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Official NN Michael Crabtree Holdout FanPost

Fooch's Update 8/31: Some folks think Crabtree will sign by shortly before the beginning of the season, so I thought I'd update the time stamp on this to get it back up to the top.  Could folks rec this who haven't done so.  I actually want to see if it'll bump it back into the Rec'd section at the top.
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Given the flood of Michael Crabtree FanPosts that is slowly developing, I agree with howtheyscored in one of the many FanPosts: It's time for an official Crabtree FanPost.  We've done this for a collection of site graphics (I re-opened the comments on that)the offensive coordinator search earlier this year, the draft, user mock drafts, and even a Jay Cutler trade block thread.

Given how prominent the topic is (and will remain), the easiest option is to consolidate everything here.  I'll leave the other FanPosts open for now, but let's try and focus the conversation in here.  If it gets up to 500 or so comments I'll create a second one.  I'd imagine if this drags into the season this FanPost will definitely fill up.  In the meantime, feel free to defend Crabtree, criticize Crabtree, wax poetically about the whole situation, really whatever you want out of this.  I'll mix in links here when I get time.

Also, feel free to Rec this so it stays up top.  If not I'll just update the time to keep it near the top.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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As a Seahawks fan, I'm glad to see Curry came to terms with a deal (I even saw him take the field in the middle of practice today!)

However, I absolutely despise the fact that he received the largest contract ever to a non-QB rookie (basically, he’s the most expensive rookie ever behind Matt Stafford). Curry may become a beast in due time, but I still don’t think he’ll ever become as good as, say, Julian Peterson. And yet, Julian Peterson isn’t getting paid anywhere near as much as Curry.

These rookie contracts are absolutely ridiculous, to say the least.

However, Crabtree is going down a dangerous road. This crap about him wanting to be paid not only like the highest WR drafted, but a top 5 pick in general. He’s only hurting himself with this continued holdout, but if the 49ers cave, they are responsible for making the system go KABOOM as all hell breaks loose with just about every rookie demanding to be paid far higher than their draft slot would suggest.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

system

One tough issue with all this is that the system is already going to be changed in the next CBA. Obviously not an excuse to blow up the system, but certainly makes things a little more intriguing.

by Fooch on Aug 8, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry's signing is not gonna help either.

It has been ridiculous for long enough, the contracts these rookies get. These contracts create holdouts and rightfully so. If I’m Tom Brady and I see Matt Ryan getting a better deal then me, I’m thinking holdp (site decorum)‘s I’m T Brady and I got Rings, bring me my chips with dip!!

aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)

by rlott#42 on Aug 8, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry’s signing might help create a rookie cap. Which would be good. I’ll believe it when I see it, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 9, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will hate Michael Crabtree

until he signs. When he signs I hope Isaac Bruce can teach him a thing or two.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 8, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope vernon davis can teach him a thing or Two!!

I wouldn’t mind a little vernon davis m. crabtree scuffle at this point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1jAkPw2iyc go ahead and sign and get whats coming to you. “It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot coach with them. Can’t do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win and not just the money.” mike singletary said that lol

by RBoogy29 on Aug 9, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind a little vernon davis m. crabtree scuffle at this point

I like that..I dont’ think anyone would mind running a few reps if 85 taught 15 a lesson or two about teamwork.

49er Faithful in Delaware

by Delaware9'erFan on Aug 9, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm crazy

But what can Vernon Davis teach anyone about teamwork?

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Aug 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

that wasnt tha point

watch the video thats what he will teach

by RBoogy29 on Aug 10, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I didn’t see much educating going on in that video.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Aug 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Davis is not a team guy . . .

but after watching the video, Davis is not the guy throwing the first punch either. Who knows what either of them said, but the other guy is defintely the instigator of the fight after the blocking contact has been broken. Classic example of the “bad boy” always getting blamed.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 11, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did someone just drop 85 as a mentor for teamwork? is this the same guy who just said he made the team better by making the whole team have to run gassers?

by mercutioh on Aug 11, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa whoa whoaaa...

you all are getting the wrong idea. it was a joke, just a joke I wasn’t saying davis was a guy to look up to and he would take crabtree under his wing molding him into this isaac Bruce type personality. I just thought it would be funnyif it was crabtree getting his helmet tossed instead. just out of frustration. If I was a panther fan I would have said steve smith instead. get it?

by RBoogy29 on Aug 11, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

People weren’t replying to you, we understood what you said.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Aug 12, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need to hate him

M-Crab is only doing what all jobseekers do: try for the best job with the highest bucks he can grab. Even so, the consensus is that he will not get top-5 dollars and he’s passing up chances to be a right-now contributor.

Most of us are paid on the basis of what we do, not what we might become. One thing he could become is injured for the season on one play, so he deserves to get some guaranteed money as a kind of insurance. At the same time, why give him all the dough he’s looking for until he’s proven he’s the real NFL deal. So: give him a good signing bonus, some guaranteed money, load his contract with incentives for the first year, and a shorter contract life.

by 99devine on Aug 18, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of the most reasonably comments that I’ve seen throughout this entire process. Thank you.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

RE: So: give him a good signing bonus, some guaranteed money

The Niners are doing that.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Aug 19, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) He was ALWAYS going to ask for more than Heyward Bay, and he should almost definitely get it. So he was never going to sign before Heyward Bay. The 49ers knew this when they drafted him. It came with the package. If they expected to get him for LESS than Heyward Bay, they were being crazy.

2) Since Crabtree is trying to get a contract that isn’t in line with the position he was drafted in, he had to wait to see what value the positions he expected to get drafted in are getting. It was always going to take a long time to get him signed. Now that the rest of the top ten is shaping up, that only helps us!

3) When you draft in the top ten, you always risk a holdout.

Which is all to say that I don’t get what the fuss is about. The stuff with his cousin was ridiculous, but his cousin doesn’t represent him. It was always going to take a long time to sign him. It was always likely to go into a holdout situation. This was the deal when we drafted him. It was the entire trade-off for having him drop to us. And if we’re glad that he dropped to us, we should be okay with waiting to sign him. Let’s please start accepting it.

And this one is new and improved because I said something non-factual the first time(s) I posted it. Apparently, research is only for people who don’t want to sound like idiots.

My point being that I’d be very surprised if this went into the season. If you asked me on draft day if I would be surprised to see him hold out into the exhibition season, I would have said no. Crabtree being an easy sign would have been a pretty incredible thing. There was way too much going on between his predraft hype, the fact that some expected him to be a top three pick, and the problem with him falling well below that payscale in the actual draft for it to be easy.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Get ready to be surprised.....

cause he won’t sign anytime soon.

by Blank x2 on Aug 9, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even then

More time to rest his foot!

I just don’t see what the big deal is. We knew his contract was going to be an issue, and we should have known a holdout was likely.

I still don’t think it’ll go into the season, and if it does it sucks, but without a better rookie contract structure in the NFL, this was always the price of drafting him.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More time to rest his foot!

i have said more than a few times that it might be the reason he is holding out is for all the guaranteed money. he may not be able to play this whole year. if this is so 49ers will be really signing him for next year and need not pay him as much as what else can he do. just leave him hang out there and he has to come in.

by crazyoldman on Aug 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe he turned down 20 plus guaranteed

What a douche bag!!

aka Optimist Prime 09...........9ers (site decorum)

by rlott#42 on Aug 8, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He should have hired an accountant instead of a agent

Money in the Bank !!! It would help MOM and other family members other than his cousin.

by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 9, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I never blame an NFL player for trying to get as much guaranteed money as possible ...

because NFL careers are often nasty, brutish, and short. The teams can waive a player at any time and be off the hook for non-guaranteed salary. Grabbing as much guaranteed cash as possible is the player’s only way to balance that out, particularly with a probable lockout coming in a year or two.

I’d say he has another week or two before his failure to be in camp makes it difficult for him to contribute this season. Brandon Jones’ injury means that Crabtree is missing a huge opportunity – which rookies rarely get – to solidify himself as a key rotation player. If he misses another week or two, it may be hard for him to work himself into the rotation before Jones gets back, in which case he’s behind Jones on the depth chart.

Long holdouts (which this isn’t … yet) end up hurting the player as much as the team – the threat of sitting out a year and re-entering the draft is pretty empty and petulant, because nobody’s draft position goes up when they do that. It would cost him plenty of cash in eventual salary, more cash in this year’s missed wages, and even more in postponing his eventual free agency by another year.

But there’s no reason to freak out about Crabs just yet.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 9, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I’ve got no problem with them making thier money..but in this case, he’ll still make more in guaranteed money in one contract than most of us will make in our lives. Yeah the NFL is tough, you get bumps, bruises, broken bones, cut, resigned, concussions, etc, but guess what, they signed up for that. Please. As a former Army Ranger, I got bumps, bruises, a concussion (from an oh too close hand grenade) and I made a hell of a lot less, oh and I was shot at (missed thankfully) in the process. Those guys (NFL players as well as all NBA, NHL and MLB) make more in a single game than most people make in a year! I have very little sympathy.
Take the millions offered and get on the field. Quit being a whiney crybaby. Be thankfull you have the gifts the Big Man gave you.

49er Faithful in Delaware

by Delaware9'erFan on Aug 9, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

more in a game than most people make in a year ...

But of course, by that logic, most players should be happy to sign for a million a year, to never holdout because even lowball NFL offers are more than most people make in decades of work.

In any event, don’t make the mistake of thinking this is between Crabtree and the fans. If you’re going to accuse Crabtree of being selfish, you also have to accuse York of being selfish. York has orders of magnitude more money than Crabtree does … what’s the big deal for him not to just shell out a few more bucks?

