s a top tier #2 receiver, but like I said, he has obviously well-known health issues.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I would imagine being a Seahawks fan has alot to do with that riiculous optimism
Beast my (site decorum)
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
come on rlott42
we all know only 49ers fans are homers
and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42
I don't get it.
Are you trying to argue that a healthy Deion Branch is not a great WR?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Great?
No way. Even if he’s a “top-tier two” when healthy, that doesn’t make him great. Randy Moss is great. Larry Fitzgerald is great. Deion Branch is a nice WR with injury problems.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 8, 2009 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions
i think he was great with the pats because there was this one quarterback throwing to him, some one who won 2 superbowls with him
Starts with a B
The name is slipping my mind too though… ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I consider Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald to be 'elite'
And they could both possibly go down as the two greatest WRs of the modern era, and perhaps likely Hall of Famers. Many teams could do worse than have Deion Branch as a starting receiver. The only team he wouldn’t start on in the division is the Cardinals.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 8, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
...What ridiculous optimism?
I’m not banking on Branch to suddenly become a great receiver. Injuries are his main, if only, problem.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
Branch is on my fantasy team, I hope he does great this year. I just don’t see it happening (not that you said it would).
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 8, 2009 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions
What kind of league has their fantasy draft that early? O-o
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
A keeper league with a slow draft that takes several weeks
We’re actually in the middle of the draft right now though. Right near the end of the 4th round.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 8, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Ridiculous analysis then??
Whichever fits the bill. His best season was 78 catches for 900 yds, the term “beast” doesn’t apply to Deion Branch. He had a great Superbowl game with no td’s. His hype and his value after 05 was based on one game I doubt he’d start in SF, sure the Rams and Seahawks would start him.
aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)
He'd easily start on the 49ers,
and you’re foolish to believe otherwise.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 9, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think so
At least not this year
Optimist Prime, and your favorite adjitator
Is this what it's all about Manny?
This isn’t an injury you can blame on the physical camp. The guy fell on his shoulder during a pass attempt. Having no wear on your body won’t prevent that injury.
The good news is it’s just a shoulder injury. He can move around and stay in shape with that injury and shouldn’t effect his explosiveness when he comes back. I think Brandon Jones is an important element. He is an explosive threat that defense would seriously have account for in a three receiver set. Morgan can sorta fill that role but I was looking forward to the 49ers lining up two deep threats with either Crabtree or Bruce working the underneath. The good news is he should be back after the bye week.
I'll tell you what happened...
Shaun Hill was firing all those bullet passes into his shoulder without cause, that’s what jacked him up. If I were Brandon, I would sue for gross negligence.
Seriously though, I’m beginning to think that Crabtree is holding out simply because he doesn’t want to face a certain someone on a certain defense that wears a certain number 52. Yeah.
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
That must be it.
Case closed, Sherlock!
I kid. I support the franchise in this case.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's amusingly ridiculous
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
touche!!!!
Is that french for touch me????
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 7, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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