This is a battle between a multi-millionaire and a guy who’s about to become a millionaire. Comparisons to regular working stiffs are really irrelevant.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 9, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Scenes We'd Like To See

“Irrelevant” working stiffs boycott a salary/ticket price relationship spiraling out of control.

Good thing for the Yorks and Crabtrees of the world that we the people cannot muster that type of required perseverence and unity.

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Brandon Jones' injury is a missed opportunity for Crabtree

But doesn’t this put more pressure on the 49ers?

Wouldn’t this give Parker more leverage?

If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin

by albertoleecho on Aug 10, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already tired of his stupidity

Like the rest of Niner Nation, I’m getting tired of reading about MC’s holdout for money. Let him go. He’s already proved that he’s not worthy of Crimson and Gold. He’s an individual who is only out for himself. He will not be worth the headache. Those who have proclaimed “Jerry Rice 2.0” obviously have not watched Jerry. Our beloved #80 was all about the game, not about the money. He personally took pay cuts so that the team would stay under the cap to bring in more quality players. MC would never do that. MC is concerned with the bling of the contract, not the players or fans. I say let him sit out and find another team next year. We have had enough drama in the Bay Area. We’ve got the best looking recieving corps in several years, we’ve got a couple of QB’s who are actually starting to look like legit leaders on the field, we have a new offensive strategy that will allow more players the opportunity to make big plays.

Sooner or later MC will recognize that he is hurting himself, he’ll sign, make millions more than the rest of us, he’ll make a few plays..he’ll continue to show that he is a diva, rub teammates the wrong way and then he’ll complain that he’s not getting the ball enough, talk trash to the QB on the sidelines about not finding him…oh wait, that sounds like another diva we called TO. Remember how that all played out…

49er Faithful in Delaware

by Delaware9'erFan on Aug 9, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"He’s already proved that he’s not worthy of Crimson and Gold."

This was the best part.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 9, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see anything wrong in that..

Makes me wonder how you fared with Raiderfan before realignment.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Aug 11, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts

if this statement hadn’t come out from his “advisor” we’d be in pretty much the same situation as a lot of teams. Many of the first round picks have not signed yet and they are all working on it. He would be an absolute idiot to sit out a year and re-enter the draft. He will sign, and he’ll probably get a little more than his draft slot indicates, but probably not as much as he is asking for. This is the business of the NFL. Hopefully things will change and the rookies will stop getting so much dang money until they prove themselves.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Aug 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sigh.....I thought his jersey would sale like hotcakes

I bet a Michael crabtree “wheres waldo” type book would sale more at this point. Im sure hes hearing everyone I mean everyone saying its a dumb decision. editors,players,columnist,analyst everyone. they have to be close at this point. no ones that stubborn. Maybe hes intimidated on how good josh morgan was getting so he fled. I bet he will have a deal done by tuesday. Wagers? Ha! I wont be updating my madden 10 rosters Im one niner fan whos going to get me some crabtree play time in!!

by RBoogy29 on Aug 9, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

can't wait for madden 10

We actually aren’t that bad in it. I will be playing franchise mode until the preseason game on friday. Crabtree and Morgan all day.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 9, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait neither.

Im so anxious about the 2009 season Ive done my own roster update on madden 09. Bryant johnson became michael crabtree. I traded for reggie nelson cut dashon goldson and edited nelson and made him dashon goldson 2.0. I picked up charlse for the cheifs named him korey sheets. devery henderson became isaac bruce. greg olsen became bear pasco. after like 2 seasons for some reason reggie smith bumped up to 97 in speed, so him and goldson shuts all deep routes down. I have adjustments everywhere lol thats how I invision the 2009 9ers. in madden 10 its goin be more run friendly so Ill open things up with gore and sheets (assuming hes on the game somewhere) then Im light it up over the top with davis

by RBoogy29 on Aug 9, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"greg olsen became bear pasco. "

That certainly is accurate.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 9, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how are you adjusting the player ratings?

If I knew, I would have changed a lot of things.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 9, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont adjust player ratings

Im just taking players and changing their names charlse for the cheifs is like 76 overall but he’s 95 in speed with dreadlocks so I felt like he was a nice korey sheets fit. as far as reggie smith I guess third string corners get faster after the season and he bumped up form 90 to 97 manny lawson went from 90 to 92 delanie walker went from 89 to 84

by RBoogy29 on Aug 10, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade him for a good player and a draft pick.

Vikings, Jets, Tampa, Tennessee, plenty of other teams could be tempted to pay up and take a chance.

Let’s play a little New England style offseason football. . . . if he asks for too much trade him and get better by addition + subtraction.

by Since79 on Aug 10, 2009 6:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the 49ers front office is quite on that level.

I wouldn’t mind trading him though, because right now all signs point to being a major bust for Crabtree

If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin

by albertoleecho on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What signs are those?

We know NOTHING more about him as a player than we did when we drafted him.

Holdouts? As I wrote above, Jerry Rice held out. Holdout does not equal headcase. It does not equal immature.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

All Crabs has proven is that he is exceptionally patient with a douche-tastic agent. That has nothing to do with his performance on the football field.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree does not equal Jerry Rice

Crabtree is just a rookie that hurt his foot. For all we know, he could drop more passes than Darius Heyward Bey (just kidding). But Jerry Rice was an established, Crabtree isn’t. Rookie holdouts are so ridiculous. If he really cared about football he would play for any price

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think anyone is taking it personally?

What we’re saying actually is, nothing personal, but if you don’t want to play for us as a rookie with something like 15-$20M guaranteed, go F*** with someone else. We are going to be tough on the feild AND off the firld. No more idiots pushing us around. We’re going to be a TEAM. And we’re going to treat everyone failrly, which means, NO divas, no one is going to just hand you a job, or top 5 money.

Don’t tell anyone, but you were drafted 10th! By the way, that’s a lot higher than MANY present day pro bowlers. The diff is, they actually EARNED their money by showing the world on the Big Stage that they were the best of the best. You haven’t done that yet, Crabs, and until you do, it’s all BS. Either make due with a paltry $20M guaranteed and cry all the way to the bank — that’s guaranteed whether your foot screws up again or you twist a knee in practice or whatever — or go find another team willing to pay you NOT on performance, but on how good you and your doofus agent THINK you are, without ever participating in even a single NFL practice. Without ever catching a pass from an NFL QB. That’s ridiculous Crabs!

Use your common sense, MC. Get your ego out of the way and be a man about this. Take the measly $15-20M and then prove to the world you’re worth more. It’s the only fair solution.

by Since79 on Aug 10, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eugene Parker, is that you?
I was, essentially, threatening to shut down a multi-million-dollar production over a five-figure check. And I’d do it again.

 
Wow, that is some serious negotiating strategy. Look, Crabtree came into the NFL with serious “Prima Donna” issues. He had a great opportunity to erase all those rumors, and instead he pulls this stupid act. That says enough to me about where his mind is. He should know the team has a first year coach that needs the entire team behind him. Instead its all about Michael Crabtree and how great the Mock Draft said he was. I am over this guy, until he shows up on the field and starts earning whatever paycheck he is given.

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Aug 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

No. And there’s a difference, in that I’d done the most amount of work – for the least amount of pay – of anyone involved in the project. What I was asking for was absolutely fair – heck, I’m still undercompensated – whereas I think Crabtee is asking for too much.

But I understand the principle. If you want to play in a high-stakes game, you have to be able to stick to your guns. If Crabtree really believes he’s worth more than they’re offering, well, he’s got to play this game of chicken.

Although, quite frankly, it seems clear that the team isn’t going to fold. And that’s the flip side: the right thing to do is to fight until you reach the point where you can’t win anything else by fighting. I think Crabtree is at that point (or the Niners are some impressive bluffers). For me to hold out for that extra cash when the project couldn’t afford it would be dumb. I was able to do what I did because I strongly suspected that they COULD afford it.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 15, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think this drama would keep other teams away?

…not to mention the fact that he’ll still be holding out for all that money?

by thebyron on Aug 12, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree

This kid wants another $5-10 mil because he has a bruised ego or ,,, he’ll sit out the season, and he has his cousin tell the world ? Anybody seen this kid run, can he ?
I was really happy when we drafted him, but you know , we have a bunch of talent fighting for a spot on the 9ers rooster ? To me these guys are much more important to us, and while they’re doing the Nutcracker, Laps, 2 a days, what’s this kid doing ?
The kids a prime – madonna, getting bad advice, he should fire his cousin !

by basil9er on Aug 10, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

His cousin doesn’t represent him.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said anything about a bruised ego?

Sounds to me like he wants more guaranteed money because he thinks it’s worth it.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The kids a prime – madonna

— a prime Madonna? Like an ’85 Madonna?

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Aug 15, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a virgin.

Touched by the very first tiiiiime!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like

1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 17, 23, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53… Madonnas.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade him

Get a swtarting pass rusher or safety, and a truly talented guard to replace Bass who will leave soon anyway and isn’t that great, and throw in a stinkin’ 3rd rounder, and I’m there. If Crabs becomes great, good for him. Meanwhile, for the two years we’d have to wait for him to blossom we’d have two solid starters for the same price giving us far more depth, and a shot at a 3rd round steal taking the BPA next year.

by Since79 on Aug 10, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You think we could get a starting pass rusher or safety AND a truly talented guard for Crabtree?

That’s a lot of a stretch.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be more worried about this whole thing...

If Crabtree could rush the passer. Outside of that, he really has no juice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Aug 11, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Do you think another team is willing to go far above slot to appease him? Based on everything that’s been written and said about this, this is not a question of the 49ers not wiling to go up a little bit. It sounds like the 49ers are offering #10 slot money and he wants either #5 slot money, or more than #7 (DHB) slot money. NFL teams may compete individually, but in terms of the financials of the league it’s very much one big team in many regards. I don’t see why another team would be willing to go against what the NFL has set up in terms of trying to slot down the line.

On a side note, the team only has until this weekend to trade him, after which he cannot be traded prior to next year’s draft if he doesn’t sign.

by Fooch on Aug 10, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is also a lot of pressure from the players’ union on players to push salary numbers. It’s a much bigger problem in baseball, where the Union basically runs the league anyway, but it’s important to remember that it’s not just Crabtree who is trying to get more money here. The rest of the players probably do want him to get a more lucrative contract, because anything that inflates one player’s financial value ends up inflating everybody else’s, too.

Do you think Eli Manning is glad that Namandi Asomugha got his contract when he did? I bet he’s Asomugah’s biggest fan right now.

We like to talk about how other players don’t want rookies to get more money because “they haven’t proven themselves like these other players have,” but I really doubt that’s the case. More likely, an established player licks his chops at inflated rookie contracts because when his contract runs out he can look his team straight in the eye and say, “Look, Michael Crabtree got $X million, and I’m way better than that guy.”

Which is all to say that there are a lot of straws in the pot here. It’s not just Crabtree. It’s not even just Crabtree and his agent. It’s not even just Crabtree and his agent his fellow draft picks. It’s institutional.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Veterans getting paid more?

Roddy White got paid last week 50 million over 6 years. while DHB’s rookie contract paid him 54 million, with incentives, over five years. Who is the better player? Who got the better deal? Roddy White couldn’t even top DHB’s contract and he has been a monster the last two seasons. Unproven rookies are taking away some of the money that should be paid to the veterans.

by 49seattle on Aug 11, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don’t believe that any NFL player is actually pissed that their payscales are being inflated by 10 or so of the top rookies.

ItLs not about one person making more money than another based on merit. It’s about EVERYBODY making more money than they would have based on a broken system.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you bringing...

Reason in an emotional “Town Hall” meeting? Do you know that isn’t what the torch bearers want?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Aug 12, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fooch, was not aware of your side note.

This may not be a small factor. If the Niners were considering a trade and contract talks are in a stalemate then deadline is this weekend is certainly a larger factor then the Denver game.
That is, some have said that if the receivers perform well on Friday, which they have a change to do (going against a NEW 3-4 D), then it puts pressure on Crabs because he is not needed as much on this team as much as he might be desired on another. Therefore, if this week goes by without a contract his “value” is what the 49ers say it is, or what he means to them.

by goatfather on Aug 11, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, I’m almost happy he’s holding out. Two weeks ago I was fumed that this guy was being such a selfish prick for not having done anything. All the accolades of college football doesn’t mean shit for the NFL.

But now, especially with the injury to Brandon Jones, we are getting an extended look at Zeigler. Without Jones and Crabtree, our receiving core is comprised of Bruce, Morgan, Battle, Hill, Zeigler. That’s not a bad crew IMO, especially for a team that is going to pound the rock most of the time. Plus our receiving core as it stands today isn’t inflated with ego.

If Crabtree cries in a minicamp because he was excited to play (bullshit), then he’s gonna make it rain when he goes lower than #10 next year and thinks about all the money and time he missed out on.

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Aug 11, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Situation Normal

I agree with you BawLa. The organization was prepared to go into this season with the receivers in camp now (injuries aside). If, indeed, Crabtree could prove as a contributor this season, it would be a great. However, it’s not what the team planned for going into this season. This is evidenced by the camp interviews where the players admit to not missing or even thinking about Crabtree.

If (and this is a big hypothetical because I don’t think anyone believes he’ll actually do it) Crab does hold out for all of 2009, what the Niners are really missing is the tackle or defensive end the team would have drafted and started instead. What Crab would miss is top 10 money: There is no way, after sitting out an entire year of football, that he’d be a first rounder in 2010. Not while 2009 NCAA highlights are running for a year on ESPN and scouts are looking for the next new thing. The market would view Crabtree as a “potential steal” in the rookie draft, but nowhere in the top 10.

by Edluva on Aug 12, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signing Status of the 2009 First Round Picks

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810d9ec2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

1. Matthew Stafford, 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)
2. Jason Smith, 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed)
3. Tyson Jackson, 5 years, $57 million ($31M guaranteed)
4. Aaron Curry, 6 years, $60 million ($34M guaranteed)
5. Mark Sanchez, 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)
6. Andre Smith – Unsigned
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey, 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed)
8. Eugene Monroe – Unsigned
9. B.J. Raji – Unsigned
10. Michael Crabtree – Unsigned
11. Aaron Maybin – Unsigned
12. Knowshon Moreno, 5 years, $23 million ($13M guaranteed)
13. Brian Orakpo, 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed)
14. Malcolm Jenkins, 5 years, up to $19 million ($11M guaranteed)
15. Brian Cushing, 5 years, $18 million ($10.435M guaranteed)
16. Larry English, 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed)
17. Josh Freeman, 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed)
18. Robert Ayers, Signed 5 years, ???
19. Jeremy Maclin, 5 years, $15.5 million ($9.5M guaranteed)
20. Brandon Pettigrew, 5 years, $14.6 million ($9.4M guaranteed)
21. Alex Mack, 5 years, $15 million ($8.3M guaranteed)
22. Percy Harvin, 5 years, $14.25 million ($8.4M guaranteed)
23. Michael Oher, 5 years, $13 million ($7.82M guaranteed)
24. Peria Jerry, 5 years, $13.25 million ($7.55M guaranteed)
25. Vontae Davis, 5 years, $13.3 million ($7.35M guaranteed)
26. Clay Matthews, 5 years, $13.2 million ($7.1M guaranteed)
27. Donald Brown, 5 years, $12.835 million ($6.845M guaranteed)
28. Eric Wood, 5 years, $13 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
29. Hakeem Nicks, 5 years, $12.54 million ($6M guaranteed)
30. Kenny Britt, 5 years, $12.25 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
31. Chris “Beanie” Wells, 5 years, $11.8 million ($6.345M guaranteed)
32. Evander “Ziggy” Hood, 5 years, $11.3 million ($6.1M guaranteed)

My observations:
- Its crazy that the #1 pick is making 7 times more than the #32 pick.
- Funny (but predictable) that Andre Smith still isn’t signed. Poor off the field decisions before the combine, poor off the field decisions at the combine, not on the field at training camp. Any guesses about what he’s going to do next to iritate management and fans?
- Most of the remaining holdouts were picked right around Crabtree. That tells me that his current holdout is not unusual. It may even be systemic. I wonder if picks in the #10 range historically hold out more than other picks.
- Based on slotting, Crabtree should make somewhere between Heward-Bey money and Moreno money – i.e. somewhere between 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed) and 5 years, $23 million ($13M guaranteed). That’s a 2x gap. Splitting the difference would be 5 years, $30M ($18M guaranteed).
- If Crabtree does want #5 money, that another huge delta. The difference between Heward-Bey at #7 and Curry at #4 (only 3 picks!) is over $10M in gauranteed money.
- Bottom line, based on the above, its very likely that, as has been repeatedly reported, Crabtree and the Niners are very, very far apart.

by kiyoshi on Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This is why drafting in the top 10 is much more of a curse than a blessing.

I’d have been content to take Maclin at 19 or Nicks at 29…and absolutely thrilled to pay them less than half of what Crabs wants.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My observations regarding your observations
Most of the remaining holdouts were picked right around Crabtree. That tells me that his current holdout is not unusual. It may even be systemic. I wonder if picks in the #10 range historically hold out more than other picks.

Those picks around Crabtree remain unsigned due to Crabtree holding out. He’s really messing the whole system up for everybody. LaVar Arrington, who’s Aaron Maybin’s publicist has publicly blamed Maybin’s lack of contract on Crabtree.

If Crabtree does want #5 money, that another huge delta. The difference between Heward-Bey at #7 and Curry at #4 (only 3 picks!) is over $10M in gauranteed money.

There is a $10M difference in guaranteed money but there’s also a years difference in length. I also think LB are safer bets so it’s less of an issue to give them more guaranteed money than a QB or WR.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Aug 12, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exponential trendline for the 2009 1st round draft picks

Using the information provided above, Crabtree should sign for no less than 31.5 million.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing that is Josh Freeman’s contract amount at x -coordinate 17. He is such an outlier that he significantly flattening out the curve. Every other point between 10-20 is below the curvature.

by bignerd on Aug 13, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, you could also remove the ‘outlier’ at #1 also – since there is a premium paid for the #1 overall even if his value is not deemed to be higher than #2. The regression line should be steeper thus pointing to Crabtree getting even less $

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by Humboldt2Torreon on Aug 14, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea!

Let’s remove all the outlier above and below the curve, thus making Crabtree’s contract equal $0.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 14, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exponential trendline with 1st and 17th outlier removed

How about that? Crabtree should sign for no less than 30.5 million.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 14, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is better

But you have to convince NFL GMs and not us.

I still wonder why the curve is above the points between 10-20? Could be right . . . but doesn’t seem right.

by bignerd on Aug 14, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did it with Microsoft Excel 2007

Simple enough, really. Enter the numbers down the 1st column, highlight the column, open the ‘Insert’ tab and choose ‘Charts’ (I chose the scatter chart, but you can choose whatever you want). Then open the ‘Layout’ tab and choose ‘Trendline’. Under Trendline choose ‘Exponential Trendline". Add a few gridlines and you’re done.

Do it yourself if you don’t trust me.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 15, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I trust you

I spent 8 years between HS and college drafting up charts like that. I only brought it up because I a few teachers I had would have spent the entire class pondering that graph. It’s exponential, but the points on the graph draw an exponential curve, so it curious to way the graphing software didn’t just follow the points.

by bignerd on Aug 15, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry English needs to fire his agent...

The guy drafted AFTER him is making nearly twice what he is.

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Aug 15, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't use this graph to say how much money Crabtree should get

Because that’s not how the system works….All the players (except QBs) get paid around 16-18% more than last year’s players.

I hear Crabtree was offered 20% more than Mayo was last year….that’s more than fair.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 15, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

- Most of the remaining holdouts were picked right around Crabtree. That tells me that his current holdout is not unusual. It may even be systemic.

Not necessarily. I’m of the belief that the other picks are holding out to see if Crabtree can break the unofficial slotted pay system. The more money he pulls in, the more money the people around him (or in this case, mostly ahead of him) get to pull in more money.

by sfgfan on Aug 12, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is what I keep hearing

If Crabtree is intent on spearheading this attempt to break the slotting system these other guys are going to sit out to see if they can cash in on the results.

by bignerd on Aug 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to ProFootballTalk...

The Crabtree holdout will likely continue into September. Your guys’ thoughts?

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

not exactly surprised

I’ve said from the beginning that if this was a philosophical difference, I see no reason for it to end anytime soon. If they come to a deal somebody will have lost face and if it’s Parker, it’s way too early for him to give in.

by Fooch on Aug 12, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Him not contributing much his rookie year was one reason I didn’t want to draft him. I thought he’d struggle to learn an NFL system. Missing camp almost ensures that problem now.

by bignerd on Aug 12, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I think Crabtree’s injury and system concerns were overblown and would be fine if he attended training camp.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 12, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Contribution
Him not contributing much his rookie year was one reason I didn’t want to draft him.

You’d rarely draft anyone.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Aug 12, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the odds of him contributing anything as a rookie are going down ...

… but that’s not a big deal.

Despite the fact that I’m sure we’ll have plenty of people on this board calling him a bust at the end of the season, you simply don’t evaluate a draft pick after his rookie year – even if he did attend the entire training camp.

Immediate-impact draft picks are nice, but they’re rare.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 12, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is sorta a big deal

You’d like the guy to at least learn the system his first year and get his feet wet so he’s ready to make the jump his sophomore campaign. You don’t want the Jamarcus Russell situation where he missed the entire camp, couldn’t get caught up to speed once games started and was a pseudo rookie starting his second year.

by bignerd on Aug 12, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

The 49ers are basically going to be paying him a pretty shiny penny to do, during the season, what he should have been able to do BEFORE the season.

I know it’d just add a new complicated layer to matters, but the 49ers should argue that his contract be smaller if he signs that late.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but he's a WR, not a QB ...

So the missed reps matter less.

Assuming he signs before the regular season starts, one would hope he’d be caught up on the playbook by midseason, and start getting into games then, start getting some of the rookie jitters out of the way, etc.

Would it be better if he was in camp? Of course. But you draft players for the long haul. What matters is how good Crabtree is next season, and the year after that, and the year after that …

by Ronaldinho on Aug 13, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the big four go, the NFL is an impeccably well-managed league, but...

These ballooning rookie contracts are really beginning to worry me. A salary-capped league can’t have runaway contracts, particularly for players who have yet to take a snap in a professional game. As Niners fans, we’ve felt the burden of one of those runaway contracts (not a knock on Alex Smith, just an observation) for roughly half a decade: The system desperately needs to change.

Now, I know there are concerns that owners would simply pocket the money they save on rookie contracts, and not spend it on veterans, but — and someone please correct me if I’m wrong — I think the NFL requires that a minimum amount of a team’s earnings be spent on player salaries.

Finally, onto Michael Crabtree. I believe he will be a Niner. “Signability” has long been an MLB concern, but it isn’t in the NFL — and with good reason. It’s simply too damaging to a young player’s development. I just hope that this particular young player will be motivated to work once he puts on the Red and Gold.

by Wazl on Aug 12, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed ...

He’ll sign before the regular season starts, because that’s when the holdout starts costing him money.

Unfortunately, the biggest negative effect of his holdout will be to reduce his effectiveness in the first half of this season, which is when – thanks to Jones’ injury – we need him the most.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 12, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and someone please correct me if I’m wrong — I think the NFL requires that a minimum amount of a team’s earnings be spent on player salaries.

One explanation for Raiders spending a boat load of money last year on questionable free agents was they were required to spend the cash per the CBA. I’m not sure the clause, nor the exact details but essentially (as it was briefly explained) it prevented teams from being cheap year after year . . . so the Raiders had to spend the money just to catch up their player salary average to CBA minimum.

Never heard it before, but I think Mike Lombardi gave the explanation as a Raider apologist.

by bignerd on Aug 12, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

I read somewhere that it’s 80% or so of the salary cap that has to be spent on players. Don’t have a link or anything, but that’s what’s stuck in the back of my head.

by Sebaz49 on Aug 13, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

… Fooch had a few things about a salary floor written a while back (I want to say around the beginning of the offseason). I’m too lazy to look it up, but I’m pretty sure it’s there.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wants...

… top five money because his idiotic agent convinced him it was possible.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wants top 5 money

Because his Agent promised him that much money during the recruiting process.

If Crabtree doesn’t get top 5 money, Eugene Parker will be fired and his competitors will use the Crabtree situation against him in the future.

This Impasse affects not only Crabtree and the 49ers but Eugene Parker’s career as well.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 15, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

if Josh Freeman, pick #17, said that he also wanted DHB money? That contract stands out pretty good around all the other 5 year less than 36 million contract!

by sundaysfinest on Aug 13, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not up to date on Freeman situation but he is a QB. A trend has been established allowing rookie QB’s to receive more lucrative contracts.

by bignerd on Aug 13, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

QBs are the only position right now where their rookie contracts (base/total figure, not bonuses) tend to be a lot higher than other positions.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Not bad.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 13, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am confused about why he’s talking about training camp while wearing his full Texas Tech gear, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He dreamed it

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 13, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think its funny

that some sf (not all, but some) fans thought Boldin’s contract situation would be a distraction. He’s in camp working away with no problems.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 14, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it was more than just some 49ers' fans that thought that.

And by that, are you insinuating that the Crabtree thing is a distraction? Because besides the MSM, other team’s fans and the random bandwagon Niner fan, no one else really cares. He’ll sign when he signs, he’ll be stuck down on the depth chart for weeks, maybe he’ll start showing up in games by mid season, what ever. The team sure as hell doesn’t seem effected by it.

by Sebaz49 on Aug 14, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It hasn’t been a distraction for 3 years and counting.

by bignerd on Aug 14, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More of a slap against the 49er organization as a whole than Crabtree. I think it bites.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

I loved that clip. It basically summed up all of Drummer’s posts in one tiny sketch.

by bignerd on Aug 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was freakin entertaining

+1000

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by rlott#42 on Aug 19, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O_O

epic.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 21, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raji and Monroe signed, that's gotta help

Right?…Right?

If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin

by albertoleecho on Aug 14, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it should

add pressure to Parker. Especially since Raji was right above Crabtree (draft wise). Our WRs have looked good so far, so if Crabtree wants to prove something he should just sign.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 14, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only one left

in the top10 besides Crabtree is Andre Smith, and besides them the only other left in the 1st round is Maybin…….why do i get the feeling that Crabtree will be the last of the 3?

by sundaysfinest on Aug 14, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

because Crabtree is super cocky

and thinks he is the best thing since sliced bread

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Have you talked to him about it?

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by maveric_87 on Aug 15, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did.

He actually thinks Sliced Bread is WAY over-rated.

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Aug 15, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think...

maybe his foot isn’t as healed as he wants it to be and he is taking this time to get some more rest… i mean why would you claim sept. for a return date. who claims a future date for a end of hold out.

its just a thought it would make sense i don’t think anyone would be happy if he came in to camp and still was hurting…

by whitemike1644 on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting take

Maybe it didn’t heal fast enough? Or maybe he really did sign and this is a just a plan to make defenses think that he isn’t ready. Then week 1 he goes off for 200 yards. Okay, that may seem a little extreme, but it would be funny if it was actually true.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Aug 17, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

He worked out with Alex Smith in July, he was supposedly running routes and catching passes.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 18, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No 'supposedly' about it.
-Q: Is Crabtree physically ready to go as soon as he signs, right into regular work?

-SINGLETARY: Oh yeah. Yeah, he’s ready to go.

 -Q: Given that he missed all the pre-camp work, where does he fit in the pecking order once he signs?

-SINGELTARY: He’s a football player. When he gets here… he’s been working his tail off after the OTAs. He’s been out here. He’s been catching passes from Alex Smith. They’ve been working together, they’ve been studying, they’ve been watching film, been running routes. He’s doing all the things he has to do.

Link

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 18, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Oher

The reviews from Ravens camp have raved about him. He than went onto dominate in the preseason game against the Redskins. I know people feel warm and fuzzy about Adam Snyder stepping up to fill the role but their is difference between filling the role and dominating the role.

Percy Harvin is also getting rave reviews and probably will be the rookie WR with the most immediate impact.

Anyways while our rookie continues to pout about his draft slot like a diva and his agent continues to try to salvage his own career damaging move I’d like to point out Crabtree’s expectations aren’t to beat out DHB in performance (what a low bar to set to begin with). While he is missing precious time the expectations are only getting greater.

by bignerd on Aug 19, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oher didn't dominate against the Redskins.

I personally witnessed him blow two blocks, one on short yardage.

Although, I’m not disagreeing with your point at all.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess missing two blocks is the worst you can say about him. He stoned walled every pass rush . . . the offense line is suppose to create a pocket but doesn’t happen when he isn’t even getting pushed backward. He did flatten some people in the run game.

Now do I think Oher will ever be perfect? No, I think he’s a guy you going to have live with making a few mistakes each game. However, he is also a guy who is going to deliver a few dominating plays each game. It was one stinking preseason game, but that’s all it took to convince me this guy is going to be a player.

by bignerd on Aug 20, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's how he plays

He dominates players when he’s able to get his hands on them.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 21, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Percy Harvin is also getting rave reviews and probably will be the rookie WR with the most immediate impact.

It’s pretty sad that Crabtree didn’t see that he could have been exactly that if he had showed to camp on time.

by sfgfan on Aug 21, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who Cares

Crabtree was a great pick, but who cares if he signs. Morgan, Spurlock, Bruce, Ziegler and Battle are good enough for now, plus you have the injured Brandon Jones. Whether Crabtree signs or not, we are going to be a better tteam than last year in recieving.

by br0nxb0mbers23 on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, so now Michael Spurlock is suddenly going to get time now?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is . . . not sure if that’s a good thing. Ironically he makes plays with his quick, shifty feet. That’s what Crabtree was drafted to do. For now lets label him Mini-Crabtree, Crabtree-lite or a poor man’s Crabtree until the real guy everyone thinks we drafted shows up.

by bignerd on Aug 20, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he is a great pick, YOU'D WANT HIM SIGNED

Just listen to yourself, better team than last year? (not hard) Morgan, Spurlock, Bruce, Zeigler and Battle are good enough for NOW? You sure? What about week 3 after two of them have hamstring injuries? Not wishing bad on my folk, don’t get me wrong but he was our first round pick and said to be at least our number 3 option, so yeah let’s get him signed

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by rlott#42 on Aug 19, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sucks to say, but I agree with you.

I want him signed already….

Any news on the other two unsigned rookies?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 20, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bengals don’t want to even match the salary of last year’s #6 pick so I understand that hold out. Considering my low opinion of Maybin it probably doesn’t matter that he wants to hold out to see if he cash in on more money. Sorry, I’m just not high on one hit college wonders, especially from Penn State.

I’m not even buying the Crabtree’s apologist logic on this matter. Philosophical differences? Just seeking the best business deal because he could get hurt tomorrow? The 49ers are reportedly offering a 16% raise off the $18.9 million Jerod Mayo received last year for being the #10 pick. Crabtree is asking for $38.2 million . . . that’s 100% {expletive} raise, not philosophical difference.

by bignerd on Aug 20, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!
The 49ers are reportedly offering a 16% raise off the $18.9 million Jerod Mayo received last year for being the #10 pick. Crabtree is asking for $38.2 million . . . that’s 100% {expletive} raise, not philosophical difference.

Where’s the link?

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 21, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty much all over the place.

Every article on MC’s stalemate says that he wants a better contract than DHB.

And by the way, I heard they offered him 20% more than last year’s No. 10

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 21, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

y's that suck

Optimist Prime, and your favorite adjitator
Is this what it's all about Manny?

by rlott#42 on Aug 20, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any new info?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya

We can’t trade his rights anymore.

by bignerd on Aug 20, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only 2 left...

According to ESPN, Aaron Maybin has signed…. since he was picked at #11 we can now see how much Crabtree SHOULD receive… the only other pick left is Andre Smith at #6. The funny part is that people (I know I did) were hoping to draft Smith if he was there at #10… Which brings me to my next question, which pick would you rather have hold out longer Andre Smith or Crabtree?

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Aug 21, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather have Smith be the longer holdout because it means Crabtree is in camp sooner. There is a huge difference between the two. The Bengals are asking Andre Smith to accept less money than last years #6 pick (BTW, #6 last year was LB and are less valuable than LT). Crabtree is asking for double the amount of the last year’s #10 pick. Maybe Crabtree has a good reason. Maybe he saw the real estate prices in the Bay Area.

by bignerd on Aug 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know the Bengals were trying to hustle Smith like that...

in any case I understand Smith’s reasoning for holding out… So if the niners’ would have selected Smith at 10 do you think Smith would have held out at all? I’d really want to know what Crabtree’s reasoning really are. He really needs to think about his career and stop listening to those jerks around him.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Aug 21, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith

If the 49ers had taken Smith, he’d probably be signed and playing playing RT.

Crabtree’s reasoning is simple: outside of (MAYBE) Curry, there was the thought the he may have been the best player in the draft. Not that it should matter, but that’s his reasoning.

by sfgfan on Aug 21, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truthfully

I don’t expect any news of a Crabtree signing until the week before the Cards’ game. He will sign because he will lose too much if he doesn’t since he can’t go back to TT, Mike Williams’ story is still fresh on all GM’s minds, might at best be a late 1st round pick in 2010 and will cost himself one year’s salary while delaying his own free agency.

Before then, let me just watch some of his Tech highlights on Youtube and dream a good dream.

Win the inning.

by Scooter Ellis on Aug 21, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin signed?

That’s good.

How much did he get?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 21, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin

5 years, 15M guaranteed. Don’t know the rest of the deal.

by Since79 on Aug 21, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget about crabtree...

If he doesn’t understand economics then that’s not the 49ers fault. He’s a great player, obviously! But if he can’t understand that, just like in the real world, projections don’t always pan out then tough luck. And good luck making up the guaranteed money from this year in your football career. No matter what If he walks away from this season that’s a sunk cost of a lot of millions of dollars. And if he were to be dumb enough to sit out an entire season he would not only lose that, but there is no way in heck he is going to get paid more next year after sitting out this year. You can’t sit out a season and expect you’re going to move up in the draft. I hope he sits out this season and then the NFL passes the rookie payscale after this year and he can’t even possibly dream of the money would have got this year for taking a little less then Darius Hayward-Bey. The fact of the matter is crabtree was NOT the top receiver in the draft. Regardless of what Mel Kiper Jr. thinks, he was considered the 2nd best receiver and obviously 9 other teams didn’t think he was the best player in the draft because otherwise he would have been drafted. Crabtree can’t bank on his pre-draft projections, because it is just that….a projection. It isn’t reality. It isn’t the event that actually occurred. Projections are fake! He needs to take the money, and be the great player that he will become. But understand the market!

by ntfarell on Aug 21, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s not going to sit out the year. He’ll probably be too scared to even sit out the first real game. Just be patient.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Aug 21, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully I don't sound like an @ss
If he doesn’t understand economics

It’s not economics, economics pretty much studies scarcity, not money.

Crabtree just doesn’t understand simple multiplication ( A x 1.16 = what you get)

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 21, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he sits out this season and then the NFL passes the rookie payscale after this year and he can’t even possibly dream of the money would have got this year for taking a little less then Darius Hayward-Bey.

yeah, let’s not get mad at him for sitting out the whole season yet

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Aug 24, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

starting to get tired

of all this talk about crabtree not signing yet, SIGN THE CONTRACT! if u miss one week of the regular season i will burn your jersey you greedy bastard. I was so estatic when we drafted you. Now stop being a diva, sign the contract, and start making plays like we all know u can.

by 49ersAllTheWay on Aug 21, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well burning is out of the question

but only because i would never burn a niners jersey, but i would sell your jersey if ur not in uniform by the cardinals game on september 13 at 1:15 pacific time. ;) go NINERS! anyways i would sell it to somebody who loves divas that want so much money without even proving themselves. Imagine if he becomes good in the nfl and his contract is up and we need to re-sign him. what is he gonna want? the biggest contract in nfl history? i can already see it now, by the way he’s acting now.

by 49ersAllTheWay on Aug 21, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he becomes good

He will be paid accordingly.
The 49ers don’t low-ball their players

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 21, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 49ers don’t low-ball their players

Ok……

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you disagreeing?

Does that mean that you can name one or more players who have been offered unfair deals?

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll say this, Crabtree will end up signing for less than he’s worth.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to who?

Crabtree?

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree

Whether he likes it or not, he’s worth what the slot says he’s worth. The 49ers have shown (Staley, Gore) that they’ll step up and pay their players when they prove themselves. Until then Crabtree gets what the system says he gets.

by Fooch on Aug 22, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great!

Then the 49ers should sign him for a 1 year deal, low on the guaranteed pay and high on incentives. When he ‘proves’ himself, they can sign a longer term deal next year. If he’s not so great, they can cut him.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think Crabtree deserves a deal that’s so different from what every other player drafted in the last 15 years has gotten?

Is he good? Sure. So are the guys ahead and behind him. So were the guys in the draft classes before him. He is not special.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, tell me how you really feel.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My rookie year of course I was drafted in the second round and thought that I should’ve been in the first round.

Mike Singletary

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

How does the fact that Singletary held out for his rookie season support your argument that Crabtree should be the first exception to the slotting system in over a decade?

Crabtree was the second receiver taken in the draft, and he was taken with the 10th pick. He should make less than the first WR taken in the draft and he should make something in tune with what the #10 pick is slotted to make. That’s the way that it works, and it doesn’t matter if he thinks he’s better than that. Can you imagine what free agency would be like if players in pro sports settled for no less than what they thought they were worth, instead of accepting what the market and the history of the league determines what they’re worth? No one would ever sign a contract.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

…the first exception to the slotting system in over a decade

I thought that was DHB. Didn’t he make a substantial amount more than last years’ 7th pick? Then maybe it doesn’t have to work the way the NFL says it has to work.

And what about Mike Singletary:

I’m a guy of principle. I was prepared to sit out for the whole duration.

You don’t think Crabtree should be a ‘guy of principle’? You think he should take whatever he’s been offered and just keep his mouth shut? Well, it doesn’t work that way. Sometimes people have to stand up for what they believe in. Singletary was willing to do it, why shouldn’t Crabtree?

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike gave up after a week

What a real stand up act you conveying too. Eh, $27 million no . . . I’m worth $40 million

by bignerd on Aug 22, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure there are die-hard 49er fans that thought Joe Montana was overpaid…

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

And you can’t prove that statement.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 22, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please,

I’m sure I could find 49er fans that think football players getting paid millions of dollars is too much money.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do it then

Ask a true 49er fan (that actually saw Montana play) if he was overpaid.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 22, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not stomping on Crabs' feet.

Nor am I telling him what he can or cannot do. If he wants to sit out for the whole duration, and commit career suicide in the process, then that’s his choice. I’ll wish him the best and move on. I’m not being anti-Crabtree when I say that he’s making a mistake by not signing. I just think that what he’s being offered is fair (and by many accounts, significantly more than that) and his choice to decline the offer and continue to hold out forces observers to call into question his motives – and though that his quality of character. You may call him a “guy of principle” but many will call him a selfish and arrogant prima donna – and both sides would have every right to feel that way.

In another light, would it not be fair to assume that the 49ers are also being “men of principle” by not offering Crabtree more than what they think he’s worth, just for the sake of appeasing his interests?

Look, if Michael really does hold out for the entire season and re-enter the draft in 2011 (which I think is unlikely), I certainly won’t hold it against him. I’ll hold no grudge and wish him the best with his next team. I’ll even feel sorry for him for destroying his image and robbing himself of several millions of dollars.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

10forTech just doesn’t understand how the NFL draft works.

Players get paid based on where they are drafted, it’s not based on how good a player thinks he is.

The only players that get paid more than the players drafted before them are QBs.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 22, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10forTech just doesn’t understand how the NFL draft works.

And neither does Crabtree and his agents apparently. But now that you’ve explained it to them, I bet they get all signed up tomorrow.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some people just don't listen though

Crabtree can do whatever the hell he wants….he’s not going to get more money than DHB.
MAYBE (huge maybe) he’ll get a million or two more than B.J. Raji, just because WRs are more valuable than D-linemen.

And if he doesn’t sign this year, we can still pick him up in the 2nd or even 3rd round next year.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 22, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incorrect

If he Crabtree re-entered the draft, we’re not allowed to select him.

by Fooch on Aug 22, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Link?

BTW: has that ever happened before?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CBA

I just found it in the CBA (downloadable here). It was Article XVI, Section 4, Subsection b, sub sub section ii:

(ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft.

by Fooch on Aug 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bo Jackson

Tampa picked him. He never signed, played baseball and was than picked up by the Raiders the following year.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t really believe that the 49er organization thinks DHB is a better draft pick than Crabtree? And if they think he’s better than DHB, wouldn’t he be worth more than DHB? In that case, paying him more than DHB wouldn’t be about ‘appeasing his interests’, it would be about paying him what he was worth.

We both know Crabtree won’t hold out for the duration. And we both know he’s better than DHB. I think he deserves DHB money and so do his agents. Is he going to get it? I doubt it. So, at this point what difference does it make whether he signs now or waits until the regular season starts? In my estimation, none. As a matter of fact, he might be doing himself a favor by not risking injury in training camp and pre-season.

Personally, I wish he wasn’t in this situation. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he didn’t go to the Silver and Black where his talent would have been wasted. (What a circus of an organization!) I just miss watching him play. He really is a gifted athlete, as you will soon find out for yourselves.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rookies aren't payed based on their "perceived" talent

They’re paid based on where they were picked.

By your logic, Brian Orakpo should get paid more than Aaron Maybin because he has proven more, had a better combine, and the “experts” projected him to go higher.

From what I have seen in the pre-season Brian Orakpo is tearing it up….(IMO he’s way better than Maybing).
So, should he have gotten paid more than Maybin?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 22, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with saying Crabtree deserves DHB money ...

… is that DHB doesn’t deserve DHB money, by the same logic.

I mean, look, if Al Davis is sane, then, yes, Crabs goes #7, DHB goes late in the first round, and “Crabs deserves more than DHB” makes lots and lots of sense.

But you can’t say “Crabs deserves DHB money” when DHB doesn’t deserve DHB money.

Either DHB deserves that money, because of where he was drafted (in that case Crabtree doesn’t deserve it) or he doesn’t deserve it, in which case it’s not a relevant point of comparison for Crabs.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 22, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What's he worth??

He was hurt when we drafted him, can he take an NFL “practice hit?” who knows? How fast is he? The Raiders and all of the NFL knows how fast DHB is what about Crabs? I’ll tell you who doesn’t, the team that is suppose to pay him. I understand you’re a Crabtree fan and at some point you need to remove your head from that tight spot to it’s original setting. Crabtree is being a douche bag for expecting outside of the norm because of someone else’s draft slot and his college numbers.

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by rlott#42 on Aug 31, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree the lone selfish

Player to not sign a contract.

The Bengals’ latest offer first-rounder Andre Smith included a base salary $4.5 million less than last year’s No. 6 overall Vernon Gholston received. For added emphasis, No. 7 overall pick Darrius Heyward-Bey received $10.25M more than the Bengals are offering the No. 6 pick. This is simply business as usual for the out-of-touch Bengals, who are genuinely shocked that the young man won’t sign for whatever pile of money of they’re offering.

At least Andre Smith has a reason for not signing. As for Crabtree is just being a primma donna.

by supraman on Aug 22, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Link?

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all over the internet

and in his 4th season, VD broke through the wall, Niners fan rejoiced and all was well in the kingdom. Singletary 3:42

by 49erLou on Aug 22, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andre Smith

As 49erLou said, it’s all over the Internet. But our Bengals blog has some thoughts on it.

by Fooch on Aug 22, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fooch

I read your front page article.

All I’m asking is that if you read it somewhere and you think it’s important enough to quote, provide a link. It makes your argument more credible.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Aug 22, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks!

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 22, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

quotes

I do agree you should include a link if you use a block quote like that.

by Fooch on Aug 22, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look,

I’ve put myself in the unenviable position of defending Crabtree because I believe in him. If I were him I would have already signed. But I’m not him so all I can do is try to understand why he’s taken the position he’s taken and explain it to you all the best way I can. Believe me when I say that I wish he’d sign the BLANKING contract and play some ball. But until he does, I’m here to stand by him and defend him. If you want to hate on me and trash talk me, go ahead. It won’t change the way I feel about Crabs…

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

=)
It won’t change the way I feel about Crabs…

I hope you realize majority including myself think that Crabtree’s going to be a successful NFL WR. We’re just fed up with this whole dilemma that goes along with the situation. I think you materialized on this board when Crabtree was selected, you saw the glee and utter joy for the 2 time Biletnikoff Award winner. When Crabtree is on the field, no matter for what insane price he’s signed for, he’ll be cheered.

by supraman on Aug 23, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 30, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eff him

until he signs, eff crabtree……….9ers will be a success regardless

"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai

by redrum21225 on Aug 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody wanted Crabtree as much as the media (and Crabtree) thought.

Pre-draft the scuttlebutt was that Chiefs new GM Scott Pioli was trying like hell to trade down from #3 and looking for a team interested in Crabtree to do it. NOBODY was interested even in a time when Larry Fitzgerald is godlike in the minds of many.

I believe many teams saw too much risk with Crabtree and apparently for more reasons than just his foot.

How long will it be before GM’s realizes drafting anything other than an O or D linemen in the top of the first round is an expensive and frequently fruitless proposition?

I hope the 9ers hold their ground with Crabtree, they have enough of a running game and a strong enough defense to be a surprise playoff team without further mortgaging their future on this diva.

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by SoCalChief on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you know, I’d say it’s probably not an unreasonable prediction to say that #6 pick Andre Smith could end up signing for a little less than #7 pick Heyward-Bey signed for.

and if THAT happens …

Our situation/bargaining with Crabtree’s agent would suddenly look a whole lot better.

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Aug 24, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully.

The Raiders really screwed things up this year.

BTW: Isn’t it funny that Louis Murphy might end up being a better player than DHB?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 24, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, that is funny

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Aug 27, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moron!!

Let this moron go back in the draft and he will go late in the first round or early second and he can then try to get top five money from there..He must be one of the stupidest players ever to come out of the draft..Do the 49ers want a guy who only cares about himself?? Do they want a player who obviously is dumb?? Let this moron sit out the year..

by The Sear on Aug 26, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree is clutch?? Clutch what, His own ego!!

Your out on the ledge by yourself..This guy was a good college receiver, but he isn’t fast, he isn’t big, he played in an offense that gave him huge numbers..He would be lucky to get 10th pick money..When guys overrate themselves, I don’t want them on my team..The 49ers didn’t do their homework on an overrated prima donna with questionable speed, who is totally selfish and puts himself above everything else..As bad as the 49ers are, they don’t need this headache..

by The Sear on Aug 26, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The definition of clutch has this picture

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 30, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been over that catch

Texas called the right defense on the play is a perfect example of awful coverage. They doubled teamed him, one high and one low expecting the sideline pass. The low guy was in perfect position to bat the ball down and missed. The guy playing high was suppose to be safety valve and he jumped in front of the ball allowing Crabtree to walk in the end zone. To Crabtree’s credit he ran a good route and made the catch but mildly competent defender would have blocked that pass given his coaches put him in perfect position.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

texas tech only needed a field goal to win so even if it wasnt bad defense and the second guy was to force him out tech would have needed a chip shot to win the game because of his catch. Thats still a clutch play.

by gbears16 on Aug 31, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, it was the underneath’s guy job to knockdown the pass on an out pattern, he failed miserably despite the perfect defensive play call. Regardless of the pending field attempt the over the top guy also failed his assignment of preventing the deciding touchdown if the ball was caught. For an epic, clutch catch see the 2008 SB. For horrendous pass defense see this clip.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever...

Everyone that say that play knows it was a clutch catch.

Here it is again for everyone to see for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmlVLUBvbw

It looks to me like the defensive back was right there on top of him.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at that play again

If that was a half decent NFL safety covering over the top, Crabtree would have been leveled, probably tossed out of bounds before getting both feet down, and possibly not even come down with the ball. Don’t get me wrong, it was a good catch and it won them the game and all, but any run of the mill 3rd or 4th WR in the NFL should make that catch, and with the corner missing him completely and the safety just giving up, anyone would have easily walked in. There was very little greatness to that play. It was horrible defense, on your average sideline pass.

Look below (49erLou’s and Fooch’s posts) for clutch catches.

by Sebaz49 on Sep 1, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually you could define Bad Defense, as well

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by rlott#42 on Aug 31, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t know he made “the catch” with 1 second left on the clock against the #1 team in the country and a non-drafted quarterback throwing him the ball.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just stop

Dwight Clark made “The Catch” (and please capitalize it) in the NFC championship game. Michael Crabtree made a great play in a great game and the team ended up in the Cotton Bowl. Dwight Clark made “The Catch” in a game that put them in the Super Bowl and basically was the beginning of the 49ers dynasty. I’m sorry, you just can’t make that comparison.

And this is coming from a guy who rooted for Texas Tech last year (just as an outside fan, not a diehard like you).

by Fooch on Sep 1, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

But why downplay the significance of Crabtree’s catch? It was a great play. Everyone All but a few 49er fans, some bitter Raider fans and some scattered longhorns agree with that.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not downplaying

It was a great play in a great game. I just think you were underestimating the importance of The Catch. And at this particular site, arguing that Crabtree’s catch was more clutch than Clark’s catch is not exactly going to be a winning argument.

by Fooch on Sep 1, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose you’d like me to change my Signature from:

Crabtree is clutch

to:

Crabtree isn’t all that good. Any junior high bench rider could have made that catch. He just got lucky against a bad defensive. Now, The Catch, although it has nothing to do with my avatar, is really, really, REALLY clutch.

And when somebody picks a fight about my avatar, would you force me to defend it against all comers (including the site editor) as well?

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lolz wut?

It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.

by 49erLou on Sep 1, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

49ers site

I’m just saying, it’s a 49ers site so don’t be surprised when somebody points out possibly the greatest play in franchise history. I’d expect the same thing if I went to a Red Raiders site.

And I never said Michael Crabtree wasn’t clutch nor did I say he wasn’t that good. Just recognize the context of where you’re discussing this.

by Fooch on Sep 1, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How's this?

Crabtree isn’t all that good. Any junior high bench rider could have made that catch. He just got lucky against a bad defensive. Now, The Catch, although it has nothing to do with my avatar, is really, really, REALLY clutch.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What point?

Someone will take issue with my avatar. I’ll spent about 7-8 posts trying to defend it, then get the site manager will pile on and tell me it’s not as good as Dwight Clark.

Crabtree isn’t all that good. Any junior high bench rider could have made that catch. He just got lucky against a bad defensive. Now, The Catch, although it has nothing to do with my avatar, is really, really, REALLY clutch.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I shouldn’t have to defend myself when someone attacks me personally. And I shouldn’t have to explain to the site manager that when someone attacks my personal profile, it can be perceived as a personal attack.

Don't ask me to change avatar or my signature. We both know that Jerry Rice was the greatest receiver ever. And we both know "The Catch" was one of the greatest catches ever. But I'm still not going to change my avatar or my signature no matter how many "lulz crabtree sux" you throw at me.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who said anything about your avatar?

you posted a picture of something you thought was clutch, i posted a picture of something i thought was clutchier. it’s really not that big of a deal. my comment wasn’t meant to take anything away from Crabtree, just pointing out that as a 49er fan, Crabtree hasn’t done anything for me yet so I have no reason to applaud his clutchiness.

Also, personal attack? Are you Crabtree himself? I never said anything negative or derogatory about you specifically so I fail to see how this can be viewed as a personal attack.

It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.

by 49erLou on Sep 2, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

signature

I think he means what The Sear said about his signature line at the beginning of this portion of the thread.

by Fooch on Sep 2, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, why are you jumping on Fooch?

He was stepping in as a middle ground to help you deal with what would be endless waves of of “lulz crabtree sux” fans.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 1, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

Don't ask me to change avatar or my signature. We both know that Jerry Rice was the greatest receiver ever. And we both know "The Catch" was one of the greatest catches ever. But I'm still not going to change my avatar or my signature no matter how many "lulz crabtree sux" you throw at me.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s probably one of the top-ten plays in the history of the NFL. Let’s not candy coat things here: 49er fan or not, the very idea that this Crabtree catch even resembles The Catch is ludicrous.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

There is no comparison. I know that, you know that.

One happened in college. One happened in the pros. One is one of the top ten plays in the history of the NFL. One is one of the top ten plays in the last 30 years of the NCAA.

Now tell that to 49erLou and Fooch. They made the comparison, not me.

Crabtree isn’t all that good. Any junior high bench rider could have made that catch. He just got lucky against a bad defensive. Now, The Catch, although it has nothing to do with my avatar, is really, really, REALLY clutch.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think there was some rather massive miscommunication all around. Fooch, and even I, thought that you were comparing the two. I think you’ve made it clear here that you never meant to do that. I think the Dwight Clark picture was posted as a rah-rah kind of thing. But it wasn’t clear, and, naturally, you tried to defend yourself. And then others got defensive, and it got somewhat confused.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, look there.

The very idea that Crabtree compares to Jerry Rice is ludicrous. You better not say anything because after all, you just can’t make that comparison. It’s Jerry Rice and he’s the greatest receiver ever to play the game. You’re just going to have to change your avatar.

Don't ask me to change avatar or my signature. We both know that Jerry Rice was the greatest receiver ever. And we both know "The Catch" was one of the greatest catches ever. But I'm still not going to change my avatar or my signature no matter how many "lulz crabtree sux" you throw at me.

by 10forTech on Sep 1, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you still crying?

Misunderstandings took place. Idiots tried to jump on you for talking up Crabtree. You took a harmless picture of Dwight Clark as a personal attack. More misunderstandings took place.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 2, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I was defending you.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 2, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never even said Crabtree sucks dude

I like Crabtree, I was thrilled with the pick, and I am ready for him to sign and get to work. I was being silly, I wasn’t trying to compare college to the pros or discredit what Crabtree did at TT, so please lighten up.

It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.

by 49erLou on Sep 2, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm downplaying it

He won what in college??? Nothing but personal awards. He doesn’t even have any loyalty to a team that drafted him hurt, wants to talk trade and wants above his slot in money. He’s a douche bag times however many days he’s held out. “I’ll just wait until nexxt year to get my money” Good luck with that F@#$## douche

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 2, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"wants to talk trade"

Where are you getting this nonsense?

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 3, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81255dd1/Around-the-League

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 3, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, sorry...

I guess you’re right, there were 51 seconds left, and it was a 3rd round QB in his first full season as starter throwing the ball. But I do believe, at the time, the Cowboys were considered the #1 team in the country.

And trust me, it’s nothing personal. No one above was getting personal. We’re just talking football. You, a TT fan, raise Crabtree and his plays higher than they should be. Us, Niner fans, raise great plays from our past higher than they should be. That’s the way it goes. It’s our team, so their great plays are greater than your teams. That’s being a fan.

And another thing to remember, you love Crabtree for what he’s done for TT. You think he’s going to be a great WR and deserves all the praise he gets. Most of us look at it as, prove it. And we’re getting frustrated that he’s being such a moron at this point and not out here proving that he was worth the 10th pick. So I’d just wait a little while. Once he signs, there should be a lot more MC lovin… (LOL McLovin… for anyone who’s seen Super Bad)… around here, and we’ll hopefully rejoice together about his NFL success.

by Sebaz49 on Sep 2, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And trust me, it’s nothing personal.

Wrong. Re-read the responses to my posts on this blog and try to explain the vitriol and hate, if you can. The truth is, even the site editor would prefer to see me just go away rather than continue to contradict him and other 49er fans with the facts and a different opinion.

The funny thing is I’ve really tried to become a 49er fan. I’ve watched some of the pre-season games even when they weren’t shown locally and commented on the 49er’s open thread. I’ve tried to get involved on this site. I’ve checked out the ‘golden nuggets’ and read the links. If Crabtree had already signed, I wouldn’t have a need to defend him, and I’m sure we’d all get along. But because of my avatar and my loyalty to Crabtree, I get personally attacked and degraded for my stand. The same stand you take when your Oakland Raider co-worker or neighbor gives you crap about your 49ers.

No, it’s personal.

Dwight, Jerry: Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Sep 7, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A. Smith signing.

I don’t think this even matters.

It doesn’t change Crabtree’s reasoning.

I wonder how he’s going to get through the year without any income?
I’m sure he probably went out and spent a load of money on random stuff before the draft…how is he going to pay for it?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 30, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

…how is he going to pay for it?

Dude, that’s exactly why he IS going to sign.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope you're right.

You seem to be the only one with unwavering confidence in Crabtree.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 30, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been following him since he got out of high school. He’s the real deal.

But you don’t have to take my word on it. You’ll find out soon enough.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 30, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me tell you a little story

Wes Welker was visiting Lubbock in 2007 during spring practices after his first year of playing with the Dolphins (that was the spring he was traded to the Patriots). He was watching practice with Coach Mike Leach and asked coach who that new kid was on the practice squad giving the starting defense fits.

"Oh, that’s Crabtree. That quarterback from Carter high school." said Coach Leach.

"He could start for the Dolphins right now." said Welker.

Crabtree was an 18 year old kid, and Pro Bowler Wes Welker thought he was good enough to start for the Dolphins.

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's wonderful

Too bad he can’t start for the 49ers because he hasn’t signed….

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I recall hearing a similar story about D.J. Williams (LB, Broncos) where John Madden anointed him an NFL player. He hasn’t lit the NFL on fire.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

High School running back turned linebacker?

I think he’s done OK.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 31, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he's done ok

Trying to point out the little anecdote above doesn’t make Crabtree the NFL’s next super star.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Is it just me or does anyone else notice that no matter what I say, bignerd has to refute it?

Crabtree is clutch

by 10forTech on Aug 31, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider it a reassurance that you're on the right track as far as viewpoints go.

=)

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 1, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay and this does what for the niners NOW?

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Aug 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

omg wes said that?

did he say anything else? Did he say anything about me? Do you think he likes me?

It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.

by 49erLou on Sep 1, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

loans

I don’t know if this is common practice, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was able to get loans on the collateral of a potential NFL contract.

by Fooch on Aug 31, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC

Reggie Bush did that before he was drafted (or maybe even before his last collegiate year was over?). If I remember correctly, the NCAA did an investigation and everything into it.

by sfgfan on Aug 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

holdout

That’s true. But once he was drafted I’d imagine things loosen up. Also I was also thinking more after he and Parker decided on their present course of action, a guy like Parker would keep him afloat until the deal was done. Of course, given the angst within their camp, who knows how that’s playing out.

by Fooch on Aug 31, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can keep him afloat till April?

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 31, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

It doesn’t change his reasoning, but it does matter. It seriously changes his leverage in the negotiations. When the number 6 pick was willing to sign for less guaranteed money than Heyward-Bay, it seriously weakens Crabtree’s position of wanting to be paid more at the 10th pick.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 31, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't seem to care about his leverage

At this point it seems like he’s just a kid screaming “I want it! I want it!”

His position was weakened when B.J. Raji and Aaron Maybin signed.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 31, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Have A Feeling

That something is real close between the two sides. I don’t have any inside information just call it a gut instinct!! Also York seemed really upbeat about him signing the other day!!

by nocal81 on Aug 31, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too

OR he’s a really good actor

by dalien82 on Aug 31, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fooch reigniting the fire

It doesn’t help that Brian Billick is on NFL Network talking up Michael Oher as the best lineman to enter the NFL in years.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

To be fair I think I said this over a dozen times all over the internet but people called me an idiot.

by chikmagnet_565 on Aug 31, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been on the Oher bandwagon too

Every time I mentioned Oher I had at least 3 reply’s telling me to shut it, he is awful or what is the value of RT. Needless to say I was one of the few not thrilled with drafting a slot receiver at #10.

by bignerd on Aug 31, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how much your opinion is validated...

by having Brian Billick agree with you.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 1, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turn the page on anyone else the Niners SHOULD have drafted........

Crabtree was the right move at the time. Hopefully all this nonsense will be erased by his performance when he FINALLY hits the field………..

Niner Madman
"The Voice of Reason"

by NinerMadman on Aug 31, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

wow

Andre smith breaks a foot in non contact drills.. maybe that shouldve been crabtree?
he’ll sign by Friday!! guaranteed!!!

by nacho49 on Sep 1, 2009 6:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

It’s now time for NFLShop.com to add Nate Davis to the jersey list.

by bignerd on Sep 1, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

^ LOL, wrong thread

Stupid Firefox and it’s tabs! (or stupid me).

by bignerd on Sep 1, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree On ESPN 2

tonight was quoted as saying “If The 49ers don’t draft me then i am lost” during the draft. At first glance one’ would think that is because he wanted to be a 49er but 4 months last it seems because then he couldn’t ask for 30 million guaranteed. Now i am truly lost regarding that quote. Someone want to chime in?

by nocal81 on Sep 2, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw the same show last night

and I really respect all the players saying how they had to be there and work hard to win a spot on the Roster. Roster !, Not Starting. Then I saw Crabtree and started laughing. Crabtree was right about one thing. He knows how the Fans and Players feel about him !
  You know what, I’m still laughing at Crabtree !!!

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 2, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

My Buddies and I welcome Crabtree to Las Vegas for Poker. Just be sure you bring all your MONEY !!!

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably

Doesnt have any money

Quote of the year "I want to wear a Dwight Clark jersey to the new cowboy stadium."

by Tony C on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

cha'-ching!

I currently make mo’ money than crabs!!
I work at IKEA

by nacho49 on Sep 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree

Anybody see him driving the new BMW last night on the Welcome to the NFL show? If not his then loaner?

by Fooch on Sep 2, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it is his

So he will have more debt when he signs his 2nd round contract with the Oakland Raiders next season.

FOOL

by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 2, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly...

… the rookie minimum would allow for him to pay off that loan in three or four weeks time.

by sfgfan on Sep 3, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

niners trade his rights

give denver a call and make a trade for brandon marshall

by giants09 on Sep 2, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

can't trade his rights

Deadline to trade Crabtree’s rights passed a couple weeks ago.

by Fooch on Sep 2, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He asked to be traded, can you believe this worm?

What a beaver taint

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 2, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Link...

… or it didn’t happen.

by sfgfan on Sep 3, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81255dd1/Around-the-League

1:40 is where you want to start, they said there were rumblings and he asked about it, but now knows it’s too late!!

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's...

… Jason La Canfora?

Besides, when did rumblings become certified truth enough to be upset about it? For all anyone knows, this guy could be talking out of his ass or he heard it from someone talking out of their ass.

by sfgfan on Sep 3, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am aware he CAN'T be traded

And if you listen to the vid it states that as well. He doesn’t need to ask to be traded for me to be pissed we drafted his (site decorum)!!

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 3, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't be traded

So if Crabtree is asking to be traded now he’s less in touch with reality than I thought.

For better or worse he’s going to be a Niner this year or he’ll be poorer and someone else’s problem next year.

By the way, I suspect Eugene Parker is not happy the way this is shaking out. No one will want him as an agent if he can’t get the deal done and teams won’t want to negotiate with him because he can’t get the deal done. Besides being a lose-lose for the Niners and Crabtree’s estate, it’s also a lose for Parker.

I think this is beyond greed. Greedheads know when to cut their losses. I think we need someone to figure out what psychological problem this guy’s got that he’s steering himself into self-destruction.

by Bob On The Coast on Sep 3, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Didn't Ask To Be Traded!

I know this as an almost certainty.

  1. Why ask for something that cannot be done under the CBA?
  1. People are forgetting that this has nothing to do with him not wanting to play with the 49ers, rather it’s a business decision, granted a bad one.
  1. Right before he was draft he was quoted as saying “I am lost if the niners don’t pick me”
  1. Russell didn’t sign until 8 days before opening day in 2007.
  1. “Rumblings” Are you serious? I wonder if it came from the same BS source that said he was prepared to sit out the entire season
  1. The 49ers have all the leverage right now so expect him to sign within the next week or so.
  1. The CBA is pretty clear on the rules when it comes to unsigned rookies and under those rules Crabtree really has no ground to stand on

by nocal81 on Sep 3, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Please use the reply button

It makes it too hard to follow when you don’t reply to the individual(s) you’re responding to.

by Fooch on Sep 3, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously you didn't listen to the video link

It does say that he can’t be traded

AKA.............Optimist Prime

"Me, I want what's coming to me" And what's that? "The world Chico, and everything in it"

by rlott#42 on Sep 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81263600/Where-s-Crabtree

Well it’s pretty much official (not really, but still) Michael Crabtree is never going to play for the 49ers.

Oh well, at this point I just don’t care anymore.

I will say this:
Deion Sanders is WRONG, the 49ers do NOT need Crabtree…..they can trade him in March to one of those two teams that are supposedly WILLING to pay the kid.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 4, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I would ask for nothing less than a dam number 1 pick!

Trade him in March. If there really is 2 teams wanting him that bad then they’d have to give up a number 1 otherwise they will make a gamble on him being taken in the draft by another team. I thing this whole thing is absolutely rediculous on all counts.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Sep 4, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather trade him for a proven WR

But a pick can be good too, there are plenty of good WRs coming out next year.

I feel sorry for Crabtree, he actually thinks the 49ers are going to cave.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 4, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take a 2nd rounder

that way at least we get something for him

by gbears16 on Sep 8, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 8, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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